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I'm not sure but I don't think it has much sense to make "monthly contests" here.
Could an image be better than any other?
To win... to win what?
Here you can tell what you feel about it.
Originally posted at 10:44AM, 2 November 2007 PDT
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fernandoprats [@ ubiquography exhibition] edited this topic 55 months ago.
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 a free download of y sin embargo )))
Originally posted 56 months ago.
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Фототека им. Зепа edited this topic 56 months ago.
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 : you've got a good taste... ;-)
Posted 56 months ago.
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you know that magazine?
Posted 56 months ago.
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:well, yes. In fact, I'm the director and editor of Y sin embargo magazine.
+ info: ysinembargo.com
+ myspace: myspace.com/ysinembargo
+ flickr group: flickr.com/groups/ysinembargo
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;)) it was pretty hard to bring you to the point where you were introducing yourself... now some copy & paste and this goes to the "hello, i'm..." thread of the primary rhizom group ))
and don't forget this link: stores.lulu.com/ysinembargo
there are people like me who shoot film and love to have books and magazines in their hands... ))
Originally posted 56 months ago.
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Фототека им. Зепа edited this topic 56 months ago.
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so, now i should get more seriously i guess...
back to your opening question... a contest...
i don't know. contests are not my style. as you did ask: is there a way to decide if a picture is better than another one? for sure, there are several aspects to define "quality" or the "special feeling" a photo may be able to evoke. but who defines them? and who would be able to define them in a group that has the goal to collect cross media artwork? what we can see in the rhizome groups are single pictures. so a photographer would always have a better standing in public contests than a magazine layouter who is presenting a single page of his design concept. and why should those so different things compete against each other at all?
if we want to do something like that i would have another, at first sight maybe similar idea. in two of the groups i'm an admin in we have got administrator's choice for a photo of the day (FELT LIFE) and "postcards from graz" (♥ LOMO GRAZ ♥). these two similar concepts are not aiming to select the absolutely most terrific image, we know that we couldn't do that for there are too many great submissions of too different styles... so an admin chooses an image he/she likes and presents this image.
maybe something similar to that could be more attractive for this group. what about picking one image per week and introducing the artist a little bit? then we could share an image, some links and some short paragraphs about that specific artist once a week... some mix of the introducing news and "in the spotlight" from the UTATA homepage...
i don't know if it is clear what i suggest... )) - it would come a little bit like a "magazine shortcut"... by the way something you could think of for the y sin embargo group, too...
check the links, i think it will be easier to understand what i mean when you combine the elements you can see there by yourself :-D
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Now, a short intro is done.
I've seen what you suggest, I visited those pages. May be a good idea. Let's see how this rhizomic thing develops.
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i agree that we have to wait how things turn out. and i'm still caught by joël's article ))
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. . to win what ? . . Simply constructive comments and exchanges, to always progress and explore our passions for picturing ! Social web2.0 sites are an invitation to collaborative win-win games . . not wow-wow games like in mass-media stars-audience problematics ! Wow-wow games are some of the zero-sum games of the liberal economy. The new life cycle of art is no more made only of podiums, with egotized winners and frustrated losers, but made of rhizomes, good ones or bad ones, each of us as to choose his connections !
Now art makes the audience when audience makes art . . this is the definition of the rhizome ! This is its essential property . . its performativity !
Each one of us have only one unsolvable problem, not to waste time, and only one wandering strategy to live and love our passions, the serendipity, so all selection systems are potentialy rich pre-selection ones. With or without awards, with or without podiums, what is a good selection group is a group where we can enjoy to click a new contact, impatient to discover his new propositions.
This night was a great night (yes, I'm insomniac, a fabulous pathology that web2.0 technologies will never cure), I've added 2 or 3 new exciting contacts, and you know what ? I've discover them in the rhizome ! Rhizome is a good group !
. . (+ζ +· ) . . before a little sleep, I've just a big-bug to signal .. the href of the premium pool preformated message is not the good one . . That makes a confusion between the common pool and the elite one, arghH . . what a deep mistake ! . . (ˆ¿.ºˆ ) . .
Cordially ! ! Thanks a lot to remain connected !
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jef safi (a group admin) edited this topic 55 months ago.
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"Now art makes the audience when audience makes art ..."
