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strobist 3:32am, 19 July 2011
The assignment post is here.
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It's just Mark 7 years ago
Ahhh! One for the introverts!
Great idea! :-)
Dre Lo 7 years ago
Great idea! Time to do some research on my community!
reflective clover [deleted] 7 years ago
So although there doesnt have to be people, is it allowed to have peoPle for context or somesort of backdrop with the object being the primary focus...?
stellarviewer Posted 7 years ago. Edited by stellarviewer (member) 7 years ago
Great idea Dave, I like it!!!

Being a bit of an introvert I just need to put on my thinking cap and find an idea and the time to do it now.

1700GMT is actually 1300 or 1:00P.M. in Eastern Daylight Time.

During the Summer when Daylight Saving Time is in effect the conversion is four hours in the Eastern U.S. time zone, not five as it is in the winter.

If you are aiming for a deadline of noon EDT then it would be 1600 on the GMT clock.
IvanDavidBoden 7 years ago
Terrific assignment David!
I already have several ideas and I'm excited to start looking into them.
mrnelson06 7 years ago
I didn't participate in the first assignment. Can I try my hand at this one?
thedigme Posted 7 years ago. Edited by thedigme (member) 7 years ago
Oh man I SO already have the idea and it's really the only logical product to choose for my town. I just hope that I can find time to do it. We're on a tight schedule with an upcoming move.

It makes me want to jump up and go do it right now but I have so much work to do!

Nionyn_ 7 years ago
Yes, absolutely! :-)
There is no obligation to do all of the Boot Camp assignments. Just do those that appeal and for which you have time.
There are still people doing the first two Boot Camp assignments. They are obviously too late to take part in the 'competition' aspect, but these assignments are primarily about learning, not competing. :-)
Brilliant, already know what I'm going to shoot for this one. Can't wait. All I have to do now is find an interesting way of lighting it that is unusual and interesting.
In the Muck 7 years ago
Very cool. I wonder how many people will choose the same object. You'd think it would happen in more than one heavily populated city given the assignment. Not a bad thing though...it would be great to see different people's perspective on the same subject.
Karma Tshering 7 years ago
: I think that should only encourage us to find interesting ways to capture our objects and "sell" the picture; then again, a large area should be known for a number of things.
k_kwan 7 years ago
Shame on me, I've lived in my community for 10yrs and didn't know anything about my area. After doing the first assignment and researching the second I am more enlightened.
Matthew H! 7 years ago
Obligatory Stupid Comment: Does an animal count as an object?
Jennifer Topping Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Jennifer Topping (member) 7 years ago
Matthew H!,
Does a flower?
I don't think it's a stupid comment/question at all. You know what they say about questions...
Though a cow is a living creature, so are strawberries. And Hobby did mention as an idea "...farmers...grow(ing) something that is enjoyed by people far and wide...".

Whether we like it or not, an animal could be seen as an object by some.

Good luck!

ps Do you like my user ID photo? THAT was tricky to light!
Matthew H! 7 years ago
Your user photo, I'm going to take a wild guess. Beauty dish to the right, and a grid coming from the left? And 2 background lights?
acoustic eyes [deleted] 7 years ago
I love this one! I have spent ages rummaging around to find my item today and now I have to decide on how to light it! In the space of 48 hours I have learnt something about my local community that I never knew - I feel so ashamed as everyone I spoke to about it seem to know already!!!
Just wondering, does a reflector count as one of your two light sources?
magicnikon 7 years ago
I would think 2 speedlights, plus we can use any ambient, reflectors..etc. One thought I had, DH does not specifically prohibt using a speelite more than once on an image..so if your subject is conducive to a long exposure with multiple pops....I would guess that is legal.
James Davidson 7 years ago
@magicnikon - I have wondered the same thing and have toyed with the idea, but I think it's meant for each strobe to only be used once. I've been tempted for the multi-pop but, if moved, I would see that as several light sources. DH might chime in and clarify. The same argument could go with merging images for a lit + HDR, i think simplicity is supposed to be the key, but who knows :) If it's fair game, i'll be happy to do it.
alohadave 7 years ago
Don't overthink this. Don't let your focus on lighting obscure that you are trying to highlight an object of significance in your community.

What is more important? Gaming the system and using a technicality, or making the best picture you can while holding yourself to the restrictions of the assignment?
AndrewQ PDX Posted 7 years ago. Edited by AndrewQ PDX (member) 7 years ago
I disagree, alohadave. I don't think that a long exposure with multiple pops of a flash is gaming the system. My understanding is that DH limited the equipment to 2 flashes to ensure that people with a lot of equipment (and $) don't have an advantage over those that don't. How you use those two flashes is limited only by your imagination.

