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I can now confirm that they will sync upto speeds of 1/1000 on a camera that is capable of it. Which IMHO is pretty good.
Ive not had any reliability problems so far, though I'm a little worried about the redesigned on/off button on the reciever on my new one. But I havent had one accidentally turn itself on yet.
Hopefully the feedback I gave the flash centre on the power button will work its way back to Elinchrom and they will change the design back.
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Thanks for the info about the sync, I will add that to the review if thats okay!
Whats the difference with the new on/off button? Is that one of the receiver only sets?
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Here is the difference between the two.
www.flickr.com/photos/paulophoto/577628649/
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oh what! I want a new one now!!!
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really good review... I hadn't even considered these until I saw paulo's at the seminar... really light and small and exactly what i'd be after
bit annoying that they use different batteries though... (Edit: just looking on speedgraphic and they mentioned they both use rechargable li-ion) and the PW's don't come in pink anymore which is a bonus...
do you have to put the aerial up on the skyports though? I'm sure it would give you a larger range... but do they fire with it folded back?
and can you get the receivers now seperately as i'd need two of those
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They do still work with the aerial folded down, and with good range... But better range still when the aerial is up!
If using for portraits etc then probably don't need to put them up, but if doing sports then its worth doing so!
Yeah that new button does look a little iffy Paulo. Is the aerial itself the same design?
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The aerial is the same design, a bit on the flimsy side. You'll have to take care of them.
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Yeah you can get separate receivers now, not sure where from though!
I have added the extra details to the review and linked you Paulo, thanks.
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Two questions:
- Is the battery of the transmitter rechargeable? Or where can you buy a replacement?
- Can the skyports be used to trigger the camera (instead of the flashes.)
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The battery on the transmitter isnt rechargeable. No idea where you get the replacement from TBH,
Ive not tried tried triggering a camer off it.
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i ordered the last universal set from the flash centre (uk) today, it was £116 for the set and £76 for an extra reciever, with postage i paid £199 for a transmitter and 2 recievers.
i can't wait to get them cause my ebay ones were fine as a starting point but really, they are crap, especially with my 430ex, works one minute, not the next, then fires by itself for 10 minutes, then doesnt work...
tyron
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The transmitter battery is the type CR2430 (3 V). I believe you can trigger a camera with the right cables, but I haven't tried it!
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Thanks for the review. Since I'm getting sick & tired of my eBay remote triggers (which are rubbish) and find the PWs way too expensive this looks like a very good alternative.
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Thanks for the post. I was considering skipping the eBay triggers and jumping right to PocketWizards. From my basic understanding it looked like I needed the Multimax units to get above 1/250 sync speed, but now that I see these they seem like a better, cheaper solution.
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Just ordered mine. Transmitter + 2 receivers: € 241,50 at www.fotosg.nl
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I've had mine for three months now, and haven't charged the batteries again since their initial charge.
I realise there's no battery indicator :P So how do I know when it's time to recharge? Photographing at a wedding on Saturday, I don't know whether it's necessary to recharge (is there any downside to unnecessary recharging?) but I also think I should recharge before it because I don't want it to stop working halfway.... humm!
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Most rechargeable batteries will self discharge fairly quickly. NiCd's are probably the worst. NiMH not quite so bad. Personally, I would recharge every couple of months, or before a big shoot. As the batteries get they seem to self discharge even faster.
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Mine arrived a few days ago. Have been playing around with them. Love them so far. They have come on a few times in my bag by themselves, thanks to the poorly designed on/off switch.
The other issue I am having is sync speed. My camera is documented to sync at 1/200, and it does so just fine, even with the Skyports. The camera, and my SB-600 speedlight both have "FP Mode" for syncing the flash at faster speeds. When the flash is connected right to the camera it works great. As soon as I take it off the camera and use the Skyports I am back to a max sync of 1/200.
Anyone know if there is a way around this? In the meantime I will keep looking.
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Chris: There is no way round that. The FP mode relies on complex signals passing between camera and flash (by short flashes of light in the Nikon CLS system) The Skyports (and PWs etc) all just transmit one little "NOW!" signal, this means they can only support a simple fire instruction and sync speed is limited to your cameras usual xsync speed. 1/200th should be fast enough for most things though ;-)
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By the way, is anyone using these with Vivitar 285s? The e-bay triggers are a bit flaky with these due to the trigger voltage, (hence the vivitar specific version from Gadget Infinity) I was wondering if the Skyports had any similar issues?
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They are okay with Vivitar 285's, but NOT 285HV's unfortunately. They have been fine with every other flash I have tested including Canon speedlites.
