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AlienBees CyberSync(TM) Review

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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

Alien Wizards Review
by Chris Claborne, The Camera Ninja.

I just received my CyberSyncs(TM) from alienbees.com a few days ago and what follows is my review of what I call my
&quotAlien Wizards&quot (AWs). The system is comprised of a transmitter that sits on
the hot shoe of the camera and receivers for each flash. The web-site says that
a single receiver can fire multiple flashes from a single receiver but they
don't recommend it (and I say at the price, why not just pop for another
receiver if you really need it). Another way to go is slave if you have only
occasional need.

Currently the AlienBees.com web site has them listed as follows transmitters
are $59/ea, receivers are $69/ea. Compare that to Pocket Wizard at $150 and I
saved over $300, less than half the cost to do the same thing with just three
flash units (imagine if I had 6 or more). This is why you will see me recommend
getting a receiver for everything you need.

I jumped at the chance to use this system after becoming extremely frustrated
with my &quotPoverty Wizards&quot, aka cactus triggers / eBay triggers. My &quotPoverty
Wizards&quot were a fantastic frustration generator. They sucked! I spent money on
lithium batteries for the entire system, did a hardware mod to the transmitter
to add an antenna to it and they still sucked. I held my mouth just so... and
they still wouldn't fire consistently. They were not reliable in the least. I
was working with a range between 2 and 10 feet and there was no formula that
worked reliably at any range (closer was worse). Reliability is really
important because they had the uncanny ability tomis -fire when my subject had
the perfect expression or pose and I was always wondering if they fired on every
single picture. Who needs that kind of distraction?

Before you start flaming me I will say that I've have seen a lot of pictures
taken by some great artists with the &quotPoverty Wizards&quot and have seen a lot of
posts from people stating that they are fine. Hardware mods to the transmitters
have worked really well for some but my personal experience was quite the
opposite. The value proposition of theAWs really should fill a huge hole in the
market. OK, back to the AWs.

The &quotAlien Wizards&quot are brand new and I ordered them just like anyone else. In
fact, I ordered them the day I saw the news article on
strobist.com/.
I don't have more than a hundred or so cycles on them so I I'll update this
review if anything changes.

The documents describe them as follows:


&quot CyberSync (TM) CST1 Transmitter, CSRB receiver (the &quotB&quot at the end
designates the battery driven version) are 2.4 GHz digitally encoded devices
for remote firing of photographic flash units from cameras fitted with a
standard &quothot shoe&quot or flash sync connection. Data is digitally encoded as a
256 bit highly secure word validity verification for complete freedom from
false firing from interference signals. &quot


Other Key Points


Battery life for the receiver is approximately 200 hours and
the transmitter is 2 years.
Receiver can act in &quotrepeater&quot mode allowing you to extend the
range
Using the repeater can add additional latency of 1/2000 to
1/4000 second.
Usable range is documented up to 350' and 150 when obstacles
such as walls are between the transmitter and receiver. (author tested to 240
feet before he ran out of room).
If you lack a hot shoe on your camera, the transmitter has a pc
connection for input.
The voltage presented to the camera by the CST1 is
approximately 3 volts DC and according to the documentation &quotis thus safe for
use with any camera&quot.
Cables include sync cord for standard 3.5mm mono phone jack for
connecting output to your flash unit's sync input. A sync cord is included,
with adapters to fit the 3.5mm or 1/4&quot phone jacks used on most flash units.
The multiple frequencies (16 settings) allow freedom from
interference from other nearby photographers using CyberSync(TM) or other
equipment operating on the 2.4 GHz band.
Does not support camera TTL commands (who does?) They
recommend setting the sync speed slower than your camera's maximum sync speed
but I had no problems syncing at 1/250 second on my Nikon D300 They state
latency of typically only 1/4000 second.
CRSB receiver is powered by two AA batteries.



Image below show what comes in the box, cables, transmitter, and receiver
(Manuals and registration not shown). Each unit is sold separately and each
receiver comes with cables shown.






Just so you know it works, the image below shows the receivers driving a Nikon
SB-800 and a n old Sunpack 433D. The 433D doesn't have a PC cord input so I
used a generic hot-shoe mount with PC cord.







Bellow are my likes and dislikes of the system (ordered by by most important
first).

Likes


Reliable. I've tested to 240+ feet with 100%
reliability. Reliability was the first thing I tested. After my experience
with the &quotPoverty Wizards&quot / cactus / eBay triggers, this was paramount.
I shot at 3 frames per second with 100% reliably from 240 feet
(6 frames per second induced misfires and I am not sure what the max frame
rate is) I used the camera to test reliability and not the test button on the
transmitter because of the way the test button works can possibly induce
errors.


