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very nice - I like this one -
I caved in and ordered a alienbees dish - but I do have a similar one for my nikon strobe - but this is done ALOT nicer than mine
the cd package is awesome - gonna try it
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Looks good.
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Very neat. I bet customers wouldn't even notice that's a CD case... thing.
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Clever with the CD case, love that. Thanks for the idea.
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I like your CD reflector!
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You don't get any color cast from using the CD as a reflector? I might substitute aluminum foil rather than the CD, but otherwise, nice work...
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kd5jha - Nope, no color cast at all. You could use pretty much anything but I chose a cd cause it happened to be laying around when I was building it. Plus it's more of a mirror like surface than foil.
Thanks all for the replies.
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I like how light this is. I wouldn't worry about the weight being too much for my strobe to support. It also makes attaching it so much easier than adding an L-bracket.
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I'm curious how closely the curvature of this bowl matches a 'real' beauty dish. Isn't that a critical factor of getting the "beauty dish" look?
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You could also go to an auto parts store and see if there's a convex mirror that you could use instead of the CD.
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Great job, Tyler!
If you add some brand signs it will look like a "pro" dish.
Seeing your gallery I understand you can't use cereal boxes...
I guess the gutter thing can be somehow attached to the umbrella mount, to avoid to have all the weight on the flash.
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The CD has a 1.25" hole in the middle. When I made mine, I bought a plastic convex mirror (as jebleez suggests) for $3.50 and glued that over the CD, giving me more outward bounce and complete reflectivity.
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I used the CD case idea for my DIY ring flash, but it was hard to cut the end off without it spliting but worked on my first try,
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Plastic terracotta bowl, great idea...I'm gonna try this out myself. Thanks for the inspiration!
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Love the idea of the convex mirror that several posters put up... I actually have some of those on my truck, but it never occurred to me to try them here.
Now I'm jealous that I did not think of it first :)
RMG
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is the bowl from the plants section of HD?
Only thing I'd suggest is a clear version of the CD spindle cover...that one looks a bit opaque.
Cool light design though.
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kenkyee - yes, it's from the garden section.
The cover is actually clear but has a bit of a frosted look due to the reflective paint I sprayed on it. In theory the reflective paint would give the light a bit more pop but I haven't even been able to play with this one much less experiment with different covers. Even if there was a difference it would probably be so minute it really wouldn't matter.
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well done...!
Much better version than some other DIY's i've seen.
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Nice job, it looks great! I like the CD in the end for a reflector--ingenious! I do agree with Bassworks that a convex mirror will spread the light out a little better. They have them at Pep Boys for like $7--that is what I used.
Oh, and play with your zoom! Mine was too wide and shot past the reflector at first.
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Thanks Petey
Thanks morton. I didn't think about playing with the zoom.
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I went to HD today and found everything i needed! except for the plastic gutter thing. I looked in gardening, plumbing, and irrigation, did not know where that was. Any tips? Also, did you L-clamp, epox, or screw the gutter to the bowl? I can't wait to try this out!
Sample Photo's anyone?
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one of the best project seen until now
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The "plastic gutter thing" is over in/near "roofing materials," and is used to connect the downspout to the gutters on the eaves.
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Pure genius! I have to try this one!!
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blimey! thanks iaincaradoc, am on my way! now where's my dremel...
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Thanks iaincaradoc, I was going to get a part number and a pic but I've been kinda busy.
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nice. that looks like a 50 CD stack case, correct? I have a 100 CD case that I think I'll try this with, but set the strobe in farther so it's still pretty close to the lid and keeps the weight closer to the light-stand.
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perfect looking.
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tandaburk,
Just wanted to say thanks for your ingenious method - it motivated me to finally go out and build my own.
For my one I used a plastic planter base (rather than the planter itself), with a 25-CD case. The other change is that I used a convex mirror to help diffuse the light (a 37.5-CD case would probably have been the right height....). A Dremel tool makes short work of the cutting, and everything is held together with hot glue. Only mod I might make is to cut off the excess downspout connector that's protruding into the dish.
Total cost, not including paint, was <$15.
Now I just need to learn how to use the damn thing...
