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In general, the squareformat camera is a medium size. Therefore, the CCD element greatly becomes expensive, too. The digital technique will be used for the single lens reflex camera that can exchange lenses. It is a doubt in the twin-lens reflex camera of the hobby. Because the user of the twin-lens reflex camera is sticking to the film. Rollei MiniDigi is an exception :D:D
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Isn't there a digital back for Hasselblads? Probably really expensive.
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Yes, and yes, really expensive. Everything Hasselblad is expensive.
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Well Mamiya will be shipping the square format 22mp ZD SLR in the summer. It's a tad cheaper than the digital backs, but not by much. US$15,000 last I checked.
I love the MiniDigi, it look me a long time to find one, so glad I finally have it. But I'm so afraid of how small it is! Every time I use it I feel like my fat fingers is going to snap it in half.
If they come out with a full size digital Rolleiflex I'll be all over that.
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Alain, get some ducktape on both sides of your digicam screen, and tadaa, a square format for cheap!
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leaf makes digi backs for hassey H1, but that shoots 645 (i think thats the size, it's not square though), or you could just invest in the H1D... i think i'll buy 10!!
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There's always the Rollei MiniDigi.
It's a 2MP minature version of the Rolleiflex TLR.
www.rollei.jp/e/pd/MiniD.html
complete with waist level finder and hand crank.
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Why would you bother,film has better resolution than digital HANDS DOWN.
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Wow I so want one of those Rollei MiniDigis! I love how they start their ad (Rollei MiniDigi), "Be Honest. You've always wanted a Rollei." Well, yes, to be honest I always have. Guess I'm not the only one eh? ;) So what's it like, the quality and all? Anyone who's used one care to give a bit of a review on it? I'd love to know your opinions.
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Another possibility, though I know is just not the same, is changing the focusing screen on a DSLR for one with a guide in one side, to aid at least on the square composition.
Then you could crop the respective side out in a batch job.
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Can we post digital pictures that are cropped to a square here or is this outside what this group is all about?
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Jordi S. Bunster [deleted] says:
Uh oh. I sure as hell hope we can, or I'm having to remove 90% of my shots. In fact, all. The other 10% are polaroids cropped to square, and the 'roids aren't exactly square either.
Anybody?
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Thanks for alerting me about this issue! ;)
I think when twin_lens created this group he thought primarily about square format photography made with classic cameras like TLR Rollefleixes and so on… But since then the group has hosted any kind of square format photo so no problem, your photo has just to be square, it's the only rule of this group!
Feel free to post what you want the way you want as long as it's square! :D
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Yay!
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Watch out with the Rollei Mini Digi... its a toy at best - quite a crappy camera and quite a ripoff for the money.
For digital squares - I use my Canon and just frame the shot to the right - then just crop in Photoshop. You get quite used to framing them quickly.
As said earlier - film and a good scanner is still King.
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I thought of getting a RolleiFlex MiniDigi. But after reading this review and the sample photos, I give up. The image quality is just horrible.
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gravityroom--"a toy at best - quite a crappy camera"--you say that like it's a bad thing!
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Thought of the Hd1 Hasselblad, but alas I was wrong it's not sq but it has 22megapix
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"with the LCD screen on top of the camera"
I don't think the current Nikons do this, but some of the old 'twist' syle CoolPix cameras can shoot from the hip with the LCD facing UP. Add a duct tape mask and it's square format too :)
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Batter than duct tape is cutting the top off post-it notes. The gum doesn't transfer to the screen of the camera quite as easily as duct tape will. If you intend on it being there for some time, use electrical tape. The gum will transfer like with duct tape, but I find it easier to remove.
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Still no reasonable priced square format digital camera with decent quality shots? I am dying to get a camera like that. (especially one that has a vertical viewfinder)
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just shoot B&W film in an old squareformat camera, dev at home and scan. It's alsmost as quick as digital.
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Reasonably priced? No, but Hasselblad just released a 16mp medium format camera with a vertical viewfinder for a cool 14k$. Oh, and there's only 500 of them...
For digital work I still would recommend just using tape or post-it notes to create guide then manually crop in your Digital Intermediary.
