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What, seeing the mess I had with a deleted Yahoo account wasn't bad enough?
We're developing tools to ensure that events like this are easier to resolve.
I wonder if we'll get junk Yapoo emails in our Flickr mail now !!!
Nope.
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This is hilarious. You've all been using a Yahoo service since the buyout. If it mattered that much you would have left ages ago.
Old Skool used to be a badge of pride - this is pretty embarrassing.
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Kabren : that's true - one of the key values for many of us, is the community stuff in flickr. But it's actually not that hard to replicate, once you have it hooked up. The hardest part is hosting all the files on loads of servers - but I suppose there are plenty of ppl who know how to do that.
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my account (luckily) expires tomorrow :)
HOORAY!
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Alternatives ? Just stay here - it will blow over... Remember, Flickr is nothing more than a web application with a lot of fun and friendship behind. What could possibly happen?
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I am not pleased. I don't trust Yahoo, and I deleted my account a few months ago for that reason. Now if I want to continue using Flickr, I need to go back and recreate it? Not cool guys.
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You knew Flickr was owned by Yahoo though, right?
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Heather wrote: But seriously, everyone on the flickr staff cares an insane amount about the site and the community, which is why we try to be as active as possible on the forums, even at midnight. There is no difference between the members of the original Ludicorp team and relative newcomers like myself in this regard. We care about flickr, and we will always strive to keep it "flickr".
Heather, in that case, can I ask you about this scenario:
1) I am able to make changes to photos, descriptions in Flickr while at work because I am currently perm-logged in thanks to a cookie. However, if I log out for whatever reason, if I log back in ... well, that will never happen because:
-- my company routinely blocks access to any site with https. It's for security reasons, as the monitoring of data contained in such sites is difficult if not impossible
This happens with so many services - I can't use any web based reader at work because the login goes through https and then *back* to http
* Amazon at least allows you to log in via http server so you can add to wishlist, add to shopping cart etc *
2) Many, many, many companies also block access to well known webmail clients, and this often extends to other services, hence Yahoo! Mail, Google Mail, Hotmail are *all* blocked. If the sign-on has to go through Yahoo! rather than via on the Flickr.com domain, then that'll shut out a lot of people.
So, Heather, Stewart, Caterina, can I please ask you to consider:
* Providing an alternative log-in route via standard server, not https
* Not force a log-in via Yahoo.com address, but via a flickr.com domain
(the second point may be what's happening already - I daren't log out to find out how I have to log in again!)
Thanks
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OK, so here are the first results of my quick test of Flickr alternatives:
- fotki.com: Very reduced functionality, no groups, no-go
- photobucket.com: see above
- 23hq.com: Very nice interface, similar to Flickr, although much less photos online at this point
- zooomr.com: Works via a different (but as far as I can tell, and as far the Slashdot community judged) non-evil centralized login system: OpenID. Impressive functinality. Extensive use of geotagging. Neartly as slow as Flickr itself. No groups yet, but work on that is in progress.
I guess Zooomr and 23hq are the ones I'll keep testing. Especially Zooomr is just beautiful because it's maintained by a guy who actually CARES. No helpless admins who can't do anything because the real decisions are made elsewhere.
Anyway, I'll keep my Flickr account up - not making the switch - and see what Yahoo/Flickr is going to do about it. They are bound by a contract to keep offering me the service I pay for, so let's see what happens.
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I do not like the way Yahoo impose in this manner. I am an old skool member (which I was in a way quite proud of) but when it becomes mandatory to sign up to Yahoo, I will have to delete all my pics and close my account down and join with one of the other similar services on the net. A shame really, I really liked Flickr (more so before it was disgraced by Yahoo).
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Because of this move I probably won't re-up my Pro account. I've been with you guys since GNE days and the Move to Yahoo wasn't exactly a fav. I try not to signup for Yahoo Microsoft "passport" type accounts and this is just one more move that has me saying "enough is enough".
Thanks,
Mike Kelley
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That really sucks! I'm not happy with your decision to force people to get a Yahoo ID.
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M. Kelley: thats exactly what I think!
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Think a lot knew yahoo had bought Flickr.
The Forced merge seems to be a major thing with a lot of ol skool members.
I myself would not like having to use my yahoo password .
