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im thinking of adding a new rule, that people must participate in at least 2 games before starting a new game. this rule will be to stop people just dumping an image and expecting people to edit it without actually participating in any of the games, which is not what the group is about.
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As a tennis veteran I think this is a good idea Steev.
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thanks for the feedback marco, anyone else got any views on this before i put the new rule up?
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other than those of us who enjoy seeing the skill of others displayed, while not acutally having any skill ourselves?
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slopeypete edited this topic 44 months ago.
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Steev, new to the group but I like this rule. It seems like there are a lot of "games" that only have one or two volleys. This isn't as much fun as the ones with a ton going back & forth (like Game 86 holy cow!!!). So, fwiw, I support this rule.
You could also add a rule that no new game can be posted until there are at least four pix in each of the two preceding games... or some such.....
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birdfarm wrote: You could also add a rule that no new game can be posted until there are at least four pix in each of the two preceding games... or some such..... birdfarm, thanks for the suggestion, im not sure it would work though, the way it works currently is a kind of darwinian "survival of the fittest" thread, its hard to force inspiration and creativity.
BTW ive noticed people are still not following the rules, especially important is including a link back to the game thread that they post their images in, in their images photo description, this allows viewers of the image in their photostream to jump to the game and see the images evolution and to also join in the game if they so wish.
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steeev edited this topic 40 months ago.
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an idea for a new rule, as well as posting the usual medium sized image linked back to the flickr photo page in this groups game threads, it would be nice if all players included a link, beneath the image they post, directly to the full size version of the image.
this will enable viewers to see the full image quicker than having to click the pic to go to the photo page and then clicking the all sizes button. and will also make it quicker for players to get the full size image for editing, and also make people aware that the image posted is not usually the full size version of the image, as a lot of new players dont seem to realise that.
as i say its just an idea for a new rule at the moment, feel free to follow it anyway, as it helps out both the viewers and the players.
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steeev edited this topic 39 months ago.
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Hmm I don't agree, recently me and other guys are doing our best to do more than "only have one or two volleys".
I don't really care if newcomers post a photo, as long as it's not a silly one, and anyway steeev is already monitoring it well.^o^
Also I agree with the link to the high-res pic, so we can go faster.
p.s: I know I'm one of the guys who don't really respect the rules...lol ;op
I am going to do better now.
birdfarm : you should try this instead flickr.com/groups/pstennis/discuss/72057594142893936/
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Hi, thanks for the update on the rules as I am new to photoshop tennis.
I am really enjoying this group, I did study graphic design at college but it was a while ago now and although I do remember how to use photoshop (it was Photoshop 4 at the time lol) I dont think I'll be any good at it now. So I think I'll just stick to the watching if thats ok.
Heres the link to the original picture, and please let me know if I have done everything right please, I like to stick to the rules
www.flickr.com/photos/or4ngecrush/324310312/in/set-721575...
Oh and I "finally" figured out how to get a larger picture on flickr sorry for being a bit stupid lol,
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steeev edited this topic 39 months ago.
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Ok here's my new rule :
Please everybody never use bad compression for your photos!
I use always jpg., but I keep 100% of the quality.
Don't save your pics in paint!
I have seen a lot of games getting slow because someone uploaded a pic like 640x480, but the original was 1024x768, or something like that.
What can we do? I don't want to work on a mini photo!
And so much noise, bad grain, etc...
Please keep the quality!
And sorry for the weird english! lolXD
p.s: I have tried to save, close and open again a high-res photo in photoimpact 12. jpg format, no loss compression at all, 178 times.
I have seen only ONE pixel change after 178 saves. The color was more cold, that's all. The pic was 2048x1536 and at least 2.5megas I think.
I just wanted to say jpg compression is great with no compression.
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good point about the image compression haribo, i will add it to the rules.
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instead of posting an img at all on the first post of the game, may we just post the link to the large version of it? and when we edit them do the same (or at least post the medium version with a link to the High-Res) with the edits - so that the next edit will also come from the high res.
