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Those are all good ... here's a Rembrandt. Look at the use of light and shadow.
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Here is a link. Tons of masters. Sometimes I clip poses for reference.
www.abcgallery.com/
That piece above is great. And notice the light is OFF camera ( I mean off canvas, or off artist... well, you know)
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Rembrandt got it down.
Thanks for the link -- wow, lots of inspiration there... Keep them coming!!
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You mean, besides Wizwow?
(hehheh)
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Boy, he'll be hot about that one........ as soon as he wakes up from his nap........
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Keep'm coming? flashgordo didn't provide enough information, or have you already absorbed that whole website?!? ;)
I'd say visit a musuem and talk to the people who work/visit. Seeing such an object of beauty on a computer screen does not compare to seeing the real thing (or reproduction ;) ).
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CB-
Yeah, now that he has figured out how to increase the font size in his browser, he catches a lot more stuff...
I understand he did a workshop with Vermeer once. That's where he learned how to do kiarascur... charakura... uh, crosslighting.
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Actually, If you look really close at the mirror detail in Jan van Eyck's Arnolfini Wedding, I think you can see Wizwow. I think there's even a strobe reflection. Is he using on-camera flash with a small softbox for a little fill?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arnolfini_Portrait
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Arnolfini_Portrait,_d%c3%...
(Sorry, Wizwow. I couldn't resist.)
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You know, you're right. Just didn't recognize the dark hair!
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"Dark hair" yeah yeah... funny...
Lets' all make fun of the geriatric guy.
As soon as the Metamucil kicks in and I can get to my walker I'll have a thing or two to say about....
what were we talking about?
I didn't use strobes here. We set fire to a couple of villagers that were accused of heresy and placed them in front of shiny mirrors. The bounced light provided a very soft, yet warm feeling. I hung silk stolen from some Bedouins in between. That diffused the light.
My fourteen assistants (all nubile young women) made quick sketches of their assigned portions. (sort of like a polaroid, but so much more fun to watch...) I then painted with light.... brushes.
Heh...
Thanks Carlos for the headsup....
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LMAO. Can't breathe.
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I really like Vermeer. That is the painterly style that I want to achieve.
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i was about to mention vermeer he is great treating light
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Wiz-
I knew you'd come through.
ardilationship-
Vermeer used Profoto, from what I understand. 7B's.
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Geez... someone just explained how Rembrant used SB-24 and SB-26 to light his Philosopher Meditating. That guy needs help ;) ... wonder who he is... ??
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Blasphemy.... all blasphemy.
Although I did reverse engineer daVinci's Last Supper and noticed how he gobo'd his Vivitarius CCLXXXV to leave the background windows darkened...it balances well with the exterior ambient light.
Now we're all gonna go where the color temperature is 2100*.
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Check out this pic I shot. I think that this is what you guys are talking about. I shot this picture over the weekend for my Christmas card. Rembrandt was my inspiration, along with some Vermeer. I did study painting in another life. But cameras are oh so much faster.
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I'm just curious.... how old do you have to be in order to be considered an OLD Master?
Whatever age it is, I don't think I'm there yet.
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Nabity, It looks like DaVinci was using a 2 stop grad ND in addition to balancing his strobes to the ambient. I think that was a bad call on his part.
(Actually, the image doesn't look quite right. There should be a lot more detail in the ceiling.)
Wiz...You're a good sport!
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The Good Reverend Ogalthorpe [deleted] says:
In order to be an old master, one must first be considered to be a master.
-Confucius
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Desiree Dolron has some serious "Dutch master" style light going on in her photography. The work is truly stunning.
- - - - - - warning - - - - - some photos at the link below may be NSFW so only click on the link if you are at home.
Enjoy!
www.desireedolron.com/
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here is one I like (large softbox to the painter's left - and maybe a snooted flash on the plant in the foreground? ;-)
the guy is actually trying to turn off the lady's ipod
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A.J., that painting reminds me of a nice thread about studying the light of masters we had six months ago.
Don't miss the 17th century "Dave Hill look". Sorry, Ogalthorpe.
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Vermeer painted with a Camera Obscura and was obsessed with tiny details. In that sense, he's the closest to a photographer. The only thing is, he painted almost exclusively in his studio and always scenes lit from the left by a window (which remains to this day a great way to light people and things).