In ol skool I use a compleatly different password then my yahoo account password.
Plus I really don't like being forced to merge.
Thats why I will be saying good by to Flickr ,
Loved your site guys and gals.
But every great thing , dose come to an end. Just wish it wasn't you Flickr.
Though I do use yahoo, Its only because my family use it and they live far and we comunicate on messanger. If it were up to me I wouldn't even have yahoo. Spam is unbeleavable !!!
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Thanks everyone! You have cheered me up. I came to this page feeling really narked at having to merge, I'd even dashed off a narked email to the flickr comment form. But having read most of this topic I have gone through the narked-ness and come out the other side thinking who cares!
I was forced to set up a yahoo account some time ago to sign up to various groups and mailing lists (including www.b3ta.com's, who are a rather anarchic anti mega conglomerate anti censorship bunch and they don't seem to moan).
I share your dislike of yahoo but, to reassure you:
-I've never had any spam associated with my yahoo account.
-I don't have to visit their ugly, glitchy web pages or be exposed to all their adverts, endless log in pages and insanity
- I don't think I even have a yahoo mail, I've certainly never used it. Everything, the yahoo hosted mailing lists, rare contacts from yahoo, comes to my gmail
-I don't have any yahoo in my life at all really. It suits me just fine and I'd like it to continue
-And my account doesn't seem to have evaporated through misuse.
I know others have had bad experiences, and these will always be the ones discussed, but, for the vast majority of you, it's likely to be pretty painfree.
So long as the only yahoo involvement this flickr merge causes me is the one initial merge effort (and I say this with some caution as I really hope this will be the case as they say) then I figure life will carry on much as it is now.
Come on - think how much worse it could be!
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can i use some yahoo services (e.g. Instant Messenger) with a yahoo-ID while at the same time i am logged on flickr using another yahoo-ID?
in other words, can i use different yahoo services with different yahoo-ID's at the same time, from the same computer?
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anyone know the amount of people who pledged to delete their accounts back in 2005, when yahoo took over flickr, actually deleted their accounts?
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I have two old skool pro accounts (joined in Aug 2004, although some of my earliest photos are gone). Like so many, I put off merging my accounts for a variety of reasons.
Last night I created a new Yahoo ID. I also created a matching Google ID (same username), and made that the primary email for one of the accounts (it's super easy to create a new Google ID, and set up the account to forward all mail somewhere else). Then I merged my two accounts with two Yahoo IDs -- one of which I've owned since at least 1995.
And voila! Worked like a charm. I had one hiccup, which I figured out and corrected. As has been pointed out more than once in this thread, if you set your cookie to keep you logged into Flickr, then you are logged into Flickr forever. It isn't like Yahoo Mail or other properties, which keep prompting for your password.
So yes, I'm going to have to remember the new Yahoo ID for one of my accounts. I use Dashboard for OS X, so I just created a Sticky on my Dashboard with the info -- that way I only have to click F12 for a reminder if it slips my mind.
I'm honestly surprised to see this much heat about this announcement. Surely everyone has been aware that Flickr has been owned by Yahoo, and the switch to Yahoo IDs has been looming since 2005, yes? It can't be *that* much of a shock.
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loupiote (Old Skool): yes. i gave up my old skool flickr id back in august 2005 (ish) and ive been using yahoo im with absolutely no problems since then. im on flickr almost 24/7 and ive yahoo im logged in with no issues. on windows and macs.
(edit: loupiote: misread your original comment - sorry!)
erm, i would imagine there would be no problems :)
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I just want to put on record how utterly crap I think this forced merge is. I don't care at all that I'm loosing some kind of old-skool-cool - I'm the only person who knew how I logged in so how is that cool anyway?
What really pisses me off is Yahoo's God-awful ID setup. It took me over an hour this morning to set up an ID, mostly because every name I tried was taken - including random letters I got by hitting the keyboard in frustration. So now I'm stuck with a username I didn't want, can't change, don't like, and won't remember.
Lame.
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but your flickr id remains the same! i know the yahoo one can be pretty crappo. but like you were the only one who knew about the "cool"ness ofyour old skool id, same you will be the only one who knows about the uncoolness of your yahoo id. flickr remains the same :)
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> erm, i would imagine there would be no problems :)
yes, but i want to make sure that there would be no conflict. so i'd like a confirmation by some flickr STAFF that i will not have problem doing that.
