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* Approximately 0.00156 % of photos on Flickr have more than 75 tags
* 300 people have more than 3,000 contacts (but this doesn't mean they're more popular than you)
I'd so love to see the full distributions. Power law?
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Graph, graph!
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I got more then 19.000 contacts and I just discovered that Flickr is making a limit of 3.000 contacts. When I add new contacts it will give me a kind of bug that the limit is reached...
Other thing is that I read that I have to delete 16.000 of my contacts to get back to the limit of 3.000. Isn't that a little bit stupid?!?!?!
Other thing i want to mention is... why a limit of 3.000 contacts? Does that mean I can not have more then 3.000 people that can see my friends or family (private) pictures?
I think that this limit should be unlimited for many reasons!
I know Flickr is thinking about their database size...
But what about the userfriendly Flickr? Are we not getting what we want?
I am pro account user and I don't understand why a limit for me....
Sorry, but I am a bit upsad now...
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Striatic came up with a good point. I hope that machine tags don't count against this limit.
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how can you know 19,000 people?
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I don't know them all personal... they are all people that want to see my friends/family photo's....
See it as big fan's of my photo's! ;)
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 I guess you are one of the 300 people with more than 3000 contacts.
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I got more then 19.000 contacts
*boggles*
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So I am the best?
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I don't really understand the reasons. If it really affects 0.00sth% percent of users or photos, as you wrote, how can it affect the overall performance in any noticeable way?
Would be glad to hear some real reasons.
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I got a better option to solve this problem...
Make contacts adding UNLIMMITED...
and delete all people from a contact that had not visit the contact more then 30 days...
That means when you got a contact that didn't visit your profile or your photo stream for over 30 days, he or she will be removed from your contact list. This sounds more fair to me then making a limit in adding contacts!
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I don't know them all personal... they are all people that want to see my friends/family photo's....
See it as big fan's of my photo's! ;)
Christiaan,
Some time ago you added me as a contact. Even as a friend. There was no other communication between us either way, as far as I can remember. I doubt you even visited my photostream.
I never asked to see your private-filed photos. Perhaps you count me as one of the thousands of fans of your photos, but the reality is that you simply flashed them at me.
Feel free to drop me as a contact.
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hilarious.
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Gustavo G.... I know, but I love your photo's ... so peaceful and I often look at them. Sorry that I still didn't comment on your pics! Soon I will... and I know you even not ask for that!
But i think it is not the topic about me... but about the limit of 3000 users.
I think everyone has the right to add people to their list...
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Does the 75 tag limit include machine tags?
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Yes, Brenda, it currently does.
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If loads are quick you can add a contact in around 30 secs. So 19,000 would take 158 hours. Slightly shy of a weeks clickin 24/7
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oh my... did I spend so manny hours online here?
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Re: machine tags being included in the 75 tags limit
Both the machine tag feature and the new limit are fairly new :) We'll probably exclude machine tags from the limit... that makes sense.
[edit] (But, don't quote me on that.)
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George (staff) edited this topic 30 months ago.
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A off topic question... how can I become STAFF? Can I work at Flickr?
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Shanoble - if you want to have more than 19,000 people see your photos, why the heck don't you just make them public? Then anyone can see them.
Unless there's a reason for them being private...
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Actually, that's another limit for people who have over 3,000 contacts... they aren't allowed to work at Flickr.
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Unless there's a reason for them being private...
They're nudes. Hence my previous "flashing" comment.
I couldn't care less about being "flashed" this way, but I know other people do care.
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Ok, well I blocked him some time ago, and I thought that's why, but since I couldn't remember for sure I didn't want to assume.
Thanks for confirming, Gustavo.
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I added 75 tags to a photo and then tried to Geo tag using the localize bookmarklet. That got stuck but when I clicked away from the photo and returned to it, it was mapped but there were no geotags (or machine tags). Is that correct behaviour?
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I don't understand the limit. I have been using contacts as a way to keep track of who has commented on my pictures (i.e., whenever someone comments on or faves one of my pictures, I add them as a contact). When I chat with someone or have some group dialog with them, I make them friends. Now I have about 4000 contacts. What am I supposed to do - delete a thousand of them one at a time? If flickr gives me a way to see/keep track of users who have commented on my pictures, I'd have no problem with this new policy. However, in its current form, I see no upside.