The Baroque period would probably be the best if you're looking for light as an integral property of a composition. The Renaissance paintings are fairly flat-looking in comparison; the Rococo period that loosely speaking followed the Baroque is often "lit" very softly and discretely in comparison to the drama of (in particular) the Catholic baroque artists (which is to say, not including Rembrandt, basically).
Velasquez modified Caravaggio's "tenebrism" (or extreme, directional light-shadow transitions) much in the same way as the early Rembrandt works.
Las Meninas, by Velasquez
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Another Vermeer :)
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I'd love to recreate "An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump" (1768) by Joseph Wright of Derby. The painting is stunning. It's in the National Gallery in London.
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Neil Turner over at
www.dg28.com
has a technique page on north light photography
www.dg28.com/technique/north_light.htm
Check his site out all over but that page is pertinent to this discussion
tby_v
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@lauriemarie01: The painting is quite clearly a composite of two images. And by looks of things, in the left hand image, Da Vinci had got his shutter speed too high for his eBay triggers.
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Old Masters? It all looks like Photoshop trickery to me. :)
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Caravaggio really is the Original. especially when you look at single light source.
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... i did a last supper remake... well... tried to...
www.flickr.com/photos/maneeacc/317598652/
www.flickr.com/photos/maneeacc/317598891/
but yes... old paintings are quite the light study... even for postures and subject positions... 500 years old... but works like a charm... inspirational...
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This is my first post to this group, just want to say hello and I really appreciate the insight I glean from Strobist.
Well, Vermeer of course comes to my mind first, but I have always loved his works.
I was walking through the main Boston Public Library last year, in a closed off section (sneaky me), and came accross this ladder that screamed Vermeer. Later when I got home, I went through a book of Vermeer's works and decided it was his "Milkmaid" painting that this ladder remind me of; I am glad I photographed it.
Check out this link for some great works www.umehon.maine.edu/civilizations/211/dutchgenre-b.htm
Cheers,
Johnny
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I viewed a Rubin show in Brussels at the weekend and looked at them in a different way since getting more into photography
Portraits looked like he used a lot of single point light to cast a shadow on one side of the face
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Painting hard light is hard to do and impressive when it is done well. Don't limit yourself to the dead guys, though. Current painters are also doing incredible work. Check out Arsen Kurbanov, for example.
www.millergallery.com/title.php?ititlenum=10005137
Don't forget about the masters of painting soft diffused light. Monet's Haystacks are something that comes immediately. But if you're thinking about portraits Bouguereau is someone to look at.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_(1...
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Funny to see this thread coming up. I actually just bought "Art History for Dummies" (don't laugh, the dummy books are usually great, if you just get past the title), and I was coming up with this project for myself, to try to emulate the styles and concepts of the different periods and movements, as a learning exercise.
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JPCimage [deleted] says:
How many Stops does oil paint have ?
One thing many of these "old masters" understood very well was "Motivation" in lighting... or shadow. Amazing, they knew to paint boke.
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I work for an art museum, we have Caravaggio's St John the Baptist. Very heavy use of gridded light. I don't usually hang out in that part of the complex, but now it looks like I need to go for a walk during lunch. :)
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@jpcimage
How many Stops does oil paint have?
hahaha! ;-) nice one
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Great Stuff on this board
Do any of you know how "ingrained" photographers are with the way the Masters produced depth in their photos.
Why?
Nuture Vs nature.
"We see with our inner eye what we have been taught to see"
What is fimilar is copied or revered
It is our Western Civ influence
Ok....now this segways into the "History of the World Part I"
Then the Critic was born!
www.jdmfilmreviews.com/userimages/user-7121660_1164677975...
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And one other thing!!!!
photographers didn't have no paint to show shadows and light.
We have to be there when it happens and gobo our shadows and fill our compsition like the chimps we are!.
None of the Master stuff mix'in paint and painting upside down in the cold of some chapel with very big ceilings imitating pictures way before....ahh I'll stop now
;-)
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I'd vote for Edward Hopper. His use of more than one apparent light source from different directions is amazing.
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I'll add my vote for Vermeer. Long before ever seeing the word Strobist or having a clue about anything other than nuking them with on camera flash the lighting in the works by Vermeer really struck me. To tell the truth I hadn't ever thought much about lighting before that. When I saw the movie Girl with a Pearl Earring, a fictional account of the model in the painting by Vermeer of the same name, I was struck that the lighting throughout the movie was inspired by Vermeer. I had never reflected much on movie lighting before either.
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Rembrandt - Parable of the Rich Man.