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well, not a big user so this does not impact me that much, i save all my usernames and passwords in firefox anyway ... as for flickr mail or yahoo mail, no one forces me to use those. I have numerous mail accounts with google, hotmail, yahoo and whomever else but I use none, they just accumulate junk which eventually gets deleted by the provider, doesn't bother me much.
As for what made flickr, it's the community (still there), the pictures (still there and growing) ... where's the problem?
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joelly : its funny you mention b3ta - that site was also set up by Cal and friends, who had a huge hand in building flickr (username: 'bees')
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Also - another 2pence says that Yahoo! Photos sucks.
When will we get the message saying we all have to move over to that?
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This is a huge bummer... I really really dislike Yahoo. IF I wouldnt have just renewed my flickr for another year I would have probably dropped flickr knowing they were going to make us use Yahoo...
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wow 1541 - my little script just told me you have 9481 photos! coo! that's ALOT!
Later today, rather than do the whole thing, I will post this script to my blog for others to build on, to do what they need.
open-sourceness mmmm ;)
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@Impactmedia - I'm in the same place right now. Nice to know I'm not the only person who's too mean to delete his account.
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i've heard of www.deviantart.com/
i was thinking of - maybe - migrating there someday, if i need to. but they don't have tags :( deviantART do have tags. They're just not shown on the page, but you can enter a list of searchable keywords when you upload or edit a picture.
What they don't have: Search within a user's gallery (only global search), sets, groups (but they have fixed gallery categories, and fixed discussion forums), any way to order your photos other than by upload date, intermediate image sizes (only thumbnails, a tiny 300px preview, and the potentially huge original size), private/friends/family access (but an "adult" setting), HTML in comments :-), NIPSA (but they have various penalties like two week or permanent bans), and they don't have a map. They officially allow and encourage uploading "non-photos", but in turn deprecate snapshots of your birthday party or your pet cat.
You can read in my journal why I left deviantART and moved over to flickr, but maybe I'll consider moving back after March 15. I'm just not sure yet which of the two will be the lesser evil.
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Enough is enough... good bye yahickr!
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kosso: :) lots indeed. ive spent the last 2,5 years getting all my friends on here -and making lots more on here. not leaving any time soon :) looking forward to reading about the script though.
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I'm just commenting it now, and will try to add some pagination, as the API will only let you list 500 at a time ;)
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Hey flickr : merge this! kosso.wordpress.com/files/2007/01/mergethis.gif
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Way to blow it, Flickr. I merged, so there probably isn't anything I can do about it now, but due to the fact that I more or less had no other choice, and that the whole signup process was INCREDIBLY frustrating (my Flickr username was already taken by someone on yahoo so I had to get a new one), I won't be renewing my pro account when it comes time to buy another year. I'm also searching for a new website with features like Flickr.
Sorry; I like this website a lot, but I have absolutely no desire for any of the features that yahoo has, and now in order to continue using the website until my pro account expires, I have to take on another e-mail account that I'll never use. If you're going to treat your oldest members and customers this way, I'll take my business elsewhere, probably Zoomr.
Real drag.
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I'm amazed this hasn't hit techmeme.com yet.
Surely a matter of time - it will be interesting to read what the rest of the blogosphere has to say about this.
And for all those who say 'hey, Yahoo bought flickr ages ago - you knew this would happen) I say yes, but if it wasn't for users who cared, it might have happened a long time ago.
And not only are we simple 'users' - many of us our actual fully-paid-up CUSTOMERS, who paid money. And now we are being sent to the quagmire of Yahoo! identities, in a free system.
Sure, Yahoo! have reported poor financials recently, but to screw off ACTUAL CUSTOMERS is just very, very poor indeed. Especially customers with such a strong community.
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I [used to] like Flickr. Too bad they went from being a small, cutting-edge, caring, Canadian start-up to part of a huge, faceless, we-don't-give-a-damn-about-your-opinions-just-ours, corporate conglomerate.
I don't like Yahoo! I'm not interested in Yahoo, Yahoo Mail, Yahoo Messenger, Yahoo Photos or any other non-Flickr services Yahoo might offer.