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only the link? Hmm I think it would be better to see all the photos in a row, that's interesting to see the evolution.
By the way, steeev, do you still do some slideshows?
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Just wanted to say something... I hope that again, nobody will think I hate or anything... but I have noticed that in several threads, some people just deleted or anyway hide the previous changes....
Is it ok? I always feel bad for those guys who work for nothing...
And myself too!^^
Please everyone try your best to "save" the previous changes...
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Personally, I couldn't care less if someone edits out/over something I worked an hour on the very next chop. Each chop gets it's own recognition, then it's time to move on. But I can't speak for anyone else.
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HunterSThompson edited this topic 39 months ago.
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well actually I thought it was one of the rules, to keep the previous changes?
But hmm.. I admit too I made this mistake since I covered your change in the Game 123:Traffic Jam... I changed the mirror. ><
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HARIBOAIRSTRIKE edited this topic 39 months ago.
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there should be a rule against things with lasers for eye... lol
maybe not.
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Yeah well, I know that the rules are not always to be respected.
But as I said on another thread, I know that sometimes some people had enough to see their work covered or disappearing etc...
Everybody don't lie, because you can see their angry comments sometimes...hehe^o^
And as I said on another thread, I don't care as I saw my changes being covered lots of times, so I'm just wondering about everybody else...
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I think that it is rather inconsiderate and rude to just eradicate edits that someone has worked hours on and that happens to be really creative. It hasn't happened to me yet but I think it would be quite unsettling. All of your creative "juices" being disrespected. Some of the folks out there are very talented and imaginative, show some appreciation and let their stuff stand. This really develops a reluctance to even post by the good players. Let the hackers conjure-up their on ideas. Take care to preserve the work of others. Add to but don't change.
-JUST A FEW THOUGHTS-
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The other side of that coin is...we're not creating artwork to hang inside the Louvre, we're having fun. In another thread I suggested that as long as someone's photochop can withstand at least a couple of revisions, then they've had their moment. Plus their original work is preserved earlier in the thread...it's a progression that sometimes has fantastic results (eg Game 36).
-Just a few more thoughts...and I'm sure we can all agree on some middle ground and move on.
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Agree with ThomasOMalley, and many times it is precisely because of the creativity of the original posted-over-edit that sparks off an evolutionary aspect of the picture - which often becomes the strentgh of the image 'narrative'. The many changes to the same item make the image more interesting (in many cases) than a rather more static additive match...
If someone were to edit over a change I had made, in a clever evolutionary way, I would be quite chuffed (I think)...
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Michael-D edited this topic 39 months ago.
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I have only participated in 2 games and all 3 of my changes were covered over or eliminated in future rounds, pretty quickly after I posted them. At first I was a bit miffed, thinking I wasn't good enough to play tennis, but after a few minutes, I got over it. I posted the billboard in the Polynesia/Maine game, and it was covered almost immediately after. Is it better? I guess so.
In the long run, it IS a game we are playing, and I've decided I don't really care if I do get covered up. I think I was just being sensitive because I am new to this pool.
And since I love what they are doing in the game that I started (50th birthday), I think I will stay in the group for more twisted fun.
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katydaly edited this topic 39 months ago.
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My feelings are that the ideal is to maintain a trace of every contribution. Contrary to Thomas O'Malley's argument, Game 36 is actually a good example of this ideal. (The only time in that thread when something is covered up, rather than simply reduced in size through a perspective change, is when Nathan Dainty's alpine landscape is covered over by stars - and this is soon thankfully remedied.) In Game 125, for instance, I pasted over katydaly's poster (sorry, katy, I meant no disrespect!!) but a 'trace' of her contribution - the billboard structure - is maintained and continues to play a central role in the composition.
This should not be a rule. It should be a convention. The big draw of PSTennis for me is the idea that together a group of disparate individuals around the world can create something (witty? anarchic? insane?) together, for anyone who cares to look and laugh.
I say let's keep the emphasis on the 'together' part of that.
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Notyalc Rednaxela edited this topic 39 months ago.