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Bah, I use 285HVs.. Might end up buying pocket wizards yet..
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@Roddymac:
My experience is different - NiCd suck in general (need a lot of TL&C), but they're great for holding power over a longer time. NiMh on the other hand is great, but it sucks that they discharge by themselves. With the amount of assignments that David is handing out, that's not too much of a problem though.
If you only need to recharge batteries once every three or four months, consider using Lithum batteries instead - or maybe even regular alkalines. Yes, you'll have to replace them from time to time, but if auto-discharge is the main reason to recharge them, they might last you a year or more!
Finally, [b]always[/b] carry spare alkaline batteries with you. A set of four costs next to nothing, and if your batteries are flat [i]and[/i] your 'regular' spares are flat as well (because you didn't charge them up for over six months), your chemical spares will save the day!
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I'm expecting the motherload tomorrow. 200 units expected. We'll see...
Moishe
mpex.com/Strobist
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@ hairy_matt: Thanks man! I bought them specifically for skateboarding photos. Hopefully the 1/200th will be fast enough to freeze the action.
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It is usually the flash duration that is the critical factor in skateboarding/bmx photos, skyports seem to sync as fast as your camera will allow (usually 1/200 sec). They should do you fine!
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@ChrisWigginton.
If the skateboard ws moving at 20KPH then it will move only 2.7cms in 1/200th second. Remember the flash is very much faster than the 1/200th the camera allows, so the target will move less than millimeter during the flash. If the ambient light was reasonably low at the 1/200th I'd guess you would never see it.
Try this. Set your camera to 1/200th and your flash to a middle power level. Spin round in your room and take a shot. I just tried this and no matter how fast I could spin there was no blur. Even in full daylight I'd not expect to see much.
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So far, I like my Skyports a lot - just one little grip about that on-off switch -
I can never get it to turn on with just a push, or is it a push-hold, or wait, did the light come on? I can't see it... oh wait, there it is... no, that wasn't it, let me push the button again. Crap, now I think I turned it off.. or did i??
Other than that, they are great.
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Yep they won't fire 285HV's no mater whether you use a hotshoe or a vivitar connection.
Thats a real bummer, but it means my 285HV is going back to MPEX not the Skyports.
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@ Jacob Gibb
its deffo a push and hold to turn them on and push to turn them off, i had one that was a bit temperamental and returned it, the replacement works fine.
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When I get our shipment in, I'll test them with the Pocket Wizard Pre-trigger Camera cables and report back...
Moishe
mpex.com/Strobist
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@jacob,
I know what you mean. I find myself saying the same thing. Now I push and hold until I see the thing flashing. Imagine being outside in bright light. Would you ever see the thing flash?
Why dis they redesign the switch I wonder? To me it seems like one those "if it broke, don't fix it" things. I wonder if anyone is going to try a mod to bypass the quirky push button and add in a micro switch that's less prone to accidental power ups?
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I was hoping for the money I wouldn't need to worry about modifying anything. And typically push buttons are just fine, but this one just seems goofy.
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Got my set last week and so far have to agree with what everyone else is saying. Great little things.. Havne't had a misfire, range is incredible. But the push/hold to turn the recievers on is quite annoying.. Tried it yesterday in the afternoon, and coulntdn't tell if the darn thing was on or off. I literally had to go find some shade, got my hands and my assistants hands to to cup the reciever to see if the light was blinking or not.. other than that, all seems well.
BTW, does anyone know how long the charge lasts? Is it okay to recharge them even tho they may have not been used too often? I belive someone mentioned that if you do unnecessary charging, it may deplete the battery faster..
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v tofu - the literature on these says the battery on the receivers has a 30 hour life... am I right in thinking they also have a battery indicator on them? Apparently the battery in them is a nokia battery from a mobile phone.
I've just ordered my set today, along with a cable from flashzebra who posts on here. Can't wait to try them out with a friend. I must go swot up on strobist so my shots don't look crap.
I'm in the same situation as Swansea Photographer... canon 430ex and ebay slaves just dont want to play together for me. Almost bought the Canon ST-E2, but the skyport is about the same price, and I can also use it with my Mamiya collection without being concerned with hit rates.
I've a feeling I'm going to want another receiver soon though.
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The whole new button thing seems really stupid, I don't understand why they did it at all? I brought two pairs so both of my receivers have switches and they work just fine. I guess we'll never know though...
I have fired my Canon 350D using them, just using a 3.5mm to 2.5mm converter. It works but locks up after one shots and needs to be turned off. SO with the proper cable if should fire just fine.
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I'd like to see a comparison of the two designs opened up in order to see the circuit boards. It would be easier to see how the switches are wired in. Then maybe see how they can be modded.