Yahoo! can kiss my aperture.
If I don't switch over, can I get a pro-rated refund on the 1.5 years of my pro subscription still remaining?
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Guys would it really have killed ya to build new user tables that could handle both skools of login data? Or a single sign on system that queried the different tables - via a single authentication API?
It's what the rest of us in the real world have to do when these sorts of problems arise and we don't then piss our customers off. Because happy customers are, like, you know, um, important...
Despite your protestations it smacks of demographic data grabbing when Yahoo "needs" so much irrelevant detail at sign up
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You're bringing up a very interesting point here, kosso. Yahoo is what I'd call a "bubble 2.0 company", always waiting for the moment when the companies that get the Internet right (Google) or the ones that have the money (Microsoft) finallly get the upper hand and Yahoo crumbles. Honestly, there isn't a single Yahoo service besides Flickr that stands out in terms of quality.
I sincerely think that if the hard core of users, most of which probably still have their old login, switch to a different site, then many other users will follow. Flickr will live on as a photo sharing site for family pictures and snapshots, and as an added advantage, that other site will be less crammed with those.
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Kosso - good point - I mean, they already get money from my pro subscription, and flickr is one of their services that I already use, now they want to persuade me to use the email, calendar, search engine, etc.
This was probably the worst way to go about it - to give us an ultimatum like this. Yahoo just come across as a bully, an out-of-touch corporate, a greedy and unfriendly service. A marketing coup! - congratulations.
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I have to take on another e-mail account that I'll never use.
Um.... not so much. When you create a new Yahoo! ID, you can add an alternate email address. You don't need to create a new email address. If only George would allow me to write this in big, big type, I would.
[edit -- posting ate my html. adding "big big" to make this make sense]
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Will subscribers who do not wish to migrate get their subscription amount back (pro-rated to the cut-over date)?
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This was probably the worst way to go about it - to give us an ultimatum like this. Yahoo just come across as a bully, an out-of-touch corporate, a greedy and unfriendly service. A marketing coup! - congratulations.
I'm sorry that this seems like an ultimatum. We've been upfront about the upcoming merg-o-rama from the moment we made the switch to Y! logins back on 8/15/05. Stewart's blog posts referenced this as did our FAQs (the FAQs were updated yesterday so I can't point to the reference). We hoped that a six week lead time would give everyone an opportunity to make decision about if they wanted to merge their account.
[edit last sentence for clarity]
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Will subscribers who do not wish to migrate get their subscription amount back (pro-rated to the cut-over date)?
I'm sorry, but no. We have a firm "no refunds" policy.
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Indeed cybaea : I only just renewed my pro account last month - If I had known this was about to happen, there's no way I would have.
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Since you are forcing me to move to a new Yahoo! ID, can I have a new flickr url/id? Please?
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This sucks. It's not a huge deal, but it still sucks. Of course I'll change over to the Yahoo sign-in, but I'm not happy about it.
The Yahoo features are useless to me, it's a pain in the ass to change over and find a user name that hasn't already been taken, and i really have to agree with this statement - "This was probably the worst way to go about it - to give us an ultimatum like this. Yahoo just come across as a bully, an out-of-touch corporate, a greedy and unfriendly service. A marketing coup! - congratulations"
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Heather said : "We hoped that a six week lead time would give everyone an opportunity to make decision about if they wanted to merge their account."
I think you missed two words at the end of this sentence: "... or leave" ;)
Heather: also, I feel sorry for you having to deal with this if you are new (as you said) - think it's time for Stewart or Catherine (or Cal!) to step up to the plate and give us a good reason why this has to happen.
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Also : EVERYONE here who reads this who has a blog should please blog about this - the blogosphere can muster quite a bit of attention around 'bad moves' like this.
Here's my post: kosso.wordpress.com/2007/01/31/damn-youhoo-flickr/
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I want to change my flickr url as well please! If your gonna force paying customers to do something, we want something back in return.
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I feel sorry for you having to deal with this if you are new
New? While I might be the first post acquisition hire back in May 2005, I created my account January 14, 2004 (course I'm embarrased that my first uploaded photos are of my dog). I'm Old Skool and proud of it.
