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well...I guess the rumors are true. So there just might be a re-incarnation of instant film with the name "Polaroid" on it yet again?
Very interesting.
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denouement.
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i wish fuji were inspired by TIP to make 600 film.
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it is still not entirely clear to me whether fuji is allowed to make 600 film, does the polaroid brand still hold any rights on 600 film? I believe TIP mentioned in the beginning that they were not allowed to make 600 film.
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Fuji does not have the equipment to make 600 film and they're not interested (they were approached as a possible partner ages ago.) They're focusing on their instax line of film and cameras instead.
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anniebee, I understand that fuji is not interested, but if they were, or if TIP wanted to make 600 film and label it as such, would they need to get explicit permission to do so from the new owners of polaroid?
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in hk......
www.neonpunch.com/return-polaroid/
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Annie - If Fuji Instax was modded to about the size of 600 and shot in a Pola camera, would it work? Or is it chemically different?
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The chemistry has nothing to do with it, as it's sealed in the film. That's like saying a chicken can't hatch a turkey egg.
Instax won't work correctly in a Polaroid camera, because it uses the Kodak format -- the negative is exposed through the rear, not the front.
Fuji has (most of) the equipment to make Polaroid-format integral films -- there is no fundamental difference between the Kodak and Polaroid integral formats.
I'm wondering what these "most-famous Polaroid cameras" will be. Certainly nothing calculated to restore the Polaroid image.
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All they need to do is release an SLR and some square film, and i'll be set for life. I've always wanted to buy a used SX-70, but i'd rather hold out for a brand new one and shoot with my Colorpack III and Polaroid Mio in the meantime.
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This article www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Polaroid_instant_film_... suggests the cameras will include the Polaroid One...
... which I bought before I discovered the SX-70 and never went back to thereafter.
If they aren't going to make an SLR SX-70 or something similar, I don't think it's worth the effort.
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Well, I chicken can't hatch a turkey egg..
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An SLR SX-70.. but they already exist?
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i'm sure they have quite a few one600s in storage. there does seem to be an endless supply of new ones appearing in various stores.
my guess is that the polaroid brand makes zero money right now. basically the only current product is the zink, which is just licensed technology. instant film may still be best bet to rebuild brand trust before launching into other fields. or at least a chance to make a few easy bucks without having to spend the money to produce the stuff.
though if TIP was going to charge $26 a pack, i can't imagine how polaroid could sell any for more money.
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Must say I'm quite proud a Dutch guy restarted polaroid (+Kaps) , passion+entrepreneurship go well together www.vimeo.com/5426158 (VIMEO/Dutch)
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"Most Famous Polaroid Cameras"
If thats not a subjective marketing term I dont know what is!
The One600 can sit and rot for all I care. Its certainly not what I would label a Famous or Classic camera. If anything its all that is wrong with Polaroid that spelled its doom in the first place.
Cheap plastic cameras with cheap plastic lenses. Non-SLR gimmick photography which relegated the same One600 style clamshell cameras of the 1980s/90s to the attics and closets of the world.
Everyone here is ALL FOR the restart of instant films, but ffs give those who truly want instant films something worthwhile...its been 20+yrs since a decent Polaroid camera was designed let alone sold. (SLR680/90 notwithstanding)
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once again ....limited edition...
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From someone who attended the event I gathered they are planning:
- Polaroid One is returning as well as the One Step (?)
- 600 film (TIP partnership I presume)
- A digital crossover version of the Polaroid One/Zink - 3x4 prints - one of them called the "Polaroid Three"
- relaunching i-Zone "for kids"
Blimey. Not to be stirring rumors, but that's from the presentation... Quite random. But exciting.
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I just think it's amazing that we have a situation where a company dumps all it's products because it thinks they are without value, another one starts up in an attempt to make the discarded products, takes over one of their former plants, creates a huge buzz that in turn causes the original company to say "Oops, we fucked up. Maybe there is some value left after all".
