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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

I ordered what I thought was the last 30mm 1.4 Amazon had in stock on the 8th. Today the status page shows a ship date of the 11th at the earliest.

When I called my local Calumet, the sales guy indicated that they don't carry the 30 1.4 at all, but that everyone has been calling about it this week.

Are there any brick & morter shops in SoCal that carry this lens? Should I just cancel my Amazon order and pay the higher price and shipping at B&H?
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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Check 17photo. $418, and you wouldn't have to pay sales tax (unlike me, when I got it there).
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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

Earlier today, Amazon's counter went back up to "1 left in stock". After I canceled my order, they have "2 left in stock." Too bad they are lying.

I ordered the sigma from 17photo.com with overnight shipping. Hopefully it will arrive before the weekend.

After that, I took another look at their website and found that they are the only shop with the MC-DC1 wired remote in stock. I ordered one of those too, will be interesting to see if they bulk the two orders together or not.
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galbert says:

Mine is on the way from Germany (www.tecknikdirekt.com) to Paris. I wonder how long this might take.
Posted 83 months ago. (permalink)

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galbert says:

I received it this morning :) I'll try it and post pictures this week-end.
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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

I got mine half an hour ago.

17photo and B&H are now vying for the top spot in my list of photo suppliers. Amazon is a distant second.
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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Awesome! If it's not run by the Hassidim, it's not a good photo store, haha.
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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

I gave up ever buying photo gear in NYC on Saturday long ago :)

Also, 17photo did the same call-to-verify-the-order process that B&H does. Unfortunately, I was still asleep when they called me yesterday and forgot to ask them to bulk the two orders together. I guess I'll get my remote next week.
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galbert says:

My computer is repaired i'll post 30mm pix tomorrow.
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Manuel W.  Pro User  says:

Got mine from sigma4less.com, $379.95. www.sigma4less.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=15431337ae158c2/sh...
link is to Canon version.
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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Nice! A definite "must-buy" at that price.
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sammurphy.net.au  Pro User  says:

Yippee! Narrow dof returns for meeee! i've been really missing this, now i am happy :) i suspect my 18-70mm will begin to collect dust promptly, this and the nik 50 1.8 will be in high rotation :)

Check out some sames shots here.
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petergibbons949 says:

I finally ordered mine today from B&H. For the last week I've been debating whether or not it would be worth it to order from preferredphoto or sigma4less. In the end, my peace of mind was worth the little extra I paid to B&H. I should have the lens by Friday.
Posted 78 months ago. (permalink)

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lanegreene  Pro User  says:

Had mine less than 24 hours. I got one at Adorama, the Manhattan store, their last one -- I guess it is a hot lens. To be honest, I thought "this is my last one" was a hard sell, but I got it anyway. (When I returned it, it turned out it really was their last one.)

A day and many test shots later, I found the autofocus slow and, much more importantly, quite inaccurate. I also found chromatic aberration a go-go -- check out the purple fringing on the AC unit right in the middle of this shot (view large):

www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=84886986&size=l

I've already asked carpeicthus but I thought I'd throw this to you all: did I get a bum lens? I'm tempted (by my optimism) to think I did and rush to B&H tomorrow to get another one. Let me know what you guys think about both autofocus and CA problems.
Posted 78 months ago. (permalink)

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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

If you had not said you shot that with the sigma 30, I would have guessed it came from the Nikkor 80-200 2.8, at close to 200. I have never seen chromatic aberration like that on my sigma, perhaps that "last unit" was a heavily abused demo unit?

I find my Sigma to be on par with my pro Nikkors.
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Michael Czeiszperger  Pro User  says:

I don't notice CA much since I don't shoot in strong light like that, but I've never had a focus problem with mine. In general my Sigma 30mm f1.4 is sharper than the Nikkor 50mm f1.4.

Did you try actually doing a focus test on a ruler? I was convinced my 50mm f1.4 had a focusing problem until I actually tested the thing and found out the problem was pilot error.

If you see any CA in these let me know:

www.flickr.com/photos/learningtosee/search/tags:30mm/
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lanegreene  Pro User  says:

Frustratingly, a few shots turned out accurate on the autofocus, including a ruler test. But what to make of this?

sigma autofocus test

Top half: Sigma 30mm, f1.8, 1/320th, ISO 200. Tungsten plus pretty decent daylight from window.