If you're doing something near-pro or pro in medium format and want the square (or near square) then shoot film.
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"with the LCD screen on top of the camera"
The sony R1 has an lcdscreen on top. It has a dslr size sensor, but with a non interchangeable zoomlens. Couple that with something to mask the screen and that is about as close as you'll be able to come today.
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Ok folks, the only and I mean ONLY digital
6x6 camera that is available today is the
Rollei 6008 AF Digital bundle. Yes it is expensive, but less than an H2. You can use the AF lenses or the manual focus Scheinder and Zeiss glass that they made for preceading modals. I have shot for years with a 6008 and will definetly swich over soon. No "Fujiblad" for me.
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I did not read all this. Here is a tip. Gaff some tape on your LCD screen to bring it down to a square. Done! Now you have a square format camera. Hello if you are crazy enough to want to go out & buy another camera with a plastic square then go right ahead.
i admit if you use the viewfinder shooting digital as I do then there is mental discipline involved. That will make you stronger! Basically the firmware could be set to crop square. Thats it. When do you suppose they will give us that instead of stupid colour effects in camera! NEVER?
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PS no camera ever took a decent picture????
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hassie h1 and h2's are 645 camera's
if want 6x6 get a digi back for a v serieries hassie also fit on older 500 series.
cheapest on marget would be a low end phase one for 15thousand dollars,
if check ebay can find a kodac dcs back for 2-3thousand since they are discontinued and there still pretty good at 16mp, then just need get a hassie the spend extra 2grand for motor grip then 2grand for a ttl prism, tada medium format d-slr for a meare 12thousand :))
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honestly tho, i'd be in if some one made a bare bone affordable digital tlr,
even if digi backs ever come real cheap id grab one, and grab a old broken yashika to make a custom mount for my working yashika d
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Hi Alain,
Thanks for the post. I just ordered the Rolleiflex MiniDigi yesterday. I hope the camera will arrive soon and I´ll be able to post pics here soon.
Take care,
Kerstin
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has anyone used an angle finder?
www.calumetphoto.co.uk/item/321-250A.html
i really want one! i find focusing with such a small viewfinder on digi slr's so difficult, unlike the huge viewfinder on mf cameras
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I have and use an angle finder and it is very handy under certain circumstances. However, it gives you no larger viewfinder than your digi slr already has since it attaches to the existing viewfinder.
One advantage, especially for close up and macro shooting, is that you can change the magnification to 2X. This cuts down your overall view but allows better focus on subjects in the center of the field.
If you are going to buy one, go to eBay and get one from Hong Kong. They work just as well as the major manufacturer versions at a fraction of the cost.
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I've got one of the Seagull right angle finders. They are not quite as good as the manufacturers ones (I have a Minolta one for my Minolta XD7 and a Pentacon one for my Prakticas) but they are still just as useful - I had to get one for my Nikon f80 as the Nikon one costs about £160!!!
I think they should be the first purchase after your camera as they are vital for low angle shots with a tripod, and also valuable if, like me, you have a stiff neck...
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thank you of the info. i think i will have to get myself one, although the amount of camera accessories i want seems to be never ending! like most people i bet. but that the fun of it i guess :)
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There's always the 22MP H3D... for a cool $25K
or why go for the cheap model for $33K you can go to 39MP
www.hasselblad.se/promotions/h3d.aspx
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the H3D uses a 36.7x49mm sensor, the same proportions as 6x4.5.
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I have a friend that talked to Nikon's Technical team about this as a possible option within their DSLR interface......they admitted it had not crossed their minds, but did indicate it was a good idea.
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Dim Images 龍 [deleted] says:
25-30 grand?
pocket lint!
i can't wait until the chinese catch on to square format digital...
however, the Hasselblad's features are really quite impressive, with the film and polaroid backs as well? truly a camera for a new and modular age... i think it even comes with a manual on how to rob banks to afford the entire system;)
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"No, but Hasselblad just released a 16mp medium format camera with a vertical viewfinder for a cool 14k$. Oh, and there's only 500 of them..."
If you're referring to the CFV its $9,995.00. Bundled with a 503CW Anniversary Edition (only 500 made) its $12,995.00. It's square, but doesn't use the full 6 x 6. That would be too expensive. I forget what the deminsions are.