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I'm afraid to open my skyport and see that the internals might look exactly as the ebay triggers :-\ and maybe breaking it on the process.
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I dont care if the internals are the same as the ebay ones as long as they work better. I hate those cactus things, and plan on getting rid of them once I have my skyport kit.
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The exact thread I was looking for.
So how many of you guys are happy with them?
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I'm pretty happy with mine. If you read through the entries, i think most owners are pretty satisfied with their copy.
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Yeah, I'm very pleased so far. Got them yesterday, tested range: incredible compared to 'ebay' triggers. Today I shot about 50 frames, not a single failure or random trigger yet.
The group/all thing is quite handy too: if you have two receivers, put them in different groups, that way you'll be able to fire either one, or both, with the flick of a switch on the transmitter. Handy.
There are only two negatives I can think of right now:
1) The on/off button on the receiver - but it's easy to fix.
2) The fact that I have no idea when the battery will run out in the receiver. And when it does (during something really important, I'm sure), there is no way to quickly swap the battery, you'll have to recharge.
//Marc
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jcub - I love mine
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I'm wondering if one of those portable phone chargers might work in an emergency to recharge. You know the battery with the appropriate connector type?
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l've never been one for the whole 'lense envy' thing when it comes to photography thing but right now l'm a finger twitch away from clicking 'buy' and getting some Skyports!!
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I agree about the batteries. I charge mine before each event, or every week if used little. I also keep a spare transmitter battery in my kit so that should always be ready to go.
As a side note, I'd guess the receiver battery would last longer if they solved the "LED leakage" issue when powered up. When it's "Off" it's still ON, but dim. Also the fact the things can turn on accidentally due to the stupid power switch the power can be run down without you knowing.
With all of the above said, I love mine. They are carried in a small foam case inside my camera bag and have never missed a beat.
I've now lost my TX cable though which is a bummer.
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Hey Marc,
What's this easy fix to the on/off switch you mentioned. That and the less than durable antennas would be my only complaint. I've just been playing around with them, but so far they have a good range and have never misfired.
As for the battery charge, from what I've read they last at least for a full days use and since they are lihium ion, they can be safely recharged no matter how much of a charge they have left without developing a memory problem. No reason no to just recharge them after every use. They included a spare battery holder for the transmitter so it's definitely a good idea to have a spare battery for that.
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Ray David: m.... has a photo of one version of the 'fix' here:
www.flickr.com/photos/markchu/1025752604/
Just glue a suitably sized washer of some sort (rubber, plastic, neoprene,...) around the on/off button, so that it does not (as easily) get pressed accidentally, but you can still operate it yourself.
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Thanks.
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I still haven't had to change the transmitter battery, but I carry a spare one for the day that it fails! The receivers batteries last a surprisingly long time, though it is a pain if they fail...
The range on these things is so good, was shooting BMX in a forest today and even though there were loads of trees and was shooting with a 70-200mm they fired EVERY time! Will maybe put some photos of that up.
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I still haven't had a chance to actually shoot anything using them yet, but I am impressed with the range just playing around with them at work. I've gone down a hallway and around several corners and they fired every time. I plan on shooting some mtn bike jumping with my 70-200 which is one reason I got the Skyports. I haven't been able to test the battery life of the receivers, so hopefully they will live up to what I've heard. The key for me will be to remember to put them back on the charger after every use. I still have my ebay triggers just in case. Even though I only do this for a hobby, my time is very valuable so I don't want to take a chance of getting somewhere and then not being able to shoot when I could've been prepared for it.
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i'm sure it's possible to make an emergency field charger with a cell phone battery and a suitable resistor that drops the current to a safe value
but still, no battery indicator is a disappointment, even some 10 bucks bicycle lights have a green led that turns red when the batteries need replacement soon
or the blinking pattern could change according to battery state
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The only problem that l've found with my Skyports is that the transmitter does'nt have any way to properly secure it to the hotshoe!
Anyone else found this a problem? Just seems like an accident waiting to happen!!
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I got my Skyports yesterday, and it won't sync at 1/250 using AB strobes on my 20D. It will sync at 1/200, but I'd like to have it working optimally. I've been firing them without Skyports at 1/250 for ages.
Anyone know if there's a way to fix this or if I have to make an exchange or if it's something else entirely?
The only problem that l've found with my Skyports is that the transmitter does'nt have any way to properly secure it to the hotshoe Anyone else found this a problem?
Mine fits on pretty snug.
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I received my Skyports today (thanks Moishe!) from MPEX. I'm playing with them now with my Canon 580ex flashes.