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George... hahaha... I hope that is a joke!
FlyButtafly... they are private because they are private pics... I can not put them public because then real family can see them too :P
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shanoble .. you currently have 19 THOUSAND contacts.
i assure you that you do not follow the photography of 19 thousand people.
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true... but they follow me ;)
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true... but they follow me ;)
you've made me a "friend" and i don't follow you. so that's totally untrue.
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true... but they follow me ;)
I don't.
Feel free to delete me as a contact.
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ok ok... but I like your photo's and artwork so that is why I made you my friend.
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George... hahaha... I hope that is a joke!
Sort of.
:P
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anyway... i guess this topic is now going about my 19.000 contacts...
Let's focus back on the topic!
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ok ok... but I like your photo's and artwork so that is why I made you my friend.
no you didn't. you've never commented on any of my photos at any time.
and i checked your contact list and you have 19 THOUSAND FRIENDS!
you're full of it.
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so, the real question is...
what happens if you have more than 3000 contacts?
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shanoble:
having 19.000 contacts is as ridiculous as spamming ~100 pools with your pointless pictures as you did here. and i'm not even talking about the huge amount of tags you're applying to your photos... you might want to complain about that 75 tag limit as well...
you should head over to myspace or something like this.
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I think its great to see Flickr putting these limits, even though I think the Groups per Photo Posting Limit is still too high.
Just make your own Group if you think you need more than 3000 Contacts for the sake that they can see your Private/Family/Friends Only photos.
Groups can be much bigger, can be invite only, private, and you can even announce things to your "friends" using the Discussion Feature.
Also, if you post a Private/Friends Only/Family Only Picture to a group it will be visible to every member in the group. So to say, Groups can be like a Contact List or "Circle of Friends".
EDIT: Or add your photos to a Set and create a Guest Pass
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i should add though, that the 3000 contact limit doesn't really change much.
people will just drop contacts in order as they add more, and the notification spam will continue.
but i like that flickr is trying something, at least.
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what happens if you have more than 3000 contacts?
You won't be able to add any new contacts until you bring your contacts under the limit.
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Let's focus back on the topic!
Notice the subject line of this thread: [...] changes topic. ;)
Seriously, Mr. Tang's suggestion is perfectly valid. If you think you have 19000 admirers avidly following your private stuff, create a group for posting them. They'll surely all join faster than you can drop them as contacts!
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I asked a question up here about geotagging - perhaps the tag and contact limits should have had two separate topics?
flickr.com/forums/help/32686/#reply163817
Anyway I tried to geotag a photograph using the localise bookmarklet with 75 tags and although it did add it to the flickr map, that only happened after I clicked away from the photograph (which had stalled) and I ended up with no machine tags. Geotagging a photo with less than 75 does create machine tags. Whether this is a problem or not, I'm not sure.
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I guess I can't add any more contacts... oh well.
When people add me, from seeing my work on explore or whatever, I like to add them back, and look at their photos.
I'm sorry to see this arbitrary limit set, since it will make flickr a lot less fun for me.
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Will those who currently use Yahoo! IDs have to end up changing their FlickrMail address to their Yahoo! ID? I would prefer that my FlickrMail address is my GMail address and not be forced to switch to my Yahoo! ID.
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I agree Automatt.
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Oops, wrong forum. Please delete this and what I posted here, thank you.
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I must have stayed up too late. I'm not just seeing double now!
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hahahaaaa!
*hiccup* ;P
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I over 3000 contacts..
now I am not sure what to do..
I can make another account.. which I really don't want to do..
On myspace I have about 7000 contacts.. and on flickr I have about 7000 contacts.. I am not sure why.. that is just the number of people that I have added or have added me.. but limiting the number of contacts is just dumb. Flickr is a social networking site.. it maybe visually based ( picture based) but still it is a social networking site... and to limit the number of contacts a person can have I just can't see the logic of it..