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film, and a Nikon scanner for medium format is a lot cheaper, only $2,000.00, and as good if not better than a medium digital capture....
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So, I was surprised no one mentioned "through the viewfinder" photos. They are take with a digital camera through the viewfinder of another camera--usually a medium format camera like a Kodak Duaflex. Here's a recent one I did.
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Was that camera going cheap on hire-purchase?
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The new Ricoh GX100 looks like it's going to have a selectable aspect ratio of 3:2 and 1:1.
www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07032801ricohgx100.asp
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Yeah, I'd love to have the Rollei 6008 digibundle, or a strap on for the Bronica SQai I still use (except for the cost)... but I love my Rollei TLR so much. It is amazing that no one has come up with a decent and usable TLR digital. To have one as superb in optics as the Rollei TLR 3.5F Planar, as well as operation and size... to have a true full frame square format sensor on the order of say, 10 or 12 Megapixels and keep the cost under 2 grand would certainly fill a good niche for a lotta folks. If they had approached the Rolleiflex Minidig like that they'd sold them like gangbusters. Better lens, decent sensor, but ok if it was small. Just not a toy (not that there is anything wrong with toys... love my Holgas and Diana's too! Probably end up with the Minidig too, but want more! ). Yes, yes, there are plenty of work arounds and there is still good old film, and a neverending array of fine art tactics, but it's truly amazing no one has jumped on that gap in the market.
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Dim Images 龍 [deleted] says:
wow - i think i'd really like that Ricoh - like A LOT!
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Just wait. Moore's law will increase pixel density every year and there are some implications:
While medium format cameras will enjoy an advantage, for the short term, eventually pixel-density will make the advantages moot. That is, when you can get more pixels, in a small form factor, than anyone can use, then medium format cameras will disappear.
Inexpensive, ultra high density pickup devices will expand form-factors to accommodate all of the needs of the market, expressed here.
Once pixel densities reach a point where resolution is no longer an issue (nano-tube pickups anyone?), digital zooms become a practical reality. Cameras will only need a single, high speed, wide angle lens, and everything else can be done in software.
We are some time away from that, but Bill Gates points out that we often over-estimate what is possible in the next five years, and under-estimate what is possible in the next ten.
In the mean time, the Olympus/Panasonic cameras are 4:3, and that's pretty close to square... ;-)
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No one mentions cropping to Square a Digital Image.. I often do it.. no tape on the view finder..
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the point I think a lot of folks miss, is that what some of us want is the experience of photoing with a Rollei TLR but with the advantages of digital. Sure it's easy to crop, or tape or use a zillion other ways to get a square, but that is not what I, for one, (and I suspect others too,) am talking about. It doesn't have to actually have 2 lenses, or be super high quality, just on a par with say, Canon digital SLR, but with an interface more like a waist level Rollei, and square, please. Keep it under a couple grand, keep it small, keep it slightly wide, keep it well made, it doesn't have to have a zoom, digital or optical. To view a clear and bright 4inch square LCD at waist level with a good viewing hood would be great, I think. It's about a way of working, and I'm surprised no camera maker has thought of it.
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You're almost there with my old Nikon Coolpix 995. Very much akin to the TLR experience (if you don't mind the screen being to one side of the lens instead of above it) - probably the majority of my shooting with it was waist-level looking down at it, and very occasionally, holding it overhead looking up at it.
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Yep, I did that too, with the 990, liked it, but the camera had other drawbacks (a little power house, but terrible interface and horrendous shutter-lag). A nice hood and a bigger screen would have helped as well... and, really would prefer square. but you're right, it is that kinda experience.
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Dim Images 龍 [deleted] says:
why not get a digital rolliflex minidigi ?
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See the following thread for some good reasons why not:
www.flickr.com/groups/squareformat/discuss/15173/
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I agree 100% with Zzzzt!Zzzzt! I don't want to crop or use tape, I don't need fancy gizmos, I can't spend 15000$, I would just love to have a decent and affordable square digital reflex, like a Canon DSLR, but square. The viewfinder on top would be optional but awesome for me.