Yes, yes. The rhizomatic activism consist of a non-stop production plus an tireless search of new win-win gamers. The only way to play, I think.
And that sense... is plenty of exciting wood-good-new-news.
Originally posted 55 months ago.
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fernandoprats [@ ubiquography exhibition] edited this topic 55 months ago.
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I agree, contests will be counter productive...
However, a group that has no inner dynamic will die -as good as it's pool can be... How about threads of definitions...of relations? hmm, I am not sure how to explain what I mean, bear with me and lets see if it might interest you guys :)
So the pictures here do not share a straight forward set of properties under which to make categories, we like that, at least I know I do. The rhizome is much more a structural property and an intentionalist approach to say the least. So how could we categorize such a heterogenous pool then?
Well, that is where I think the subjective point of view (mine in this case hehe!) shifts around dynamically the points of view of the other subjects, the ones outside my monad, the virtual real people here. And viceversa. So we want comments, thought out comments, not syntactically pre-made comments. By asking for this, we are asking for people to place their point of view in some relation r with what is in an image, a product of a temporal state of a point of view... r however, is not predefined, as you said, what would we win? why would a pic be better than another? r should be invented by us, reinvented by each image... hahaha! the relationship r can be called "rhizomatic" if we like a label... but the structure of the relational property r is what we must leave amorphous and yet express...
Ok, so after some theoretical mumbelings, I think that what I mean is that we could start a thread where a picture of the pool is chosen at random if you like, and the idea is that we should relate it to another picture in the pool, it does not even have to be the one one posted, but rather any picture to which the subject that has the intention to create a conceptual/emotional relationship in fact does create it. Kind of like this: We start with picture A, someone then posts the link or small version of picture B and explains that B holds a relationship r to A because of x and y subjective observations; then somebody else looks at B, goes to the pool and thinks that C holds a relation r to B in z and a manner, etc... pictures can reapeat themselves, but the relations that emerge might be really interesting and also show how this rhizome is articulated and evolving...
An amazing thing of the rhizome as a concept is that Mr D and Mr G present it as a form that, through it's amorphous unity, embraces naturally the pluralism of difference... If we leave all these awesome pictures without creating and recreating relationships among them, then it will become difference that repeats itself without an emerging level of unity and complexity. That, would be sad I think.
It's a spur of a moment idea... it's form is up for total reformulation, but the intention behind it is what I am wondering what you think about.
:)
Enjoy!
Originally posted 55 months ago.
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Nıɹʌɐuɐ SQ (locate @ ΔxΔp ≥ 1/2 h) (a group admin) edited this topic 55 months ago.
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Or... another way could be to start several simultaneous threads with the same initial picture and see how things can differ... :)
Posted 55 months ago.
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. . Hello nirvana ! hello all ! . . an other spur of a moment idea . .
. . 1 - In this rhizomatic world 2.0 where art makes the audience as audience makes art, there are so much images in the upload flows that each image is neither good nor bad, each image is more and more . . 1/N with N->infinite = nothing ! So, to be creative, we have to create new image concepts or .. anything else elsewhere !
. . 2 - You're idea NirSQ to link-connect-rhizome images is a good one, if we enhance this idea a little more. I've still create and maintain what I called an hyper-images (example). Using add-notes, rather than comments, with links towards other images. Definition: an hyperimage is a network of linked images via hyperlinks in add-notes.
. . 3 - Your idea + mine is an occasion to make emergence of a rhizome-image, or rhizimage, or ... If we freely add-note images to link them, the three separate pools (by the selection rules we know) would be hyperlinked by add-notes for new reasons, with new rhizomic connection points. Let's imagine them, link by link, for example a connivance of colours, an affinity between member, a conjugation of verbs, a common object, any similarity or opposition, . . anything able to be justified in few words + 1 link in an add-note.
. . 4 - I complete here this idea, proposing a new inner rule in the rhizome, a real rhizomic rule bypassing awardings, a rhizomic hyperrule, a rhizorule rhizoming rhizimages:
# for 1 post , x awards (cf. awarding rules), 0 to n add-rhizlinks
# each add-rhizlink is made by an add-note in any image of the rhizome, the one posted or any other one, freely if add-not is authorized by the author.