Cost. I am interested in doing some for hire
business but the cost of Pocket Wizards was ridiculous, Nikon camera cords are
a major pain and impossible with my current stash. At ~$69/unit this really
is an enabler for me and with the cost of all the goofing with cords and
wasted time, frustration, and customer satisfaction packs some major ROI.


Passed the drop test. Because they are so
small, they seam to slip out of your hands (maybe it's just me). The trigger
was dropped first. The seem on the trigger split a little but snapped right
back into place and it continues tofunction . The drop test on the receiver
compressed one of the battery terminals flat requiring a field-repair. A
quick repair (bend it back) and it was operational a minute later (don't drop
them!)
I will caution you, they are not rock solid. They feel a little cheep but I'm
not expecting industrial hardened FLUKE meter like armor.


Nice and small. I can still ware my baseball
cap and they don't scare the customers. They fit nice in the bag. The Pocket
Wizards seams very large by comparison.


Range. I'm doing mainly portrait now so ~50+
feet would be fine, 240 feet is great. They have a repeater mode that will
will future-proof them (because as soon as I say I don't need the big range...
I will have an assignment that needs it :). The repeater also can get you out
of situations where the flash may be behind a wall or other obstacle.


They shipped with everything I needed. They
came with batteries loaded in everything, and two different types of of sync
cords for each receiver. I use the standard PC cords to drive my two Nikon
flash units and a cheap Sunpack (via shoe mountpc). I was able to use them
right out of the box.


Works with my equipment. The transmitter
works with my Nikon D300 synced to 1/250. via a
off-the-shelf The receivers drive my two Nikon strobes (SB-26, SB-800) and a
cheap Sunpackpc cord hot shoe. I don't see why they wouldn't work with just
about anything out there including studio equipment. I've already seen posts
from Cannon drivers on the net that state compatibility.


They take normal batteries. The transmitter
takes a standard button cell and is rated to last two years. The receivers
take 2 AA cells. AlienBees documentation says that Alkaline,NiMH , Li, or
other rechargeable batteries should work fine. I've tested with Alkaline and
Li. There are no chargers, funky batteries or goofing around with these guys.


Nice and light (pun intended)



DISLikes
To be honest
there is little to dislike about the Alien Wizards so far. Below are the nits
that I have in order of priority.



Button on receivers are easily pressed when in
my case. Once pressed, they stay on for 1 hour. I would like
to see this fixed.
I have no idea what would happen if the button stays
pushed while in the bag but I can guess that they would stay on all the time.
One solution is to remove a battery while packed. I am working on putting my
three receivers and a trigger in a small Pelican case with a small piece of
foam to hold them but not press the buttons but this is turning out to be a
bulky solution. If you have 6 receivers, I think Pelican has a perfect case
for you, it holds them perfectly.


No strap. (I use Velcro on everything but I
would have preferred that they come with straps) to hang on equipment. This
seams like an easy addition.


Channel selector, could use some improving. I'm not suggesting
that they implement full digital command screen on the back like a PW, it's
over-kill and I don't what to pay the price or the space for it.



In the Paul C. Buff CyberSync(TM) manual they show a &quotCyber Commander&quot that
mounts on the camera hot shoe. It shows a LCD with all kinds of buttons.
Hmmm. I wonder what that is? Nothing on their web site.

Conclusions:
The AlienBees CyberSync(TM) system are a great value, are reliable and come
ready to work out of the box. I think the system will work very well for me and
a lot of strobists out there. I highly recommend them over the &quotPoverty
Wizards&quot and cost conscious Pocket Wizard wanna-bees. :) I have very little
experience so far with this new system but what I do have, I really like. I
hope Paul is really successful and my guess is that he will have a hard time
keeping these in stock. At time of writing, the battery driven receivers are on
a 2 week back-order.


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Chris Claborne is an armature photographer, professional geek for a Fortune 500
company, pilot, and party animal living in San Diego.
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Geoffrey Ball says:

wow, thanks for the great write-up and for sharing.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Sentrosi Productions says:

I have some waiting for me at my house in Canada but unfortunately i'm still in Japan, thanks for the writeup. I'm in the exact same place as you, don't wanna shell out for PW's but i'm sick of "poverty wizards".