I started this thread in february 2005, it still doesn't exist and I still don't understand why, so I wrote a long and probably boring rant about it here:
alainastruc.com/journal/2007/06/03/im-a-square-guy-je-sui...
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The new Ricoh GX100 offers a user selectable 1:1 ratio. It has an electronic viewfinder with no parallax distortion, and it can be tilted to 90 degrees for waist level shooting. It's got a fast f/2.5 lens too, with a solid, retro "rangefinder" like body. Could be the ideal P&S digital camera... and while it's not a DSLR, it does satisfy most of what you're looking for Alain.
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Yes it's true Switters. Very interesting camera.
I think the Sigma DP1 and and Sony R1 are also interesting cameras for people used to film cameras.
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Actually one of the members of this group is using it and I love the results:
www.flickr.com/photos/kalloosh/tags/ricoh/
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Wow, thanks for the kudos, Alain - it means a lot coming from you.
As for the Ricoh GX-100, I'm pretty happy so far, although I'm so used to film I hardly even know on what basis to judge it...
I wanted to dip my pinky toe in the digital pool, so I didn't want a big DSLR (if I'm going to carry a big camera around it will be loaded with film). My main criteria when I was looking wasn't square format (didn't think it existed), but a fast lens. Basically, I wanted the equivalent of a good rangefinder, 50mm, f 1.8. Unfortunately, this doesn't exist. The Ricoh opens up to 2.5, and that's the fastest I could find - and even then it seems nearly impossible to get short depth of field unless you have the macro turned on. Grrrr!
The 1:1 ratio did finally sell me on this camera - and I'm shooting almost exclusively in that format. It's an expensive point and shoot ($600 without the viewfinder, $700 with), and no one in Chicago sells them so I had to purchase blind. But I have to say that it's a very intuitive camera to use, and unlike most point and shoots, actually feels like a camera.
Feel free to ask me any other questions if you're considering buying one - especially since you probably won't find one to look at in a store.
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It's cropping in software. You could shoot 4:3 just as easily, and do better with a Digital SLR. Adobe Lightroom has a really nice "constrain 1:1" feature. Photoshop has shift-drag on the crop rectangle.
I have a GR Digital, it's ok, but images are not on par with Digital SLR or film quality. I wouldn't want to crop it.
(And yes, I'd still love to see an affordable digital TLR, though I know it's never going to happen)
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AGFuture [deleted] says:
Ricoh also has the GRII Digital that has a higher quality lens than the GX 100 (albeit a prime lens). I have a story about it and sample pix at jpgmag.com/stories/4594
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Hey,
Just stumbled in here from a friend's invite and saw this thread and thought to myself, COOL!
I'll admit, I didn't read through all the posts here, but I didn't see any discussion about using a Kodak Duaflex, I don't think, to render yourself an absolutely loverly square result.
At a recent picnic a friend of mine showed up with this 8" box or so attached to his Nikon D3. I, along with everyone else there, asked him what the heck it was. He talked about people constructing boxes to use the Duoflex with their 35mm cameras to get square, old-timey photographs. Well, he sat and thought about it and came to the conclusion that all he was actually using in the Duaflex was the upper lens and the focussing glass that you peer in to. Why carry around all that camera if you're not going to use it?
At one end of the box was the lens, then inside the box somewhere he mounted the focussing screen, then at the other end of the box mounted a 52mm threaded filter mount that was screwed to a Nikkor 55mm f2.8 micro lens, then mounted to his D300.
Personally I think the results are fricken outstanding and it comes out square and just how you see it out of the camera. I figure since it's a public link, I can post it here, eh?
www.flickr.com/photos/26647624@N00/sets/72157605297248111
What do you think?
Biggles
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Concerning the square CCD, it already exists. Longtime ago I have seen a 4096x4096 CCD made by ATMEL for industrial applications.
however, some remarks :
1. CCD is dead and CMOS active pixel sensors are definitively better, thare are some in Nikon D3 and D300 and in addition you can operate windowing with them, e.g scanning only a part of the matrix.
2, The price of a sensor = its surface, that is the law for any piece of silicon. so large size sensor will cost high and there is nothing we can do about it.
