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I know there are some of you like a challenge, I would absolutely love to see this coloured, would it be worth the effort as it is from 1910 and very poor quality?
Originally posted at 11:13AM, 5 June 2008 PDT
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star1950 edited this topic 48 months ago.
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Hi Star
I think I need your permission to access the large pic.
aNDY
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I have you and most of the regulars as friends so it should be ok now!
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Hi and Thanks.
I have always wanted to know a bit more about this type of thing and wondered if any kind soul could show me/us how the Levels controls in either DP or PP work. I would like to get rid of the mid tones to clean up Lily's skin before putting on any colour and I seem to remember that the levels option is one to try.
aNDY
Posted 48 months ago.
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A quick and dirty attempt using the brushes in Photoplus X2
Nessy
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Okay aNDY - quick and simple:
Levels
This is the original Levels output of the Lily image in PhotoPlus:
Notice the gap at both ends of the one sided 'mountain' - a faded photo. The ideal is to have most of the mountain evenly distributed. The three triangles running along the base are (from left to right) the black point, grey point and white point. The individual colour channels can be set (Red Green and Blue channel) but as this is a grey image that we will be colouring it won't matter.
This is after adjusting the Levels:
I moved the left end (black) quite a bit to darken the fading, the white (left) just until it reached the start of the 'mountain', and the grey point (centre triangle) towards the left to try and compensate for the fading - just a matter of doing it to what 'looks' right really.
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Thanks Nessy you have done a grand job in the time you took.
The tiara and necklace is lovely.
Ken, are you going to guide us along as I would like to follow it? I have done colouring before but it's the skin I'm not so sure about.
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Hello Star,
If you would like me to, I'm happy to oblige. I'm no expert. This is a very quick rough I started as soon as I saw your post - about 20 minutes ago. If this is something that interests you I'll start from scratch on a step by step. It's more along the lines of a hand painted photo and still contains many of the 'imperfections' of the original - but I think this adds charm and an individuality. By the way, it appears as though the original may have been on canvas (or just a poor scan from half-tone printed material). Give me a nudge if you would like to continue.
this is my quick partial effort:
It's very easy, and can be achieved with PhotoPlus 9 onwards (maybe even earlier, as long as you can use layers).
Ken (Major Confusion)
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I'm on ppx2, can use layers and done the mountain level.
Edited to tell you.
This is from a 1935 print so the photo was 25years old when it was printed. Does that help in what actually was used in 1935 to print this photo?
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star1950 edited this topic 48 months ago.
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Okay, I'm at the same stage too and on PPX2.
Save the image as Lily.spp (or whatever you wish).
Right click on the background layer and choose duplicate. Call it 'Painting layer'. Zoom in to 150% and concentrate on Lily's face. Choose a round brush at 40pixels with soft ends and 18% opacity. The colour I used was R247 G229 B229. We'll paint her face on the layer just created. Experiment on the layer, it doesn't matter if you make a mistake. If you can give me a few minutes I'll post a screenshot here and talk through how I achieved the results.
Ken (Major Confusion)
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That's me got everything all ready up to the minute, so it's bedtime, see you all tomorrow, thank you Ken.
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Back again:
Screen-shot 1
As long as you keep the mouse button (or stylus) pressed down when you click and drag the paint brush, you will keep the 'paint' running smoothly. Give Lily's face and neck at least two coats of the quick drying paint. Try to keep within Lily's shape. Once you have a good coverage, it's time to concentrate on the high spots - cheeks, nose, forehead, remember to allow for the areas that will remain in shadow.
Just a thought, if you are in any doubt as to your ability, or are unsure of quite where to place the paint, I suggest you create a new, empty layer called 'Paint Over' and paint here instead to begin with. I strongly recommend doing this anyway, I should have suggested this in the first place and will continue to mention it throughout. This layer can always be linked to the duplicated layer and merged later. Ask me if you are at all unsure.