Stewart has very much participated earlier in this thread if you scroll back a couple hundred comments. He's overseas at the moment and is coming online as connectivity permits.
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FWIW, Heather's not "new" and speaks for Flickr just as much as I do. And as for stepping up and giving the rationale, that was done waaay back on page one.
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heather, I think, as you can tell, many people are simply disappointed - and the answer seems to be, we told you about it, this is how it is, like it or leave.
that's not how you guys use to do business, that's all.
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Um.... not so much. When you create a new Yahoo! ID, you can add an alternate email address. You don't need to create a new email address. Sorry Heather, but that's incorrect. I just tested it (again) – if you sign up through yahoo.com and select "U.S." as your location, there is no way to opt out of Yahoo Mail. You're right that you can add an alternate email address, but the @yahoo.com mailbox is created nevertheless and receives your "Welcome to Yahoo" and "Welcome to Yahoo Mail Beta" messages.
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I'm sorry, but lately Yahoo seems to me more obtrusive than even Microsoft in terms of forcing users to use their serivces even if they don't actually want to - e.g. here at Flickr, or at Opera Mobile, where they forcefully replaced the Google search button with Yahoo, and even deleted every remaining option to select Google.
I see that they want to compete with Google, but it's not very polite to do it that way. Do you really want to be remembered by users as the company that forced me into using their services, or even by barring easy access to Google services?
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Check this out from the FAQs:
I'm going to delete my Yahoo! account. What happens to my Flickr photos?
If you associated your Flickr account with your Yahoo! ID and you delete your Yahoo! account, you won't be able to sign in to your Flickr account. And all your photos will be deleted.
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You cannot be serious, any legal eagle help here?
Dont mess with the OLD SKOOL, you big b's!!
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I have to hand it to you, Heather: There was one mention of the fact that Flickr IDs would be phased out in the old FAQ (still accessible via Google Cache here).
It seems that, indeed, we shouldn't be surprised!.
But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't also switch!
I'm pretty sure that nobody at Flickr is able to do anything about this, so let's just all face it and leave. Even the Flickr staff (whom I really cannot say anything bad about) can't do anything for us. They are, unfortunately, employees of Yahoo and have to do what the top brass of that company says.
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Here's a point. I joined flickr in October 2005 - so after the buyout. The fact that Yahoo owned flicker never hit my consciousness while I was creating my flickr account. Since then, the email I got this morning was the first direct contact I have ever had from flickr regarding this forced merge of login IDs. Why the hell should I have known about it for the last 18 months? Unless I was expected to go digging through random fora posts for information that should have been given directly to me. Today is the first time I have accessed any of the fora on this site.
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Thanks for following this thread Stewart. Maybe I misinterpreted a reply from Heather earlier. Also, I somehow missed your previous replies on this thread. I blame fury/anxiety ;)
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You guys really should have finished the tool to switch which account your Flickr/Yahoo is merged with before requiring this!
I created a "test" flickr account though my yahoo to see what the differences were about a year ago. Now I CAN'T associate my real flickr account with my yahoo!
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I am so unhappy with this. Again I'll be forced to sign up to a host of shitty services and no-doubt get spammed with "marketing" mail.
I'll have to pick some random series of charaters and numbers just to get my "new shinny" id - I may be able to log in easily first time and save the session but in a few months time on a diffrent pc or if I delete my cookies I'll be left thinking now what was I called "Y!ShitName12Z1XY3" Oh yes - just rolls of the tongue!
Sooooo un-happy.
The moves gives us paying customers nothing but additional hassle and grief - I used to like Flickr for it's plain simplicity but now it's bolting on stuff that I'm just not interested in and it causes me pain.
Oh Woe!
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You may have been mentioning it on your FAQs for a while. But seeing as how I could already log in, I never went there.
You clearly have my email address, as you've emailed me today. So why didn't you email me before about this, before I renewed my subscription. Or why don't you give us a full year's grace before being forced to change.
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As ladykayla and others have pointed out... Other than yesterday's flickr mail, how exactly were those of us that don't lurk around the FAQ's and forums supposed to know about the forced merge prior to renewing/gifting more memberships?...
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Does anybody here really believe there is ever going to be a tool allowing you to switch which Yahoo account your Flickr account is associated with? I mean, seriously... Do you know how many users Yahoo has compared to Flickr?
