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you can express whatever opinion you want but not at the expense of belittling others
But when DaveWard accuses someone of having either no morals or no clue that's fine? Oh - because he agrees with you...got it!
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@noonespillow- "Is this a new thing? Can we see this anywhere in official writing? (Not to put down your opinion, I'd just like to know if it's actually down in writing somewhere.)"
It's been mentioned by us before. When a Y!/Flickr user uses the Y! login to access Flickr, it hits an activity indicator for the account, just like any Y! service.
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chrispedrick, i did not say i agreed with the manner dave ward accuses others of no morals. got it?
when i say belittling is not cool, it goes for everyone.
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IIt's been mentioned by us before. When a Y!/Flickr user uses the Y! login to access Flickr, it hits an activity indicator for the account, just like any Y! service.
I'm glad this has been mentioned somewhere, but can this please go into a prominent official location?
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come on guys, get real - badges? stars? what's with the need to define yourself as old skool?
personally, I would find that almost as offensive as the need for a new yahoo ID
i don't think dividing up users according to the date they joined is a great idea for community spirit and I don't see the logic at all in people wanting to be identified as "old skool" - i could see nothing more ugly or dumb than buddy icons with an "old skool" marker
sheesh, if there is an issue here the least important thing is that!
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But if you don't login to Flickr for six months what happens Kevin?
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iris; are you kidding? Dave calls me clueless, without morals, accuses me of silencing protest, aligns me with the chinese government(!!), calls me a potential murderous tank-killer, and you suggest that I'm belittling him?
wow. seriously. it's debate. I'm sorry if it feels like you guys aren't used to debating so much as um, bating? but that's how it feels. Talk the issues, don't call me a murderous immoral communist (not that murderous communists can't have morals, I was just trying to wrap it all together there.) and we'll get along fine.
[and thanks chrispederick for the defense, and iris for not condoning the belittleback. i really need new words.]
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Heather - or Stewart, or whoever coughs up in the end - let us know how much the losers cost you. I will cough up to donate towards the fund, and I mean that with hand on heart, because there's no way you should bear the cost - these people don't deserve you.
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the searcher, your personal spat with dave ward isn't my problem.
and... how is my not wanting to join yahoo debateable?
i talk the issues and not calling you a murderous tyrant. what are you complaining to me about?
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Also, having special badges is a horrid idea shining example.
er, I know.
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if you don't login to Flickr for six months what happens
When you tie a Yahoo! account to a Flickr account, the Yahoo! ID is marked in the database to not expire.
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Okay, we're making progress, folks! Out of the four concerns I raised, Flickr folks have answered two of them to my satisfaction. I'm still waiting for an answer on the other two.
1) Difference between Yahoo!'s TOS and Flickr's: Stewart says it's insignificant. His word is good enough for me.
2) Yahoo!'s login requires personal information which Flickr's does not, raising concerns about privacy and anonymity. (no answer yet)
3) Random Yahoo! account cancellation could lead to deletion of all our photos: Heather promises us they won't. Again, her word is good enough for me.
4) Yahoo! cookies, required for login to Flickr, will spy on all your internet activity. (no answer yet)
This is a great start. Please let us know when you've got solid answers for #2 and #4!
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Why is no one listening to all the people that are saying that merging to a Yahoo ID is easy and painless?
I merged months ago and NEVER had a single problem. You never even need to go to a yahoo page unless you sign out and need to sign in again, or sign in on a different computer.
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Can't believe all the folks who write in that they "stay logged into" fickr and mention the "Two week" thing. Peeple, peeple, you have no care that everything you do with your computer is recorded and data mined? Yikes!
But that's ok, if the kids on the block have to learn things the hard way, so be it. Those of us who learned years ago to stand up for our values still keep tabs on our freedoms and rights. Apparently there is a blithe spirit among the Yahoo ID crowd that it's no big deal. And then I can relate this to all the young women who forget what it took to earn ANY advances from the work of the feminists. And then of course there is the example of nations led by political leaders who don't read history.
And so it goes.
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"Also, if you hate Yahoo! that much, go protest outside their offices instead of protesting them on the Internet."
America isn't the only country in the world you know and not everyone can afford to travel great distances over a online photo service.
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"let us know how much the losers cost you."
Come on, Tim (and everyone)- please don't go there; try and keep it civil.