Just for information, the neck took about five layers of paint (but only two around and on the necklace)
Now for the fun part:
To see our progress just reduce the opacity of the Paining Layer to between 65% and 80%
Screen-shot 2
By reducing the opacity of the painted layer we are allowing the highlights and shadows of the original black and white photo to show through. As you can see, I only reduced this to 81% in my haste. When the other parts are added (like her lips, hair, eyebrows and jewellery, the difference will become even more noticeable.
Don't forget to reset the opacity of the Painting Layer to 100% before you continue. Before doing anything else and while we still have the skin tone, it would be best to complete her arms before we move on to finish her face, hair and jewellery.
Remember, make a new empty layer to do all your painting on. Keep checking your progress with the opacity slider bar. When you are satisfied, make sure both the duplicated background layer (called Painting Layer) and the layer you have just painted over (PaintOver Layer) are both at 100% opacity and linked, then merge the two linked layers. If this isn't clear please tell me.
I'll come back tomorrow when I've got a bit more done.
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Major Confusion edited this topic 48 months ago.
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This is the completed 'skin' area.
Remember, this is at 100% opacity at the moment, it will be reduced when we have completed the rest of the colouring.
As the whole image will be taking on the appearance of a 'hand coloured' photo, I tended to use a flat colour for the skin. There is nothing stopping you from experimenting with different skin tones or shading though, just remember to use a fairly transparent brush and gradually build it up.
This is the layers tab - remember to paint on the top transparent layer (highlighted), not on either layer with Lily's image!
Changing the brush size to 11pixels with an opacity of 15, make the colour to R212 G96 B96 (or to taste) and paint two coats for the lips - you can give just the one if you prefer. Zoom in as neccessary when painting!
Taking the brush size down to 8 pixels, opacity 9, R46, G35, B6, carefully paint in the eyebrows - four sweeps for the nearest and just two dabs for the furthest. A 200 or 300% zoom helps here! It really isn't much, but just adds that little touch - and it doesn't matter if the lines don't perfectly match either because they will all blend seamlessly.
Once that fiddly bit is over we can have a play with a larger area, the hair. Whack the brush size back up to 40 pixels and 15% opacity, change the colour slightly to R56, G26, B5. You can use a larger brush but 40 pixels will give an accurate match for all outer edges except for the corner going away from us at Lily's forehead - you can still paint over this area with this brush as we will be able to tidy it up later. Give all the hair area, (including the tiara), two coats.
Build up the colour on the areas in shadow except for under the tiara, leave that area alone. Try to blend the shadows into the highlights, these will come next, but before we start them, let's make sure you're happy with what you've achieved so far...
With the Painting Layer selected reduced the opacity to somewhere between 65 and 80% to suit your taste and make a note of this. Now select the newly painted hair etc. in the PaintOver Layer and reduce the opacity to the same percentage. Does the general appearance of the PaintOver Layer match that of the other, are you happy? If so, return the opacity of both laters to 100% and let's save what we've done so far before pressing forward.
Now change the colour to R117, G78, B9 and give a general single coat to all of the lighter areas, blend the highlights into the shadows. Now apply some more of the same colour to smaller areas of the highlights until you get something like this:
Check your progress as mentioned above, if your not happy, as we saved before we proceeded we can easily go to File>>Revert to bring back Lily before adding the highlights, without the need of digging through the history tab.
If you're satisfied with your progress so far, it's time to merge the two painted layers. Make sure both layers are at 100% opacity before continuing. Select the Painting Layer in the Layers tab, hold the shift button and click on the PaintOver Layer. Now got to Layers>>Merge>>Selected Layers. The two will become one called PaintOver Layer. Rename it to Painting Layer and add a new layer called PaintOver Layer - this will be used for our next part, the jewellery. Save your work.
This is Lily so far with the Painting Layer at an opacity of 70%:
You can go a bit further with the highlights if you wish by adding a lighter colour to just 'kiss' the highlights - personal choice!
