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In the spirit of fairness, I also deleted one of my photos from the pool as not sufficiently "empty":
  
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
While these are images of empty chairs, they are not your shots of empty chairs... there are lots of groups to share your drawings, paintings, collages, or photos of other people's art work - this is not one of them.
                           
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
from the League of the Empty Chair mission statement:
"We are not interested in just any photo of any chair/stool/place to put your ass, but ones that are Empty and/or interestingly OUT OF PLACE."
They don't have to be moody or sad, but a certain spirit of displaced/misplacedness is required.
So, that said, the following shots, while very nice, don't quite live up to the LEC credo - institutional chairs that just happen to be unoccupied in a cafeteria or at work, park benches in good repair, and chairs in people's homes that nobody happens to be sitting in with no particular "emptiness" other than not being used at the moment don't count.
                
Just to let you all know I'm not just being a jerk, I removed this one of mine from the pool for the same reasons as listed above:
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hello, I've only just joined and figured I'd introduce myself with 2 shots. I either one doesn't work for you, please just let me know, as I want to fully grasp the concept of the empty chair.
bye bye!
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
They look fine to me - I know a lot of members of the group have been taking the "empty chair" concept to simply mean a chair that's not being used... certainly the empty auditorium and cafeteria shots, for example, are right on the edge of what this group is all about and probably shouldn't be submitted at all. That said, I think most members get the idea, and I do appreciate you checking in.
Posted 72 months ago.
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There appears to be a lot of pictures in the pool that aren't meeting the criteria for the group ( I may even be a contributor ) is there some way to vote pictures out of the pool?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I hope people will be more self-policing, but anything really extravagantly "off" I try to remove from the pool... it's often very subjective, I realize, and don't really want to turn this into a "competition" pool.
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Ditto what greynotgrey said, both last week and today..... I'll occasionally snip ones that are too far afield, but for the most part, people seem to be doing ok. Then again, I'm even more lax than greynotgrey - I think this one:
www.flickr.com/photos/seraphimc/94436384/
was fine.
Originally posted 72 months ago.
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I think the two of you are and have been doing an outstanding job. It certainly seems to be a much more popular group now than when I gave up the reins. I think the key point that a lot of pictures are lacking is the sense of out-of-placed-ness. Vacant chairs are easy. Everyone probably has one or two right now in their house. An Empty Chair is a much more elusive beast.
Originally posted 72 months ago.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
This is a very good point, BullyRook - it would be nice if people keep that in mind when deciding whether to post here or in one of the other less specific "chair" groups on Flickr.
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hoping mine is okay..just joined thinking i had three that fitted, narrowed it down to one and now i'm getting paranoid;)
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Looking through the group pool there seems to be a huge number of photos of chairs which happen to be empty but which don't seem to qualify as examples of an 'empty chair'.
There are also some photos of chairs which qualify as 'out of place' but which look, suspiciously, as if they've been put there for the purpose of taking a photo of an 'empty chair'.
Surely one should be on the look-out for chairs which qualify, not for places which would qualify if there were a chair there.
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It's kinda like the word "should". Stare at it long enough, and it definitely just looks like it's spelled incorrectly, no matter how correct your brain knows it is.
Look at any vacant chair image long enough, and it seems bereft of human occupancy, and becomes Empty, even in a crowd of other chairs, even if it's a sofa.
That said, this is definitely not a group about chairs attempting to reproduce:
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just don't fit the group.
This one:
is questionable, but entertaining, so I'm inclined to leave it.
If a better, less prurient reason is needed - in general, it seems to me that it can't be "Empty" if it's not ready to be sat upon. ;)
Originally posted 71 months ago.
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miscelena edited this topic 71 months ago.
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Yes, I better understanding I have. I had some doubt before I posted and should have asked before I did. Thanks for deleting (no worries). I'm having just a bit of difficulty seeing a chair in a photo of a bunch of 9's tho - I reckon I should give it some time, maybe.... Thanks again! :-)
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
stacked chairs hold one another, and as such are by definition not empty...
   
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do these fit the group?
and if they are, how can I send them to the group (sorry, I'm not expert)?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
Yes, these do fit in the group... to post to the group pool, simply join the group, and on the photo page click the "add to group" dropdown.