From now on, the interests of Flickr users will always be second to the interests of a vast majority of Yaho users.
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Not very happy about this to be honest. I physically can't use Yahoo! because it gives me the feeling that I log in randomly to all their stuff, which isn't a good experience for me.
I know I may be a humble basic user, but I was on the verge of going Pro anyway as I have about 2000 pics assigned to me (but can obviously only see 200 of them).
So, all in all, very unhappy, but I guess I'll have to toe the line!
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Even the BBC are running a story on this Flickr News item
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Let's face facts. Everything Yahoo touches turns to shit. Disagree? Give me one counter example.
Flickr's done well to hold out against an irrestible force for so long.
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Tactical error on Flickr's behalf - you should have released sets of sets at the same time. That would have kept the masses happy.
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Well, the main obstacle preventing me from merging all this time was plain old inertia. I've finally just now merged, and strangely enough, my world didn't collapse around me. It really wasn't that hard...
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Hey heather Yahoo accounts expires after a while if you didn't login.
A: When a flickr user come into flickr, (loging in or using a cooky) is it considered as a login to yahoo for that matter?
B: What if I didn't login for a while (let say a year), will my pictures still be there after a year, what about my contacts, will I need to do something or just login as usual?
C: I know that paying yahoo users don't have to login to keep their account alive, will paying flickr users "enjoy" the same kind of 'bonus' ?
D: All that asked I have to say I really hope that I'll manage to get many old skool users as well as my friends to move over to another website. Notice that most of the people in this thread are pro users, I hope that with our money a website like zoomr or wherever we'll move to, will become our new home. you can keep the family pictures, noon paying users and I can just hope that good users which will decide to stay with you will move as they see most of the hardcore community moves.
bye bye flickr
kind of like saying goodbye to a first love girlfriend, it's really tough, but from my experience relationships I know that the next one is always better
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how exactly were those of us that don't lurk around the FAQ's and forums supposed to know about the forced merge prior to renewing/gifting more memberships? Now I see why they let 2006 pass by completely even though the forced merge should have taken place last year, and announced it after christmas.
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Even the BBC are running a story on this ! <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6316761.stm""Flickr to require Yahoo usernames
Hey, there's a photo of Heather too! She's famous!
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I'm so annoyed I goofed the html !!! Click here for the story at the BBC News site. You can leave comments there too!
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I've got a new email address....
ihatethewankerswhowork@yahoo.co.uk
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Uh, not too happy about this. I had a Yahoo! account that had to be abandoned because it was linked to an old e-mail address that I no longer had (and hence couldn't receive account update verification mails), and the Yahoo! support was abysmal.
I have another Yahoo! account for my own personal stuff (e.g. B3ta newsletters, and similar, as someone else has mentioned) - but I don't want *our* (me & my wife's) Flickr stuff associated with that.
So I go to create a new Yahoo! ID, and decide upon a whim to read the T&Cs (all 7 pages - argh!)... there's some interesting bits in section 8:
8. PUBLIC CONTENT POSTED TO YAHOO!
(b) With respect to Content you elect to post for inclusion in publicly accessible areas of Yahoo! Groups or that consists of photos or other graphics you elect to post to any other publicly accessible area of the Service, you grant Yahoo! a world-wide, royalty free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, modify, adapt and publish such Content on the Service solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting the specific Yahoo! Group to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to the Service. This licence exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and shall be terminated at the time you delete such Content from the Service.
Hmm... OK, I think... and then
(c) With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo! the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and licence to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed.
No way, Jose! Can anyone explain how this impacts Flickr? I've had a search around for an answer (e.g. the FAQ, the various threads, etc.) but the Flickr search engine isn't very helpful at directing you to a specific post within a multiple-page thread...
I appreciate that this has been here since Yahoo! bought Flickr, but I don't recall ever having a reason to read it all through before :(
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I think it is a thirty-day expiry for Yahoo! accounts for those who use Yahoo! Mail with free Yahoo! accounts. I always sign into Yahoo! Mail once every week so that I don't lose my Yahoo! account.