As Arnie says, I'll be back!
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Just an update saying I have got this far.
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Sorry Star, I missed your earlier edit. My guess is that the print is a half-tone screening, but the original was printed on some textured card. This is one reason for the image grain - very difficult to reduce without losing a lot of detail (and a lot of effort trying to correct for no real purpose on this image).
The next stage is a bit more tricky, only because we have to make decisions about items we know nothing about (yes I know we already have with her hair, my apologies). The tiara, necklace and bracelet could be any material, I think pearls are a probability, but for speed and the purpose of this image, I'll stick with plain gold for the tiara, gold and sapphires for the necklace and gold for the bracelet.
We need a 'gold' colour R244, G210, B26 will suit our needs. As for size of brush, I'll leave that up to you - the smallest to do the job is 11 pixels, or you can stick at the 40 pixels for the tiara, but you will need smaller for the necklace and bracelet. Zoom in to at least 150%. There's no need to be too finicky as when we reduce the opacity everything will blend in together.
When you come to the necklace it may be helpful to hide the Painting Layer by clicking on the eye icon (remember we are painting on the PaintOver Layer), so that the original background layer is showing underneath and zoom in even closer. For the sapphires a lovely (when we've finished) 'cornflower blue' R0, G104, B226. Stick with a small size, I used 11 pixels and only two coats of paint.
Side by side comparison of painted jewellery:
Left = 100% opacity. Right = 70% opacity
The bracelet is just a repeat of the necklace.
Happy? Merge as before - remember to make sure your layers are both at 100% opacity first, create the new layer and save.
I'll move onto the rose in the next step.
Ken (Major Confusion)
Edit - just saw your post, Star, how are you doing? It's not too difficult to follow, I hope?
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First the leaves, green... no, you don't say! R24, G82, B40. Stick with the 11 pixel brush, 15% opacity and it might be helpful to turn off the Painting Layer again (I overpainted some of the rose when painting in the arm and hand). Try to pick out the leaves as best as possible. It looked to me as though there are two larger rose groupings and two smaller buds in this image (there will be a screen shot below). Look up the Raspberry Chocolate pallet (sounds delicious, don't tell RG) in the pallets tab, the flowers - and a bit of ribbon I noticed are from the first, second, fifth and sixth swatches. Just two coats each.
Again, the left has 100% opacity and the right 70%
The original is zoomed into at 150%
Check all layers are at 100%. Merge the two layers as before, create a new layer called PaintOver Layer and save.
We'll be able to whack up the brush size a bit again and start on the dress.
Just before we continue - I'm going to have a break as the image processing takes just a few minutes to do but for me, the writing takes about an hour for a couple of sentences!
In the mean time, have a think about the colours you might want to use for the dress and background as this is all that's left to paint; I've been looking at the pastels pallet. For now though, let's have some fun experimenting with the blend modes, it will give you a taster of some interesting (and downright ugly) effects available simply by choosing how our painting layer blends with our background layer.
Select the Painting Layer, now cycle through the different blending modes (we're currently at 'Normal') - doesn't look any different does it? Now change the opacity - What!!! The colour disappears by random square pixels, not very useful for this image. Carry on experimenting with the rest of the blending modes at varying opacity settings. When you've finished playing, don't forget to return the Painting Layer back to 100% Normal!
See you later!
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Thank you so much ken, that's me up to date again. Take your time we are not in a hurry.
I am following it fine, just hope it takes the right shape at the end!
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Okay, back again for the home stretch.
As mentioned before, this is going to be pure guesswork as to the real colours, and don't forget to keep your eyes on your layers and their opacity settings.
I really like Nessy's quick and dirty entry, just had another look, the pearls and coral do look lovely, and your work on the tiara makes it stand out beautifully!