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HARIBOAIRSTRIKE wrote: By the way, steeev, do you still do some slideshows? anyone can make a slideshow, its quite simple. just go to www.bighugelabs.com and go to the slideshow maker toy, then go to the game u want to create a slideshow for, then copy and paste the image urls into the application, create the slideshow, then post its url to the game.
I dont know about the rest of you, but im sick of seeing bob ross popping up in each game, there are also a few other "cliches" that regularly occur. In order to foster a little more creativity, Im thinking of bringing in a rule banning cliches. The first candidate to be added to the list of cliches will be Bob Ross, anyone got any other cliches they would like added?
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I'm glad you mention this popping thing... hehe
I think it's too easy to do this. it began to annoy me just a little, and it doesn't help creation I think.
And I should STFU since I used too much the Japanese singer Reina Tanaka in lots of photos...>< My mistake.
There's also this Waldo thing...
Sorry for the weird english.
But still, I always used the Reina Tanaka image in different positions. I mean, I think I almost never used the same photo... hehe is it ok?(^0^)v
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HARIBOAIRSTRIKE edited this topic 39 months ago.
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I understand the idea, but I don't especially like the idea of banning 'cliches'. Authoritarian measures will not foster creativity. As a general set of rules it may also alienate new players.
May I suggest that the originators of individual games stipulate 'no cliches (e.g. no Godzillas, no sharks, no robots with laser-eyes)' as one of the game rules, if they wish?
(The frequent appearance of Bob Ross is a running joke, not a cliche. It will run its course.)
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Alex Clayton wrote:
> Authoritarian measures will not foster creativity.
so are you suggesting i should make the group completely free of rules?
> As a general set of rules it may also alienate new players.
if it eliminates bob ross from the game, im all for it. its just all too easy once you have created a photoshop file with a cutout of bob ross's head, to stick it in every game wherever theres a person, and you cant think of anything more creative to add, or are just lazy. whereas, if you cant think of anything creative to add, you could just pass and let someone else add something more original.
> May I suggest that the originators of individual games stipulate 'no > cliches (e.g. no Godzillas, no sharks, no robots with laser-eyes)' as
> one of the game rules, if they wish?
that would be one way of doing it i guess. but i have participated in another pstennis forum where a list of banned cliches was enforced (on worth1000) and it did actually work to foster more creativity.
> (The frequent appearance of Bob Ross is a running joke, not a cliche. It will run its course.)
you say tomahto, i say tomayto. i have noticed that every time a new player arrives they see all the recent games featuring bob ross, and think that somehow he is the mascot of the group, and simply *has* to be added to make a game complete. i dont think the newbies will ever get bored of bob ross. though as the admin and creator of the group, i will say it was fun for the first few times, but now i am very bored of seeing him, and think its time to retire him. The players in the group have so much creativity, and have created such wonderful images, im sure they can come up with some new fun "running jokes" :)
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steeev edited this topic 39 months ago.
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In the sitcom world, I believe this is called jumping the shark, and has definite pros and cons. Wiki entry
Not to say Photoshop Tennis has jumped the shark, maybe just the Bob Ross guy has.
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dnskct edited this topic 39 months ago.
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I'd like to emphasize a valid point that Steeev made:
"...if you can't think of anything creative to add, you could just pass and let someone else add something more original."
Being my own worst critic, I've stopped myself from posting on a couple of occasions because I didn't feel the avenue I was taking was worthy...either it wasn't creative enough, artistic enough, or else it just wasn't funny (not to say that humour is essential in this forum, but lately we've been heading that way).
Banning something outright may not be prudent, however, because you never know if there might be a situation some time around Game #487 where the late Mr. Ross's face would add the perfect touch.
Hopefully just bringing up the subject will make people think twice before they go around sticking his face everywhere, like a kid with a rubber stamp...
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Maybe some happy little trees will help us to get along?