Bottom: Nikon D70 kit lens (18-70m), 31mm, f4, 1/60th, ISO 800. Tungsten plus heavy overcast light from window.


Two shots in a row with the Sigma produced this result. This was shot at about 6 feet. According to Dofmaster (best site ever!) I should have .86 feet of depth-of-field. WTF? I shot slowly and carefully and as you can see the shutter speed eliminated hand-shake.

I got a much better result with the kit at the same focal length and much longer shutter speed.

UPDATE: Oh, and Michael, your shots are lovely in sharpness and in color. That's why I want this lens to work! It is looking likely that I'll go to B&H today and see if one I get from them is better than Adorama's copy...
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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Yeah, that one's faulty. Hope you have better luck with the next run. I doubt the store matters as much as the individual copy, but I got mine from 17photo…
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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

Mine came from 17photo as well, but if you want to ensure that you get the best, walk over to B&H. They should have plenty of inventory and should let you take a few test shots with a lens before you buy.
Posted 78 months ago. (permalink)

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lanegreene  Pro User  says:

Got one tonight at B&H. Early results are good. This is the lens I wanted! Photos to come soon.
Posted 78 months ago. (permalink)

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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Glad to hear it! Definitely a strong showing of why people should always buy equipment at places with good return policies.
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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

For every person who complains that B&H's prices are too high, there seems to be a corresponding person who got burned elsewhere.

Now I will be looking for your images in the pool.
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lanegreene  Pro User  says:

Not a great composition (the pole is annoying) but this is the quality I was going for, made for the garbage light in the subway.

Eva on the subway
Posted 78 months ago. (permalink)

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Christian Metts  Pro User  says:

For what it's worth, I got mine from sigma4less.com $354 before shipping. It is definitely a good copy:

Sittin' pretty
Posted 77 months ago. (permalink)

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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

It is nice to be able to take indoor shots without worrying about redeye at all.
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Stopped.  Pro User  says:

Got mine today. Boy, I hadn't expected that focusing at f/1.4 is _that_ hard. Then again, it's not particularly easy with the Canon 50/1.8 either.
Posted 77 months ago. (permalink)

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funkaoshi  Pro User  says:

Focusing at 1.4/1.8 isn't so bad on film cameras, which usually have one of those split screens or other such aids to help you focus. (Also, I find the view finders in digital SLRs aren't as bright.) It's a shame Canon didn't include something similar on their digital SLRs. I guess auto-focus is so ubiquitous no people would complain the screen gets in the way.
Posted 77 months ago. (permalink)

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niobite is a group administrator niobite  Pro User  says:

AF film SLRs typically lack the split prism focusing aid also. You usually have to go back to an old MF film SLR, or get a pro-grade SLR that supports interchangable focusing screens.

Also, it appears that consumer-grade dSLRs only stop down to f/2.8 for focusing. If I point my d70s at some traffic lights at night, set the focus to the minimum distances, and set the aperture to f/1.4, the resulting out of focus light circles are significantly bigger in the image than they were in the viewfinder.

bokeh

Fortunately, the Sigma 30mm 1.4 works very well with AF.
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Jesse Glen says:

Picked up mine for $399 CDN used at Henry's in Toronto, and I couldn't be more pleased. Awesome lens.
Posted 77 months ago. (permalink)

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Norby  Pro User  says:

There was quite a following of this lens at the latest sflickr meetup. Emily Ann, Pinhole, and I all have them for our 20Ds now, and then Stewart shows up with one on his D70 as well!

-/\/
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

Must have been quite the low-light fest. I've seen Emily's work with it; she seems to love it.
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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Stopped.  Pro User  says:

Finally! Getting used to each other wasn't easy, but now we're talking:

The Great Explorer
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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I'm Brian Fellow says:

hey all,
just got my 30 in the mail today. I'm getting CA according to my patented CA bright light test.

It's somewhat less than what i was getting with the Nikkor 50 1.4. If you had asked me a week ago, I might have said this would have to be a bad sample, but its just one of those things to work around I suppose.