For the dress I'm going for a lilac bodice and skirt with mint for the detail, both found in the pastels pallet. Moving back up to 18% opacity, and a larger brush of around 70 pixels to give general cover, it will need to go down to around 30 pixels for some of the smaller detail. Keep the magnification to a size so that the entire dress fits within your screen. This will mean you can complete one section of colour (the large patch on the right hand side for example) without having to take your mouse button off, giving a smooth fill. Two coats will suffice again.
Some may ask why give two coats of 18% opacity and not one of 36%? Good question, simple answer, it creates a smoother blend and is more forgiving if we should miss the line slightly, particularly when we reduce the opacity. I find it just creates superior gradients - and that is what this style of bitmap imaging is all about, the smoothness fools the eye and you don't see the 'jaggies'.
Happy with your result? Reset your opacity to 100% for both layers, merge them, create a new PaintOver Layer and save.
Last, but by no means least, the background. Sticking with the Pastels pallet, for me, the one that works is the 'mint' again (between the sky blue and yellowish green). Two coats again this time and reduce the brush size to 30 when going into the gap between her arm and body. Once you've been round twice, if you feel you want to go in closer to get some finer detail that may have been missed, reduce both the brush size to around 25 to 30 pixels and opacity to just 5%.
Before merging the background here, experiment, try adjusting the opacity of both layers, for example, Painting Layer at 70% and PaintOver Layer at 60%. When you are happy, merge the two layers and save.
Okay, enough talk, you want to see, right? Well, so far so good(?) A matter of opinion I suppose!:
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Major Confusion edited this topic 48 months ago.
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Hello all,
aNDY is still having pc problems and says:
Still having problems with my computing, this time my Yahoo account has vanished and I can not access Flickr or my email.I have been following your fab tut on Lily. This image I have done is using no brushes at all but layers and layers of the original with image adjust effects. Just another way.
I love the skin tone aNDY's managed to achieve. I'm not sure whether he's used his favourite DrawPlus or got his toes wet in PhotoPlus with this one. Hopefully he'll have things sorted out soon and we'll find how he managed this.
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Firstly Ken and Andy both the images are lovely and both totally different. Sorry to hear about further woes Andy, come back soon.
I have been trying to pluck up courage all night posting this, so here goes. Thanks again Ken it's gave me an insight in how to go about painting skin which I was scared of before.
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aNDY's is just gorgeous. I can't access the picture to have a go :(
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I'll make you a friend and then you can download, let me know if it works ok.
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Hi Star, Ken and aNDY.
Wow, all your pictures are beautyful.
Thank you Ken you taking your time for' this great tutorial. This is Everything We Always Wanted to Know About Coloring Pictures (But Were Afraid to Ask)... Or something like that!
aNDY's approach is also impressive. Will we also get a more detailled explanation (once his PC did recover of course)?
DKB
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Hi
I have joined again with a new account name but please there is no need for a welcome, just pleased to be back home although I still need to sort out my Yahoo account.
I will get myself together then post my method of producing this picture. No brushes were used at all.
aNDY
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Well Done to all involved with this tut, I will place it in with the others on the links page :>)
Sorry I haven't had time to have a bash yet...busy busy busy!
Sean
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Okay aNDY I won't go to the trouble of welcoming you .... :>)
If you get your other self back you can do as I did and keep your alter ego for posting tuts etc
Sean
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seanyriley45 (a group admin) edited this topic 48 months ago.
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Hi
If you have free view there is the last bit of a queen concert on ch22.
aNDY
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Thanks aNDY - that's on TMF which I have set as channel 21
was just off to bed too! ahh well :>)
Sean
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Yeah so was I.....
Oh, and less of the alter ego mush....or I'll alter yer face!
(kiddin myself)
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seanyriley45 (a group admin) edited this topic 48 months ago.
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Hi peterapumpkinhead before you go to bed I was wanting you to see my hero Sean, I think he's away to watch Queen.
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star1950 edited this topic 48 months ago.