I'm all for rules. A game isn't much of a game without rules. And like ThomasOMalley, I think there are too many 'kids with rubber stamps'. I'm all for posting Bob Ross's photo and everything, but then there's the waldo guy and the japanese girls and the obligitory shark and Godzilla and Hawaiian backgrounds and so on. By themselves all these things are fun and quite humorous (I certainly don't mean to offend anyone, in fact I don't have any problems with anyone in this group). However, when all these things are posted in every single game, it gets kind of old and the game loses its fun-factor, not to mention it takes up space that could be occupied by original ideas. Also, occasionally a group member will post a huge change that covers over 20% of the picture. Several games have come to an abrupt stop because of this.
But, the rules depend on the person starting the game. Ultimately, it's up to them as to whether or not Bob Ross makes a cameo, or the final photo has nothing to do with the original, and so on. Most the fun comes from posting your own work. I just think that we as individuals should vary what we post.
That's my take, anyway.
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johnusmaximus1 edited this topic 38 months ago.
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hmm well... me neither, I don't have problems, but even if it sounds extremely pretentious, I certainly don't want to be classified as those "kids with rubber stamps". If you take a look at the game 125 : flickr.com/groups/pstennis/discuss/72157594453342884/
I used a Japanese girl, that I didn't use before, and why? Not because I HAVE to use a J-girl in every photo. But just because her stance, look, and clothes, were a perfect match for this photo and I think the photo really became attractive with this.
She could have been from paraguay, it would have been the same.
I live in Japan so I have more photos of J-girls, sorry...;o)
Unlike some people, who don't have any skills, and post only 1 photo, in which they add in a very unrealistic way bob ross's head...
And as for the game 129 : flickr.com/groups/pstennis/discuss/72157594481867030/
that's the same. I tried my best to be in harmony with the tone of the photo, which became more disco.
I always try to add something which is LINKED to the rest of the photo. That's why I said there's a difference with the people who just added bob ross.
Hawaiian backgrounds? It's the same. It was just in harmony with the topic every time.
And again, I repeat that for example, those waldo guys and bob ross were always the SAME photo. As for me, I think I never used the SAME photo twice. That too counts.
As for the people who covers over 20% of the picture, well you're late. We already discussed about this, and it seems the majority agrees that we can cover each other's work. I didn't completely agree, but anyway... actually there are no clear rules about this. But do we need rules for every single thing?
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Haribo, your changes rock. Keep up the good work.
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huh thanks...(*^o^*)v no no I'm bad!
Now I blush..^_^ hehe
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All these rules scare me. I love what you've done here, but I'm not sure if I have the skills to participate. What about a 'playinground' for rookies like me?
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the actual group's rules are here: www.flickr.com/groups/pstennis/
if you are just starting to learn photoshop and want to practice your photoshop skills there are lots of other photoshop groups you can join. here are a couple of examples:
www.flickr.com/groups/35468146990@N01/
www.flickr.com/groups/crudephotoshopping/
though there are others where you can learn techniques and specific skills, try the site's group search if you are interested in those.
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steeev edited this topic 37 months ago.
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I know I'm new, so as far as the rules go I'm still learning. However, I can divulge why I participate and what I like that keeps me comming back.
I appreciate the novelty. I like seeing additions that are thematic, innovative, have a level of technical merit to them, and the occasional but not garish running jokes or standard additions. The last catagory can be a bit touchy because I think everyone would like to have something that they could be known by, and be easily seen as an addition so as to prove they were there. It's when they are too apparent, too large, or too played out that it turns against itself. For instance, I like adding "Bender the Robot" but I try to make that my most technical addition and more effort is put into it than a 'Cut/Paste'. I also like when you have to really compare to see a change. Although in the case of the Cuban image, my added graphitti was covered up accidentally (which in my eyes was a compliment), and I thank Alex Clayton for noticing it and correcting it. Which leads to my next point... Leaving room for others is ideal and lets everyone in. It lets a real collaboration occur and everyone can see that thier work was appreciated and of value. I agree that this can be stretched but should be stipulated at the onset of the challenge because sometimes the kaleidoscope contests where an image can get resized completely onto, for example, a book cover, can be fun.