Thanks.
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EXACTLY!!
I merged mine after awhile. Maybe a month or two. IT WAS PAINLESS and EASY. No problems at all. nada. zip, zilch
also, its a easier way to get to Yahoo! mail faster :P.
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I know, I should've specified US residents. completly forgot about it. I didnt really proofread it.
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Heather, thank you for treating the refund issue seriously. It took some thinking and commitment, and I appreciate that. You're obviously good people.
I'm a little perturbed by it not being directly from the company, especially as I didn't use PayPal but a credit card, but those are details. If it's not coming out of your pocket but from the company, I'm not that worried about the routing.
Now, knowing that I can opt out (and assuming that it is really the company and not you paying), this merge does not feel like as much of a forced choice. I still object (strenuously), but I can look at it all over the next few weeks and make a decision.
However, I'm still disturbed by what I consider the broken promise in the threat to delete the photos if the Yahoo! account gets deleted. I think the company would garner a lot of good will if it backed off from this threat.
But thanks for the one solution. It's good.
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otherthings : 1) Difference between Yahoo!'s TOS and Flickr's: Stewart says it's insignificant. His word is good enough for me.
Stewart, in his own words, offered his interpretation which he said should not be mistaken for official interpretation, so that concern really hasn't been answered. If you trust Stewart, fine. Nothing personal, Stewart, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I would be happier to hear it from the mouth of a Yahoo exec--what do they consider appropriate use of material posted to a photo sharing site.
The issue seems to be what they consider sharing vs. what users here consider sharing. We've seen them using the work of Flickr users to promote the Nintendo Wii. I can't speak for everyone, but it seem doubtful that people post images here so they can be used to sell things.
Until that's clarified, my future with Flickr is uncertain. I don't want to be part of a site owned by a company that feels it's appropriate to use my work to pitch products to visitors.
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Thanks, but no thanks. I joined flickr because I liked it the way it was. It's been getting worse and worse since the sellout. I don't buy into yahoo or its crap and I'm not creating an account with them just to keep the flickr account that I already have (and paid for). I'm sure many other sites will thank you for boosting their membership as well.
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@Aprevit and Maromi-kun: see my post above for a list of real concerns about the merge. These issues may not worry you personally, but they are valid concerns nonetheless.
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However, I'm still disturbed by what I consider the broken promise in the threat to delete the photos if the Yahoo! account gets deleted. I think the company would garner a lot of good will if it backed off from this threat.
Staff have said several times in this thread that that wouldn't happen.
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it seems to me that the people who have merged seem to have a problem in understanding i have nothing against their merging. that's their prerogative. it's just that i, personally, as many others, don't want to. it's about the freedom to choose.
and if your answer to this is 'then scram': i'm already browsing other photo sharing sites. but i will not go without a fight, because i love flickr so.
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was it on the previous page?
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"let us know how much the losers cost you."
Come on, Tim (and everyone)- please don't go there; try and keep it civil.
Thanks.
Kevin, I appreciate what you're saying here, but to be honest I think you should know I could say a hell of a lot worse.
To be honest, I am disgusted by the responses of the petty minded 'old skool' children here. Apparently whatever school it is they went to, most of them never graduated.
The whining, petulant, childish behaviour makes me want to leave Flickr more than any change to the sodding login prompt could possibly do.
Good, glad that's off my chest. Now, frankly, I think I'll be out of here.... (Edited - to try and avoid stooping to their level.)
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This is an unfortunate way to ruin a great photo website. I was not happy before but now that I have wasted about 3 hours trying to get the transition from flickr to yahoo and it still doesn't work. I ve had to change my screen name because yahoo said it was taken. Then, after I got the message, "you have sucessfully merged, blaa blaa blaa. " I logged into yahoo/Flickr and tried to view my photos, it says "you have not uploaded any photos yet" when in reality I have 100's photos posted to my flicker account. When do they show up? I'm totally turned off by all of this! The beauty of the original flickr.. it's simplicity....
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Maromi-kun: here it is! :-)
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otherthings, there is this post from treebjen in response to concerns raised about tracking cookies. I presume the trick would be that once you've logged in to flickr, you delete any yahoo cookies you may have on your machine.
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Hm. I'll have another look, Lú. My impression has been that they have been less than firm on this point. But OK.
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also, its a easier way to get to Yahoo! mail faster :P.