3. medium and large format photos are beautifull because of the surface of film in front of a high quality piece of glass (and not only). We can't go against laws physics.
4. putting 8,10,12 or whatever millions of pixels in a very small piece of silicon costs nothing. but here also there are limits and these limits are the light wavelength and the thermal electric noise in pn junctions. So the solution of larger pixels for the same amount of pixels is the solution, as chosen by Nikon on the D3.
I personally like to have a square large format CMOS sensor without bayer matrix (for black and white or foveon like for color) in front of a f1.2 50mm lens.
and of couse with an horizontal display.....
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Here's an article about the Ricoh with several pictures. Pretty impressive looking results, I think.
www.jpgmag.com/stories/4594
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I used to have a Mamiya C3 twin-lens reflex, so am used to shooting square format. Now, though, I've a Sony H50 digital. It has a 3" hinged LCD that will swivel up for use as a waist-level viewer, or kind of double up on itself so you can hold the camera over your head -- for shooting over crowds, for example. I find it really easy to compose square compositions using this camera, especially as the LCD is so large and has 1/3 grid lines you can turn on. Best of both worlds. And it's 9 megapixels with 15X optical zoom, great macro, and image stabilization. I carry it with me 24/7. Oh, and a Zeiss lens.
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then there's the guy in PA that put a 22megapix back on a Holga........
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Not sure if this got mentioned anywhere else but the Nikon p5100 has a square format mode. Maybe the guy above really got the technical team to implement it, as the camera came out 9 months ago and his comment was 8 months before that :) Who knows.
edit: just started checking and the coolpix p80 and S520 have square composition modes. Hoping this is a standard feature for more cameras going forward.
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not sure if anyone has said this
but the gr1 and gr 2 by ricoh can change
from 3:4 to 3:2 and lovely 1:1 the square
i use it myself..
i love it as a lil pocket fully manual if you want it..
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Still no DSLR square format solutions? After three+ years in this thread?
Sad. I can't stand 3:2....primary reason my Polaroid 680 still blows away my digital gear.
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as much as I love my digital Nikon, I SO MISS shooting with my Hasselblad, which has sat in it's case now for almost 3 years untouched. So unless I want to spend like $25,000 on a digital Hassy, I guess i'm out of luck for now! I have tried this - I bought Hoodman skins for the viewing screen ( they are self adhesive) and you can draw on them, so I made a square guide on it. Obviously that means cropping the image afterwards, but at least it gives me a square guide to shoot with...until something better comes along!
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*rnormfoto.... um, film is still available!
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my 1D MKIII has square format... 1:1... it'll still show as the full sized shot if shot in raw but crop marks are displayed and it will automatically save as 1:1 once converted to JPG.
the problem though with crops like these is that you don't get the full frame 1:1 feel... but it works for me when I use a really wide lens.
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I read about a new sub-$200 digital TLR being developed by some company in japan recently, probably on this pool somewhere but I can't for all the google-fu in the world track it down : /
it wasn't anything to with the rolleflex/minox/mini-digi and was by some company I hadn't heard of
some dude had got a hold of one and was testing it; plus there was a video of it on vimeo
any ideas?
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found it! it is called (wait for it) the "blackbird, fly"
www.theplasticlens.com/blog/?p=65
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video tour of the "blackbird, fly"
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But it is a 35mm film camera it isn't digital.
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... I am an actual moron
yes, you're right
sorry dudes : /
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Oh its not all that bad I just figured you'd meant to post in
www.flickr.com/groups/squareformat/discuss/147100/
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So..the Ricoh GR2 was interesting to me, as it features true 1:1 shooting, but the noise at anything over 400 ISO is horrific....anyone know if the Sigma DP1 has a square setting?????
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I don't think the GR2 is unusable ay high iso's.
OK, there's noise but because of the filmlike nature of the noise especially in black&white you can use it to enhance your images.
This one's shot with a GR2 at iso 800.
I like my GR2 a lot and use it a lot in square format mode.