It is a spam issue. then code it so over 3000 contacts.. they don't get and e-mail from us.. or allow people to us.. but Im not allowed to add them or something.. to just to impose a flat cap on it doesn't seem like good policy..
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Out of curiosity, since flickr/yahoo has been imposing limits lately, will there ever be a time they limit the number of groups you can join or create? I have no problem with the various limits that are up now, but many of us are members of quite a large number of groups (sometimes merely because we just don't take the time to clean out our group list) and I just wanted to know if that will end up being an issue sometime in the future... or whether it's even been considered.
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> Recap: The new maximum number of contacts is 3,000.
does this limit applies also to the number of people who call me a Contact? (i would hope not, but could a STAFF confirm?)
i have only o dozen contacts, but almost 2000 users like my photos and call me a Contact (i.e. they bookmarked me).
> each photo on Flickr can have a maximum of 75 tags.
but photos that had more that 75 tags before this limit came in effect do keep all their tags, correct?
from what i observe, adding a new tag to those photos requires removing some tags to get under 75.
one thing i don't like too much is that i use a number of tags for my private use, for my personal classifications (those are private tags, and to make sure they don't interact with "public" tags, they all start with a digit).
but on the other hand in understand that tag-hogging is a problem, and that limiting the number of tags is the simplest way to resolve it. i just wish that limit would not apply to "pro" users (or that a higher limit would apply to them).
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I think these issues seem more apparent for power users, not the average user. If you need more than 3000 contacts, and you can't find a way to prune any of them, if you need to add 76+ tags to every single image, then you are in a special league. Maybe those folks should fork over some more dough to support their acquisitiveness.
The only way I can see 3000 contacts ever becoming an issue for my probably very typical account is if my flickr account gets very very old. But even then...maybe by then Flickr will have a utility that will tell me about my activity with various contacts, which would help me get rid of the ones I just don't need anymore.
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This will certainly make Flickr less fun for me. It may also be a breach of my agreement with Flickr when I signed up. I am still looking into that.
I don't believe that this is a move to make Flickr run more smoothly, although I believe it may. I believe that it is greed based and that Yahoo doesn't want to spend the money required in order to build an infrastructure to handle these kinds of volumes. Could it be that the Pro accounts have not generated enough money to pay for equipment that must deal with the 4 million plus members of Flickr?
I am in complete agreement with Shanoble when he says that this is a way of having a fan base keep up with ones photographic contributions. As an artist/photographer who has been doing art with a fair amount of artistic nude content (in good taste, not porn, which I believe should be rated "g', but that is another issue) , I depend on the "friend" based contacts to see my art. As an artist it is my responsibility to exhibit my work to as large an audience as I can. I have reached my limit at just over 3,000 and now Flickr is telling me that I can not increase my audience beyond that. I think that is pretty ridiculous all around. It's like saying to Madonna a million people have heard your song on the radio, so we must stop playing it so no one else will hear it. This is just nonsense.
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Censoring the number of contacts we can have just doesn't make sense. If we abide by all of the laws and requirements of decency, why should we be punished for being popular or friendly?
We are already newly limited by how many groups our images can be in, which I also disagree with, and censorship only makes someone want to use your site less, not more.
I agree with others' sentiments about having contacts immediately deleted if their profile is not logged onto after 30 days, which polices itself. What happened to freedom of choice?
I really enjoy Flickr, but lately with all of the restrictions, I am very disappointed in these useless controls.
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Lastly, I am a PAYING member on this site. Why should I be limited?
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The point is that we became paying membres under a premise that this limit didn't exist. A change like this is a complete breach of the agreement.
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Not to mention a loss of our freedom of expression.
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Breach of the agreement??
Terms of use
13. MODIFICATIONS TO SERVICE
Yahoo! reserves the right at any time and from time to time to modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Service (or any part thereof) with or without notice. You agree that Yahoo! shall not be liable to you or to any third party for any modification, suspension or discontinuance of the Service.
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Terms of use does not constitute the law and law does not always constitute justice. I think all intelligent beings know that.
So Brenda, I take it you are in agreement with Yahoo on this?