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Could you please do not make such a long lines because it's impossible to read.
It's annoying and feels like it's done with this purpose in mind.
Why otherwise?
And you definitely have to change the name of the group to add word 'abandoned' or alike.
Otherwise it's too misleading.
Originally posted 70 months ago.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
Well, you see, they don't have to be abandonded. That's where the subjectivity comes in. They just need to be out-of-place, disused, or otherwise communicating "emptiness".
As far as the long lines go, do you mean the page layout is too wide? There's nothing on this page breaking the Flickr layout I can see... if you mean we use too many words, there's not much I can do for you there. you're allowed to use as many words in LEC as you want.
:)
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The long lines BG was referring to make the reader have to slide the slider thing
(at the bottom of the page) to the right to be able to read the whole line. It doesn't wrap at the
usual place, which normally is done automatically. I doubt you
are doing it on purpose to annoy anyone - but it is irritating - and at the end of the long line
the reader can't see the picture you refer to without sliding the slider back to
the left to see the beginning. I think this happened because WAY up there, at the top of this
page, you have long lines of photos that set the margins too wide. If you can edit those
long lines so there are only five or six photos per line, I think the margins will re-set
and the whole page will be easier to read.
I have purposely broken the lines of this post, because it does go on and on and on if I don't!
No -- can't be you use too many words! The concept of this group isn't easy for some to
understand. It is not a dumping place for chair pictures, but a gathering of shots
that tug at your insides because the chair is empty, or because the chair is empty in a place
where it tugs at your insides. It is possible to stage such a shot and get that effect, but
if the shot LOOKS like it was staged, the shot is unsuccessful.
I love the concept. I think you're doing a great job keeping the group's photostream true
to its purpose!
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unprose edited this topic 70 months ago.
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We can still have empty "chairs" - not just "an empty chair" right? I am new and want to get it correct
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
unprose -
Thanks for the explanation, I added a space between each photo, I think that should work a bit better. let me know if it doesn't. I was under the impression only a string of unbroken characters would force the margins, good to know.
karrelbuck-
yes, you can have multiple chairs in one shot - as long as they're empty or the focus of the shot is an empty chair. Stacked chairs hold one another, though, so it does get a bit tricky. As I've said elsewhere, it's pretty subjective but use your discretion.
Originally posted 70 months ago.
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Hey, this is my first posting to the group and I'm not exactly sure if it fits the criteria. Let me know if there are any problems? It's a chair, it's out of place (i think), it's very sad and lonely, it's empty, but it's folded.
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Not really an empty chair - but if you'd unfolded it, it'd have been perfect.
Just my $.02.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I agree, though it is a very nice shot.
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I really like the concept of your group, It is funny. I just put 4 pictures of empty chairs in the pool but I'm not sure if the respond or not to your criteria. Up to me the 3 first one do, but I'm not sure for the last one. For that last one, a "terrasse" with empy chairs is loneliness and sad...
Thanks for your comments.
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After a second reading, I think that the the second one ( the black and white) is the only one who could stay in the pool. But when I am looking the photos already in your pool, I have an other feeling.
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I think I understand this group, and I also think it's a really cool concept. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for something suitable. By the way, this shot probably isn't in the spirit of the pool, is it?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
Malou - the 2nd certainly is the best, you're on the right track.
arkadyrenko - it's a great exploaration of form, but not really. Maybe if the seat of the chair was used insteadof the back... nice composition, either way.
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Just added my two shots, I think theyre in the spirit of the pool...but then with everyone questioning their submissions Im not so sure!
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Thank you for making first 3 postings shorter. At first they were posted as single long lines.
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hi!
Is this shot appropriate to the pool?
I know it's just a empty garden bench, but the point is that it is facing the street and turning its back to the garden and the sea, that's why it's always empty.
I'm just not sure that's enough.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
with that explanation, it's great! Thanks for checking.
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I believe my one fits the group.
The only one I have at the moment though....
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WOW! There is a group for everything! I came across this group in Flickr's "Groups weve noticed" section on the main group page. I was interested as I thought I had an image for the group. Having read through this thread I am now not so sure.