That being said, I think your first two sentences were right onthe mark.
James Davidson 7 years ago
good points AndrewQ
strobist 7 years ago
AndrewQ_PDX is right.
magicnikon Posted 7 years ago. Edited by magicnikon (member) 7 years ago
DH is a smart guy. If he wanted only two light sources, he would have said so. I fully expect someone, if not me, to employ that little trick at some point in the upcoming weeks.

@alohadave I am not trying to game anyone's system. After years of reading Strobist, I would imagine that DH would applaud such ingenuity...he has highlighted this technique in his own blog. I mentioned it only because we are restricted to two strobes, and in some cases, that might not be enough to accomplish the goal.

I even rigged out an idea of beamsplitting my flash to act as a rear highlight and a background light (with gel!). It's one flash used as two light sources. If DH said it wasn't cool, by all means, I'd abide by his rules. But, I'd like to think we can make him smile by coming up with neat ways of overcoming only having two flashes.
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago
I'd like to echo the question Jonathan asked: Are people allowed in the shot? I've got two photo ideas, both of which will likely involve a person as part of the subject (though I could use a mannequin for one).
thedigme 7 years ago
This was hard for me (harder than I thought it would be) being primarily a people shooter but a good learning experience, which is what the boot camp is all about!

Here's my final product:

strobist 7 years ago

If you want to incorporate a hand or something into the photo, I guess. But anything that pushed it into portrait territory would be off-purpose.

Come to think of it, I am shooting mine tomorrow and might include a hand in it.

Karma Tshering 7 years ago
Soo... there goes my Canadian Mountie...
ESARI 7 years ago
what about a portrait of an animal? Would that be off-purpose? Here is my shot www.flickr.com/photos/esari/5958725300/in/photostream , since there is still time to do another shot, better know it now than later.
reflective clover [deleted] 7 years ago
magic nikon-

you have gotten the cogs spinning ... i'm envisioning half of the flash being routed through a hamsters tunnel of reflective material creating the most elaborate snoot ever made.... I know i am right so don't try to tell me you are doing it differently :P
magicnikon 7 years ago
karma, why not shoot the mountie's uniform coat and hat?
aloof board [deleted] 7 years ago
@ Big Dave Deluxe

Should we have a shoot out at the Big Chicken?
IvanDavidBoden 7 years ago
YIKES! My shot is shaping up to be crazy difficult!

I contacted the property management where my "object" exists to ask for permission to shoot, and I am getting the run around.

They were supportive, but would not grant permission yet.

They asked me to call back on Monday when another person who "may know better about authorization", will be there.

Karma Tshering 7 years ago
magicnikon, I'm a little tongue-in-cheek :)
it was hard to find a cool idea...
I hope you enjoy
John Adkins II 7 years ago
Man, this is proving harder for me than I thought it would. I can't think of anything especially significant in my community. Guess I live in a pretty boring place. lol
thedigme 7 years ago
^ moonshine? ;)

aloof board [deleted] 7 years ago
Hmmm....this is a puzzle of sorts...I guess the point of it is to make something we take for granted and make it interesting..
John Adkins II Posted 7 years ago. Edited by John Adkins II (member) 7 years ago
Brad -

lol, yeah I could probably find some of that, although it would take a hike, I doubt its produced "locally" in my community. ;)
reflective clover [deleted] 7 years ago
it seems like less people are participating this time around...?
thedigme 7 years ago
Still a week left.

light_habit 7 years ago
if yer stumped, a quick google for your city and state, along with "wki", should help you find something your community is known for.
IADina 7 years ago
Its really tough to find a good object for this assignment :) but anyway I found a good object. here's my submission.
light_habit 7 years ago
was curious . . . seems some of these boot camp assignments use shots that could be used in print. i haven't seen any with print in the image, has anyone ever tried submitting one with a mock up of how it would look in print, with pseudo-heading and article in the shot the way it would look in a magazine?
strobist 7 years ago
The Page Design Boot Camp is down the hall...
daytraitors 7 years ago
A rules question.

Do I need to be holding the flash?
Also, I read the rules and didn't notice anything about a 2-light limitation.

So. . . can I coordinate the flashing of an object by many tourists? Let's say I camp out at one of the many touristy attractions in the Nation's Capitol and recruit a handful of strobists-to-be and have them flash my object during the exposure. Legit?
reflective clover [deleted] 7 years ago
ehhhh i'm not the judge but... that definitely does not sound legit in my opinion.