Granted, the company switched owners but still, it's pretty amazing.
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is it actually polaroid itself that is jumping back in or is it just the license holders? is there even a difference?
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Diesel.D There isn't really a difference, since the Polaroid company doesn't actually manufacture anything any more. It's just a name that can be stamped on products. It's great news for TIP that the the Polaroid logo can appear on their new films, since that should mean more potential stockists will come forward. (Major retailers have no history of business with a company called Impossible Project).
I don't see the point of making crappy new cameras though. That is what got the company into trouble in the first place. Just like with games consoles, it's the software that counts. Give us cheap film, and we'll find ways of using it.
The TIP email also invited us to buy an SX-70 with various add-ons for the princely sum of 350 euros. We've already got cameras. We want film!
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The decline in Polaroid's fortunes was not due solely to the rise of digital photography, but also to its failure to re-purpose instant pictures. If you can see the image immediately on an LCD, why should you have to fuss with waiting for it to appear on a card the camera has just ejected? (Or timing/tearing/tossing?)
However icky it might be, "Let's pass around the pictures and share each other's brief sense of attachment to the momentary community formed by photographer and subject(s)" accurately describes the amateur dynamic of instant photography. If you want "the masses" (especially the unconverted) to start taking Polaroid pictures again, you've got to give them a reason to do so.
It might be useful to find out how Japanese photographers use Instax photographs. (Probably nothing important. Fuji has never made an Instax camera even remotely resembling the SX-70 -- or Kodak's nice EK-8, for that matter.)
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Since I believe i once read the SX-70 molds/machinery was lost or destroyed, there will never be another GREAT polaroid branded camera.
If it doesnt say "Land" on it, its just brand naming...and I pity those who purchase anything but.
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tubes. I too think it's amazing.
It doesn't take a genius to work out that the Polaroid Corp could have prevented all this happening though, when they first saw digital taking off. Why they allowed all the factories to get trashed, when they could have kept one or two running and just changed the marketing in favour of "retro cool" instead of "mass market" was a terrible and costly mistake.
It beggars belief that Polaroid Corp sold 14 million film packs in its final year of trading and yet still went bankrupt. They had a good product, but didn't know how to sell it. TIP has convinced them that the market is still there. Indeed, it never went away.
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Personally I'd like the functionality of the SLR680 in a body the size of aOne600. Or an SX70 with a compact electronic flash? Both with a pc socket of course...
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They should make a plastic SX-70 with a 12MP digital sensor and built-in printer for "full size" Pola prints. The technology exists. The price would be $500 at least though.
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@AndyWilson... Stop stealing my ideas. <grin>
As brilliant as Dr. Land was, he was remarkbly near-sighted in some areas. Polaroid (and Kodak) were working on electronic imaging in 1970! Given that "he" (as Kodak referred to "him") had achieved the impossible with the SX-70, it should have been obvious (or at least highly likely) that high-resolution electronic photography would eventually become practical.
Polaroid should therefore have reorganized its research and business practices on the assumption that electronic photography would eventually, shall we say, tear a big hole in instant silver-based photography.
For a time, Polaroid was actually ahead of the Japanese. An ex-Polaroid engineer told me that the Japanese actually had to learn from Polaroid how to build high-density sensors with color filters.
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@Arty_Smokes... Such a product could easily fill the niche left open by the unavailability of film for the Macro 5 SLR. The printer part -- and the cost of materials to make pictures -- would be the sticking point.
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Of course they've decided to make the One Step.
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Time for a bit of evil pessimism:
what if its just finding another warehouse full of One600s, rebranding them slightly, and calling it a new camera?
I have to ask about where the equipment that makes these cameras exists...the molds...the injectors...the plastic beads in giant boxes dumping into hoppers...did Polaroid contract its later models out, or did they do it in house? What has been destroyed and what hasnt?
These are decidedly impossible (ha ha) questions to answer, I know.