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My MT chair is actually a sculpture by artist Bill Woodrow. According to this, his idea was to have a sculpture that was only completed conceptually and formally when a person sat on it. No one is sitting on it at the moment. It is thus MT. It is not complete. It is gluteus maximus challenged!
By the way, you probably have to be English speaking to understand that 'MT' (em-tee) sounds like Empty.
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Hi Bullyrock..I have to correct you on one count..the stack of chairs..the top chair is actually EMPTY!
So, there is an empty chair there...
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After reading this, I sure hope I never need the services of a shrink, I am going to loose a fortune in the first few months arguing with him/her when they say "ok sit in the empty chair "........ It is going to go downhill from there on in. I just know it!
SO in keeping with the theme, as my grasp on reality seems to be slipping, does this qualify?
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hey i just got into this group and have posted something. please let me know if it doesn't fit that you guys are looking for. thanks!
this is a very interesting group though and would love to contribute but yeah...would like to know if i fit the bill :)
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Wow, there is a paradox Grytr... if the sculpture is only complete if it is being sat on, and on completion it becomes a chair... then when it is not being sat on, it is not complete, therefore not a chair... finally meaning that it could never be an empty chair! (I would still allow it though myself).
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I don't see it as a paradox - It's a sculpture that can be used as a chair... not a chair per se. If I sit on a car, does that make the car a chair? NO.
:D
After Simplicus - works for me.
Posted 68 months ago.
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after reading this thread. I got unsure:
is this an empty chair?
Posted 68 months ago.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
pretty arty, but blown-out light doesn't "unchair" it. Neat shot.
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Okay..once again, you have in your pics which you consider not empty chairs a stack of chairs..the last chair on top is indeed an empty chair, so WHY isn't this considered an empty chair???????????????
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Presumably because the chair on top of the stack can't be sat in. To be used as a chair, it needs to be unstacked. So it isn't so much "empty" as "unavailable."
I'm sure glad I'm not an admin of this group, though. Differentiating between empty and vacant chairs is a lot like determining whether a single person is alone or lonely just by looking.
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Hee! Great metaphor, Andy.
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Ahhh, not so grasshopper..have you ever been to a wedding after most have left and you are the hopeless drunk person with a few hangers oners? Well, let's just say sitting on a stack of chairs can be done. It's not elegantly done, but can be done!
Posted 67 months ago.
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Is an empty bench memorializing someone that will never sit in it fitting for this group?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
andyscamera - yup, that's about the size of it.
Honestly, the pool has been pretty good lately and everyone seems to be self-moderating very nicely so I try not to be too ham-fisted about it.
kptyson - sure, why not?
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It is empty and it is a chair. Or - perhaps I should say they are empty and they are chairs. They are not in the wrong place but outside a very poor and grotty coffee shop in the backstreets of old Islamic Cairo. To me they wait in hope that somone will sit on them - and in this location they might wait a long time.
So is an old chair on a picturesque wall outside a thirdworld coffee shop more acceptable than if I tool one in Starbucks in Sydney?
I am very confused by this discussion.
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Jenny: You're not the only one! Try not to think too hard about it, and go with your gut. My gut says that shot is not only gorgeous, but perfect for the group. I'd have to see the Sydney Starbucks shot to give my gut a go at that one. ; )
(Is that enough alliteration for everyone?)
Posted 67 months ago.
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hi there, I have just added two images that I think fit the criteria to your pool, hoping they are ok.. some interesting shots on this group, cool concept as well, I like the whole emptiness thing.
www.flickr.com/photos/psionicwill/324731495/
www.flickr.com/photos/psionicwill/320720152
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it seems to me that the key is an empty chair that is NOT meant to be sat in being that it is a location that chairs to not normally visit. think an old chair in the middle of a river.......i think.
is that right? :-)
Posted 66 months ago.
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Is this an okay picture?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirsasha/323977439/
The chairs aren't really meant to be sat upon (they are part of the "exhibit" at The Cloisters), but I thought they kind of fit the mood of the group. If not, no problem.
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Hi :-) I'd rather ask than flood, so... would this one fit (I know it cannot look "ready to be sat upon")?... If not, I'll try harder, I still hold it that this pool has a pretty interesting concept. Cheers !