That's just my take on it. I agree that creativity should be parimount to be sure.
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Nat20_Film edited this topic 38 months ago.
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Hey steeev and ward. Thanks a lot for your quick answers!
I'll try to pick up the skills needed as quick as possible. Though I don't wanna 'ruin' somebody's picture, I'll also try to edit some picture and if satisfied post them here, so friendly miyagis like you could push into the right direction. I learn quickly so it won't take too long.
I'd really like to be part of this community since it is the thing I was searching for - without even being aware of ...
Moreover if people really like to share their wisdom and help me to enhance my skills, I promise to benefit to the group as a creative member :D
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steeev says:
1) All games should have a title including the number of the game, in the correct format.
2) All images should be tagged with "Photoshop Tennis" (including the quotation marks)
3) All images should include the following in its description:
"This image is part of a photoshop tennis game, taking place at: "
followed by a link to the game it has been posted in. This allows the viewer of the image in your photostream, to click the link and jump straight to the game, and view the images progression from starting image to its current state and beyond, and also to take part in the game if they so wish.
i have a little problem: there are some that post here from their office. i personaly am doing pstennis at work. doing something between layouts and nagazines and i often don't have the time to rename pictures, write tags, and other stuff. so please be gentle with me, or with us. especialy if we're doing something, not only full around.
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there were so many posts i couldnt read all
the ones about quality and size should be taken into consideration
make it 3 min participation before getting to post ur own.
and as far as description goes, allow 24~48 hrs
skilled and unskilled shouldnt be a problem, cause many a time comments were more fun than the pic
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tinybr [deleted] says:
I did make a few mistakes my self so will try and abide by the rules.
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ok up until now i havent been enforcing the tagging by gameid rule.
the reason for this was the way flickr worked up until relatively recently meant the images shown in the tag slideshow, were not shown in the correct chronological order. this now seems to have been fixed by flickr.
ive also noticed that quite a few of the people that do actually attempt tagging by gameid, get the format for the tag wrong. this means that when the viewer clicks the globe by the tag, not all images from the game will be shown. for example, heres what the slideshow for the one of the most recent games (#146) looks like flickr.com/photos/tags/pstennisgame146/show/ , pretty poor, just 3 images are shown out of a total of 12 images that have been submitted to the game so far.
the tagging format is really not that hard, you just tag firstly with "Photoshop Tennis" (including the quotes) and secondly with "PSTennisGame"
followed by the game number. eg if it was game 130 you would tag all images submitted to that game as PSTennisGame130 or if it was game 999 you would tag them with PSTennisGame999 simple really.
i shall be monitoring the tagging from now on, come on guys get tagging your images from now on! so we can watch the pretty slideshows! :D
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steeev edited this topic 36 months ago.
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Thanks for update on how to tag.
I hope I am around when PSTennisGame999 is legitimately added to a photo!
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Ok I have just tagged my 136 photos....(@_@)
I hope it'll work... huh?
I just watched the game 146 again, and there are still only 3 photos shown in the slideshow!?!?!
Raaaaaaaaah why???
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oh bugger, you are right haribo, and that reminds me the other reason i didnt enforce that rule, before.
if a user has been marked as NIPSA, it means that their images will not show up in public tag searches. your stream must have been marked as NIPSA by flickr. NIPSA stands for "Not in public site areas" or something like that. if you want to know why your images have been marked in that way you have to contact flickr via their help system.
i guess that means the only way of creating slideshows for each game is to do it manually, otherwise the images from users who have been marked NIPSA by flickr wont show up.
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What a coincidence, I looked at this matter this morning... The "NIPSA"...
Well I don't really understand, since it seems the photos which are marked as NIPSA have to be maybe some porn or too violent or something...