# an add-rhizlink includes "a text" + "a link = 1 url" toward 1 target image in the rhizome group
# the link can be any part of the text, according to the link syntax of HTML href (see example, notice that's a reflexive one)
# the text, it's the only deep constraint, must be very short, few words, not wowie, or wowie if needed, and absolutely indicating what is the deep meaning of the link.
. . The rhizorule can be tuned in details after debate and reflexion. As it is, the idea can now be . . rhizomically discussed ! Just imagine that the topology of the hyper-rhizome will be semantic as will be the web3.0, but sooner than web3.0 !
. . Utopia3.0 ? Pix ? NirvSQ ? Fernando ? . . look at the example, a reflexive one but any simple rhizlinks would be rhizomic enough !!
. . ( °.?°) . .
Advantages, win-win benefits ? Of course !
1 - Let's imagine. When all rhizimages will be rhizlinked together by their own web, it will be possible to navigate in the rhizome over it's chonologic order of posting. We will re-discover images and we'll have occasion to award them.
2 - Let's imagine. When we'll discover rhizlinks in our own images but added by other visitors ..
3 - Let's imagine. When we freely rhizlink external object out of the rhizome .. images or web pages .. or any objects like an Y sin embargo PDF .. an MP3 file .. a thread discussion in an other group ..
4 - Let's imagine. When outer links everuwhere in the web will link an image of the rhizome ..
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jef safi (a group admin) edited this topic 55 months ago.
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Hmm... I like it, it's rather multi-dimensional... But you must teach me how to do it, I am no programmer... :( I like the theoretical part of formal languages (correction: languages all in all), but have never had time or circumstance to learn how to link or write any codes...
Please Joel and Fernando and everyone else, could you write up instructions for us the code-ignarus? :)
I can see the idea as exciting... actually, i think we could actually do both forms of relationships... thread and link :) Even though perhaps that is too much work, I do not know...
Anyways, I shall sleep on it....
[I need to sleep, too many sleepless hours make my brain slow)
Cheerio!
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I'm rhizlinking with a brand-new megaphone on my left hand. And I saw I'm not alone... this time.
Joël: It's about time to add a rhizlink explanation on main page (now, also with a spanish version, all for the same price). Do you?
Nirvana: you can already start that rhizthread.
Code for a link on a rhizlink note:
<- - - - Copy & paste (from this ENTIRE line down to where it says stop) - - - ->
<a href="http://www.writetheurlhere.com/">add your note here</a>add not-linked words here
<- - - - Stop with this ENTIRE line - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
I'll be rhizdiscussing this... right now.
Originally posted 55 months ago.
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fernandoprats [@ ubiquography exhibition] edited this topic 55 months ago.
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me encantan que hablen tanto.
yo ya no hablo mucho porque hablé y teoricé mucho en mi vida, y me cansé, trato de escuchar (o leer), aprender y ser práctica.
me encantan sus propuestas más lúdicas que competitivas, son más interesantes, y es verdad, quién puede decir que algo es bueno, o malo, o mejor, o peor. se entraría en una discusión filosófica sin fin.
sinceramente, hace unos días estaba pensando en eliminar la posibilidad que dejen notas en mis fotos.
cuando quiero ver una foto y aparece llena de cuadraditos me molesta, me parece una invasión, y en un punto (me acepto un poco prejuiciosa) adolescente.
sé que el sentido de las notas y las conexiones que acá proponen es diferentes, y es interesante (ya lo comprobé gracias a efepé que intervino una foto mia).
pero así como a veces tengo prejuicios y me pongo un poco intolerante, también busco el equilibrio siendo abierta a los cambios, a las novedades y a las experiencias.
por lo tanto, allá voy.
juguemos, experimentemos, conozcamos, interactuemos, aprendamos y no dejemos de divertirnos.
xel
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I shall experiment with the links... :)
... wish me luck!
Originally posted 55 months ago.
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Nıɹʌɐuɐ SQ (locate @ ΔxΔp ≥ 1/2 h) (a group admin) edited this topic 55 months ago.
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Luck!
Posted 55 months ago.
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Thanks...
I did a little story... I had nothing already in my mind, but it came out as a kid's story hehehe! That was fun... but took quite a while... I must get better at this! :)
Kid's Story
Originally posted 55 months ago.
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Nıɹʌɐuɐ SQ (locate @ ΔxΔp ≥ 1/2 h) (a group admin) edited this topic 55 months ago.