Also it does explicitly say 2 lights. I would reference it but i can't access strobist. And you dont have to be literally holding the flash... they can be on light stands etc. Like David has said over and over, use your common sense.

Your idea is creative and that is really one of the main focuses of these assignments... so maybe you can work a little harder on finding a way to light this object. good luck
alohadave 7 years ago
From the post: Lighting Tips

Two small lights is not a lot with which to shoot a product shot. But they can be plenty in combination with ambient light.

But seriously, I don't get the attempts to try to get around the two flash rule. The focus is on something important to your community, not how many flashes you can manage to get into the shot.
daytraitors...a VAL or "Voice Activated Lightstand" which heretofore said "tourist strobist to be" would be if they could be recruited to be...is a common strobist tool to get the shot and could be part of your 2 light "kit" and could be used multiple times with a long exposure as discussed above by Andrew Q/THE Mr. Strobist.

hmmmm, it's late - did that even make sense? Oh well, I needed this distraction while finishing editing my paying jobs while contemplating how I'm going to do this assignment with a half broken camera before I send it in for repairs.
daytraitors 7 years ago
If someone were trying too get around the rules, would they be asking for clarification?

Also, the quote from lighting tips is not a two light limit.
Nionyn_ Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Nionyn_ (moderator) 7 years ago
The Two-Light rule is on this page:
Scroll down to "The Two Light-Rule". :-)
novak photos 7 years ago
really wish I had a 135 macro lens for this assignment!
MarcDurand 7 years ago
woohoo! just finished my shoot. Will put it up tonight. Pretty proud of myself for having done 2 of 2 so far :D
IvanDavidBoden Posted 7 years ago. Edited by IvanDavidBoden (member) 7 years ago
It has taken me countless phone calls and emails, over the past week, just to reach the right person to ask for permission to photograph my object of choice.

The person was away on vacation, making it more difficult.

I finally received my answer moments ago in an email.

"We don’t typically allow these kinds of requests on property, but since you are looking for the community connection and the item represents exactly that, we’re willing to make an exception."


I made the appointment with their security to be their at 7PM, tomorrow night (Wednesday), to do my shoot!

The squeaky wheel FINALLY got some grease!

Kuhlephotography 7 years ago
Good Job muggle1. I have been faced with a similar situation, the object I am after is locked away safely in a local museum...

One of the kind chaps there agreed to let me take some shots of it in return for some shots for the museum website, I guess it's all about negoation...

My appointment is set for 17.30 tomorrow evening and I can feel the clock ticking.....
The Notorious DKE 7 years ago
- I thought about the Big Chicken but schedule might make it difficult for me to complete the assignment. I simply can't take any time off to shoot stuff I'm interested in so I might go with Plan B this weekend.
Scruba Images Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Scruba Images (member) 7 years ago
Off to pickup my locally produced product tonight and I will be putting the box it comes in to good use for my lighting.

I can see what i want to capture in my head so lets hope it develops into realisation.

Certainly some nice entries so far - BC32
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago
I was asking about the people-in-the-photo question because I was considering making a political statement with mine.

I know EllenBeth Wachs personally. So, my "object of community pride" was going to be a pair of handcuffs on her wrists. (She suggested an even better idea, which I'll be shooting in the next few weeks.) The photo was going to be just a closeup of her wrists, the handcuffs, and part of a T-shirt. It wouldn't have included her face, though there'd be no question about her identity.

(If you don't know who I'm talking about: www.theledger.com/article/20110624/NEWS/110629694 )

Also, I tend to ask the stretching-the-rules sorts of questions by default. Part of it is because I want the rules to be clear; part of it is because, as a programmer, my job is to find holes in rulesets; and part of it is because I enjoy being contrary sometimes.
volspsk 7 years ago
Found a great item to shoot in my town. The historical society is restoring a 150 year old house that was built by one of the early town leaders. I called them yesterday to “ask permission” to take shoot it from the outside since it is currently under construction inside.

They want me to pay them $125 BUCKS for the privilege to take pictures on the property.

Guess I will be looking for someone else to work with!
strobist 7 years ago
If you can shoot it from public property, you do not need their permission.
James Davidson 7 years ago
Finalizing the logistics of my shots today, hope to shoot tonight. Shooting several, picking one. Looking at the submissions, this is tough, lots of awesome entries, and lots of alcohol. lol.