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What you paid for is:
- Extended upload bandwidth
- Access to more than the last 200 photos in your stream
- Ability to offer your high-res originals for download
I can't see that these points had somehow been affected. Everything else is free, and subject to change.
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So Brenda, I take it you are in agreement with Yahoo on this?
What? The limit on contacts and tags? Sure. If it makes the system run more smoothly, then I'm all for it.
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heather (STAFF) write:
> what happens if you have more than 3000 contacts?
> You won't be able to add any new contacts until you bring your contacts under the limit.
but that 3000 limit does not applies to the number of people who call me a Contact, correct?
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Richard....."and to limit the number of contacts a person can have I just can't see the logic of it.. "
Personaly i will never add a "contact collector" to my contacts. This function seems the highest quality feedback route there is on Flickr. Normally more "one on one" than any group, especialy big groups, you develop a working relationship and notice changes in style etc much easier. People call for a "favorite photographer" function but this is what contacts really should be. Not just because they produce pretty, stunning pics but because they are willing to share their talent with you also. You join groups of a common interest then refine to your own personality and style likings, adding them as contacts.
Those who cultivate contacts seem to get more viable input and move ahead in the art much quicker. Most claim they post on the net because they want to learn, as opposed to accumulating "views". And yes print a pic and sit downtown on the street with it you will get thousands of views, but someone gazing doesnt mean much.
Imagine living in a town of 19,000. You know every person. Go downtown Sat afternoon and each one is , hi how are ya?...fine and you?.....you would be insane in 30 minutes. Lots would get missed and all those misses would cause a resentment which can be seen right here in this thread already. In real life you choose your friends carefully and don't see why it should be any different in this Flickr universe.
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And back to the 3,000m contact. For those of us that have more, will Flickr delete randomly until we are down to 3,000? Is there a tood that might help us in this? I did not grow my 3,800+ contacts overnight, so what is the time limit we have to prune it down?
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You don't have to prune it down unless you want to add more.
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loupiote: this doesn't apply to reverse contacts, so no change.
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i think the 3000 contact limit is a great way to cut down on spammy behavior. if someone REALLY wanted to closely follow more thank 3000 photostreams, couldn't they just bookmark them in their browser?
oh, and Shanoble can also feel free to delete me as his "friend".
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I dont have a problem paying more for a platinum account or something else like that.. This month I am having some of my published in a national mag that is going to be seen by millions of people and I just called the publisher to remove the link to flickr from there.. The last thing I need is thousands of people trying to add me.
At the time i added my flickr link to the artcle.. I thought hey.. here is some of my work in the printed mag.. and they will link back to flickr and so they can see my work.. it is a win / win for everyone.. I don't mine linking to myspace most of the time.. but flickr is better for me because I am photographer.
I have only had my account for like 3 months or something.. and i have almost 8000 contacts..
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richard_in_vegas edited this topic 30 months ago.
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Sergio Lubezky: you don't have to delete any -- unless you want to add someone in the future, in which case you'll get an error saying you are over the limit. We're thinking about a tool to get people down under the limit if they request it (by deleting their X most recent contacts - there's no case-by-case selection). if this is something that would help you, please post again and let us know.
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The last thing I need is thousands of people trying to add me.
Why? You can have as many people add you as a contact that want to. The limit is on how many YOU add as contact, not the reverse.
Congrats on your publication, too.
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Omsel a contact in flickr and contact in real life are very different.
however
I was a college professor for about 5 to 6 year.. I made not see them all of my students for example on a single saturday night..
but when I do go out.. and I see them.. 99% of them time they remember me, and know my name ( Mr. Young).. and sometimes.. I am running late for something.. and that is when you always see a student or someone you know..
and for the life of me.. I can't remember most of there names, but I can remember question they asked in class or something else about them..So.. in vegas.. a town of almost 2 million people.. it is easy to know 7000 people or more in person.. on the internet.. it is easy to know that many people.
My cell phone has about 800 numbers in it.. my ICQ/AIM/MSN has over 4000 contacts on it..