I hope these work out, otherwise i might try the Radio Popper JR's due out this summer.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

KYLE VAUGHN [deleted] says:

Thanks I have been waiting to hear about them.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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MikePerrault says:

Can these be used as a remote trigger?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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David de Groot  Pro User  says:

Sounds like just the thing everyone is after. With the Aussie dollar almost at parity with the US dollar, I can see a lot of my fellow Down Under Strobists going for these in the not too distant future.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Honza Pokorny says:

thanks for a great review
does the cord have a pc male or pc female?
thanks
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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elv0000 says:

Thanks, they seem ideal.

What is the actual plug socket on the transmitter? (not actualy a PC socket is it?)
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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FlashZebra says:

Mike,

Regarding, "Can these be used as a remote trigger? "

See:

www.paulcbuff.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=60918#60918

Enjoy! Lon
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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FlashZebra says:

elv,

Currently there is no sync socket on the transmitter (other than the flash foot).

An update has been announced to add a sync port to the transmitter.

The receiver has a miniphone jack (1/8" - 3.5mm).

Enjoy! Lon
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Jacob O'Connell says:

what cable would you need to hook them up to a vivitar 285HV?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Francisco I says:

This is what I was waiting to push on the "buy" button.

Thanks a lot!!
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very1silent  Pro User  says:

Jake: You'd probably use this cable to connect the miniphone jack on the receiver to the vivitar.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

Mr Weatherbee [deleted] says:

What Franciscoibanez said... this is what I needed to see before buying. I'm in!
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rp-photo says:

Nice review - now off to buy...
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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BoldPuppy says:

... and I read this two hours after putting cash on some poverty wizards...
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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badlands99 says:

This is going to diminish potential sales of the Popper Jr.
I wish those were on the market now.
We could have had "Trigger Cage Match 2008".
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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AV Dig says:

I received mine a couple of days ago and certainly agree with the Ninja's review, there great just what I've been looking for at an affordible price. And I did drop the receiver on the cement and it's fine. But I couldn't use them right out of the box on my Cannon 580 EX because unlike the 580EX ll I don't have a PC plug. So I had to use a PC to Hot Shoe Adapter B&H = GBPCHSA $9.95 and ironically a PocketWizard MPCF Mini Male to PC Female Adapter. Mfr # 804-605 • B&H # WIPCFMA $14.95
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Paul Hodgson @ Box of Frogs says:

Has anyone tried them in an FP mode with nikon gear? I know the report above states sync'd at 1/250th ok but curious if it can be driven faster.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Matt Cope  Pro User  says:

"Has anyone tried them in an FP mode with nikon gear? I know the report above states sync'd at 1/250th ok but curious if it can be driven faster. "

Due to the way radio triggers work, there is no way for them to work in FP (or equivalent) mode, unless they fool the camera and flash into thinking they are using the usual IR trigger (like the Radiopoppers do).
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Honza Pokorny says:

does the cord that comes with it have a pc male or pc female?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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IHB Photography says:

Could I buy two of these and trigger my camera to limit camera shake?

I am looking to start doing bulb shots.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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elv0000 says:

Anyone tried them on the recent Vivitar 285HV?
(as they appear to be the only manual flash left available for sale now)

@ AV Dig - be very carefull with that general brand hotshoe (B&H = GBPCHSA $9.95) as they come apart easily just when you don't expect it and will drop that heavy (and expensive) 580ex on the floor. You can try Lon at FlashZebra for possible alternatives.
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jvalenc says:

What type of batteries do you use for the transmitter and receiver? Any comments on the battery life?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Axel Rietschin says:

I wish they made the sender horizontal. I don't see the point of having the sender vertical on the camera, maybe their next version will be low profile like the Elinchrom Skyport?
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Honza Pokorny says:

does the cord that comes with it have a pc male or pc female?
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ryancouldrey  Pro User  says:

Had t hese babies preordered (before the glut of strobist readers got in line, I was one of the first 20-30 they said) but I gotta wait for the next version. The kicker for me was that there isn't any sort of clamp for the transmitter. With the cheap build quality the last thing I need is a transmitter that can slip off while I jog to a location and not know where it fell.

Right there I canceled my order. Further reading led to the discovery of the overall cheap build quality of both the triggers and the receivers.

Also, it would also be super great if someone other than gadget Infinity would make a receiver with a hotshoe socket. My SB-600, awesome as it is and #3 in terms of the current Nikon flashes on the market, does not have any kind of sync cord socket. Couple this with two old school no-name flashes (they come with 2 and 3 power settings respectively) that also don't have any kind of sync sockets outside of their hotshoes and all of a sudden the gadget infinities are the least bulky and ugly option on the market for me.