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I've found the GRD b&W highly usable at high isos; colour, well mileage varies
don't know if you're looking at JPEGs or RAW conversions but the GRD II's JPEGS are goddawful
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Skippy1958, that noise looks very much unlike film grain to me. I think in almost all cases I would find that look very undesirable.
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Totally agree with return_home. If by 'filmlike' you mean the once or twice I've completely screwed up the development of a roll of B&W then maybe, but even they looked better than that GR2 shot noise-wise...
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If you have the money a Hasselblad H1D digital medium format is great to use, I've had good results before. But you really need to shoot it tethered which is a down side. A digital back for a regular hasselblad will probably be cheaper, although still very expensive!!!
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WtB (Watch the Birdie) [deleted] says:
The Mamiya ZD back is ~$6999 at B&H photo. Some old used Polaroid digital backs typically can be found for $4000. The Hasselblad CFV backs are around ~$8000 new.
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My Canon EOS-1D Mark III has 1:1 ratio. but you would have to buy a special ground glass to see the crop lines in the view finder.
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correction... it says 6:6 in the custom functions.
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I solely use a Ricoh GX200 and I am absolutely in love with this camera. I love the flexibility of it regardin' the different formats, and everythin' else. Its had its bad press about the noise, but there is nothin' wrong with a bit of noise! You don't even need to shoot higher than ISO200 with this camera 'cos with the image stabilisation and the HA-2 adapter and viewfinder fitted you can hold this camera in a conventional style jus' like an SLR and achieve real slow shutter speed results with 'tack' sharp images. Its awesome!
I've been put off buyin' a DSLR second camera 'cos none of 'em support shootin' proper square, which I find is shockin', why not?!
I cannot stand the normal image format, I only use it when the image dictates, and very rarely does that happen with what I shoot.
I've always yearned to shoot square with my film cameras all those years ago, but couldn't afford the cameras that could at that time. Square clearly 'rocks' and rules, and so does this camera, well it rocks!
Originally posted 45 months ago.
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paulyrichard edited this topic 45 months ago.
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Hmmm, you guys must check this out a friend of mine did it and it's awesome... Katz Eye
Originally posted 45 months ago.
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Dan Almaral edited this topic 45 months ago.
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Canon 5D shooters can do this. Get the 1:1, 4x5(8x10) Focusing Screens to compose their shots and then in Photoshop or Lightroom setup a action/preset to crop to Square. Upload your images, run the batch or preset and ta-da a digital work around till we have it in a digi with a native 1:1 ratio sensor
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/402219-REG/Canon_0056T095_...
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Interesting thread, I've only just come across it. However, the points about a digital TLR are something that has been bugging me for years.
First, there's lots been said here but I also think some element of the discussion have been either poorly addressed or ignored. Second, as old as this thread is, the situation has still not been addressed by major manufacturers, and in camera cropping or post cropping is not the point - that's like using in camera b&w conversion - yuk!
For me, it makes no sense to hold a digital camera up at shoulder height, and at some degree of arms length to frame a picture especially with the varying degree of difficulty of seeing the LCD Display.
Nowadays, we are seeing a plethora of LCD shields being manufactured so that they can help aleviate such screen viewing problems.
The manufacturer's of TLR's solved addressed such problems yonks ago and it's a no brainer to apply such a solution to digital cameras. In recent times we've seen rotating screens, and horizontal format cameras, but the popularity and success is low.
I believe that the reason for this is because manufacturer's are missing the point. There is a wholely different photographic experience associated with waist level photography - wasn't there someone who once said it was the equivalent to photographic navel gazing?
The problem with the Rolie mini digi, whilst it attempts to reproduce the look of a TLR, is that it's too small, so you've got to hike it up to chest level just to see the thing.
I like the weight, and sureness of using my TLR (its a Seagull, by the way) and would like to see that in a digital TLR. The ability to switch between ground glass focusing and digital live view/playback again should be a no brainer. It is only recently that mid level and higher end dSLR's have started adding Liveview.
Manual/Semi manual control of the camera is also a no brainer, that's the whole point of 'enthusiast' photography, having the options available to explore the essential aspects of crafting an image. Anyone can take a camera in full auto and depress the shutter and run a reasonable chance of getting a serviceable image - bit like giving a monkey a typewriter and hoping for a best selling novel...