Speedlight at 1/8 power cupped behind the hand. Rembrandt later reshot the image with the speedlight in the rich man's mouth.
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@eric.schmiedl That is a photo of Queen Elizabeth by Annie Leibovitz
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Just messing around:
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More about Vermeer again, and the movie "Girl with a pearl earring"
(about the movie, about the painting).
Worth watching, really. (the movie and the painting ;--)
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I was inspired by you guys again but never got the chance to try it at home since most of my windows are blocked by trees.
Almost a snap shot since the wedding photog was on his way to do his thing, but I was still able to get this shot after hurriedly setting up my flashes.
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Can we really learn from old masters ?
I mean, they're dead now... they don't sell any DVD !
Seems a great pic, jon, btw.
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I think the old masters have a DVD in the Akashic records.
They probly did'nt think about light as hard as we strobists, they just saw the pictures in there minds much better and each picture had more feeling and emotion backing it up i bet.
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Seeing one of these painters works in person is a truly amazing experience. A photo does not begin to convey the depth of the original. I have seen a Vermeer in the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna cache.virtualtourist.com/2991350-Vermeer-Vienna.jpg and a Rembrandt in the Timken Museum in San Diego www.rembrandtpainting.net/complete_catalogue/storia_b/ima... and they are truly mind boggling.
Speaking of old masters watch the movie " Girl With A Pearl Earring" if you want to see a masterful bit of cinema lighting and cinematography. It was nominated for Academy awards in cinematography, art direction and costume design. It should have won if it didn't.
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With the recent film noir lighting assignment I would suggest reading this article:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiaroscuro
Baroque painting has dramatic lighting too :) Here Caravaggio, Michelangelo, the Carraci brothers, Rembrandt, Jan Vermeer, Nicolas Poussin, Diego Velásquez, Antoine Le Nain to name a few.
Also here is a great page that has lots of galleries by author www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/art/index.html
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I've always been a fan of Mucha...
I also like Escher. Neither are probably considered 'old masters' but both were extremely talented artists that have inspired me.
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"Quarter CTO. I like warmth on the key, but not too much. A lot of what you see in my work is color shifts due to time. The inkjet guy said archival. Bullshit. I started getting shifts after just 175 years. Boy, I miss Kodachrome." - Rembrandt
strobist.blogspot.com/2008/12/beers-with-rembrandt.html
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@Darien chin: even if this is 12 months old, Mucha ROCKS, I have the bad habit of getting posters because I simply can't control myself from buying them :(.
For those who want to see Mucha's work images.google.com/images?q=alfons mucha&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
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tomnorth [deleted] says:
Monet and Renoir.
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I didn't use strobes here. We set fire to a couple of villagers that were accused of heresy and placed them in front of shiny mirrors.
Heh, heh, heh...
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I was always a fan of Chuck Close.......
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minor white and maplethorpe.
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This thread is not "25 and under" approved.
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fstops and shutter speeds [deleted] says:
Maplethorpe? surely you jest...
//bullwhip
there's a great bit in the new Leibovitz book talking about covering conflict in Sarajevo and mentioned how the light usually only came in from one window or door(a result of no electricity...anywhere.) She mentioned it as being deeply moving and most liekyl owing to Rembrandt
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You mean the masters at Playboy don't count?
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Studying the old masters is one thing but to create something that will last means more than just copying and continuing a tradition. We have a lot more means at our disposal these days than they did to create interesting images it just means stepping aside somewhat from the current Flickr fashions and doing something that has a personal meaning, IMO.
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Composition is key to this lighting, as points of light are used to direct the viewers attention, however use of different compostion techniques enables the logical response to the lighting.
And in English dont forget compostion principles whilst figuring out your light.
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WOW! Im new to photography and new to learning how to study the art to improve my game. This convo has really put me 5 - 10 years ahead of my peers who have yet to learn or try to learn how to study.
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I might be old, but at least I don't have Alzheimer's.
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I might be old, but at least I don't have Alzheimers.
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Well, with that double post, I'm not sure you remembered you hit "Post Now" already :P
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maybe you do
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maybe you do
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Keep it down in here, Wizwow's trying to sleep!
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LMAO...OMG, YOU ARE CRAZY...Now my ribs hurt from laughing
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did you guys already see this theory that Carvaggio actually may have used... photography onto his canvas to make his compositions? i thought it was interesting and kind of funny if it turned out to be true. www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/4968509/Caravaggio-used-p...
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