Sad thing is that while I've seen the good reviews of the Poppers on Strobist, I've been finding equally as many negative reviews about them outside the site, all boiling down to reliability. I was really looking forward to trying to get the first batch of Popper Jr.s but now I'm gonna have to wait for the non-strobist endorsed reviews to come in, as I get the feeling DH has a bit of a soft spot for the company (trying to usurp PW/Goliath is no easy feat!).

In the meantime I fixed my cactus triggers (the + battery contact wasn't making ideal, well, contact, until I bent it a bit) and they're firing reliably again. They'll have to do until a company releases a product that's both fairly reliable and not built like a grade school science project.
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Entropy512 says:

@ryancouldrey - Pretty much everyone agrees that the on-receiver shoe of the Cacti is an extremely bad idea to use - It moves the flash too far from the umbrella axis if using an umbrella, and in the case of no umbrella, it is just too flimsy to put anything but the smallest strobes on top of.

Just get a hotshoe-to-PC cord.
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

The pc sync cord that comes with the unit is mail.

I use a little quad gender changer to hook it up to my cheap hot shoe mount (for my sunpack without any sync cord capability).
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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adamfg says:

wow, these are perfect, anyone know if they ship to the UK ?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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guphotography.com says:

You misspelt "seem"
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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DanielKPhoto says:

@ the OP: I'm not sure if it's fair to compare these units with Pocket Wizards if you don't own PW or have used/reviewed PW yourself.

Other than that, I appreciate you taking the time to write up the review.


Daniel
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

You have a really good point DanielK but you can compare the core marketing info and cost. I don't own PocketWizards so all bets are off :)
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ibxpete says:

I am glad for the input on the new units. Thanks Claborne.
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AV Dig says:

@ elvoooo Thanks for the warning about the General Brand hot shoe adapter. I'll try your suggestion L on at FlashZebra.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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PS-Photos.com says:

Nice pictures and good review. I am planning on ordering a set now that I've done as much research as I have.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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ivar.schiager  Pro User  says:

They seem to work fine, except they do not trigger my old National PE 3057. Perhaps it is flash retiring time? To be sure I've ordered a new Vivitar 285 HV to replace it when strobising.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Photofarrell  Pro User  says:

Mine have lasted 3 weeks. I have the receivers for the studio strobes and the input jack pushed into the unit after about 6 uses. At least I have one more you would think right? Wrong. Now the second receiever won't fire a thing and I have not yet figured this one out. I have been using Alien Bee equipment since last September. Up until now I would say they are great but with this triggering system below par, My love for Paul C. Buff is slipping away and I'm looking for solutions elsewhere for firing my 6 Alien Bee strobes.
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shoens  Pro User  says:

I think the product will evolve with field experience so they will address problems such as Photofarrell experienced. The Paul C. Buff companies have a 60 day return policy so you can try them out and only be out the cost of shipping if you don't like them. However, having things not work can be frustrating if you're just trying to get your lighting setup going.

In the spirit of adventure I ordered a transmitter/receiver pair and got them on Friday. The transmitter weighs about 1 ounce and the side metal contacts spring out to hold it fairly securely. The unit feels pretty snug on the two cameras I tried it on. Since the transmitter is so light, I don't think it's going to slip off the camera.

The receiver weighs about 3.2 ounces with batteries. The supplied cables are miniphone to PC male (but not screw lock) and miniphone to miniphone.

The original poster asked about the Cyber Commander. The company is working on a new line of monolights that you can control with a new transmitter unit that will let you control light groups, flash meter, and so on. The new monolights are called Einstein and you can get preview information about the system in the Alien Bees discussion groups on alienbees.com. Look in the Lighting Discussion group.

From my limited testing CST/CSRB seem to have reasonable range and certainly enough for me. It fires reliably at 100 feet outside and through walls inside. I found a situation where it won't fire inside, but the signal has to pass through six walls in that case.

I'm going to order some more receivers and see how it goes. I've been using the Canon IR system and it works fine indoors for me and better than I'd expect outdoors based on others' experiences. There are lighting setups I can't do with IR plus I'm looking for the ability to trip non-Canon lights.