But I'm glad I sent back the 50 and got this one instead: bright, nice color, sharp, quiet focus, good build, and ultimately the range I was looking for (50 is too tight a crop.)
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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Phil Nesmith  Pro User  says:

Im thinking that I might get one of these ;)
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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OneRandomMonkey  Pro User  says:

better get one soon, NikonShooter :-)
got mine from B&H three weeks ago for USD399. today i checked and its at USD429 on their website?!?
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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Vilhelm Sjostrom  Pro User  says:

anyone have any samples of 100% crops of focus area and edges and shot wide open?

Color and sharpness is definitely better than the Nikkor 35mm f2, but from what I've seen I can't say for sure how it measures up with the Nikkor 50mm f1.4

Any samples shot at 1.4/2/2.8 ?
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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Phil Nesmith  Pro User  says:

Random-

oooo...dang.
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Vilhelm Sjostrom  Pro User  says:

OK found some in 100% size from fresh posts. wow, this prime sure has good color and sharpness even at f1.4
Posted 76 months ago. (permalink)

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jdr3k  Pro User  says:

I have this lens in my sights now for the same reason as others - I love my 50 1.8, but find my self climbing out windows too often to get shots (it's always easier to get closer).

Re-reading the thread, I laughed, because 7 months later, I asked at my local Calumet, and they said the same thing "no, we don't stock it, but gee, everyone is asking about it." Only one place had it in stock (Boston area) for $449. I see 17photo is down to $379. Some eBay realtors have it for $356, but think I'll pay the extra to order from a good shop.
Posted 75 months ago. (permalink)

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I'm Brian Fellow says:

ha! you're from my neck of the woods. I asked the guy at newtonville camera about this lens and he said it didn't sell very well so they sent it back to sigma. He tried to foist a 28 1.8 off me too. (don't get me wrong: nice enough lens, but not close compared to the 30)...

I haven't shot much with it as my d200 is going in for treatment at Nikon Melville Hospital. but the images I did manage to shoot were very nice indeed.
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I'm Brian Fellow says:

btw, i bought mine at sigma4less.com for $390 ship included.

international warranty, tho : (
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jdr3k  Pro User  says:

I ordered today from 17photo. $398 including shipping (but US warranty). Should arrive tomorrow. I'll have the body at work and will walk home with it :)
Posted 75 months ago. (permalink)

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jdr3k  Pro User  says:

I got the lens today and took some shots at work and on my walk home, starting in the dusk and finishing in the dark.

I'm sorely disappointed in the results. It makes me think I have a dud. Distortion is almost shocking, pictures aren't all that sharp, and there's far more noise than I've seen on the kit lens or the 50mm f/1.8.

I'll post a set of pictures for feedback. I'm hoping 17photo is easy to deal with sending back.
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Phil Nesmith  Pro User  says:

:(
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I'm Brian Fellow says:

jdr3k-
I dunno man. I think you've got to give it an apples to apples comparison here. I'm not familiar with the d50, but with the d200 1600 is really noisy and will tend to soften up the image.

In a couple of the shots you haven't followed the 1/1.5 x focal length rule so hand shake is definitely the usual suspect here.

Also you're shooting it wide open whereas 2.8 with the 50mm, so DOf can be yet another factor.

The way I tested mine is shooting product labels with fine text and a tripod at proper exposures.

Play around with it some more and see if it will grow on you.
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jdr3k  Pro User  says:

Popozao: check out these shots: www.flickr.com/photos/52232039@N00/sets/72057594077410605/

All taken indoors without a flash with a 50mm lens (a few with the kit lens). I think I have a pretty steady hand. Some taken at 1600, others at 800. I always feel like I can take sharp shots at about 1/40 w/ the 50mm. Decent shots at 1/30 and even 1/20 if I'm trying really hard and have a few takes.
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I'm Brian Fellow says:

interesting. I haven't shot too much with my 30 as my d200 is getting repaired. I didn't expect it to be sharper than the 50, though. I bought it mostly for the focal length. I owned the 50 1.4 but had to send it back due to bad CA.

When my cam comes in I'll shoot more with it and post.

P.S. Been meaning to go to Upper Crust, supposedly the best pie in town. Which really isn't saying much.
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Ryan Brenizer  Pro User  says:

You may want to try another copy; although it usually takes a little while to get used to using a lens to its fullest, there's no harm in trying. 17th street photo is very understanding about lens returns within a week.
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