I haven't uploaded some bad photos I think, and I don't know about copyright...><
Hmm it has something to do with the "Fork art" maybe... lol
Damn I really want to remove this NIPSA thing.... grrrr
Maybe that's why my photos get 0 comments... lol
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ive had an idea of a way that might get around this problem.
it involves submitting all images that you submit to a game also to the group pool (you can do this by clicking the button called "send to group" above your image on your flickr photo page) then selecting the photoshop tennis group.
after submitting your images to the group pool, you can access the slideshow at this url
flickr.com/groups/pstennis/pool/tags/pstennisgame146/show/
i dont know if this will fix the problem, haribo, can you try submitting your images from game 146 to the group pool, and see if that resolves this issue? thanks.
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lol... I have just done it and now we can see only 2 photos in the Game 146.... hehe is it a joke? XD Oh well....
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no its not a joke, it just means that only 2 of the images in the game are in the group pool. oh well i guess that idea didnt work, back to the drawing board.
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steeev... Game 144 still plays backwards. Is it just the new games that play forward? Guess I should have checked one of those first.
Just checked game 146. Backwards playing slideshow also.
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dela7 edited this topic 36 months ago.
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yeah the default slideshows go backwards, im not sure if its possible to change it. it seems the only way to create a nice slideshow that plays in the correct order and includes all of the image from the games is to create it manually, any volunteers? perhaps the game starter should be responsible for creating the slideshow?
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OK, im adding the rule about adding a link to the large version of your image. This rule will benefit game viewers and players. It makes it easier for viewers to see your image in all its glory, and it makes it easier for the other players to grab the large version for editing :) It also means fewer people will grab the small image directly from the page and edit and post that.
Im also going to attempt to reformat the rules for easier digestion and clarity. this might take some time.
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I'll look into writing a script or something that will do the tagging and posting with links for that. Do you guys have a favorite uploading program you think I should hack?
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ooh yes please make a script (whatever that means, I'm a technotwit!), anything to ease playing would be fantastic.
can't help with programs or anything, just wanted to add my encouragement :0)
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Unless I'm mistaken, the rule about adding a direct link to the large version may cause the image size to deteriorate. The links that start with 'farm1' link directly to the large image, but there is no 'Download The Large Size' button, so you have to right-click and choose 'Save Picture As...'. I think I'm right in saying the resulting saved image won't be as high quality as that which could have been downloaded.
Using gisxprt's latest image on Game 153 as a test case, if you check right-click and select 'Properties' on the farm1 version (the one linked to directly), the dimensions are 984 x 529 pixels. Yet if you go to the page that says 'Download the Large Size', the dimensions are much greater at 1172 x 630 pixels (it also looks better quality, as you might expect).
The moral from this is that players should link using the URL of the page that reads 'Download the Large Size', and NOT paste a direct link (which starts farm1) to a large image. In other words, the link should start with 'www', e.g. www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=433033104&size=o
Originally posted 36 months ago.
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Notyalc Rednaxela edited this topic 36 months ago.
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new rule: actually its a clarification/extension of the existing no cartoons/graphic design elements rule. from now on CGI i.e computer generated image/computer graphics/3d graphics models/characters/ scenery etc are now also banned alongside cartoon characters/cartoons.
Posted 31 months ago.
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I never liked them anyway... hgehe
Posted 31 months ago.
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Are the past images closed or can I go all the way back and add something?
Posted 31 months ago.
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based on the rules, "the game ends when people stop posting new edits." in other words, it never actually ends because you can always post a new image. this is an example of a game brought back after about a year of inactivity. http://www.flickr.com/groups/pstennis/discuss/72157594222873985/
Posted 31 months ago.
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People, PLEASE start using tags. I try to view a group of work and it falls apart. I even get a little creative with the description part, but at least tags keep the images together when searching.
Posted 31 months ago.
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I'll make sure that I tag all of my Lester photos with his name. He is certainly enjoying his "15 minutes" of fame. He is also having a minor surgery in the morning, so say a Flickr prayer for him. He hates going to the vet.
Posted 31 months ago.
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*BUMP*
Please go back and add tags to all images as outlined in joining rules. These tags make searching and viewing game threads much simpler. Extra tags are completely understandable but please include the 2 referencing the group and game.
Posted 30 months ago.
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