I took some detailed pictures of the CST/CSRB and dropped one of the set in the Strobist pool if you want to see more of what they look like.
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petepixxx says:

I remember reading that the CSRB will only set off one flash. Is that true? What if you have a double flash side by side setup?
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shoens  Pro User  says:

The CSRB has one sync port. If you can split the sync cord, maybe that will work?
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petepixxx says:

Sorry, I didn't mention it. I have 1/3 splitters I use with my Quantum Radio Slaves. Can get more from B&H. The RSs are 10 years old and only two units still work but I want to add several more locations for remote lights (BGs, corners or cross/hair lights mostly). Many times I want two or three lights in different angles & zoom from one location, so 2/3 flashes each.
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

Yes. They can fire two flash units from a single receiver. Just tested.
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petepixxx says:

You da MAN!!
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FlashZebra says:

These units have miniphone jacks. You will be a lot better off using mono miniphone splitters than PC based ones.

Mono miniphone gear is far more reliable.

Enjoy! Lon
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

I agree with FlashZebra, the pc cords tend to slip out, nothing to really hold them.
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We're So Tired [deleted] says:

I finally got to fiddle with my Tx/Rx (and one more Rx on the way). They just work for me (short range). My only complaints so far:

1. would it have killed them to put a lanyard loop on the receiver? I need to hang it from somewhere--it might go on a light stand, a gorilla pod, a clamp... I don't want to put velcro on all those different things, so just gimme a lanyard!!

2. The on/test buttons on both Tx/Rx stick out quite a bit, I'm worried they're going to get pressed a lot in my bad and use up the battery.
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ahawks81 says:

There are so many new triggers on the market now. It used to be just Pocket Wizards or cactus. I still have my cactus trigger but am tired of the unreliablility.

Pocket Wizards are right out due to cost.

So there's:
- AlienBees CyberSync
- Skyports
- Popper Jr.
- (anything else I'm forgetting?)

Which of the lot is the best?
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petepixxx says:

What else?

I"ve got old Quantum Radio Slave 4s (generations old). They have worked great with some maintanance (9V battery wires break for one which is fixable). But one doesn't work, and one just shorted out this weekend in a humid room. They are big & clunky so I'm going to CyberSyncs as I want to add more. I'll daisy chain whatever works in the transition.
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Ed Roper says:

Errr, I think I'm going to count these out and go with some skyports. I'm too rough on my gear, but yet can't afford PW's.

Maybe if the next few generations of these get better and more sturdy I'll pick them up as a backup or something
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elv0000 says:

Keep in mind skyports are twice the price and built in non standard battery (that will eventualy die one day).
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Axel Rietschin says:

Non standard battery? Nah. The transmitter uses a very common CR2430 coin cell that you should be able to find anywhere.
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shoens  Pro User  says:

@axelr: don't the skyport receivers use a rechargeable Li-Ion battery?
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Axel Rietschin says:

Oh, the receivers? Yes they do. 30 hours of action times 1000 charges of life expectancy for Li-ion, you'll have to replace the battery in about 14 years, assuming you shoot non-stop 8 hours a days, five days a week. At that rate, you'll probably wear out many flashes and several cameras before the rechargeable battery let you down.

That said the CyberSync scores very well on battery life, my only "complaint" about them is the orientation of the transmitter, why did they make it vertical? It's just ergonomic nonsense. I know I can use a PC cord and "velcro" the transmitter somewhere else but it would be great if they make a low profile version someday, maybe with an integrated antenna.
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shoens  Pro User  says:

My objection to the rechargeable battery in the Skyport is that it needs yet another special power supply. Oh well, everything else in the world has that too. Anyway, by the time the battery in a Skyport receiver wears out, the unit will either be lost or hopelessly antique!

The body of the CyberSync transmitter is 1 3/4" tall excluding the antenna and 1 1/8" wide, so it doesn't block too much of your vision. The antenna adds another 1 1/4". The CST is 1 1/4 inch taller than a Skyport and much shorter than a Pocket Wizard.

It does seem that they could have located the foot on the back of the CST and gotten the 1/2" profile of the Skyport.
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

The one problem that I noted earlier is that putting the alien wizards in my camera pack will cause the buttons to be depressed, thus run down the batteries.

To avoid this, I got a Pelican case (Micro case series 1040). I then took some stif packing foam and cut them to size and then punched a hole in the foam where the button is. It holds three Alien Wizards and the transmitter securely along with three 1 foot pc cords from AlienBees (it comes with one).

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Problem solved, I would have preferred a different design. The one thing that I do like is the auto-off after one hour of inactivity (I run down just about everything I own without this feature).
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DavezPicts  Pro User  says:

I have mine on order - the ebay triggers are too unreliable. Actually they do seem to fail on the best pose, so maybe there is a consistency there. Someone should come up with a good lanyard modification for the Cybersync receiver.