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more.....
moleskine.vox.com/library/post/the-return-of-polaroid-cam...
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I don't know about the rest of you but I have plenty of Polaroid cameras and there are plenty more out there floating around attics, garages, & junk shops. I wonder is there going to be something radically special about this new camera that will make us all drool (hopefully they don't just bolt a digital printer on the bottom).
But the film, now that is where I get excited.
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Option8 One of the articles linked in Tubes' thread said that the "new" camera will be made under licence in China. It's just gonna be more copies of the One600; like we need more of those...
I suppose the designs are still on file. Injection-moulded plastic can be done anywhere.
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I don't want that camera!
make a good one again! make a re-styled sx-70! or something...
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who cares about the camera?
we want fresh Polaroid film! :D
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according to the link supplied by (thanks, btw):
"iZone Kids camera will be relaunched, due to its previous popularity, along side with films supplied by FujiFilm."
I wonder if the new iZone will be a re-branding of the Instax Mini....
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I wonder if it's good news for TIP. After all, they're doing all the hard work, then Polaroid comes "hey, we own the brand, after all there may be a few bucks to make..."
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TIP seems pretty happy with the deal
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@philippe* I think if you read between the lines, yeah, that's what's happening. But as long as Impossible is the manufacturer, it should benefit them even more - they get to manufacturer for a bigger brand.
Now, if Polaroid starts making serious money again and decide to try to take their plant back and take over production then yeah, not so good.
Of course, who knows what the legalities are.
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pretty good to knowwww :)
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the first time I hear about packfilms: "Both Giovanni and Florian said Spectra film will be relaunched in addition to pack films."
moleskine.vox.com/library/post/the-return-of-polaroid-cam...
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My question is, when will we know when the film is out? They keep on saying 2010. But when? And what will it look like?
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When I saw the Spectra would be relaunched, I bought a Macro 5 (haha!).
There are some going for $29 on ebay, BTW (of course, the shipping is twice this price...)
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the email from TIP said they were re-releasing the One Step. slightly cooler than the one600, but i don't care for them. i assume they will be 600 compatible and not time zero.
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The One Step is probably one of the old polas with the most retro appeal.
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Missha is quite right.
Tonnes of cameras out there. The truly exciting thing is to have new and more film.
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But to make it worthwhile making the film there's got to be cameras available.
Most "normal" people don't/won't buy secondhand cameras from ebay or junk shops. If they're £50 from amazon, or on the shelves in Tesco, then they might,
Most of them will end up in a drawer somewhere, but a few buyers will then want higher-end polaroids. Then maybe they'll make the new 680/ sx70 that people here want.
Personally I want a more portable polaroid - my 230 and 680 are just too much hassle to carry around "just in case" - the behometh that is the instax100 is actually more convenient!
Maybe I'm the target market for that One600, not the teenage girls we all assumed?
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Tonnes of cameras available.
What's wrong with second hand cameras? We've all done alright on them up to now and there's millions to emerge out the woodwork.
Most of them have only been used once and then stashed away only to surface on ebay 30 years later. PERFECT.
Approximately 86 % of mine all work perfectly.
There is no way I would go and pay the £250 or whatever it could fictitiously be for a new SX70.
If the film takes off then sure they should invest in some cameras - cos obviously the ones in existence won't last forever - but for now it is much more important for us to buy film cos that's what will make the money for the brave people leading this fight to bring back film for us.
(I WOULD NEVER BUY A CAMERA FROM TESCOS. No self respecting person would. Would they?).
As i'm aware the normal people who love Polaroid love junk shops and car boots. Polaroid bargains everywhere. If we want an entirely new Polaroid audience then that may come over time, but it is the hardcore fans who need to show their support first.
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(I WOULD NEVER BUY A CAMERA FROM TESCOS. No self respecting person would. What sort of acid are you on?)
People will, if the price is right, to quote Tescos "Every little helps"
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Haha. Yes, they probably will the poor b#####ds.