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LOL
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DaaaaYo!
DaaaYo! Daayyooooo!
You bu**ers can sing higher than I can....I tell ya! Ha
BTW That pesky orange faced nutters got the best pillow grrrrr!
Sean
BTW2 A tash quite suits, methinks... last time I had one of those it was as a 15 year old with a b*mfluff version
Ohh and BTW3 I take a size 12 shoe, those little tappers must be for a proper Queen :>)
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Thanks and here’s mine. I tried to make it like the photographs that were done on glass and hand coloured on the back. My grandparents had a couple of them and I always thought they were lovely.
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I'm not sure what is going on with the other guys, judging from their posts I think they are suffering from sleep deprivation. Quite a common condition with Serif users.
TOBs - It is funny you talking about back decoration of glass, it is something I used to do when I was in the screen printing industry. You tend to work the wrong way round and finish off with your background. It is the way I like to work now with the brushes, using lots of layers. I put in the detail first then build up the body colour behind it on the lower layers.
Nice image.
aNDY
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Star, I think you've done a great job and a subtle entry from Jules too, was this created using PhotoPlus or DrawPlus?
Thank you for the kind comments.
This image is not a family heirloom, if it were, I would approach it with more care and attention to detail; spending far more time to get skin tones and blemishes corrected. The original 'painting took around 25-30 minutes to do, the rest of the time was spent struggling to get the words out without muxing tham ell ip (mixing them all up)!!!
On a second look I thought it could have been improved slightly so spent 40 minutes doing this one from scratch:
The first adjustment I made was in step one - to decrease the levels settings slightly. This made all the difference to the following stages that remain the same in technique just a colour change. The only real exception is that after completing the first couple of coats for the skin (a slightly darker shade) I added rouge to the cheeks - just one coat at 10% opacity, followed with a single coat of white for the cheekbone and other skin highlights (nose, jawline to chin, neck and along the back/ shoulder).
Just a note, my 'tool' of choice is a stylus rather than using the mouse. As PhotoPlus is a pixel based image editor I find I can get just the right amount of control over the brush strokes (including pressure) that a mouse just doesn't support naturally. They really are ideal when working with photos in this way. My preference, it may not be yours, really it's what you're happiest with, the main thing is to have fun!
As I mention closer to the beginning, I'm no expert. This is just one method of having fun with the software and I hope we've learnt something along the way.
Ken (Major Confusion)
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Hi
To be honest I have always been in two minds about adding colour to these wonderful old photos, plus my love of monochrome but earlier this year, Leslie gave us all a bit of a challenge and a wonderful chap helped us out. This post from Leslie made me realise this is not about restoring old photos but giving fading memories a chance to go back in time.
www.flickr.com/groups/serifusers/discuss/7215760331705229...
This is a link to some of Eric's other restoration work.
www.flickr.com/photos/ericdege/sets/72157594185430277/
Since then I have been trying to spend some time experimenting with ways to use DrawPlus as a tool for capturing the spirit of the moment rather than accurately reproducing a photo.
The first thing I do is to copy the original onto a second layer. I am going to work on the background first, the reason will become apparent later.
I am going to make a mask out of the background, first I draw around the figure and the inside triangle shape made by her raised arm. I have used quite angular lines to emphasise the rather blurred detail you get with old photos .
Once you have finished you will need to group your two shapes and use the Combine button (looks like a circle and square) now when you crop your image you should end up with this.
Now you have a background the only thing to remember is to make sure the final thing is opaque as it is to always remain on the top layer as a mask. One option is to convert to a bitmap and blure the image, then add a tint of a colour to it.
What I have gone for is a bit more adventurous and I converted a Art Deco wallpaper design to one of my swatches then faded it in image adjust.
aNDY
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I have just put the original photo back on the layer under the background (mask).