We all have different levels of what we define as friend / family / contact and other things.. I don't like the word friend.. and most of them are really contacts.. my flickr does have a way for me to organize my contact ( work related, models I have worked with, models I want to work with, other photographer, travel buddies, party buddies, vegas friends) so I add them or they add me all as friends. Not the best system but it was working until this morning.
Limiting the number of contacts to 3000 is just bad policy.. they trying to take a fix some problems by bad policy and that is not really going to help it is just going to delay the problem.
When I click on my contact list, or when I try to use the API for some custom stuff.. I know how long it take to access the database and get the information..I bet that is what a lot of this comes down to..but capping the max number of contacts is just a temp fix.. soon the problem will be back.. and they will limit it to 2000, contacts and 60 tags, then 1000 contacts and 50 tages.. until you can only have 10 contact and 1 tag..
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Well.. I would rather have a tool.. that deletes people who have not log-in or made comments or looked at my account in the past 45 days or something like that..
Sergio Lubezky: you don't have to delete any -- unless you want to add someone in the future, in which case you'll get an error saying you are over the limit. We're thinking about a tool to get people down under the limit if they request it (by deleting their X most recent contacts - there's no case-by-case selection). if this is something that would help you, please post again and let us know.
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Suppose you have 19000 now like some people do, do you have to delete all one by one to be normal again? Thats a awful lot of clicking. :-)
Stewart: Can you push someone to extend the "Contacts" API? Right now its only possible to get a list with the API thing.
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 Stewart said earlier: We're thinking about a tool to get people down under the limit if they request it (by deleting their X most recent contacts - there's no case-by-case selection). if this is something that would help you, please post again and let us know.
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> Stewart says:
> this doesn't apply to reverse contacts, so no change.
thanks for the clarification.
Someone wrote:
> The last thing I need is thousands of people trying to add me.
on the contrary: people add you is they like your work, and this way, they will get a chance to see any new photo that you post in the "Recent Photos from your Contacts" section.
so i really don't mind the hundreds of people who add me as contact every month. the only thing i don't like in all the junk mail that it generates in my flickr mailbox (one mail for every member who add me in their contacts, and no way to turn off those ennoying notifications).
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For all the people that keep complaining about their 'fans' that want to see their photos/be contacts...if you were paying attention, as many people can call you contacts as they want. Meaning, unlimited. You are only limited by people YOU call contacts. And I know nobody is keeping track of 3000+ people. It's impossible. Just because you want to add a bunch of people that you never communicate with, doesn't mean I want to have the site run slower (assuming that is a legitimate concern). The purpose of you having them as a contact is so you go and visit their images, not to be part of a popularity contest. Get over it already.
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well.. since 80% of my work is topless or even suggestive in nature.. a reverse contact is not to usefully....let me think about this for a sec.. is there anyway to allow people to see topless work.. and they not be my contact.. maybe I am looking at this wrong..
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richard_in_vegas :
yes: if all your photos are added to a group, then all the people who subscribed to that group will see your photos. even if they are marked as "private".
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@Steward
Yes, I think that a tool would be very useful. This way I could delete as many contacts as I wanted from my list (and I do understand that they would be the latest added, non selective) but still much easier than removing one by one.
If you need a beta tester for such a tool, please consider me.
Thank you.
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Yea.. that is my plan tonight :-(
But I am never sure how to create the groups.. if I should make them private or public..I am very careful about what I do.. so I guess I should make everything private.
yes: if all your photos are added to a group, then all the people who subscribed to that group will see your photos. even if they are marked as "private".
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Is it possible that we can get some sort of autoreply message like this set up for when people add us as contacts.
Dear "new person making me a contact." Thank you for making me a contact. I don't want to seem rude, but regretably I cannot add you as a contact back because it is not allowed by Flickr. Thanks for checking out my work, but I won't be checking out yours.
Don't worry though, it's for the betterment of you and the community.
Love,
Tom
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I have really only added maybe 50 people as contacts, the rest I add as they add me. It's a courtesy. Since some of my images are apparently NSFW it makes sense to let people see them by adding them as a friend. I get 50 people plus who add me as a contact daily and i'm assuming it's because they enjoy my photography -- too bad flickr has decided that no more than 3,000 people can have the access they want -- especially because a certain portion of them pay for such a service. flickr should reconsider this new implementation.