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Yes, I did previously create a yahoo account tied to my flickr id but had to have it reverted since the yahoo account automatically switced itself off. Given that I have no use for any yahoo services other than flickr (and that flickr usage appears insufficient to keep the yahoo account going), how am I supposed to avoid this problem in future?
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Sod that, i'm just going to flickr off.
YABOO!
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Attemptd to merge or whatever was prompted to.Can't log onto my PRO ACCOUNT with over 12,000 {hits} viewings and like 100 photos and about 6 to 8 groups. I hope they can bring it back to where I was.Pusceeslave-changed to Orgasmfour2. Please help. It's not the 30 dollars for a pro account;alot of EFFORT goes into creating contacts,friends and GROUPS.
PLEASE HELP
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This kind of reminds me of a certain TV show that bombed... Viewers were able to call in and vote for what they wanted to happen next on the show. Only, they had to own a certain brand of cell phone in order to call in.
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I don't get the big deal. I've had a Yahoo ID since 2001, completely separate from Flickr, and never had an iota of problems with it. I didn't merge it till now, but that's only because "old skool" amused me. I don't have a Yahoo email address - it's not required. Nobody's done evil things with my personal information. I don't get any junk mail from it - I've never received a single piece of junk mail at the address they have for me. Your personal information is already "out there" - unless you don't have credit and have never bought anything online and don't have an email account. In which case you aren't here anyways. But, oh, the pain of having to actually remember something and sign in every once in a while! Guess nothing's worth that, eh?
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WHY???
don't give me the crap about maintaining 2 log in systems...
- just stickj to the one based on e-mail adress so I don't have to get all the spam and hassle from Yahoo...
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MarkAndMarina — while I can't say too often that I dislike Yahoo, I don't think the paragraphs you quoted have any real impact on flickr. The first is about Yahoo Groups (flickr isn't a Yahoo group), the second is about "all other content" (i.e. anything that is not a photo). So maybe Yahoo has the right to reproduce our comments, forum posts, or tags, but explicitly not the photos.
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Am late to this, so this may have been asked before...
Having lost emails in a yahoo account because I did not login on time to save the account, I am worried about what will happen to my Yahoo Id and Flickr account if I am absent for a few months.
Will I no longer have my ID? Will I lose all my photos on Flickr and have my account deleted? Or is there no required log back in period to save your account for Yahoo.Ids?
This is what worries me most about the merger...
Minus the need for copious amount of personnel information that i do not think i need to provide yahoo with...
Thanks in advance for any information.
*taking deep breaths*
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lil miss priss edited this topic 36 months ago.
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I, for one, will welcome our new Yahoo Login overlords.
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Hmm, I was looking at this more carefully and checking yahoo and from the terms of service
Yahoo! provides its service to you subject to the following Terms of Service ("TOS"), which may be updated by us from time to time without notice to you.
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You also understand and agree that the Service may include certain communications from Yahoo!, such as service announcements, administrative messages and the Yahoo! Newsletter, and that these communications are considered part of Yahoo! membership and you will not be able to opt out of receiving them.
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You also agree to: (a) provide true, accurate, current and complete information about yourself as prompted by the Service's registration form (the "Registration Data") and (b) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data to keep it true, accurate, current and complete. If you provide any information that is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, or Yahoo! has reasonable grounds to suspect that such information is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, Yahoo! has the right to suspend or terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service (or any portion thereof).
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However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s), as applicable:
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* With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible area of the Service other than Yahoo! Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Service.
I CAN´T agree to this in good conscience. I won´t accept any responsability to keep yahoo updated nor will I give them the right to change their TOS regarding my photo´s copyright anytime. So, my use of Flick as permanent storage for my photos is affected. I have to accept spam from yahoo and oh boy, morally obliged to give them all marketing information they want or they can delete my account and I lose acess to photo storage. Plus of course they can change copyright policy anytime they so choose without warning me. I am really not OK with this.
To Flickr staff any chance the old skool users can keep a separate login which does not require agreement with Yahoo´s TOS? I started to upload photos before the yahoo merger, my use of flickr for storage of data was meant to be long term. You could keep new features requiring a yahoo ID; maybe that would tempt some users to the changeover.
I am very glad I had not yet renewed my pro account, I don´t think I will do it now.