There certainly were a lot of people hacking the ebay triggers.

The case idea looks good also, not just for these triggers.
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elv0000 says:

Drill a little hole in the case and put a peice of fishing wire through :-)
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PS-Photos.com says:

DavezPitcs just gave me a good idea! Maybe someone with a set can drill 2 small holes on the rear battery cover and run the lanyard through it so we can hang them. Its too bad I ordered mine a few days ago so its not going to be here anytime soon.

Hopefully someone will do it before I get mine so I can see how it looks. ;)
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Francisco I says:

I guess a Dremel tool with a 1mm bit would do the job. When my set arrives I´ll try it. But shipping is 2 weeks delayed :(
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ripe images says:

could just make some old school style leather cases w/ lanyard lol. like the old cell phones. whats wrong with velcro? cmon we put it on everything else lol.
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petepixxx says:

keychain rings held on with strapping tape is my choice.

Oh, & I ordered on the 9th, they shipped yesterday, 24th.
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

I like the velcro setup but suggest not on the battery cover. If the clip isn't fully seated it will pop off (like it did for me) :) Suggest that you put it on the side.
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sbxcr  Pro User  says:

Found this over at light-shoot-print.blogspot.com/2008/06/radiopopper-review..., where the Thomas Graves reviews the RP units.

Same/similar mounting problems, author overcame them by:

"You can order those clips from the folks at Mouser Electronics. The part number is 561-AWC187B , and when I bought them they were about three for a buck. A pretty good deal for the kind of peace of mind I get from them. "

Mouser Electronics here: www.mouser.com/.

disclaimer: haven't tried this myself, and did not come up with any of the above on my own--just though I'd pass it along.
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duckgrabber says:

Can somebody take one of these out on a rifle range or somewhere with marked distances and see what the actual max range is? I am currently using Skyports and love them, but if I can get significantly more range I just might switch. I'd love to get 1,500-- 2,000 ft. but I know there's only one brand that can give me that at the moment.


Kent in SD
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fjgindy says:

300'-350' ft. max seems to be the common reported distance for the cybersync's:

www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662406
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Francisco I says:

Duckgrabber, I understand you can set the receivers in repeater mode, actually increasing the range x2.
I think you should ask PCB himself, in his forum.
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z11355 says:

I discovered an interesting thing about the battery powered receivers today.

If you put them in repeater mode and hit the test button, they will fire any receivers in the area. that makes them a semi-transmitter and I'm thinking of velcroing one to the back of my L-358
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mmikee says:

Just got mine yesterday, when I opened the transmitter's box I noted the LED was on solid and quickly noted no power switch, I hit the flimsy test button a few times and nothing changed.

So I pulled out the manual, actually I wouldn't call it a manual, no explanation on LED. So I pulled the battery out and slid it back in, now I get a single blink, 10 second gap followed by a double blink, repeating over and over.

So I get a receiver out and hook a strobe up to it since pressing transmitters test button appears to do nothing to the receiver. With strobe attached and channels set the same test button on receiver fires flash while test button on transmitter does nothing.......again recheck the manual...er sales brochure....nothing.

Suddenly the strobe fires while I was looking at the brochure. Come to find out on every single flash of the transmitter LED my strobe fires. So I have a 20 second repeating strobe now.

Promptly called PCB, quickly got to a tech who said 'never seen one do that'. Tech apologized and said we will have another one on the way to me today.

So far impressed by tech support but very un-impressed with manual and quality control. Currently pondering if I should just return eveything while I can.
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g9chon [deleted] says:

A cable like this can allow you to use Cybersync as a shutter release.

C803
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very1silent  Pro User  says:

Mine showed up earlier this week, and I finally got to use them last night.

Things I like:
Despite warnings in the manual about sync speed, I found that I could shoot at 1/250 on a camera with a rated sync speed of 1/200 without any black banding, and minimal banding at 1/320. This sync speed stays the same, even after taking a whole lot of shots in cool weather. A MAJOR improvement over the ebay triggers, where the max sync speed dropped pretty quickly as the battery voltage fell.

The transmitter, despite its lack of a locking mechanism, fits quite snugly into my hot shoe. I don't think there is any real risk of it falling out.

Reliable operation with my Canon 580ex, something which the old v1 ebay triggers I have didn't do.

Despite being inside the range of a whole lot of wireless access points, which also use the 2.4ghz band, I didn't see any interference from those.