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What Thomas Hawk said.
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As the person who did most of the engineering for the contacts limit (Don't shoot!) I can very much attest to the fact that this was done for performance reasons.
I spent a lot of time looking at accounts with more contacts than the proposed limits. For accounts with more than 3,000 contacts, many pages take longer to load (sometimes it takes a few minutes!) and we have a lot of very beefy servers. When any of these pages are hit, it's easy to see a corresponding spike in load on our servers as well, so not only is my experience degraded, but so is the experience of anyone else using Flickr at the same time.
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Myles! (staff) edited this topic 30 months ago.
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merkley???: Again, an unlimited number of people can count you as a contact, and as proposed above, if you'd like to give that many people access to your private photos, please consider using a GuestPass or creating a group.
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Bad idea on limiting contacts, need to find a way to scale better rather then give up and limit users. Just want add my 2 cents as a paying member.
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Steve Mavs Fan edited this topic 30 months ago.
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I spent a lot of time looking at accounts with more contacts than the proposed limits. For accounts with more than 3,000 contacts, many pages take longer to load (sometimes it takes a few minutes!)
Pure BS.
I have over 5,000 contacts and the speed and load of my pages are fine and certainly have *never* taken a "few minutes" to load.
There is no relation to contacts and how fast your photo page loads.
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Ok Myles, maybe let's just change the autoreply message then to:
Dear "new person making me a contact." Thank you for making me a contact. I don't want to seem rude, but regretably I cannot add you as a contact back because it is not allowed by Flickr. Thanks for checking out my work, but I won't be checking out yours.
Oh by the way, I'll give you a guest pass so that you can still see my private photos, but I still won't be looking at yours. Toodles.
Don't worry though, it's for the betterment of you and the community.
Love,
Tom
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How about?
Dear "new person making me a contact". Thank you for making me a contact. I am adding you as a contact so that you don't think I'm rude, but, truth be told, I already have 4000 contacts, so the chances are pretty much nil that I will ever look at your photos again.
Just wanted to let you know.
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To
@ Shanoble
@Sol Lange
@Sergio Lubezky
@Merkley
Please, be so intelligent to remove me from Your contact-lists! (Otherwise I have to block You!)
I never didn"t see nobody of You on my own page.... (Well, only @Sol Lange once upon time - many-many months ago!- made a fav) and..........
really, it's offensive for me to be just an EMPTY NUMBER......
Well, yes, to be an AMOUNT or to be an AUDIENCE.............
I am a human being....... well, I am a unique human being (as everyone of us!) and....... Never - a NUMBER in Your list of Dead Souls!!!! (Well, You name those Empty lists just Your own AUDIENCE and Your FANS).......... Sorry, for me that is just a sort of fraud........ Well, a pure manipulation!
Please, look!
According to Answers.com, Contact is - CONNECTION or INTERACTION. COMMUNICATION.
Visual observation. Association; RELATIONSHIP.
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Well, any contact - that is always a dialogue. And this dialogue can exist only mutually. Reciprocally......
However, I must admit, as a contact You are just total Emptiness. Zero! In fact, You are the "stars""of pure manipulations with "Dead Souls"!
While the idea of contact is - to be active. Well,
to make faves, to write comments, to have a
true interest to the photostream of an
other person......
It"s elementary unpoliteness to add me (and him and her and so on) as an EMPTY NUMBER to Your so-called "contact-Lists"
(And usually I am blocking such "popular persons".....)
So.......... For me this decision of Flickr-staff is totally
humanistic, intelligent and absolutely EXISTENSIAL. Why?
Because that is a decision to
limit the "number" of the Dead-Lists
of so-called "fans", that never existed at all!
(As well to protect all intelligent users against Your
really not so very "Comme il faut activity"!)
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Dr Tao edited this topic 29 months ago.
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Myles personally I am not upset at you at all. I can only speak for my self. I know your just doing your job. Some of my employees have worked on U2.com, Apple.com, and tons of other top sites doing all different types of work.
