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Saves on multiple flashes eh?
Downside....you can only do this with static sets
Isn't this like "bulb" setting and you can do it in one frame with no PP?
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Wink of an Eye Digital Media edited this topic 51 months ago.
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Thats a really cool look. Like Dave Hill meets Vivaldi.
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Creepy!
Now to see if this can be automated :P
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Interesting idea/technique. Does this only work as long as the entire scenery is on one plane, or would this technique also allow architecture shots such as e.g. the interior of a church?
Your example looks as if the flash position is pretty much identical with the camera position. Would it also be possible to use off camera lighting?
Does the flash need to be in exactly the same position for all the shots of the set?
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tschnitzlein edited this topic 51 months ago.
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Your example looks as if the flash position is pretty much identical with the camera position. Would it also be possible to use off camera lighting?
Does the flash need to be in exactly the same position for all the shots of the set?
uhm.... the point is you change where you flash with each frame.
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Wink, It actually has a different quality than doing it with bulb and one frame. Probably the biggest difference is this method blends the images so overexposed and underexposed pixels get clipped. In bulb and one frame there is no control of over and under exposed pixels.
I'll put together a frame capture of the source images.
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Here are the source images. Notice that there are over and underexposed parts of each image but when blended the process only takes pixels which fall in the central region of each histogram.
That's kind of a general way of describing what the blending algorithm is doing.
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This is a technique we used to call light painting. A photographer named Aaron Jones came up with a technique similar to this with strobes and hot lights and fiberoptics... There are also many architectural shooters doing the similar thing. One I know can end up with 50-80 layers... Yes, he has a full time PShop person.
Try this: on some exposures, use a diffuser over the lens... not all... heh heh - just a few. Add them in and see what can happen.
Great job on this... I can see a lot of applications.
EDIT: I remembered that it was called the Hosemaster. Calumet carries them I believe. Looks like Aaron has left the business (and for a few years there, he was simply the hottest around because of his technique.) There is a Flickr group that has a lot of the lightpainting things going on in Aaron's name:
www.flickr.com/groups/39686250@N00/
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Wizwow, yes that is very cool, I joined the group and I've done a few painting with light projects myself. I thought about the difference and it seems that blending a flash merging image set creates a uniformly lit scene provided the flash work is done at enough positions. I usually go with 3-7 images. The painting with light is more contrast oriented and can have blown pixels depending on technique.
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Yep Wizwow is correct- Aaron Jones actually brought this technique to the table top shooters with his now famous light hose aka the hosemaster. Another interesting thing to note is a lot of the earlier architectural photogs utilzed the same tecnique when lighting large Cathedrals and other large spaces. They would leave the camera on bulb and then run around the room popping the strobes to create the effect. (This as you can imagine took quite a bit of calculating because they had to make it work on 1 piece of film vs. picking and choosing from different exposures (digital frames) - In modern flickr times- our own Strobist Scott Hargis has also utilized this tecnique.
Old stuff revisited but still quite interesting.
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firstlightcreative.com edited this topic 51 months ago.
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Way cool! I'll have to try this.
Does anyone know if Adobe CS3 will compile the frames?
Thanks
Don Wink
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Just a brief aside on architectural light painting, I met a photographer recently that talked about shooting large manufacturing facilities like Ford Motor Company using very large flash bulbs with very long exposures. He mentioned climbing up into the roof trusses to place them with an optical triggering devise of some type. It sounded like lighting alchemy to get it together in a final photograph. Come to think of it he looked a bit like a wizard while speaking.
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There was also a photographer who did the same thing with flash bulbs (placing them through the scene strategically) but he would make large photos with a cirkut camera. These were some of the first true panoramic cameras. I recall one shot was a banqut hall and the place was lit beautifully. There was another shot that was a night shot of a train as well- and the whole train was light- just incredible when you think of what it takes- again on one piece of film. It makes it almost tooooo easy when you can do it on multiple frames on digital.
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Wink of an Eye.. using layers and selectivly choosing what you wish to use of the frame and what not to use can be done quite easily in cs - best way to do it is to mask each layer and reveal (erase or us brush) what you wish to come through. I have some examples of this- if I think of it I will post some. I am out of my studio at this time.
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wow, that's just craptacular.
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mcmullen what's crappy the pic or the technique or both? I reached out and presented a technique others can try with a single flash, particularly those photographers that don't have the cash to buy studio equipment.
Here is another example:
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gives a painted quality.
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I've been experimenting with something similar lately - composting uniquely lit parts of an image together into an HDR scene. Nothing great yet; the compositions i've done so far suck artistically but the technique is cool and has a lot of potential . Love the idea and you seem to execute it well.
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The second photo is much more successful in my opinion. I don't recall the last time I saw a photo that looked so much like a painting. It's a really beautiful effect.
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mcmullen seems to always have an opinon.
Different rocks. Nice work. Dave Hill meets Vivaldi? A photographer and a Composer? I would've thought a painter...
Anyhow creating a style is hard to do and I think you've succeeded. Try it with people next. Make sure you get the intial persons shots first and then the set...
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This is quite creative.. I really like it a lot! I might give this a shot! I have a 580EX II and a poverty wizard from Ebay is on its way.. i might try this out and see how it comes out with HDR! Thanks for sharing!
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This is really different.....almost 3D ish.
I really like it
Debbi
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Interesting and thanks for posting. Would like to see the results on a non "painterly" set in the first place though if you've got them?
Kind regards
DWBell
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dwbell - I have about 10 different examples of flash merging in my book on HDR, it'll come out in May.
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@beforethecoffee - saw the worm, saw the hook, line and sinker and swam right by I'm afraid! ;-) Good luck with it, I'll check out some on line reviews after it's released.
Kind regards,
DWBell
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Here is another example of flash merging. This was done during daytime hours - something you can't do with firing a strobe while the shutter is open.
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We used to mask in-camera on sheet film back in the day. I also carried my 15lb. Gitzo out in the field.
On donkeys. Barefoot and pregnant.
I lost both my eyes too.
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hah
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As others have pointed out, "flash merging" is a well-known light painting technique that was around before digital was invented. I have used it many times, using both the bulb technique, and photoshop.
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Actually it's quite different when you start to look at all the aspects of each. Light painting allows blown pixels in the final image Flash merging does not, blown pixels are clipped and replaced with pixels of another image.
Flash merging in some cases depending on the program is merged to 32-bit HDRI.
Pre-digital film techniques of light painting is very different. Low light or darkness is required and the exposure is on a single piece of film. Also one takes a chance with proper exposure. Flash merging can take place during daylight with 1/250sec shutters.
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before the coffee . . .
change is hard. your responses to your thread seem to insist on comparing flash merging, as change is hard. what you have done is new, it uses digital thinking, fast shutter, daylight, and the algorithm of Photomatix Pro to clip the overexposed hightlights.
I get it.
BTW, are you working on another HDR book?
jim
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Helped me solve an industrial problem - thanks a lot.
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Really cool technique!
But to tell you the truth for that chair one, I really liked the source images better. The HDR seems a bit too evenly lit as well. Shadows and hilights give an image character. And I thought the point of HDR was just to preserve the details in them?
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