@volspsk, as DH said, you can shoot from the street/sidewalk, if you need your lights closer, ask the neighbors if you can place them in their yards for a few minutes :)
IvanDavidBoden 7 years ago
My shot will be on private property. I had to clear it first.
lunenburgirl Posted 7 years ago. Edited by lunenburgirl (member) 7 years ago
Attempted to shoot a lobster yesterday as part of the challenge. It's like he knew I was going to be cooking him when we were done. fail :(
chad_goldman77 7 years ago
@DH - So, as you mentioned to Benjamin, mine is probably too off focus. www.flickr.com/photos/chadgoldman/5964408231/

dern. oh well, I still had fun!
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago

You should've made a deal with it. "Pose for this photo and we'll make it quick and painless."
Nionyn_ Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Nionyn_ (moderator) 7 years ago
Sorry, Chad, but your photo does not have enough info for the group's pool. Where was the flash? How was it triggered? The info you have given would be just as applicable to an on-cam flash photo, unfortunately, and it must be clear that off-camera flash was used with all photos in the group (and for the Boot Camp, naturally).
No worries, though - just add the missing details and put it back in the pool. :-)
lunenburgirl 7 years ago

will definitely do that in the future. I have one shot that actually looks like he's praying. kind of a lobster's first communion shot. brutal. hope to get the time to get something to submit.
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago
Just out of curiosity: is the view/comment/favorite count considered as part of the judging? How about what Flickr considers "interesting" or "relevant"?
Nionyn_ Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Nionyn_ (moderator) 7 years ago
No, they're all irrelevant (as they are to pretty much everything else in life). As explained by David Hobby on the Boot Camp pages on the Strobist blog, he sets the Boot Camp projects and is the sole judge of the photos.
strobist 7 years ago
Nope. The judging is, like every other contest, subjective. (My least favorite part, truth be told.)
Benjamin Geiger Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Benjamin Geiger (member) 7 years ago
I was more concerned that you'd use views/likes/comments/etc as a sort of pre-filter, so you'd only have to judge 20-30 instead of 200-300...

(No offense intended, of course.)
heavydpj 7 years ago
Do shots without any flash at all count?
Nionyn_ Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Nionyn_ (moderator) 7 years ago
heavydpj Er... I have to presume that you have not read the Boot Camp posts on the Strobist blog, or this group's rules. :-(
This group is about off-camera flash, and so is the group's pool of photos (with the exception that light painting photos are also allowed).
To be part of the Boot Camp photos must be in the group, and photos are removed from the group's pool if they are not lit using off-off-camera flash (or light painting). I'm afraid you will find that your photo has been removed from the group.
So no, shots without off-camera flash do not count, sorry.
chad_goldman77 7 years ago
Well Nionyn, I guess I have to sit this one out. because of the hustle and bustle of the day the flash was on camera.
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago

For future reference, you might want to consider getting an off-camera shoe cord for your camera (if you have a Nikon or Canon). Basically, it's a self-contained sync system; as far as the flash and the camera know, they're connected directly. That includes all of the other information passed from camera to flash and vice versa, as Canon's cord includes E-TTL signals, and presumably Nikon's cord includes iTTL signals.

Camera in right hand, flash in left hand (or on monopod held in left hand) and you're good to go.

Here's the Canon version. If you're going to go this route, I strongly recommend poking around eBay for an aftermarket equivalent. I have a 10-foot version from eBay that works perfectly, and cost me about $10 (versus the $70-ish that Canon wants).
heavydpj Posted 7 years ago. Edited by heavydpj (member) 7 years ago
LOL ...
Nionyn, it was not my submission, so no apology necessary (the one I asked about was by dtenb). THIS one is mine.
Nionyn_ 7 years ago
Ah, sorry to hear that. Any chance you could come up with a last minute entry? You never know... :-)

heavydpj Hah! On the contrary, I do definitely owe you an apology for not paying attention. I did not even notice that the comment on dtenb's photo was from you. Doh! :-(
Needless to say, yours is absolutely fine. :-)
bernhardas 7 years ago
My picture for BC32


was removed from the stream as my flash was on camera!

I do find this narrow mindedness extremely disappointing.
I could do go out today and repeat the same result with a off camera cord or hand holding the Flash with a pocket wizzard an get the same result.

But I refuse to budge to bureaucratic nonsense.

I do not think that the off camera rule should be enforced in BC given the spirit of minimal equipment.

Any thoughts David?
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago
"I do not think that the off camera rule should be enforced in BC given the spirit of minimal equipment."

You're forgetting one thing: The entire point of the site, and the group, is off-camera flash.
Nionyn_ 7 years ago
Seriously, Bernhard, have you read the Strobist blog or this group's rules? If you have, you seem to have missed the fundamental purpose of both.

If you could "go out today and repeat the same result with a off camera cord or hand holding the Flash with a pocket wizzard an get the same result" then why not do exactly that?

"But I refuse to budge to bureaucratic nonsense."
Bureaucratic? Seriously?