The priority must still be film though.
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Fantastic news.
The 'new' camera obviously isn't aimed at people like us, it's aimed at people who've never owned a polaroid before (think the lomography / urban outfitters market). If that gets more people buying film and secures the market for film for a bit longer then it can only be a good thing for us.
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Of course, i can't wait to see the cameras and will probably end up buying one. But there are so many already in existence that work perfectly.
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PACKFILM!? Re-launched?
Ok, now this makes no sense when they said the equipment was sold, destroyed and scrapped...is this Fuji getting on board and making new/more emulsions instead of the basic ones available now?
Has TIP scored some new equipment?
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Has anyone heard any talk about relaunching Type 80 films??
I wonder if TIP will eventually produce some...
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Man, my secretary just told me that she heard on our local TV station (KSAT 12 in San Antonio) that "Polaroid just announced that they were going to re-launch instant film and were in the process of developing a new camera" (obviously, Polaroid is all I talk about around the office). Upon hearing her say that, I almost kissed her...1/18 of a second later, I thought, "better check Flickr."
Nevertheless, until I hear otherwise, I'm going to assume that this "new" camera will have the kind of specs that would meet the approval of QMM & Option8...sometimes it's more fun to be a Glass is Half-Full kinda guy.
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It's highly unlikely. Considering how cheap FP-100C currently is, what would be the point?
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It really is cheap, isn't it? If you buy in bulk, you can easily get your cost-per-shot down to $0.80 per picture...and there's not much creatively you can't do with it that you can do with Polaroid...that goes for the B&W film too.
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i'm thrilled with the notion of new film being made and sold. i appreciate everything the impossible project has done to keep polaroid photography alive. they really have brought us back from the brink and i thank them from the bottom of my heart.
the only thing dimming my excitement about the "polaroid relaunch" is concern that the very same people who threw polaroid under the bus are now going to resurrect it. it's hard to have any faith in a company that abandoned their users and their core product after running their company into the dirt. polaroid corporate management ought to be a case study in the idiotic business management textbook.
that said i recognize that more polaroid cameras for sale (no matter what kind) will mean better chances that the film will become widely available again. however - if polaroid resurrects crap cameras it just goes to show they still have no idea who their core customers are or what they want or how to give it to them or why it matters. it very well may be that the licensees are nothing but a name for sale, dollar grubbers who have awakened like slumbering zombies to the possibility of taking in a little more cash before they die off...at least the impossible project has a clue. that's really the only saving grace.
ultimately i am not concerned about the camera side of this because i already have plenty and i'm mainly interested in the film. but i recognize that a really great camera launch could give this film a more long term future.
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@donwalheim... I admire your optimism. "All" Polaroid has to do is bring back the SX-70, calibrated for 600 film, and with a snap-on electronic flash, or a Spectra SLR with a fast lens and a reasonable degree of manual control. (I'd prefer the latter.)
Or how about a packfilm SLR, that should have been available 40 years ago?
Any of these would send the message that instant photography is serious photography.
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what QMM said!!! esp the packfilm SLR (not holding my breath)
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an sx-70 with a hotshoe and double exposures made easy, it would sell for sure
a spectra slr, a dream and also my preference...
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Nice to see people in agreement!
Now... where do we find the investor with the millions of dollars needed to bring such products to fruition (also to market)?
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Packfilm SLR - Now you're talking!
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QMM: “Now... where do we find the investor with the millions of dollars needed to bring such products to fruition (also to market)?”
How about investor(s)? When you consider the fact that the only reason a company like 20x24 Studios (talk about a camera upgrade!) can be viable is because there were/are so many successful artists from around the world willing to pay a premium to keep it going, you have to wonder what could be accomplished if you could guilt all of the members of this Group into being micro-investors. You could even use the Save-The-Children-Foundation-Sally- Struthers-Approach: “For the cost of just two boxes of expired 600 film a year, you too could bring joy to a new generation of amateur photographers…etc.”