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
redshoesgirl - yes and no - though what you describe sounds like it would fit in the group, I don;'t think the group is quite that exclusive.
psionicwill - personally, I wouldn't put these shots in the group mostly because chairs for sale are empty intentionally (and perhaps only temporarily if they are purchased), and beach chairs are only coincidentally empty, with their occupants momentarily out of frame... however, if you think that these shots are about the emptiness of the chairs, then include them. That's the central point here, whether or not the shot is about an empty chair, as opposed to a chari that happens to be empty. Vague, perhaps, but such is the poetic nature of the empty chair.
lxelkhan - to me, this is a perfect inclusion. I know miscelena doesn't think broken chairs count, but like I said to psionicwill, the goal here is to show chairs that communicate emptiness - that the chair still retains its "chairness" helps a lot, if it was just a broken cushion, say, or was upside down, it might not be as appropriate.
As in all things, follow your instincts & use your best judgement. If you think the chair(s) communicate emptiness, then this is where they belong.
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Hope this one fits the group. Please let me know.
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... you people are way too anal about what is a chair and the entire concept of "chairness." Ludwig Wittgenstein would have loved it ...
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
If you recall correctly, Wittgenstein also had a lot to say about socially constructed acts of judging - not hasty, but rather, necessary.
;)
tom911r7 - perfect.
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Wittgenstein had very little to say about chairs.
I think 'empty chair' is tautologous.
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you know what ?
I just LOVE this group !
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FTR: a chair filled with snow is not empty.
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Well, fuckitty-fuck, because the one remaining shot I had left that I humbly hoped might stay in this pool, shows 2 Adirondacks covered with snow. This is all getting so zen-master in its exclusivity, I doubt I will ever make a photo that does fit the bill. I should really take my Adirondacks out, huh?
ps, @Miscelena, a picturesquely grotty-looking empty café chair fits the bill, because it's in an exotic country(?), but a grotty-looking empty café chair
in the UK presumably would be empty because of poor trade, and therefore deemed unsuitable. Is this some sort of cultural inverted snobbery, or what?
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would this suffice..???
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
E Welthorpe - actually, Wittgenstein did talk about chairs at several points throughout his career, but for the purposes of our discussion here, I think that "On Certainty" is the most relevant.
That said, regarding your statement "I think 'empty chair' is tautologous"... If you mean within the context of this group, then yes. Social construction of meaning within a specific group's rules of language and all that. A chair's 'chairness" is not contingent on its use, though, so outside the context of the pool the statement that "empty chair is tautologous" has no meaning. Your statement only has meaning in the sense that the chair's emptiness should be self-evident, at least within the context of "chairness" and "emptiness" as discussed here - especially what is meant by "empty".
FTR, I didn't see this photo of a chair with snow in it from bootpainter...
I don't necessarily agree that a chair cannot have anything on it at all to be considered empty. An abandoned chair in the woods with some leaves on it is not the same as a chair full of leaves... I've seen photos in this pool of chairs with a bit of snow on them and don't see how that makes them not empty in the spirit of the pool... but like I said, I didn't see the photo so I'll reserve judgement on that one.
Personally, i'd rather see a hundred photos of chairs in the snow than one more cafe chair, regardless of how exotic or quaint that cafe may be. Empty chairs in cafes and restaurants strike me as coincidentally empty, though a photo that evokes mood well can create a sense of emptiness. It's not necessary to be accurate in the documentary sense, I don't think - it's more about the impression the shot gives. I know miscelena has her own opinion in these matters, which is why I tell people to use their own best judgement and I only remove shots from the pool that really don't fit.
jomarifotography - to me, this is a portrait of a dog. Sorry.
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I'm new in these parts and for all I know the admins will be kicking my pictures out already. But I'm prepared to go out on a limb and say that these three pictures from strelac.2007 are definitely not of chairs, empty, vacant or otherwise:
www.flickr.com/photos/94373569@N00/370639361/in/pool-thel...
www.flickr.com/photos/94373569@N00/408766390/in/pool-thel...
www.flickr.com/photos/94373569@N00/412438245/in/pool-thel...
On a more general note... I like a group where the theme is rigidly adhered to. Too many groups obsess about how big they are and dilute themselves to the point of pointlessness as a result.
Looking through a pool should be an experience and it is intensified if there is a unity to the submissions.