Cheers!
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Thanks doug-jenn. It looks like it turned out real nice. As much as I'd like to take the credit I have to say I was inspired by Nick Haskins creation. Here is a link to his beauty dish. Check out his site/blog. Awesome work!
Well, I look forward to seeing some pics with your new toy. I have yet to make some of my own.
www.flickr.com/photos/haskins/2109074311/in/set-721576034...
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The CD case will eat some light. You can avoid using it by just drilling three holes in your dish and three holes in a CD, then use nuts to attach the CD with bolts to position the reflector. I covered the hole in my CD with a 3.5" convex mirror. Works great.
For ideas on using one of these, go to Wizwow' site www.lighting-essentials.com and poke around.
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I can't quite visualize how the rain gutter adapter is held in place. Is it just glued on? It seems to me that the joint has to be pretty strong to hold the whole dish.
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captainxo,
The downspout connector looks essentially like this:
The connector has a large half and a small half, and everything either slides onto or into it. The bowl and cd case get cut out so that they slide snugly over the small half and butt up against the large half. I hot glued everything in place, but you could also use screws or brackets.
The flash fits into the large half and butts up against the smaller half. You could add padding to make a tighter fit, but everything is so light that there isn't a problem with it staying on, at least with my flash.
Hope that helps.
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I just built one of these over the weekend, and used a grey gutter adapter with four holes for screws. You can see it on David Tejada's blog post.
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Thanks. That's great. I need those gray gutter adapters.
Update: Cool... I found these puppies at HD under construction material section. $2.35! Perfect fit for my SB-80DX and SB-800.
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this is amazing! thanks for sharing this!!
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The commercial beauty dish comes in silver or white. Does anyone know the difference in light quality? or has anyone tested the difference? I'm going to see if I can find some info may be with the silver vs. white umbrella.
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What would happen if you took away the cd case, and covered the front with a sheet, lighting wise? Round directional softbox-ish, maybe?
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Great looking lights!
How about some test shots using them.
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How cool would it be to make a couple of different modifiers in the middle. One that slips on to make the ring light, another that slips on to make a small softbox style diffuser, another that acts like a grid, etc.
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Bob van Kan [deleted] says:
Wow, that looks surprisingly slick for a DIY project, nice work.
The term is 'cd cake box' btw.
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@flyhere
If you want to try or have both color dishes, just buy an extra planter dish and cut a hole in the center to allow ti to fit over the CD case and nest in the perm. mounted dish... I am sure that these things stack nicely by design for storage at the store...
Then just attach some Velcro to the back of the main dish and some Velcro strips to the secondary dish so that you can slip it on and Velcro it in place when you want to switch colors... If you don't like Velcro, use snap on buttons from the fabric store.
Then just paint the 2nd dish with either matte silver or Chrome spray paint... I bet that will work great and you can have both colors...
RMG
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This is a sweet DIY BD. I'm going to give this a try this weekend. Thanks - Andy.
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As someone posted a few months back, these downspout connectors are also good for grids, either with filled straws or the honeycomb material for sale.
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I'd actually been talking to DH about using mirrors to spread better. For me the truly innovative thing is using the CD case.. I'll be doing a few mods to my own dish very shortly!
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Anyone around here who knows in Germany a supplier for these downspout connectors or grey gutters? If I knew the german wording for these I probably knew where to start but I don´t :(
TIA!
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I don't speak very good German, but I think the gutter outlet is called "Der Rinnenstutzen". Hope that helps.
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@george: bei obi gibts sowas bei den regenrinnen. es ist ein verbidungstück
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Mikko, you're very close.
I consulted the online dictionary dict.leo.org, and it offers a number of Alternatives.
Since I work as translator, I extrapolated the found terms and arrived at "Überlaufrohr-Anschlußstutzen".
Try your luck with that one, George - I suspect every hardware store might use their own terminological variation. So, my best bet would be to actually visit a store and look at what they offer. That's an interesting mental exercise anyway - to figure out how you can creatively abuse parts that actually had been designed for another purpose. ;)
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@cfm04
!! :thumbsup: !! Vielen Dank!!