Things I dislike:
The lack of an on/off switch. I worry that leaving alkaline batteries in the receivers for a long time will induce leakage, damaging them.

On a similar note, the batteries are hard to remove. I'll probably end up putting a bit of ribbon under them to make this easier.

The supplied cables have an ordinary PC sync jack on the end, instead of a screw-lock jack. This is the kind of thing which would take Paul C. Buff a few cents to fix, but costs me $20 or more.

Too much packaging. I don't need every cable wrapped in its own little plastic bag. Might even save Paul C. Buff a tiny bit to eliminate them.
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Francisco I says:

very1silent, I guess PCB could save on package and spend what he save in the pc sync jack...

I´m waiting for my set. Ansious.
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Peter Tsai Photography  Pro User  says:

I just got mine 2 days ago.... with about a 1.5 week wait from placing my order to receiving them.

I think everything about them is pretty great... They seem much more simple than the pocket wizards and just as reliable. I love the fact that the transmitter is so small and that the unit shipped with all the cables I need to shoot with a monolight or a speedlight.

The biggest drawback to me is the lack of a lanyard to hang on a light stand, but the easy workaround is to put the receiver in a bag with a string on it.

I think the lack of an off switch is a mixed blessing - on one hand you will never forget to turn the thing off w/ the automatic shuttoff kicking in. On the other hand, I can see the button getting pressed a lot accidentally in my bag.
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Claborne - CameraNinja.com  Pro User  says:

I really like not having a on/off switch because I almost always miss one. I would have really preferred a spring-loaded sliding activation switch on the receiver though.
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PS-Photos.com says:

mine are coming in today, I'm excited
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Peter Tsai Photography  Pro User  says:

agreed on the switch slider... the button is way easy to press accidentally.
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petepixxx says:

Got mine! Same as everyone elses. They work.

I don't care TOO-O-O much about the switch, Eneloop batteries -- so it just doesn't matter.

But... I would like to put a washer around it so it doesn't get pressed in my case. I remember someone said that works but I can't find the thread on how to fasten the washer (plastic glue? gorlilla glue? contact cement?).

And since I'll probably send the receiver(s) back for the upgrade (next month?) when they add the additional sync connector I don't want to mess up the warranty.
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VibrantPhotographs says:

And since I'll probably send the receiver(s) back for the upgrade (next month?) when they add the additional sync connector I don't want to mess up the warranty.

Can you explain..... They started sending out the xmitter with the sync I believe but I had not heard of an extra connector on the receiver. I am holding out for the plus models anyway as I want to use with little flashes and AB strobes, so for the extra $ the control is worth it to me.
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duckgrabber says:

What are these future "plus" models? I too use a mix of SB flash and AB monolights.


Kent in SD
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PS-Photos.com says:

Do you mean a sync port on the transmitter? Mind came with one. Check out my thread I just made.
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joelovescoffee says:

I just received mine today. It only took a week after I selected 3 day shipping. Everything is good so far. I am working on a DIY for a lanyard and will post pics when it gets polished. I hope they add the lanyard to future models. FYI- On one of the postings above by FlashZebra it is mentioned that -- "Currently there is no sync socket on the transmitter (other than the flash foot). An update has been announced to add a sync port to the transmitter."

Guess what?? My transmitter that I received today has a sync socket on the side of it and in the box was an additional PC socket cable. Talk about fast revision! If your thinking of buying be on the lookout for future revisions. Mine work great!! Love the additional sync socket for added flexibility with the transmitter. PLease write to PCB and request lanyard attachment, this can be added.

Enjoy!!
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joelovescoffee says:

@PS-Photos You are spot on! We must have received the new transmitters!! Sweet!
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VibrantPhotographs says:

Plus Models... They are the receivers that have multi channels and can adjust stuff when using AB strobes (both new einsteins & some options on older AB/WL models!!) - only from the cyber commnder which is not out for a few months. The thing for me is that the basic trigger can be used with the plus receivers, so was going to do that then spring for the commander in a few months for my AB's.... (see the discussion on the PCB website)
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joelovescoffee says:

Thanks for the pics PS-Photos. Your lanyard was perfect. Saved me from doing something silly and voiding my warranty. I had ordered the lanyards on Ebay prior to receiving the CyberSyncs. I looked at your photos and duplicated your attachment point. I think it actually helps to keep the battery door closed snug! P.S. If anyone needs lanyards check out Ebay , I ordered 10 black lanyards delivered for a few bucks! Now for a case....hmmm
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elv0000 says:

Is the new sync port in the transmitter a miniphone (nad not PC) by any chance?
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PS-Photos.com says:

Your quick Joe, I just made a thread on the mod. Pretty sweet and super simple. Originally I ordered the lanyard for the eBay triggers but never did it because they were garbage.