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Good grief! I used to be proud of being an "old skool" member. After reading 560 comments, I'm actually ashamed. I wish I could have a badge that claims I'm new, so I won't be associated with all the whining and tanrum-throwing and apparent reading incomprehension. I mean, I've been a member since Flickr was free, but I'm embarrassed to admit that now!
Folks, over and over I see the same questions and fears and claims, all of which have been answered or don't make any sense. If you're an old-skool member, you should know by now to trust Flickr. Butterfield and Fake haven't steered us wrong yet, and they're not likely now.
This isn't a big conspiracy to ruin your life. As Stewart said, big things are coming, and eliminating old-skool logins will smooth the way for the big things to come. Will I use any of the big things? I don't know yet -- and neither do you.
You're not going to have to login again three times a day. That's not an intrinsic feature of the Yahoo login, it's a "feature" of Yahoo Mail. Flickr is using the credentials system, but not the borked-up cookies. (Less technical: Flickr knows what theyr'e doing better than Yahoo)
If you hate Yahoo on principle, then you shouldn't have been a member since 2005, when Yahoo bought Flickr. It takes a login scheme to get you to notice? Um, some principles ya got there.
You've got more than one Flickr account? So when you switch back and forth between them now you've got to log out of one and into the other, right? That's how my wife and I do things, since we've each got our own. Two usernames, two passwords, two accounts. I've actually two of my own, and that's a separate username and password. Guess what? This hasn't changed at all. If you have two or more Flickr accounts, you'll still needs different usernames and passwords for them -- except that now the usernames are yahoo usernames. So what? The username is never displayed anywhere on Flickr, so it doesn't matter how ugly it is.
On and on it goes. With the exception of about five people who are blocked from *.yahoo.com/* by work firewalls, the only difference here is that once per computer, you'll need to login using a yahoo ID/password, which will incidentally not affect your Flickr account at all. Not even one bit. How easy is that? Super-easy.
All other concerns either have been addressed, or will be soon.
I'm so ashamed.
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I have no problem with the change in signon.
I can't believe you are limiting the number of Tags. PLEASE REVERSE THIS DECISION. Don't yahoo yourself into obscurity!!!!
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pwinn: Next time, before posting, would you take the time to read some of what people before you have written? Your post has a mistake in every single paragraph.
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Wait so are we saying that the little copyright thingy on all our photos is now worthless as far as Yahoo are concerned ?
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Lu, the registration process for Yahoo forces a yahoo email address on you. There is no choice. I've now created a yahoo account with foisted email address (that I have no use for). I can associate it with my flickr account easily enough, but it will delete itself in three months unless I can dream up a possible use for it.
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Do not really care about the new rules, as I joined Flickr in the first place with a Yahoo account...
Just had one thought regarding marketing and PR:
If you are about to announce two new rules that are sure to create the amount of heated debate you can now see on these forums, it would be a good idea to try to downplay these news with some new features! No?
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I won't be renewing my pro account.
I won't evangelize Flickr anymore.
I won't link to Flickr anymore.
I don't need Flickr.
Flickr needs me.
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podiluska
Let's face facts. Everything Yahoo touches turns to shit. Disagree? Give me one counter example.
Flickr's done well to hold out against an irrestible force for so long.
I don't have anything to add but wanted to repost because it's so goddamn true...
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@pagis- "A: When a flickr user come into flickr, (loging in or using a cooky) is it considered as a login to yahoo for that matter?"
Yes.
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Lu, the registration process for Yahoo forces a yahoo email address on you. There is no choice. I've now created a yahoo account with foisted email address (that I have no use for). I can associate it with my flickr account easily enough, but it will delete itself in three months unless I can dream up a possible use for it.
That doesn't affect anything *here*, though. I've never used mine - I'm sure it deleted itself a long time ago - and I still have my Yahoo ID, and it's still functional.
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YAHOO SUCKS>
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I seriously doubt they will change (strip) any existing Creative Commons licenses.
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Heather, since your original post appears at the top of every page, I suggest that you modify it to include some of the FAQs from this thread (e.g. flickr activity counts as activity on the yahoo account, you don't need to change the email address for your flickr mail, no refunds, etc.)
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Flickr staff have said they're working on a way to change the Y! account that your Flickr is tired to, however do you know if this will be done before March 15th?
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