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anyone want to show off some pictures created with the diy beauty dish?
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Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of light is lost by the light that hits the center of the mirror / reflective object? All that light would bounce right back towards the center of the flash, and would have to be reflected again before (if) it hits the side of the dish.
It would seem to me that a better solution would be more of a cone-shaped reflector, with a steep angle at the tip and a shallower angle at the base. This would make sure that all light is directed away from the flash and towards the sides of the dish, and hopefully would reduce light loss.
Or, maybe a small "short" cone could be placed on center of the mirror and redirect just the light that would have been bounced back at the flash.
Something like this may be able to be scupled out of stryrofoam and covered in reflective aluminum HVAC tape, (or someone might find something similar at a Dollar Store that could be wrapped in foil tape and repurposed...)
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@nbergevi
That's why some have improved upon this design by adding a convex mirror to the center of the CD case where the flash head is directed.
This directs the light outwards and into the dish...where it is dispersed.
But yes, you do lose some light to the reflections, but all modifiers normally cost you some light.
The filter companies (Lee,Roscoe,and GAM) actually all make a mirror silver material that could be cut into a strip and glued with spray adhesive to the bowl, but I am not sure that it would perform better than chrome spray paint...
See my post above...
RMG
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kd5jha edited this topic 62 months ago.
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nbergevi! What about a plastic funnel (with the narrow tube cut off, just the cone part) covered in reflective tape/tin foil? Your idea of the angled reflector seems to make more sense (to me) than the flat CD or slightly curved mirror... but I guess we'll never know until someone tries it.
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nbergevi, cone-shaped reflectors are used in some omnidirectional hifi loudspeaker designs: The loudspeaker faces up vertically, and the cone sits on top of the speaker, pointing with its tip to the speaker's center. The shape of this cone is not a mathematically precise cone, it rather features a parabolic curve , so it should be quite suitable for reflecting light. These audio reflectors were made of black glossy plastic and had a base diameter of some three or five inches. The last time I saw such a thing is some years ago, but maybe someone still knows a manufacturer who makes these things.
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Someone asked for a sample shot using this DIY dish, so here's my result. The model is no beauty, but the dish is. It's the only light working in the shot (without reflectors), and all the info can be found when you visit my page thing. As you can tell, the dish is on a stand just left of camera, hence the chin shadow. Leaving the model out of it, I appreciate any comments and/or suggestions.
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I'm trying to figure out some sort of stand as an alternative to the cd-cakebox. I have some of those, but they are in use and can't spare them! Maybe 3 pieces of thin guage welding rod set into 3 holes in the bowl and glued into place? Sounds awfully rigged though.
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Yeah, I'm no beauty either, but I did just finish my beauty dish and here are some quick (I-have-no-idea-what-I'm-doing-with-this-thing) photos.
 
Couple of things about my dish:
- I did use the convex mirror inside the cd case. Could only find a 3" one though.
- The Home Depot by me only had 17" pots, so mines a bit larger.
- In my stupidity (hey, it's my 1st DIY project!) I put the plastic spout in backwards (so it's sticking into the pot). It still works well though.
- I first saw this on David Tejada's site (who linked back to this thread), so I got most of the extra ideas from him.
- HD didn't have the Krylon paint either, so it's just basic Rustoleum plastic spray paint.
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
Thanks guys, this is a really good idea! Im going to B&Q in 30 mins with a long checklist of things I need :) going to be fun building it!
@doug-jenn
Maybe you should cut off the downspout connector that sticks out inside the pot? I think you are losing a lot of light!
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Thanks for posting this.. I have a weekend project now.. Time to hit good ol home depot after work =D
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nice thanks for the brain work
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
Can anyone from UK tell me where I can get a hold of a Convex Mirror?
I have been to B&Q, Homebase, Wicks, Three car places and still no luck! Also cannot get a hold of the downspout connector, at least not the size of the flash head...
help would be appreciated!
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Convex mirrors are very dangerous, one could focus it on an object and burn it, so they made them illegal in the UK :)
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alfredk - I'm pretty sure you mean conCAVE mirrors.
A convex mirror disperses light. A concave mirror focuses it.