I'm sure this is totally painless and easy for people who are happy with their existing Yahoo accounts. But I think most of the people saying they don't want to get a Yahoo account are people who don't have a Yahoo account.
If your Yahoo account is working fine, good for you. Thanks for sharing. Speaking for myself, my immediate concerns are related to the evaporation or deactivation of all my old Yahoo accounts, the personal information Yahoo needs for account sign up, and the totally non-existent customer service at Yahoo.
Let me also emphasize that I'm trying to get to the bottom of this because I love Flickr and I would like to continue using the service.
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2) Yahoo!'s login requires personal information which Flickr's does not, raising concerns about privacy and anonymity. (no answer yet)
Well seeing as Yahoo gave up several Chinese bloggers last year for imprisonment for speaking their mind and search data of AMERICANS to the AMERICAN government last year too then yes you should be worried.
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Sbmoot I think Stewart answered this before here
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Sbmoot: Lú is correct. Please see this post from Stewart and this faq on the subject.
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tim walls, we respond this way because we love flickr.
all the name-calling is uncalled for.
and that behavior is most definitely petty, petulant and childish.
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yeah, i don't want to merge my account with yahoo and i'm a little concerned what yahoo has in mind for future "feature upgrades" (with no opt outs)
i am a flickr fan, but this thought of yahoo controlling future developments is a worry - i would hope that flickr could maintain some independence (e.g stewert mentioned that yahoo and flickr will trade info on accounts - if they delete a flickr account yahoo can be informed about it ... what other info will they share??)
regardless of yahoo ownership, flickr should keep a sense of integrity and function more as a separate entity - i would really dislike more integration with yahoo in terms of groups, interface or anything else
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iris Looks llike you will be choosing to leave.
Inkswamp Of course you shouldn't trust Stewart's interpretation. You could have a look at the Yahoo ToS and work out if the actual words justify your concerns. You will find that they are innocuous (but why should you trust me?) I fear that, on this issue at least, we are getting worked up into a self-fulfilling lather of unnecessary paranoia. The Yahoo copyright ToS are quite possibly the most benign I have seen anywhere on the web (and I do look occasionally).
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Now why did i completly miss that post? It was right in front of me.
Just delete the cookies after you're done with flickr for the day. I'm still waiting for the "Evidence Removal Service" and those "SEXUALY EXPLICIT" emails. I actually have those :/. Stupid cookies. Actually, just delete them before you close down IE/Firefox/Opera/Mozilla-Seamonkey/Safari/Konquer/Netscape.
Damn thats a lot of browsers. sadly, many sites require cookies.
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Also, as long as your blog doesn't mention: "Terrorist" "Iraq" "Osama bin Laden" "Iran" "WMD" "North Korea" in one post or the entire blog, there wont be a black van outside your house :)
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shining_example: thanks for that... it didn't really touch on my concern though. All treebjen said was that Flickr couldn't read Yahoo's cookies. He didn't say that Yahoo wouldn't deposit any cookies.
I don't really know much about cookies myself, to be honest-- I'm just repeating a concern I've heard from others about the fact that Yahoo uses tons of them and Flickr only uses one.
I certainly don't like the idea of having to manually delete a bunch of spyware every time I log into my beloved Flickr account!
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otherthings Wouldn't you only get the cookies from yahoo sites if you go to the yahoo sites?
Since you really only have to login once, I do not see how that would be a problem.
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Bye, Flickr! Go to hell, Yahoo!
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Edited to correct.
Actually I deleted all cookies and I then had to relogin to flickr. I could safely remove the yahoo ones and still work on flickr so in fact it's only the login that sets those cookies. A flickr cookie is what is keeping me logged in.
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@ Maromi-kun, interestingly enough, just today I learned my own employer has now blocked the yahoo ID. Hmmmm. Apparently some folks in the business world see some drawbacks associated with yahoo.com. Does that tell any of the happy smiling people with Yahoo ID's that perhaps their blissfull state is something to reconsider?
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aprevit, flickr is now a yahoo site
i don't think you would need to go elsewhere on yahoo, if you are logged into flickr you are considered to be in yahoo
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cobalt123 Maybe because browsing around sites like flickr and such are not good for productivity?