I’m not entirely joking. I once raised over $50,000.00 from roughly 200 “investors” who “invested” between $100 (the majority) to $500 (family and very cool, close friends) for the very, very, very crappy independent film I once produced many years ago; each of whom “owned” a percentage of whatever we were going to sell the movie for (we didn’t). Sure, it violated a number of L.L.C. laws of incorporation (in fact, I think they could all still sue me), but maybe there’s been some new loop holes discovered since then.
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I seriously see a huge potential for a new sx-70 having a hotshoe and a double exposure button, later on you add various accessories like a cable release and a bunch of converter lenses like a close-up lens, a wide-angle lens, a fisheye lens, etc, I am also convinced that the combined forces of TIP and Polaroid can easily pull this off..
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I think it's perhaps time we stopped speculating again until the next bit of official press from TIP or the Summit Group.
Rumours about pack film and Fuji involvement in I-zone film seem to be rumours at present. Let's have some proper press releases.
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If the average investment were $500, you'd need 10,000 investors to raise just $5M, which doesn't go very far.
That's probably a lot more than needed to develop working prototypes, but it wouldn't begin to cover tooling and production. You'd have to sell a lot of cameras to just break even, and we don't know how large the potential market is.
I'm in favor of a rigid-body SLR with a fast lens, possibly with an optional back for 4×5 materials. The basic design has been around more than 45 years, and has only two points of significant complexity. This would be the preferable product, anyhow, as the peel-apart materials, in both formats, are readily available.
Perhaps some of us could get together and come up with a rational proposal, then start looking for investors. Maybe even Fuji might be interested.
PS: As much as I'd like to see a Spectra SLR, film is not currently available, and there is no guarantee it ever will be. No investor would put money into hardware that lacks the required "software".
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If TIP brings back Spectra film I'll be happy with the close-up lens I have, and if my Model 195 forever remains a "big-assed instant rangefinder" that at least accepts all filters and strobe, I'll be a happy camper too.
If I cry this week it'll be the bad timing: Catching cold from exposure up at Lake George this weekend, now on Co-Tylenol and thus alcohol-free so I don't literally sneeze my liver across the room, AND I just added extra hours at work so that from Mondays through Thursdays I practically "live for my job" ... in other words just when I could REALLY use a mid-week drink!
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HEY YO.
I got an email from Doc about the packfilm talk:
There will be NO, repeat NO as in NONE zero zip sweet F.A. pack film. That is a mis-statement on Polaroid management's end.
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Heh, heh, heh... Sorry I shouldn't laugh... But oh the irony... A "misstatement" by Polaroid "management"! :)
If I didn't know better, I'd think they were brilliant players of the rumour mill!
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my guess is that they probably don't really know what they are talking about, as far the "technical" side of polaroid goes.
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packfilm must equal a pack OF film to the laymen.
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 Justin Craigen Thanks for clearing that up. Can you find out if it's true about Fuji being involved in producing i-zone film?
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I like harpy's comment and I really agree.
I don't like the news. I mean Polaroid decided to destroy and throw away its past and to support boring digital things only. (As an example, have a look at polaroid.com. Isn't it just boring?! Except for the spectacular instant lie advertisement, of course. Ladies and gentlemen, I still "can print my photos instantly". I don't need to remember it.)
Well, and now they see the success of the Impossible Project and want to be part of it. And since I don't like Polaroid (the company that it is now), I liked the thought that new films wouldn't be "polaroidish" anymore.
It's very uncool that the Impossible Project wants something like "IP feat. Polaroid" (and I'm not sure whether creating this is professional). OK, I can understand that using the term "Polaroid" is something positive for the IP (for selling, the market etc.), but I think it's lame.
And I think no Instant film enthusiast needs these reproduced cameras. (But the market may need them, yes...)
(Finally I'm even not sure wether the whole IP will be so great for me as it seems as if the films will be the most expensive ever, but that's another thing.)