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-alfredk I may be wrong but; are you thinking about concave mirrors. Something concave tends to collect while convex disperses.
Sound right????
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
If anybody is in a similar situation as me, look on ebay.co.uk and type in "trucker blindspot mirror". Its 4" in size and costs £4.20.
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damnit! finished making mine, but its too heavy with my 550ex with the poverty wizard on the hot shoe on top of my light stand. the poverty wizard cant handle the weight and it keeps tilting forward!!!
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
@ matthewmillerphotography.com
I guess im screwed then as well... I have a povertywizard too... I suppose I could use it with a short sync lead, but not sure which one i will need... I have a 580ex MK II which has a sync port.
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yea...lucky you ...you have a sync port...im sort F'd with the 550ex.
damn the crappy strength of the poverty wizard tilt screw thingy!!!!
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One word - COLLAPSIBLE...
www.amazon.com/5-Quart-Collapsible-MIXING-kitchen-cooking...
(Now, to find some spring with a very wide opening to suspend the center reflector by...)
As far as mounting options for the Poverty Wizards, didn't David have a post a while ago about a piece of metal that had a 1/4" screw hole in it that he attached to the underside of an old Vivitar flash? Make a mounting hole connected to the bowl itself, and mount that to the light stand (or umbrella adapter) instead of putting the stress on the flash / Poverty Wizard.
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The next step:
Where does one get grid material for the front?
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Gooooooood question richryan. I have been pondering a DIY solution for quite sometime now.
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Collapsible is a seller!
How about, inside of collapsible bowl, put round aluminum panel with convex mirror with three spring coil legs.
CD spindle is an excellent idea, but I had to give up on making ring flash with it a few month ago as it eats up too much of light. You can cut out a piece and place it on flash like a gel to see how much you loose in f/stops.
I still think it is a genius idea to put bowl in combination with CD spindle.
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
SB LIGHTER,
What if you cut out a number of square shaped holes in the CD spindle? Then it shouldn't lose as much light.
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I have found in tests with my own DIY B/Dish that one of the traps of using just a single CD to act as a diffuser is that the strong light of the flash will pass right through it!!
Using a centre Mirror is of course a far better idea but being able to locate a concave mirror at not only the right size but also the right price here in the UK is a real needle in a haystack job! So if you happen to know where to obtain one let us all know! TB (UK)
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Can someone please point me in the right direction in regards to where i might source these items in the uk?! I can't even find a suitable bowl so far :(
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@Anthony: If you're looking for a convex mirror, that'll be part of the problem. You need a concave one. I would have thought that Halfords would be a good starting point in the UK.
Edit: Damn! I knew what I wanted to say, and like an idiot I got those the wrong way round. Proof read folks. Proof read!
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Just so everyone is clear, you want the mirror to be convex, not concave. A concave mirror would simply concentrate the light back at the flash. A convex mirror helps disperse the light around the bowl (the bowl itself is concave, so maybe that's part of the confusion...).
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For those of you that are interested in finding a larger convex mirror... I have found up to a 8.5" one here:
www.ehburrellinc.com/shopping/mirrors/open-road-convex-mi...
RMG
I just went and measured the inside of a CD case, and it was right at 5" so that might be the max size for that design...
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This is, by far, the BEST DIY beauty dish I have seen in this Group! Fantastic job!!! i am going to make this this weekend.
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
I found a 4" convex mirror on ebay, but there doesn't seem to be any left. Try searching for "trucker blind spot mirror" or such.
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I found some 4" convex mirrors at my local NAPA auto supply store. They were $2.29 each.
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kilotonic [deleted] says:
I found an interesting alternative to the convex mirror last night at Harbor Freight. The base of this Fake Security Camera Dome unscrews and the fake camera portion can be pulled out.
Then paint the inside of the dome silver, and essentially you have a fully domed mirror. I'm building one of these this weekend using this variation along with an 18" planter and a taller cakebox to allow for the extra height on the dome reflector... I'll be sure to let you guys know how it works out.
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We're So Tired [deleted] says:
I found a 3 3/4" convex mirror at Ace Hardware... I got the dish and downspout (and paint) at HD yesterday. One change I plan to make is to suspend the mirror with heavy duty fish line rather than using the CD case, which I figure will cut less light.