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Iris: I certainly don't want you to leave. but I did feel compelled to dispell one of your concerns, that failing to log in to Yahoo regularly would get it deleted. That was after you told me this topic wasn't for me since i switched over, even tho the topic is sort of all-encompassing. I would think that, since you don't want to switch, and I just did, that maybe we'd have some info we could share, my experience compared to the experience you expect. thus my contributions here.
I certainly don't want to trample on your strong feelings about switching, if in fact it is simply the lack of choice you are against (assuming that your other concerns, if shared, fall away similarly to that one at the top there) then that is a valid concern.
Dealing with a commerce site, that is also a community grown and driven site, that is a constant issue. No easy answer there. I wish I had a choice of layout on my stream, but I don't. I wish I had a choice of sharing my non-photo images with those who wanted to see them, but I don't. I wish I could rearrange my photostream, but I can't.
So there's always that struggle, the community having as much freedom as possible, and the system having to at some point call the shots and take choice away. I'm sorry you're feeling that violation, but I absolutely hope that you remain, at least to see how it all plays out. and you take good photos.
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Apparently some folks in the business world see some drawbacks associated with yahoo.com.
to be fair, that drawback would most likely be that you won't be working if you're hanging around on a yahoo site, though.
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omnia I meant more specific yahoo pages like yahoo.com or a personal yahoo page yadda yadda.
edit- I didn't phrase that very well, but can not think how to do it better.
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OK, I was going to delete my post, but I decided not to on the basis it would frankly be better to let it stand but apologise, for expressing myself badly and in an unduly provocative manner.
BUT, I would like to say, I'm ranting because I - and the 95% of people who aren't "old skool" (sic) - care just as much about Flickr as you do. And you have no idea how much damage you are doing to Flickr.
This kind of petty "it's my club because I joined first" bickering just devalues the whole enterprise in the eyes of the vast majority of people. Flickr is being devalued far more right now than through anything Yahoo - whatever you think of them - could do themselves.
And that makes me sad. Sadder than being asked to change my username would. So sorry for the expression, it was unjustified, but the sentiment stands.
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newdna says:
Bye, Flickr! Go to hell, Yahoo!
I knew something would show up.
cobalt123
What employer is this. If it was Google then :P. Also, there needs to be buttons to quote/bold names. doing html is a pain in the ass.
Checked firefox cookies
No flickr in my yahoo cookies. No yahoo in my flickr cookies. Mmnn.. flickr cookies :P
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You can add yahoo.com too your cookie blacklist in options(firefox) You receive a yahoo cookie even when you sign in as an oldskool member for some reason too. Blocking yahoo doesn't log you out or stop you logging in though but only when logging in through an oldskool account, it might work for merged accounts too but I am unable to test this.
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I think what we are all going to have to come to terms with is that this site is no longer 'Flickr' but 'Yahoo! Flickr', which sucks because the last time I extended my pro membership (for two fugging years), I paid Ludicorp, not Yahoo!, via paypal.
My guess is that for every person posting here, there are at least 5-10 other oldskool members who are looking for places to flee. (Where are they? Please advise.) This is horrible and I too am angry that I will either have join the Yahoo! Brand Universe or become a foto refugee again.
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Thanks for that info, Psyks... I'll try that!
As long as there's a way to prevent Yahoo! from spying on me, I'll be happy. It'd be better, of course, if Flickr itself made this option available, instead of requiring us to do it ourselves.
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My guess is that for every person posting here, there are at least 5-10 other oldskool members who are looking for places to flee.
My guess is that for every 5 members saying goodbye in this thread, 1 will leave.
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I recommend looking here
Its a list of places for flickr refugees to settle in
Or help support my compromise. Its almost a good idea
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Lú, treebjen and Aprevit: I stand corrected. Thanks.
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tim walls: i think the whole old skool gang thing is besides the point. some people may want to use that to argue for their cause but don't feel any duty towards the whole 'we were here first' thing.
i'm talking about being forced into something i would very much would choose not to do.
the searcher: i think we can safely say that we are on common ground and finally getting along now.
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Concerning Picasa
True, the client itself is not currently available fort Mac, but there are ways to use the PicasaWeb service with a Mac:
picasa.google.com/intl/en_US/web/whatsnew.html
Bottom of the page.
Be advised that your free account gets you 250MB storage space, and the features are otherwise sparse in comparison to Flickr.