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Cleaning the pool as you typed this... strelac posted discussion topic that was unrelated, also.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
thanks for the heads up, Dave, and nice work, miscelena.
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BTW: swings and hammocks are not chairs. Agreed?
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You might have removed strelac.2007's non chair pictures but they've come back pronto and with two others of banknotes added as interest.
There's a new feature added to groups that means admins can set the pool so that new pictures are queued awaiting approval.
I'd recommend it for a pool like this where as well as obviously inappropriate photos such as these there are other well-intentioned-but-not-quite-right shots submitted.
I for one wouldn't mind if a photo I'd submitted was rejected and if every time I visited the pool it was purer it would be for the greater good.
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If you want me (or greynotgrey) to approve every photo, you also will be ok with waiting a week or more for that to happen? This is an active group. I'm not keen on the idea of moderating every shot submitted. The pool gets cleaned on occasion.
Strelac.2007 has clearly noticed that his photos were removed. I'll drop him a line and ask him to cease submitting inappropriate photos. If it happens again, I'll ban him. It's that simple.
Have a nice day.
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Miscelena, I like your approach to dealing with inappropriate photos.
It is one I will endeavour to emulate!
I know you're bound to be busy,what with the occasional pool-cleaning ; ) but did I miss a response to the point I was trying to make, re empty cafe chairs, 5 weeks ago? It just seemed to me that what I had supposed were fairly strict rules, were being relaxed because of the picturesque quality of the shot in question.
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I'm not busy with pool-cleaning, I'm busy with life! ; )
Sorry I missed your question, but I have no idea which grotty chairs you're comparing - would you post thumbnails of the pics in question, and I can try to guess at what I might have thought over a month ago, but can't even remotely recall now? *grin*
(FTR: my snow comment was a quick opinion item, not a response to any particular chair.)
Without seeing the shots, I can tell you that GreyNotGrey is the strict one - I'm pretty much the type that says: "It's empty and a chair. Check."
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Oh! I re-read a good part of this list, just to see if there were grotty chairs I'd missed, and indeed there were. Grotty *vacant* chairs from anywhere are good. I'm sure by now we've got some Starbucks chairs in the pool somewhere.
( :::: goes to search pool :::: )
Oo... and in fact we do. Several. Not very grotty at all, most of them, but yup, they're there. You can decide (and I'm sure GreyNotGrey will weigh in) whether you think they look vacant enough to suit the pool. I deleted one that was more car accident than chair, but left the rest.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
"BTW: swings and hammocks are not chairs. Agreed?"
Agreed! you have to draw the line SOMEWHERE.
And yeah, busy with life will get you every time.
To be fair, Miscelena, there are some things you don't approve of that don't bug me much, but yes, the institutional/cafe/restaurant shots I could definitely live without. Particularly chain stores.
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wdpTN [deleted] says:
I am feeling some chair hostility.... Interesting read here. I found the whole concept very amusing. Especially about the long Novel size post and how to use the sliding bar at the end of the screen. LOL. Interesting breed you chair people.
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LOL "Can't we all just get along?!" "Oh, just sit your ass down!"
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/Users/anthonyabaca/Desktop/Murphys Red Chairs .jpg will this fit in. and how do I down load this photo to Lof EC?
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Does this picture qualify? There's a chair in the shot, sitting atop a trash bin on the street. It looks pretty lonely to me.
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TBAC: I'd have to say that your shot looks like perfectly happy, ready to be used chairs that just happen to have been rained on. I'm not sure they look empty/forgotten/abandoned.
dM.nyc: Well, I'd have to say no, it doesn't really fit into the original LotEC founder's vision, because this group isn't just for *discarded* chairs... it's for *empty* chairs.
GreyNotGrey? Your thoughts?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I disagree on the discarded chairs part, many of the chairs in the pool are discarded. The subtle difference between discarded and abandoned is more of a hot button issue with you than me.
Heck, I posted a discarded chair today, myself. That said, I think the discarded chair in this shot would look more forlorn if it were next to the trash bins, but that's almost impossibly subjective.
I've been pretty busy lately, sorry I didn't see TBAC's post before it was edited... so no comment there. My apologies.
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greynotgrey edited this topic 62 months ago.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/hleung/476764386/
Does this fit in the pool?