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I am thinking about cutting out large round holes ( about 3) on the side of CD case to let out more lights. puch out lines of small holes along the arc of big circles, then cut thru connecting each punch holes to make large hoes. If cut out in rectangular shapes, it may not be as rigid, IMHO.
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Great post! I got quite excited when i first saw this! I spent 2 hours between 2 DIY places trying to get the materials to make my own, the only thing I could source was the spray paint!!!!! How shit are the DIY stores in Scotland, gutted.............. :-(
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I completed mine.. Took about an hour to put together.. It's outside drying at the moment.. It cost me about $25 bucks from home depot and shucks auto supply for the mirror.. =D
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I might try and make one of these as well :)
Look very nice. What size bowls are everyone using by the way??
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laimonas-stasiulis [deleted] says:
Mine is 15", lucky i had an old one in my garden, because I couldn't find any new ones with bowl-shape in shops (looked through B&Q, Homebase, Wicks). Still not found the gutter thing but oh well...
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I have a 430EX flash and a 580EXII flash.
The grey gutter adapter is too small for the 580EX, but the 430EX will barely squeeze onto the 430EX.
Assuming I only make one (though for the price I can easily afford two), I guess I'll have to use the white plastic gutter in order to use my 580EX.
For anybody that's used the white gutter adapter that doug-used... did you guys cut off the smaller half?
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@PhotosByVic: I had the same problem as you. And with enough brainstorming, the best solution I came up with was to use the white gutter adapter with my 580exII. It doesn't seem to fit at first but if you actually squeeze the plastic gutter with your hands you are able to slide the little guy onto the flash. It doesn't scratch the flash either because of the 580's rubber grip. This gives the beauty dish a secure hold when you cut for the smaller part.
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Another DIY project to add to my list. Just as well I'm a handy woman.
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The only thing I will add to this beauty dish thing is.....isn't the reflector in front of the light source in a Norman beauty dish concave?
this is to directly push the Photons back at the parabolic dish.....
Why have we gone to convex on the DYS versions
I could be wrong but I saw a Norman with the concave or was I dreaming?
Reason I am asking ...I'm working on the 22" water heater home depot version.
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how efficient is this make?
i did something similar to this and frankly my strobe just lost it- i was getting something like f 5,3 at about 1/2 Power just about a metre away from my subject and at iso 200-
oh and i am using the 283 vivitar ;-(
really sad day for me on this one!
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@ictigoibitties:
The white gutter is "unsqueezable"... it's pretty thick plastic.
I can squeeze grey gutter adapter around the 430ex... but there's NO way you could fit the 580ex in there...
@Wink... which 22" water heater version? Share the link!
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mmm.. i'll take a few pictures of my flash for you and post them up as soon as I can, it's squeezable, or maybe im just arnold
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@ photosbyvic
here ya go....
www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productI...
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@Wink: The Norman one is designed for a bare flash tube, not a fresnel lens. The tube naturally illuminates the whole surface and the centre piece is more to stop the direct light from the tube.
With the hotshoe DIY versions we need to turn a direct beam of light into a scattered one and to get that light onto the entire surface of the dish.
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White paint drying in the garage!
BTW... using a utility knife to cut the pot and the CD spindle is a PAIN... and I'm NOT looking forward to cutting the gutter adapter.
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nbergevi suggested a cone shape as apposed to the convex mirror earlier in the post. Thought that was an interesting concept so I quickly made one out of posterboard and covered it with aluminum foil. Tried a few quick shots and it did seem to squeeze out a bit more light. How much exactly is unknown. I'll try to get some pics up comparing the different options (mirror, cd, cone etc.). It was a quick experiment but for those looking to do this dish, I would suggest going with the cone idea. Not only is there a bit more light but you save the $$ from the mirror. I know, big deal what is a $1.95 for a mirror right? Well, I agree but another reason to go with the cone idea is that it weighs less than the mirror. So there. :) Then take the $1.95 you saved from the mirror and buy a bottle of Boones to celebrate your new toy.
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