More storage is available for an annual fee:
"Picasa Web Albums come with 250MB of free storage, or room to post and share approximately 1000 wallpaper-sized photos (at 1600 pixels each). For an additional yearly fee, you can purchase a storage upgrade for your account.
Here’s what we currently offer:
6.25GB ($25 USD per year)
25GB ($100 USD per year)
100GB ($250 USD per year)
250GB ($500 USD per year) "
picasa.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=39567&...
FWIW, I use the Google thingy because I use Picasa for photo sorting and it allows me to temporarily share photos with people whom I'd rather not see my Flickr account (I use bad language periodically, and it sends Aunty Em into fibrillation.). It's no great shakes, but it works as advertised.
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It's not about being first.
It's about being forced to create another account to log in to Flickr.
I don't want to be forced to do anything.
I'll leave before I create yahoo account plain and simple.
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it's not that easy aprevit - investing hundreds of hours in uploading photos, adminning groups, making contacts, commenting on photos isn't easy to walk away from (regardless of how much you dislike yahoo)
on top of that, you then need to download your photos and re-upload them somewhere else. This is a big job when you have perhaps thousands of photos - and you lose all your comments etc
so, many people are in a bind and i don't think making light of it is helpful
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SoundsGood: I joined flickr because I liked it the way it was. It's been getting worse and worse since the sellout.
Really? I've liked several of the new features that have been added in the past few months (i.e. since Yahoo bought Flickr): detail view for photosets, geotags, Flickr Mobile. I don't use Guest Passes but it has been great for a few of my friends and family. Now I'm anxiously awaiting subsets.
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Wow - 1550+ messages. Seems like a lot of negativity but I suppose the people who have joined since Yahoo bought 'em aren't bothered by this. Hell they probably don't even know about it.
The folks that started flickr seem like nice people. Heather has a great reputation. The founders got a big payday with the yahoo deal. Good for you. We are all trying to make a living around here.
I've been trying to figure out why this bothers me. I don't like Yahoo and I resent having to get a yahoo account to continue with flickr. Resentments generally don't make my life any happier, healthier, more fulfilling or improve my art so I try to avoid them whenever I can. I haven't pulled all my photos from here but I might. I find myself less interested in posting here but I've been so busy recently I haven't been able to post much. But back to yahoo - yahoo is desperately trying to keep itself relevant and make money. Not necessarily in that order. Yahoo reminds me of Amway - ever present, unctuous and obsequious while always trying to sell me something that is almost useful but I just don't want to deal with them.
I believe that Heather and Stuart believe the promises they are offering about various things that will and won't happen. I don't believe that when push comes to shove they will have the means to enforce them if yahoo wants something different. That is just the way it is. Yahoo signs the check. You can leave or you can say "yes sir" but you can't un-ring the bell.
So I'll see if this remains a community I want to participate in. It might. At least for a while. Meanwhile I'm actively looking for another community. As I posted in the New Ideas (or whatever it is called) forum nothing we say here is going to change things. Too much money has changed hands and too much is on the line.
Let it go. Take this energy and build the next cool place to be. Flickr may well continue to grow and grow literally bursting with the mediocre photos of people who can't tell the difference. That doesn't matter to me. That isn't why I was attracted to flickr in the first place.
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I'm a little concenred... I made up a dummy Yahoo account at work earlier today to test out how flickr works... I came home and I tried to log in to it on the flickr site and it woudln't let me. The reason is, I have all yahoo cookies blocked on my home computer - yet I can still log into flickr on my old account just fine with the yahoo cookies blocked.
How will it be ensure that if I merge my flickr account to a yahoo account that I'll still be able to access my flickr account without accepting yahoo cookies? If we want to use flickr are we going to be forced to allow yahoo to track our every move? I can't say I like that much.
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@Aprevit: I'm not sure I'll leave but I sure will try to find another place to go to, I'll checkout all the options and then consider.
I have to say I'm very impressed by the way the staff handles all of this, and especially heather, I super appreciate you trying to help.
I understand that my opinions might be different than those of the staff and management. I'm not happy with this and some other changes.
I have to say I didn't read pages 10-15 very carefully (had an exam this morning) but I'm still not sure what's the status regarding our copyrights.
About saying goodbye, like in any relationship, sometimes you say things you don't mean, sometimes you say things from anger, you're emotional cause you care.