I'm going to write up a fairly in depth review in the next few days. First, two observations.
Mine didn't come with a hard plastic case. I wish they did! Any way to get one?
Also, they have no problem syncing at 1/250 with my 40D. I haven't tried with my 30D yet, but will for the in depth review. They do not seem to work as desired when I put my flash into high speed sync mode (meaning, I still get a bar over the frame, and the flash doesn't actually sync at a high speed).
Depending on MPEX's return policy, I may end up just going to Pocket Wizards, but we'll see (they won't do high speed sync either, from what I read). These things are so tiny!
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I've had a couple of misfires. They were caused by the antenna being in direct contact with the light stand. Something to be aware of.
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Kolonay: Only something that supports canons ETTL will do the highspeed sync. Basically that means the only option is the STE2 or a TTl cable.
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Velcro to secure the Skyport: Velcro on the back.
 
I also have velcro on the receiver to stick it to the side of the flash head. Most of my day to day stuff using flash is handheld at the left so I don't want bits hanging anywhere.
Mine sync at up to 1/640th on the Fuji S9600 and, obviously, easily at 1/250th on the 30D.
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I noticed that FlashZebra has a specific Vivitar to miniphone adapter available. Has anyone tried these with the 285HV? I was ready to put my 285HV on the market because it won't work with the hotshoe->miniphone + Skyport setup.
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How do I connect the Skyport reciever to my SB800. None of the cords provided fit the reciever and my flash. Doesn't make any sense,.
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You have to either buy a hotshoe to 1/8 phono adaptor or 1/8 phono to pc sync.
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Try Flash Zebra for a 1/8" to hotshoe or 1/8" to PC cord for a good price.
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Now I'm pissed! I bought skyports from B&H under 4 months ago (when that old/new receiver photo was posted) and I got the push button on/off ones!
I didn't know there were new ones.... :(
BAH!
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Its been push button since. The only time they had the slide switch on the side was the first few months it was out, then it all switched to push/button. I got the push button too, i got mine ways back.
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Yeah, Jonathan the posh button ones are the new ones. I'd love the ones with a switch personally.
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DannyPack [deleted] says:
A nice modification by m..... for those who dislike the button switches. A simple 3/16" neoprene washer:
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Interested in your opinion to this...I've been undecided whether to go down the PW route or save some cash and buy the Elinchrom's however, I've decided to wait until Jan/Feb 08 to see and hear about the Radiopopper triggers.
Reasoning - I don't need the distance for triggering all the time but the Nikon CLS system does fail to fire sometimes but with an attachment the theory is it should work virtually everytime - one reason.
Second is that I tend not to use my 70-200 at the 200 end with the CLS for none firing but like the 200 end of the zoom for the perspective it brings so with triggers and reliability this zoom will come out more often and that is attractive to me.
www.bof.uk.com
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That's one dumb "upgrade" from an older model : /
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D200 won't sync higher than 1/250, anyone gotten it to work faster?
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The sync speed of the D200 is 1/250. You will not be able to sync above 1/250 unless you use a Nikon SB-800 in FP mode, where the power will be greatly reduced. This is a limitation of focal plane shutters (which most DSLRs have), not a limitation of the Skyports.
Because the D70 has an electronic shutter above 1/125, it syncs at all speeds - Mine can reliably sync at 1/1000 with my Skyports and SB-600.
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Will the Canon 40D sync above 1/250 when in Live View/Electronic Shutter modes with Skyports (or any other triggers for that matter)?
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The Skyports failed me this weekend - luckily, it was just personal work I was doing. Though I can't confirm this yet, I'm 99% certain it's the battery in the transmitter (when I put the original on the multimeter, it gives me 0.4 volts).
Went to Target to get another, and they don't carry the correct one, so it's off and searching tomorrow. I'll be sure to grab a couple to keep a spare or two in the bag.
I've been using the Skyports since early August, and I often forget to turn off the transmitter - however, it shouldn't be using any juice if it's not sending a signal...
I'll update once I figure out if it is indeed the battery. But other Skyport users take note - may want to pick up an extra to keep in the bag if you haven't already ....
Jacob
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Try Radioshack. I picked up one from there a few months ago. Hope it's just the battery.
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 I have connected AA cell-phone charger with Slyport to charge it in field from one AA. Take a look at this set. www.flickr.com/photos/11729878@N02/sets/72157603307075956/
Hope this is interesting :)
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DannyPack [deleted] says:
Arseni this is excellent, make sure to mention it in the Skyport Users group. Battery life is an issue for me because it's so long, I just forget that I ever need to charge them! Thus seems like an excellent backup for when you're in the field!