Check this out you might like it..
Anyways. but to the topic. I noticed also when I click on my contact list also how long it was taking. I have just see tons of bad policy or bad design done over the years or shity unchecked code and as I get older ( now I am 31) it just upsets me more to see things like this. I knew a couple of people over at myspace that help code it up and they told me about all the problem and how there was no easy way to fix it mostly because of policy, but some of it was poor design.
I just wish instead of capping us at 3000 user.. there was another option.. I really like flickr..
Normally with technology ( moore law) you can think things wille grow ( myspace 300 friends.. from 10 or 20).. GMail used to be 2gig.. now it is like 3 gigs.. So to see this get smaller is just upsetting..
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I already have 4000 contacts, so the chances are pretty much nil that I will ever look at your photos again.
Actually Brenda, it pretty much depends on them and how much they post. The more active they are the more likely I am to see their work. I check "My contacts" photos virtually every single day. I've got over 18,000 favorites on Flickr and I honestly love every single one of them. I've spent hundreds if not thousands of hours checking out my contacts photos. I don't necesarily fave or comment on everyone unless I like their stuff. But the 18,000 faves I've made are evidence of my activity on others contacts stream.
Flickr shows the most recently uploaded photos from my contacts first, so if when I check their photos out they recently uploaded then I'll see it. Some days I go back as far as 25 pages deep into the streams looking for stuff. While I certainly don't see all there stuff I see a pretty broad sample of their stuff (unless they stop posting or post very infrequently).
If a new contact is particularly interesting I may also take the time to load their stream in Flickrleech and do an even more exhaustive review of their stuff. And if I really, really, like it make them a friend. But part of this process is having new contacts added to the flow so that I can find their work. Maybe what I need to do is craft my own message appologizing to the 2,000 or so people I end up dropping and then use steeev's flickr multi mailer to let them all know that I'm not being rude that their being dropped is being mandated by flickr and point them to this thread.
Still, who should I drop? A-F? or S-Z?
There is no reason to limit my contacts. Saying that it slows *my* page loads is a BS answer. And even if that were the case then fine, I suffer with slower loading pages.
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Thomas Hawk edited this topic 30 months ago.
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Thomas, then you are the exception.
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Thomas, then you are the exception.
Yes, so the most active Flickr users get screwed the most.
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Thomas Hawk edited this topic 30 months ago.
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i will look into the guest pass option. sounds like a lot of work.
Dr. Tao == crazy rant there, have no idea who you are or how you became my contact, i certainly didn't make the first move. i'm too lazy to even post to groups.
but yeah, i think Dr. Tao summed up the sentiments of those to whom this kind of seemingly backwards policy appeals. weird man.
anyway, how about making a reciprocation exclusion? in other words, spammers are all out there clicking their fingers off trying to build a database of potential victims while AWESOME HANDSOME TALENTED people like myself and thomas hawk are merely reciprocating -- seems like the two things are miles apart and therefore should be considered as two different groups with completely different intentions.
holy crap i'm as smart as i am handsome -- almost.
anyway, just do it my way and thank me later. saves a lot of time. i'm sooo right.
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By the way if you want to check out some kick ass photos of my contacts here's the collection of 18,000+ faves here:
www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/favorites/
If you look through this collection you will see that almost all of these are of extremely high quality.
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AWESOME HANDSOME TALENTED people like myself and thomas hawk
I like that part.
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also -- once again -- ditto exactly on what Thomas Hawk said. I do flickr the same way except i rss my 20 favorite photogs -- but i use the latest photos pages all the time.
seriously flickr, you are screwing up on this one. it's ok to admit you're wrong. we will still like you.
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Saying that it slows *my* page loads is a BS answer. And even if that were the case then fine, I suffer with slower loading pages.
I don't purport to know how flickr actually works, but at a guess it slows loading of your pages for anyone who visits them, because anytime someone calls up your page, flickr has to check whether or not they're on your extensive contact list. and the processing power required to do that isn't available elsewhere.
so (quite possibly) not just *your* pages are affected.
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when you fav a photo, does it automatically add the author in your contacts?
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