I'm not happy with some things on flickr and I'm going to check my options and I really hope I'll find a better place which I'll be happier with. I like this place, I really do, but I don't like somethings, we'll see.
Anyway, staff and fellow old skoolers, thanks for making my time here so nice so far :)
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FYI, tadmur - and I don't know if this has much to do with tracking our every move - I deleted all my Yahoo cookies and called Flickr back up. Yahoo left one cookie on my account. When I then logged into YIM, it did not leave another cookie. For what it's worth.
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I looked at the source for my home page on flickr, and found the following lines of markup:
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'load', F._window_onload);
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'resize', F._window_onresize);
//YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'beforeunload', F._window_onbeforeunload); // hrmm
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'blur', F._window_onblur);
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'focus', F._window_onfocus);
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(window, 'unload', F._window_onunload);
>SNIP<
<div id="beacon"><img src="http://geo.yahoo.com/f?s=792600147&t=b4a8215fc0c599808b52202ad16f9819" width="0" height="0" alt="" /></div>
I have no idea what the javascript does. I found this information about Web beacons:
"Web beacons" are used inside and outside Yahoo:
Yahoo! uses web beacons to access Yahoo! cookies inside and outside our network of web sites and in connection with Yahoo! products and services.
info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html
Yahoo! uses web beacons within the Yahoo! network of web sites in order to count users and to recognize users by accessing Yahoo! cookies.
info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/webbeacons/details.html
By putting a Web beacon on our home page, Yahoo apparently has access to us without setting a separate cookie. See the page above for tracking and "auditing" information that yahoo does for its partners.
[edit: pasted in the html markup without escaping the delimiters, and the beacon markup disappeared. Sorry - fixed now, I think]
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Maromi-kun says:
Just delete the cookies after you're done with flickr for the day. … Actually, just delete them before you close down IE/Firefox/Opera/Mozilla-Seamonkey/Safari/Konquer/Netscape. Damn thats a lot of browsers. sadly, many sites require cookies.
You can tell Firefox to delete all cookies automatically when you close the browser. That's how I've set it up, and that's why the magic "remember me" cookie won't work for me.
Aprevit says:
Wouldn't you only get the cookies from yahoo sites if you go to the yahoo sites? Cookies are restricted to a domain, that's right. But not necessarily restricted to the site where the HTML comes from. A web page consists of several independent elements, and each of them can bring along its own cookies. This forum page that we are viewing right now, for example, has HTML from flickr.com, the menu buttons come from yimg.com, and then there's this little web bug —
geo.yahoo.com/f?s=792600122&t=71f5caafd1e58e649d8ff25...
— reporting to the mothership that you are reading this thread. Go figure.
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igis It will have no effect on your copyright.
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"When I then logged into YIM, it did not leave another cookie. For what it's worth."
If you mean Yahoo Instant Messenger by 'YIM' then no it wouldn't as that doesn't interact with your web browser as it has its own folder for files etc.
If you log into yahoo email via their website another cookie is dumped into your cache.
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reporting to the mothership that you are reading this thread. Go figure.
of course it's probably doing that so it can tell you whether there have been any new messages when you log back on (admittedly a function that flickr is spectacularly bad at).
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Like many others I don't want to become a part of yahoo's stable of horribly managed and designed websites. Since the trend seems to be the merging of flickr into yahoo I will just let the account expire and forget about flickr.
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I personally am disappointed at the amount of whingers, conspiracy theorists, paranoiacs, illiterates (eg please read previously posted replies - not to mention long-standing site notices), fantasists, and greedy (eg where's my $5 refund?) people that have posted here.
I can't believe I'm part of a "community" with these types of people. The door is that way --->
I prefer to be with the 95%+ of members or more who have bigger concerns than what letters they type to log in.
To those mentioned in paragraph 1 - If you were truly concerned - you would have taken action a year ago or more
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"I have no idea what the javascript does. I found this information about Web beacons:"
If you are using Firefox I highly recommend noscript
addons.mozilla.org/firefox/722/
I have all java from Yahoo blocked but flickr java allowed. It is a essential extension in my opinion.
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gee, that takes a lot of guts babyjesusiscrying, create a troll account to express your "opinion"
i can't believe i'm part of a "community" with trolls like you, who have nothing better to do with their time than create dud accounts and flame other users in public forums
maybe you have some bigger concerns - like actually taking some photos ...