One of David's basic rules for this group (his group) is that off-camera flash should be used for all photos in the pool. This is what the group is all about.
If all entries for the Boot Camp must be in this Flickr group it is only logical that they should therefore use off-camera flash.

Just go out and shoot another photo for the Boot Camp using off-camera flash and enter it. Then all will be well. :-)
heavydpj Posted 7 years ago. Edited by heavydpj (member) 7 years ago
For the life of me, I can't understand why people can't seem to follow relatively simple instructions. Using the "bureaucratic nonsense" rule, I should be able to use my Kodak Power Flash single use camera to enter the pool, lol (I'll bet I could if I used it with an SB-900 in SU-4 mode though .... hmmmm ...)
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago

As long as the flash built into the disposable camera triggered another flash, you'd be set.
heavydpj 7 years ago
It occured to me as I was writing the post, lol. Would be an interesting experiment.
elbarbieque 7 years ago
Easy, breezy...if you don't want to follow the rules, don't play the game. Or, start you own game and make your own rules.
chad_goldman77 7 years ago
I shoot nikon so typically I use the CLS that nikon has built in. if you see from the other photos in my stream related to this shoot it was a crazy mess. the shot wasn't posed and I grabbed it real quick...Actually, I hung out there for 30 minutes waiting for the room to clear ;)

I could have easily popped the speedlight off and used the pop up as commander, but just didn't think of it at the time. I'll recompose something and resubmit something new.
alohadave 7 years ago
Chad, unfortunately, the time has expired (1.5 hours ago).
heavydpj 7 years ago

Ummm ... I do not believe so. From the website:

"The deadline is Sunday, July 31st, 1700 hours GMT. (That's noon Eastern in the US.)"

I will assume that everyone who is reading this already knows how to navigate there.
Nionyn_ Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Nionyn_ (moderator) 7 years ago
I'm in the land of GMT, and it's still Saturday 30th here.
Either that or I drank far more last night than I realised... ;-)
At the time of posting this you still have a little under a day left. :-)
alohadave 7 years ago
My bad. I thought that said Saturday. Carry on.
Benjamin Geiger 7 years ago

My 60D has the same thing built in (E-TTL transmitter in the popup flash), but I've found that it's not entirely reliable at handholding angles. Having a diffuser on the popup flash (I use a generic version of the Gary Fong Puffer) improves matters quite a bit, but not perfectly. It might have to do with how I hold the flash.
magicnikon Posted 7 years ago. Edited by magicnikon (member) 7 years ago
Alright, so I had forgotten about the project this week since I was away on business... But, I remembered I had until tomorrow, so I knocked this out this evening. Since I brought it up in an earlier post in this thread, I challenged myself to use at least one flash with multiple pops. I am very happy with my result. I really wanted to get light on a couple of different surfaces here, plus the background light... I had my whole downstairs pitch dark in order to get the 10 second exposure I wanted, with the only ambient coming from the scope light.

Scruba Images Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Scruba Images (member) 7 years ago
Looks like some great entries again. Beer certainly was a popular subject. Here is my local beer shot.

XXXX Gold (Boot Camp III, Assignment 2)

I've also put together a BTS Video of the shoot @ youtu.be/E4x6EcNwFfA

Love to get some feedback on the video.
chad_goldman77 7 years ago
Yeah, I figure that. I'll have to try for next one. (if it wasnt for the flash, I thought I stood a decent chance this week.). Bring on assignment 3!
magicnikon 7 years ago
Looks like some great entries again. Beer certainly was a popular subject. Here is my local beer shot.

I had the same idea, but finished my beers before I could decide how to light them!
Stephane Hachey 7 years ago
How are you guys putting a thumbnail in the post?
Benjamin Geiger Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Benjamin Geiger (member) 7 years ago

User icons: put the user's photostream URL between square brackets.

Photos: put the photo page URL between square brackets.

Click on "Want to format your reply?", right below the text box, for more information.
Stephane Hachey Posted 7 years ago. Edited by Stephane Hachey (member) 7 years ago
Oh, well that's easy. Thanks for showing me the way.

Going to try it out on my BC32 submission....

Machine by Stephane Hachey

edit.... works great, thanks.
strobist 7 years ago
Results are in.
ESARI 7 years ago
Congratulation to fabio and all who participate ,what an awesome diverse crowd we have here ! Really enjoy this, got to see so many great story is like reading the next issue of nat geo but better.
fearful shake [deleted] 7 years ago
Congrats to Fabio! Well done!. It was great to participate and to see all the interesting work that was submitted. I had a lot of fun with this assignment and I look forward to the next one.
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