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Yo aprendo por mirar no más.... porque tuito en ingles, no entiendo una palabra
No pido traducción completa, pero como está discusión está linqueada desde el Home del grupo, tal vez... una idea...
Aunque ya entendí qué es Rhizlinks
... sonrio...
Posted 54 months ago.
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Bueno... si ya entendió qué son y cómo se usan los Rhizlinks, ¡listo!
Posted 54 months ago.
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ohhh... que bien..hasta ahora no sabia a que se referian con los RHizlinks!! :-) bien..bien buena idea...
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Desgraciadamente, los andan medio muertos actualmente rosa, pero revivir es siempre divertido... :)
Aqui esta el link a una coleccion de los que ya existen, sin embargo, hay varios que fueron cortados... a ver si te gusta lo que por ahi te hayas.
flickr.com/groups/545429@N24/discuss/72157603994081499/
:)
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oi...
I feel like I've been in this conversation before. I learned much, and found, and felt, a new dedication about what a Rhizome is/was/should be the last time. It might well be a conversation I had with me/myself/I ;P
I rhizlinked in so many ways...patterns, connections, colours, moods, etc. I thoroughly enjoyed the art of it...it is/can/should be thought as such. But mostly…it is the force (communication) that these groups were based on.
Nirvana SQ's Yellow Brick Road led me down a path which was so enriching and enlightening. It glowed with enthusiasm and had spirit. That was my inspiration.
And then I stopped. Was it because there were no others relishing in rhizlinking, was it that my photos were being less and less rhizomed, was it all the squares, no matter how placed, disturbed the view, or were they just not worthy of a Rhizome...or all the above. Only the RhizWizard knows ;)
Counting the company here, there may be five or so more that actually GET what this/these group(s) are about. When I do get a Rhizome lately, it is normally devoid of anything more than a cube. I am not whining...I promise you. I just find it becoming so much like the other groups, where after you post, you must give three (2,1) comments...
Have I spent too much time rhizoming in the archives/catacombs that perhaps I have lost touch with the present...??? Most likely.
Where there is a problem(s), there are always solution(s). How do we get the masses to live up to the expectations/participation of the RHIZOME ?
Rhizome Candidum....1,042 (members) 4274 (images)
Rhizome Premium...516 , 7431
Rhizome Summum...345, 4212
Exponentially reversed or reverse exponential members…unable to quantify the image numbers…graphed it looks like a mountain ;)
Just some of my thoughts…nothing more, nothing less. ;*|
Some of my sentiments/feelings/thoughts are well expressed here by jef safi.
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Hmmm... yes Imagination Alone, I've been thinking about it for a while lately as well.
What, oh what can we do to my favorite potato?
I have not come up with much I must say, nor have I been around much... sigh*
However, reading this... em, just now, makes me think that the best way I have to fight the pre-ordered entropy of flickr groups is in fact to get back on it: I'll rhizlink some more, play even if sometimes it feels we are all in fact just playing solitary in the same room... hehehe! We are not, I do believe. Things just fluctuate as all things in any world do.
So, let us make it fluctuate once again... a bit more actively. :)
I must say, the numbers don't bother me... it was to be expected that the premium would be the largest of the pools of the rhizome... 2 awards per pic, hence the summum. I think we just have to play some more, with joy and time...
Oddly enough, I've realized sometimes the rhizome has been referred to as a thing, an external thing different from us individuals, and as much as it is, it is not. Just as rain is not rain if drops don't fall. It is us playing, not the game itself that we play, or so I think.
Anyways... I'm off to do some rhizlinking...
I'm glad you got inspired by the yellow brick road, pitty I can no longer repair it (I lost the list I made of it when I made it)... sigh... but there are more roads to build and to stroll along.
;)
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The numbers really weren't an issue for me either...other than I'm a numbers girl...I found it quite interesting...members vs images. The Summums group was truly a surprise...with the lowest of members, it has as many images as the Candidum. Do people not join as a member even though they have images in the group...or...do all the images belong to just these members...intriguing. Nothing more than that, and certainly I am not going to spend any time trying to solve the mystery ;)
Twice baked potato...always delicious.
I shall endeavor to make more fluctuations...and dam the entropy!
;*}
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