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I think my new name pretty much says it all. You're treading mighty close to exploting those people who got you here.
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Can't wait to hear when those who are not Old Skool members are suddenly waking up at some point - there's going to be a doozy of reports to the flickr help forum and emails to flickr staff. There already are a bunch of situations we've heard about for months and months now.
In the meantime, us Old Skool members will remember clearly how many of the newbies cheerfully report "no problems" and go on to say they've just changed over and no problems yet. heh
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Just find any tech junkie and ask about cookies, javascript/java and other paranoid things
babyjesusiscrying
I;ve been in worse communities than this, at least it focuses on one topic: Yahoo! and the conspiracy(not being mean to anyone). The community is the gaming one. Still, this is playground fights. Also, you could've taken action before the annoucement.
Mr. Last Minute
Your post: www.flickr.com/forums/help/32687/page16/#reply166574
Cross-Site scripting is used everywhere and everybody. Reading that part makes it look like its a Yahoo problem.
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Can't wait to hear when those who are not Old Skool members are suddenly waking up at some point - there's going to be a doozy of reports to the flickr help forum and emails to flickr staff.
I'm confused. Who are you talking about?
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Just bought my backup DVD... Once it arrives in the mail, I'm going to be applying for a refund.
So long, Flickr, and thanks for all the memories.
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iansand: Of course you shouldn't trust Stewart's interpretation. You could have a look at the Yahoo ToS and work out if the actual words justify your concerns. You will find that they are innocuous (but why should you trust me?)
Innocuous, huh? Did you see the Wii promo page using Flickr images as a promotional tool? Not really my definition of "innocuous." I think any concerns along these lines are justified. Clearly, Yahoo has different ideas about what it means to share photos. I'd like a clarification about what Yahoo thinks is appropriate usage of Flickr user photos.
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Hey there Brenda, to answer you: all those folks who have written in to say something like "oh I just changed over and there are no problems whatsoever". It is my point that an instant "effect" of a change to logging in with a Yahoo ID will not provoke immediate negative consequences, yet over time, there will be enough who learn to their distress that there ARE consequences. I am not wishing anyone bad karma, but reality will tell, eh?
BTW, I appreciate very very much your active involvement in Central and the Help forum. You always have reasoned and calm input that adds a great deal of balance to whatever is going on.
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Brenda: I guess he's talking about the millions of users apparently at great risk all of a sudden, after a year or so of clear sailing (tho this talk of cookies and stuff disturbs me)
Not sure how he's going to watch them, after march 15th...
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The Searcher: FYI, I R a female fossil and Old Skooler...
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Maromi-kun says:
Cross-Site scripting is used everywhere and everybody. Reading that part makes it look like its a Yahoo problem. I was explaining why "Yahoo can't drop any cookies as long as I stay on flickr.com" isn't true. Every web bug (or web beacon, as some call them), every image which is served from a server that is not in the flickr.com domain, every Yahoo ad in an iframe can carry cookies.
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inkswamp, you keep referring to a situation that was in error, and very temporary. They agreed the site was set up wrong and changed it to only pull in images with the proper license (IE those people that have no problem with the commercial use) and they fixed it within minutes of being alerted. So using that as your example of evil coming is kind of like pointing to a kitten stampede as an example of global warming.
oops! Ms Cobalt123, sorry! would really like to hear more about the long term miasma that the millions of current yahoo/flickr users are facing though. so I know what to expect. Also, how you plan to monitor our descent into hell after March 15th..
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Then I misunderstood your post then
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cobalt, I was confused by you saying "all these who are not Old Skoolers"... anyone who was required to "merge" IS an old skooler.
I merged my account in Sept 05 and I've never had a problem. Maybe I've been asleep all this time?? ;)
Thanks for your kind words, by the way.
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Inkswamp Have you had a look at the Yahoo ToS yet? I would be interested in what is so evil about them. They certainly do not claim a right to do what was done with wii. If that use was unlawful under general copyright law (and I doubt it was) nothing in the ToS would do anything to justify the use.
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it just sucks ... seriously .. yeah, sure .. its better for all of us old skool members .. yeah right .. I just don't like the fact to have to use this yahoo stuff ... *sigh*
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Brenda Anderson says:
anyone who was required to "merge" IS an old skooler. I guess she meant "all those who don't use the 'old skool' sign-in page".