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The group flash mode seems pretty interesting for those long exposure+strobe photos :)!!!!!!!! thanks for the review
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Does anyone know what section the neoprene washers are in at HD? I recently bought some kind of washers there - they were black and looked squishy enough. Got them home and they're a little too tall and a little too hard, so unless I use a pen, I can't turn on the skyports! Does the box actually say neoprene?
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before but Lon from FlashZebra has started to make 285HV specific sync cords that willl allow you to use your Elinchrom Skyports. I helped test them and they were great.
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I got mine at Home Depot, I believe in the hardware area, it was in a drawer full of washers and the bag did say "Neoprene" size 3/16. I got another that was a size bigger and that might be easier since the hole is bigger, easier to press the switch. I end up using the 3/16 because the size was just perfect for the switch. The height of the washers I got is just a hair higher than the switch. Hope that helps.
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Just to let anyone know who is interested I have successfully used Skyports to trigger my camera (Canon 350D) in all modes, the only limitation being that the auto focus must be turned off. Also you cannot hold the the trigger button to fire continuous shots.
To do this is used the 3.5mm jack and used a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter. Hope this helps someone!
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I've used it with a Canon 1d mk2, and mk3 at 250 with perfect results. I've pushed shutter speed a bit higher and had some strange results that I'm going to monkey with.
If I'm shooting with both cameras using transmitters (which I do for event work often enough) I use a bit of gaff tape. My old PW's would tighten down, but just like the Nikon stobes with the twisty lock, they would lock down too tight, or not tight enough... I was taping those on too. I reuse the same piece of tape, just putting it on the top of the transmitter until it finally dies.
Down with Pocket Wizard.
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I haven't had the Skyports for 3 months but have written up a review for them
www.continuousdrive.blogspot.com
I tried to cover every possible aspect of the Skyports. I warn you its a long review but if you are interested in them its worth the read.
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I have a set and love them. Flawless reliability here. probably close to 1000 shots taken with them so far. The rechargeable battery works great and lasts a long time. The replacement battery for the transmitter was like $2. I keep a spare or two. Definitely the best investment for the money thus far.
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For the folks who are using the skysports, is there a trigger button on the transmitter that you can use to test fire the flashes?
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yes.
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Satisified.
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Since this thread has been brought alive again, I will repeat my annoyance at the stupid power switch in the receiver. My 2 sets take forever to switch on as the switches are crap. I love these things, but please, Elinchrom and all others, STOP USING STUPID CRAPPY PUSH SWITCHES.
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I like the reliability of the skyports, bit the receiver on/off switch is somewhat annoying: When i let them dangle on the lightstand it sometimes happens, that it just hits the on/off button, and, well, the receiver is then off, by accident. hrmpf.
Should try that neoprene-mod ...
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they have made a cord for the 285HV version flashzebra.com/wizardcables/0071.shtml
has anyone tried it to see if it works?
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yes there is a trigger on the transmitter to trigger flashes
i admit mine have languished making the occasional shot for the last four months and i didn't recharge the receivers and they keep working - finally recharged them just because
neoprene switch mod works wonders
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i vouch for them being perfect other than the on/off switch. i need to make a stop at Home Depot for some washers.
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flashzebra cords for Skyport & 285HV : totally reliable.
No problem with the switch....
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hello Ed Salter , would you know whats the purpose for that sync port is for ?
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" would you know whats the purpose for that sync port is for ? "
yes, there is included pc sync cable so you can fire the transmitter without using the hot shoe mount
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Good thing that port is there because my transmitter refuses to cooperate with the hotshot on either of my Nikons, I am firing it with the PC cord... If I put it on backwards it works fine but it annoys me that way,,,
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Allan, make sure your hotshoe doesnt have any foreign objects in it, I had that problem a few weeks ago, had a little pebble in the hot shoe.
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purdyd ... i tried it without using the hot shoe mount but it didnt work and i
tried all the setting on the skyport ... should i do something to the camera settings ?
my camera is the canon 40d and a 580ex2 speedlite .
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@Ed, this is with 2 different cameras...
@dennis, you are having the same problems I am having... I'm firing mine with the PC cable.
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Why don't the skyports trigger Vivitar 285HV's?
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Ericson Calderon edited this topic 45 months ago.
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^ I would like to know too, as I JUST bought one along with my 430, and as everybody knows, the ebays (that I have), just plain don't work most of the time with the 430's.
As far as I know, Its because of a high voltage.
Now here I was getting all exited about these triggers, AND THEY DON'T WORK WITH THE 285HV's.....
Why, OH why do the PW's have to be so darn expensive..... jeez
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