I digress...
What I would love to see in a dTLR is,
:- full frame 1:1 sensor with 6x6 and 6x4.5 cropping options (I have such cropping options in my Seagull)
:- Ground glass focussing screen with light shield and pop up magnifier that sees the same size image area as the sensor
:- Optional Liveview and Menu access viewed through the ground glass focussing screen
:- Manual, Tv, Av, P and Auto Modes
:- Flash Sync with off camera capability (no built in flash)
:- Knob based shutter speed and focusing control (no digital zoom)
:- Bulb setting and remote triggering capability
:- Iso 50-6400
:- focus from 20cm - inf.
:- f/1.8 (or better)
:- 10-15 Mpx
:- less than 500USD
Am I mad to hope for or want such a thing?
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Tsc Tempest edited this topic 42 months ago.
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It's not a DSLR or TLR, but I, too, like my little Ricoh GR Digital II - 1:1 at 2736 square, 7mp
 
 
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rustman edited this topic 42 months ago.
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I use the Nikon P5100, Nikon top P&S in 07..it shoots square 1:1 at a resolution of 2992 X 2992 pixels, and is a great camera, you can use B&W mode + color and the camera will shoot a frame of each, I have 2 of these and it is turning into my favorite camera, used they can be bought for under $250 and the lens is very good, I taped the viewfinder with one piece of electrical tape to make it square, and I mostly use the lens at the 35mm position(the position when the camera starts) great little camera that is 1:1, here are a few I shot with the Nikon P5100;
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I'm finding that I'm shooting square a considerable portion of the time on the Olympus E-P1.
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HenryP78 [deleted] says:
The Canon 7D has a function with a set of cropped format. (Custom Fn IV-4).
I cannot copy/paste from the doc but basically it says this:
" During LiveView shooting, vertical lines corresponding to the aspect ratio will be displayed. You can thereby simulate framing for medium and large format film sizes such as 6x6 [...]
This aspect ratio information will be appended automatically to the captured image (the image will not actually be saved to the memory card as a cropped image).
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Ration available:
- 6x6
- 3x4
- 4x5
- 6x7
- 10x12
- 5x7
I haven't tried it yet because I do not use the LiveView much...
Originally posted 31 months ago.
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HenryP78 edited this topic 31 months ago.
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The square format is so wonderful, but it's especially nice to shoot that way when you have a big 6x6cm negative to work with, and a grid in your viewfinder so you can compose for future crops right inside of the camera & know you have enough resolution in the film to permit the crop & enlarge to the desired size. I love my C330 & have little desire to shoot with my DSLR these days. I don't expect anything digital to stir me in quite the way the C330 does.
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For What concern DSLR Medium Format Cameras, I remind only two names: Hasselblad(Both, Backs and cameras) and Phaseone (Digital Backs and Cameras), a third can be Zenza Bronica(cameras) or Leaf (Digital Backs).
You can check on Phaseone for Hassy V systems starting from 22 mp to 30 as I know and it depends on the model of camera you hold on.
An Imacon/Hasselblad CFV II (39 Mp) even, but Its really new, and it cost about 10000 € in europe, I think 13000$ outside.
A 645 mamiya-phaseone camera, new at 15000$ with 30mp sensor
You can find some used equipments on the web (the best way is, ever, Ebay).
Please remind that everythink on what I've mean unfortunately is really expensive.
You can find used Phase one Digital Back starting on 3000 $ to 7000 (22 to 30 mp)
or used Ixpress v96c (16mp) with a lot of cables and Digital Bank - a Firewire 800 HDD.
Usually I search on a shop in NY city, who sell equipments worldwide, called Adorama.
There's a lot of cameras, and you can find a kind of "outlet" on Ebay called Adorwin or Adorwin2.
Ehi, another one is Leica S2, but is another story.. ;)
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However, not a single one of those has a square aspect ratio sensor, which is after all the point of the post....
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Rumor has Canon testing a 36x36 SLR. I doubt they'll ever release such a thing, but there are occasional stories...
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On eBay last year, I saw a medium format 30mp back for $30,000. So they exist, and I'm sure they're not all $30,000.
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