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Descent to Hell after March 15, 2007: easily monitored as a free account holder perhaps...
Per Mr. Last Minute, perhaps I mean the 95% of flickr members who are not affected by the coming Yahoo ID login.
Sorry folks if I was unclear. BTW, I appreciate the great conversations that are going on. Over all, these kinds of issues deserve very careful examination and so many responders add a great deal to the whole consideration at hand.
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I Still say WTF!?!? Where the hell is the staff?!
Honestly, I don't see this thread as a 'debate', why the hell are the people that were asked to talk about their concerns with the merge being allowed to be attacked in this thread?.. You [The Staff] are allowing the animosity to build...
There are lots of people in this thread that are asking the same questions over and over, honestly, I understand not wanting to read through the thousands of redundant questions... so they just ask their question again...
Why do the people that this doesn't affect have to act like such assholes? This isn't about you, you are adding NOTHING but more hateful emotions.
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says the guy calling everyone "assholes".
how does this not affect me? I just switched yesterday (seamless, quick, btw) and now there's all this talk of it blowing up in my face between now and infinity, so I'd say I've got a horse in this race along with you and every single other member of Flickr, paid, free, old skool, new-and-properly-spelt-school, and whomever else.
Maybe your answers are up there in the thread you don't want to read? I know the staff responses are (they're in gray, btw, so you can skim.)
lay it on me. What are your questions. What hasn't been answered? Aside from the "don't make us do this", which so far, they do seem keen on still doing.
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Gotta love all those "I didn't have any problem" people.
What's next?
"I drove while drunk and didn't have any problems! So what's the big deal? Why won't anybody listen to those of us who drive drunk all the time but have never had problems?"
They don't get it at all.
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Yup I'm pretty much to the point now calling everyone assholes.
Who the hell are you in this thread... You have no issues with the change, so why are you here?
If the staff needs help explaining to their paying customers the effects of their actions, they can ask for it.
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The Searcher wrote: says the guy calling everyone "assholes".
You generally don't get called one if you don't act like one.
Maybe if you weren't here only to squash dissent and run your tank over anybody who expresses discontent...
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and the problems are dave? the forums are filled with the yahoo troubles where exactly? Is it the cookies? that stuff sounds scary, I gotta admit. I'll definitely be checking that out, seeing how yahoo is gonna try or already spying on us. ok, so next?
there's no "they" dave. There's just us. all of US. Flickr members. Splintering Flickr users, is probably more hurtful than a giant corp forcing a new login on us.
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There are lots of people in this thread that are asking the same questions over and over,
And it seems to me, there are people answering the same questions over and over.
This whole thing boils down to:
I don't want to merge with Yahoo. What do I do?
Possible answers:
Don't merge and close your Flickr account. If you want a refund, send Heather a flickrmail and she'll organize it.
Don't merge and just leave your Flickr account out there, but inaccessible to you in case you change your mind later.
Merge and grumble about it.
Accept the inevitable and merge; then go back to using Flickr as if nothing had happened.
What other question is there? Maybe you are uneasy about merging because you don't know whether yahoo is evil or not. That's not something staff can help you with. I mean, what do you expect staff to say? Yes, Yahoo is evil but we still love it? Or, no, Yahoo isn't evil, but then Flickr is part of Yahoo, so what would you expect?
And, guess what? I'm old skool too, if that's the qualification for being able to participate in this thread.
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I didna read it all, of course.
Heather is refunding from her PayPal account??? You heathens,. $25 a year is chump change and you wanna quit, and want a rebate? Holy cow.
quit if you wish. I'm totally pissed about this - just cause Yahoo is SO unreliable, they delete accounts all the time, and I dont want my Flickr deleted.
But you want a "refund"?? dweebs.
Heather - I would be happy to share in your "refund" fund.. fmail me.
still oldskool at this point tho, so dont go to yahoo
and yes, I'm totally serious.
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justj: I'm here because angry people with no concern for anyone but themselves piss me off. you claim to want answers, but no questions come. when answers are there, you ignore them. All I have from you and dave is that you don't want to have to join Yahoo. That's it. You come in here and try to tear Flickr apart, call people names, that's MY flickr too, not just yours. So I'll defend what you want to tear down. because I'm just a clueless, immoral murdering communist asshole, and that's how I roll.
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