This may seem an odd way to work but as long as the mask stays on top of the layer stack you can be as reckless as you want with the next stages and the background will cover any mistakes.
aNDY
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indiandy08 (a group admin) edited this topic 48 months ago.
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I can not believe that 3 months has passed since this thread, I have been meaning to show off a technique I use in Draw Plus for this type of thing although I know you can get the same result in PhotoPlus using the erasure tool.
If ever an erasure brush, in particular an erasure airbrush became available in DrawPlus it would make this a doddle.
The idea is simple, colour or tint a copy of the original, add blur if you want to and use the transparency tools, mainly the ellipse to select the area and drop it onto the original.
I have done the whole of this image this way with no need to draw/crop shapes or use any brushes. Here goes.
This was the original image.
All I have done is to colour or shade it with the colour wheel, I picked a light pink but changed it to a slightly peachy colour and change it several more times as I go on, don't worry. The great thing is you can keep going back and changing things as you need to.
Now I added my lovely old blur tool. I used a radius of about 1.5 but it will largely depend on your page size etc.
I want to put in the base colour for her hair now. I did some background research on Lily and believe she had flame red hair so I made a new copy of the original and gave it an orange tint plus blur.
Now check the transparency > ellipse tab with the layer selected. If you are not quite up to speed with the transparency tools it would be good idea to acquaint yourselves with what's what. Try the How to section or ask and I will put a tut together although my knowledge is from hands on and I have still yet to read the manual.
This is what you are trying to achieve, or at least somewhere close.
In the tool rack to the left of your screen, about half way down is the transparency tool. It looks like a wine glass, click on this.You can now move the transparency area around your page by clicking and dragging the centre node and resize it with the two extended nodes and use Format > Transparency to edit your transparency pattern.
I have drawn a circle around the format tab, if you click on it and open up the transparency tab you can insert your own sliders to darken or lighten areas. I inserted one point to add a stronger colour.
If you end up with something like this you are pretty much there as that is all there is to it.
To add low lights I copied and pasted the same layer to a new layer and darkened the colour with some brown. Because you copied the layer when you select the transparency tool, the little glass again, you can adjust the nodes to suit.
You will also notice I have revealed the eyes a little. It was a mistake but works well as you will see. Again, do not worry to much everything can be changed but try to keep each step on a new layer and name each one so you will remember what each layer is
These are the next steps I took.
I did the dress in two goes.
If you remember the original background I did, really as a mask on a top layer, well here it is but adjusted to suit a softer image.
Finally to bring it all together I have layed the original B/W photo on the top most layer and blurred it a little to remove any grain, and reduced the transparency to about 15%.
I'm not sure how far I can take this and will use the brushes to add the detail but I hope you have enjoyed this and will give it a go.
aNDY
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indiandy08 (a group admin) edited this topic 45 months ago.
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Hi
This is a portrait painted of Lily by Sir James Jebusa Shannon and which now hangs in the N.P.G. It is the only colour reference I could find and makes much of her flame coloured hair and a possible insight to the person behind the publicity postcards.
Another interesting thing is that she was born and raised in Salford, Manchester. Now that rings a bell.
If you like looking at pictures and images from the turn of the century you may like to have a look at this ladies stream I found by chance.
www.flickr.com/photos/19603157@N03/2320459633/in/photostr...
aNDY
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There are some lovely images at your link aNDY.
RG
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Just fabulous, there is something so special about them that you do not see in a lot of recent photography.
aNDY
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Thanks aNDY for showing the you do not really need PhotoPlus to enhance images
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Did you see the Lily Elsie ones? I was on her site before and told her about this thread but I never got a reply. Some of her pictures are re-coloured as well.
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Yes, I do not think she mentions what software she uses but she has done a lovely job. While reading up on Lily I read that she agreed to monthly photo shoots for postcards. She got the princely sum of £100 per year for her time.
I use DrawPlus for everything I do sativus. I have got use to using it and enjoy working out ways to do the things like this project
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