Originally posted 62 months ago.
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HKmPUA edited this topic 62 months ago.
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I added this shot to the pool yesterday, but now it's gone. Out of curiosity, for future Empty Chair observing, and since it's difficult to come to solid conclusions from the back-and-forth arguments on here as to what's a valid Empty Chair, what qualities of Empty Chairhood does this violate?
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HKmPUA: I wouldn't think so. It's not a shot of a chair, it's a color study. Nothing about the chair says 'abandoned' or 'forlorn' or 'out of place'. *shrug* Just my two cents.
d727272: Sorry, since the group's gotten so big, it's nearly impossible to keep up with the notes on why photos are deleted. This one, well, I think I clicked it out of the group as another multiple-chairs-are-usually-not-"out-of-place" shot. Beach chairs at night aren't 'abandoned', they're just not being used at the moment. Tomorrow those chairs will not be empty. Hope that makes sense?
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miscelena edited this topic 62 months ago.
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The discarded/abandoned issue is one that may need elaborating on, if anyone can be bothered. Also, I have to come clean/seek guidance. The last empty chair I posted(see below) had a companion, upside-down, and possibly drunk-and-disorderly. The pair had clearly been dumped, on a piece of ground beside a nice, big,private garden, and, tellingly, very close to the previous parking space of a skip.
I chose to crop out chair no. 2, as it didn't fit the bill. Should I also have ignored the empty smug-looking chair?
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I like it. Looks "out of place" to me. : )
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I agree with Miscelena on all 3 (can you believe it?) - certainly HKmPUA:'s is a shot of a chair, but it really is more about the fields of colour & surface textures than the object itself. I'd say the wall is just as important int eh shot as the chair, it's really more about the colour/light/surface interaction between the two.
Similarly, d727272's shot is clearly chairs that are still functional and no other sense of out-of-placeness is evident... It's moody, but doesn't communicate "emptiness".
But bootpainter's is golden.
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I still think that the distinction between "abandoned" and "discarded" is less important to explaining "the empty chair", I'd go more along the line of BullyRook's original "out-of-placeness" rather than get into a semantic argument about varying distinctions between levels of non-functionality & ownership.
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Well, I'm going to go ahead and post a pic I took. I hope it fits the group, I *think* I understand. I'd post a little one here but good grief the thread already long enough! If it's not right, My Apologies. Please remove at your leisure. Thanks so much for the opportunity!
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darn! i think i just added two that aren't worthy...:-( lol
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Those are nip and tuck clear skies and tail winds. You might want to check here for archetypal examples.
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Sylvie- I don't think the PTB here will accept those chairs as being empty. I have already explained that those chairs are occupied by ghosts watching Julius La Rosa on the Arthur Godfrey show.
My only defense is that they will not be able to prove that there is anyone in the car.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
Until our ectoplasmic detection systems arrive in the mail, I think you're OK. They're supposed to be able to detect signature vibratory systems in digital reproduction, anyway. You never know, we've been tricked before.
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You people bear a heavy responsibility.
I don't envy you.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
as long as nobody smudges the chalk circles, we'll probably survive.
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I'm growing fond of this group. Please visit here
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grey- Your ectoplanatorious device will not work. I photoshoped the ghosts out of the picture. Otherwise I'd have never gotten permission to post the picture..
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Best you don't listen to him grey... the device is clearly working fine if this thread is picking up comments from dannysoar - we all know he was wiped out 12 million years ago by the meteors, or the ice age, or a hefty dose of the cl@p.
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Hello to all, ok so i'm new to this whole photography and flickr thing so excuse me if i go about this all wrong. How would you categorize a headstone that is a bench? The idea of the bench is to be sat upon but who would sit upon a headstone in a cemetery? Would this fit in this category or somewhere else?
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
I'd say that's a headstone that can be used as a bench, not a chair.
You can sit on a curb - does that make the sidewalk a chair? Potential function alone does not define form.
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I just posted a photo... A lot of empty chairs, but there ARE some people in the picture looking for a place to sit. Nobody is actually sitting down yet, so the chairs are all empty ...
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PS.. I really am Grey.
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fotozon edited this topic 61 months ago.
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greynotgrey [deleted] says:
Not really - the chairs are clearly in use.
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