Elv0000, the new and latest updated version of the transmitter come with a miniphone, not PC. I believe it comes with a miniphone to PC cord. Adaptors can be bought if needed.
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joelovescoffee says:

Miniphone.
www.flickr.com/photos/joelovescoffee/2742424665/
Bad photo from my iPhone! :)
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Peter Tsai Photography  Pro User  says:

Yep my transmitter has a port on it too... an unexpected surprise! (I got my Cybersync stuff on Monday of this week). It also shipped with a pc sync to miniphonecable.

Awesome b/c I want to have an on camera flash and be able to trigger the remote strobes as well.
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Josh Bowers  Pro User  says:

Got 5 receivers today (or is it yesterday now?):
www.flickr.com/photos/joshbowers/2826876365/

over 500 test shots, all triggered perfect.

Using the FlashZebra PC to Hotshoe Adapter (0065). Who ship things super fast, love them for sure.

Boxes from Alienbees, Mpex and Flashzebra on the front porch = Christmas feeling.
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JacobVorpahl says:

Ok, so now I'm wondering if I should dump my Skyports on eBay and pick these up. The Skyports work fine for me but I'd REALLY like the ability to remote trigger my camera (a D80) and it sounds like these can do that?

Jacob Vorpahl - OneBrightSpot
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VibrantPhotographs says:

I don't see why skyports cannot do that - hell the ebay ones would also. Hit flashzebra for the switch you need for a D80 and then plug in the skyports and you should be set. Confirm with Lon first as he would know.
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JacobVorpahl says:

I emailed him. That would be really cool if that were possible (plus it would save me from having to dump the Skyports, which are unfortunately still more expensive than the Cybersycs, but money is invested, right?).

Jacob Vorpahl - OneBrightSpot
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petepixxx says:

FYI for CSRB owners --

I dropped my CSRB onto a carpeted floor from about five feet. Not having a lanyard (fixed with tape & a keyring now) the darn plug came out. One of the batteries wouldn't stay inside anymore. I didn't have time to look at it.

Upon investigation -- one of the negative contact metal folding thingies had bent too far in and stayed. Didn't hold, or make contact with, the battery. A quick bend out to it's normal position and the CSRB is working fine. I thought you users should know.

Just another weird battery thingy going wrong recently. My MAHAs were haveing the plastic packaging form a ring from rubbing on the edge on the negative end. Then slipping a bit and stopping contact. Oh, batteries!!! I wish there was something better!
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NVcameraman says:

I just droped one one my recievers and it fell about 20 feet thru the bleachers hitting the gym floor. I picked it up and thought it was a goner as it rattled when i picked it up. I opened the battery compartment and found that the impact caused the battery to bend the metal tab also. I bent it out a little more to hold battery in tight. To my amasement the unit turned on and still worked. Now that is tough stuff
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alvinj88  Pro User  says:

I got 2 Nikon SB-28Dx. I'll have no probs if I order it right? no add ons?
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Rafael.Ribeiro says:

I have one transmitter and 2 recievers and they work perfctly great!!
I recommend this to everyone..


www.flickr.com/photos/rafaelphotographer/

This one i did with 2 SB-600 with a cyber sync in each one shoot almost 60f ft away from the couple..
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alvinj88  Pro User  says:

dude awesome shot! did u meter it?
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Rafael.Ribeiro says:

alvinj88, i think it was 1/4 or 1/8 power and a 1/2 cto and sto-fen diffuser on left strobe and 1/4 power shoot through umbrella on right
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alvinj88  Pro User  says:

so no lightmeter was used? wow. ur good. I kinda sucked when it comes to strobing..i tend do to harsh light if u check my profile..oh well..it's only been 9mos since I got into photography
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E.C. Nature Photos  Pro User  says:

Would it be possible to have one transmitter and one receiver hooked up to my 580 EX II and wirelessly trigger my 430 EX (or possibly more than one 430)? I hear that the Canon wireless triggering system has issues sometimes. Anyone have any experience with this? Apologies for the newbie questions!!! This whole wireless transmitter business is kind of a nightmare for beginners on a budget. Thanks again for the in depth review and information!
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alvinj88  Pro User  says:

I'm still confused. pw's or alienbees
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