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@Arty
I'll ask. :)
@Nate
It wouldn't surprise me...they think that Chinese-produced Ones are exciting. Not all Chinese factories produce crap though. Hopefully they are careful about who they source. Look at solar cells...there's 5 or 6 factories in China that are producing cutting edge cells, and a whole bunch producing third-rate crap.
Really though, any news that isn't Enschede closing is good news.
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i'm sure both companies stand to benefit from the deal. polaroid makes a couple extra dollars and they slowly rebuild brand trust, and TIP gets the already existing brand recognition to help sell film, plus the advantage of new camera sales to push film sales. i'm sure that whatever deal has been worked out, TIP is smart enough to not allow polaroid too much control over the actions of TIP. But they already deal with them on a regular basis through polapremium and obtaining those existing film supplies that polaroid has, so this is somewhat of an extension of an already existing relationship.
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Just wondering, what's the deal with batteries? Will the new cameras include a battery compartment or will the new Polaroid branded tip packs contain a battery? Would it make the film a bit less expensive without the batteries?
Was talking to a friend about it, and he stated: it will suck if there are cheaper Polaroid branded tip film w/o batteries that are incompatible with older cameras. While more expensive tip ones included one so they work in older cameras.
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There is NO way to sell the film without batteries...the cameras which take them would not work. The "new" cameras are (unless otherwise stated) probably just the old cameras with MAYBE new electronics (it was simple) to reflect the times and/or the 600 speed film vs the original 150.
It would also be completely against the idea of the integral film itself (being self contained).
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I keep seeing people here say that they don't like the company Polaroid has become, the one that put the venerable name on any piece of consumer electronic crap they could find.
That's not the company that announced they were bringing back Polaroid cameras.
That company was Petters, which owned Polaroid. Then its President, Tom Petters, was arrested for fraud and the company collapsed.
The company that announced they're bringing back Polaroid cameras is, basically, a completely different company. They bought the intellectual property and some other assets from Petters after it collapsed, but they're not the same company. You can't blame them for the idiotic decisions made by a company run by an alleged crook.
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Obviously, the new film has to have batteries. The cartridge has to work "turn key" with Polaroid 600 cameras, where you just snap it in and go. Or maybe with some VERY minor modifications that the average person can do, like maybe slip a filter on the lens or something like that. Otherwise, it defeats the whole purpose. If the film is not 100 percent compatible, then there will be millions of Polaroid cameras out there that will still be useless. The chemicals and film emulsion itself will be something new that TIP made from scratch. But the cartridge design will have to be very similar or nearly identical to the original Polaroid 600 film, in order for this whole thing to even work.
One possibility that intrigues me though is what if the cartridges had a rechargeable battery? Maybe you could send the empty cartridges back to TIP or Poloaroid for some kind of rebate. Kind of how like when you buy a new computer you can get a mail-in rebate. They could just recharge the battery and re-load it with film. That would eliminate a lot of waste from dead batteries. Or what if they could sell some boxes that just had the film itself, for cheaper, for more advanced users. You can buy it for cheaper, but you have to load the film into the cartridge yourself. That might be an idea. Sell one cartridge that is ready to go with the rechargeable battery, and sell another box that has just the film by itself for cheaper. Let the customer decide.
Rechargeable batteries have come a LONG way in recent years, even since the 90's and early 2000's. I think they could EASILY fit a rechargeable nickel-metal hydride battery in the cartridge.
Do you think that could work? Maybe TIP has already thought about something like this?
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Silverscape edited this topic 2 months ago.
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In short, no. What would be the point of it? The cost of recharging the battery would be greater than the cost of new battery. Not to mention the cost shipping it back.
Yes, it's wasteful. Polaroid tried to find a use for "used" batteries, such as a flashlight and a (crummy little) FM/AM radio it gave away with the film. None of these were successful.
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The battery issue is one that Florian from TIP was talking about a year or so ago, so they know it's an issue. I use the batteries for LED stickies or throwies, they work just fine with single colour LEDs (haven't tried with RGB LEDs). I would imagine that initially there isn't much they can do other than replicate the integral film pack battery and all, if the business takes off then I would guess (and only a guess) that they would look at an adapter for existing cameras and/or an internal camera battery for new ones.
The wider marketplace would find it unacceptable (I believe) for a company to just ignore this issue and the +ve PR generated by solving it would be very enticing to them.
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www1.hk.apple.nextmedia.com/template/apple_sub/art_main.p...
if you can read chinese..or for those who are interested...
re- launch includes:
SX-70 Onestep, Polaroid One, izone
Spectra 1200、 Packfilm and a new camera at the end of 2010
would be about 15 - 20 euros for the film ....says the article...
they are developing Polaroid 3 ( 2nd version of Pogo) as well...which is 3"X4"
apperatly the guy is a italian who lives in HK for 25years..
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Shawn *Hus edited this topic 2 months ago.
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No, it does NOT include packfilm. I've talked to Florian Kaps about this...NO PACKFILM.
N O P A C K F I L M.
Summit Global's people just don't know the difference between “packfilm” and “a pack of film”.
In short, I don't think they really know what they're doing beyond “Hey we can brand this, this is a branding opportunity.”
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oh yea...thx for the clarify...
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Thanks again Justin for the clarifications of this.
So, we'll have integral 600 film from TIP.
I'm still intrigued by the recurring mention of Spectra though. So is TIP seriously planning to produce Spectra again?
Thanks again!
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spectra and 600 are the same film, only the format is different, so I assume the investment is not as big as producing an entirely different type of film...
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instant satisfaction edited this topic 2 months ago.
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I'm a little unclear about the ISO of the films that will be introduced. Will the films have an ISO of 640 like the 600 and Spectra/Image films?
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chi_cowboy edited this topic 2 months ago.
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they've mentioned previously that they are planning on making both 600 and sx-70 compatible film.
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and you probably would expect the new camera at the end of 2010 to have a switch between both, no?
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instant satisfaction No. The new camera will be designed to work with the new film (which will be a rehash of the old 600/640 ISO film). Summit/TIP are not going to be making SX-70/Time Zero film. You'll have to use an ND filter to use the new 640 ISO stuff, just like you did when TZ was first discontinued.
The stupidest thing for TIP would be to make film that couldn't be used straight away in a One600, since those (by way of being most modern) are most common.
Maybe eventually there will be a choice of film speeds (lower ISOs), but I think TIP has its work cut out trying to make a decent black and white emulsion first.
By the way, although the relaunch was in Hong Kong, Summit Global has its main HQ in Salt lake City. Does that mean it's run by Mormons? Maybe the Osmonds are involved! Start the 70's revival.
Again.
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Manipulatable emulsion is the ONLY reason to bring SX70 films back. ATZ...didnt come close. And honestly, any SX70 film on ebay thats recently expired would most likely be manipulated and not just shot.
Now if TIP has any manipulatable emulsions, maybe like a "special edition" (lol), itd be awesome.
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well, I would shoot it and not manipulate it, it is a lot better than 600...
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I don't think a rechargable battery is a very good idea...
I just want the film to come out already!
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The new 600 material could, in principle, be manipulable, by using a gelatin base, as the original SX-70 materials did.
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arty, reading polapremium usa twitter: "we ARE making film for SX-70 cameras :) we all shoot with SX-70s so it was high on the wish list!", it does not mention that you would need an nd filter for it
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I understand that these films will be for SX70 AND SLR680/690. Is that correct?
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if I was making it,apart from the fact I'd probably never **quite** finish it, I'd be looking to make one pack compatible wityh both 600s and SXs.
Putting an ND filter in the pack would only add a few cents surely? And I'm sure someone could work out an arrangement of nubby things to fit both model types.
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