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Using a lighter helps...the images are in deed much sharper, but colours tend to shift magenta.
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i always put my PUSH polaroids in my underpants
45°C fo sho !
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www.flickr.com/photos/stiveune/5198442007/
www.flickr.com/photos/stiveune/5187012071/
www.flickr.com/photos/stiveune/5184938766/
www.flickr.com/photos/stiveune/5182366618/
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Does "immediately after processing" mean right after the film ejects, or a few minutes later?
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more details from Holland!
You can actually - by varying temperature and time - vary the colour saturation level.
I meassured the surfaces we use;
30 - 35 C gives a clear colour enhancement, relatively neutral compared to room temperature results
40 - 45 C gives much more saturation, especially red is jumping out here. These are beauties if you do it right !
How long...? Good question, we have not played with that yet. We always use a couple of minutes.
Judging from the chemical processes, anything between 10 seconds and 2 minutes should work. The longer heat is aplied, the more effect you can expect.
Crucial is that you apply temperature immdediately.
You should use the same speed you use for shielding pictures from light.
It is in the very first seconds that temperature has the most effect
Enjoy playing!
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I had heated a lot of my first Push shots until I read about Webbo's discoveries:
polanoid.net/pictures/ii_single_info?pid=442723&uid=1
His were baked however, so maybe it's a matter of finding just the right time and temperature. Exciting!
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I actually like the muted colors. But have been reluctant to try this film, because of the peeling, etc, just to keep an image.
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God i love you guys.
Will try this weekend. I still have like 5 packs in my fridge. I need to find a thermometer
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Rommel, those are fantastic!
Ann, I am so glad we got this friendly bit of advice from Andre and co.
All of the films are like having a mini lab with you and you get a lot of range for what you can do to this film. I look forward to playing around more this weekend.
Btw i have a few shots I did not peel, and the shift is there, but not as prevalent as some of the other examples. One shot was mostly of magenta flowers, and another was a green yellowish plant. I will try to scan this weekend.
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Hello Impossible project,
I just did the expirement with the heat bath. this is how i did it:
1: set the lighten darken wheel completely to lighten.
2: i added a dark green filter over the lens, to cut down the magneta tone, it worked! ( you also should tape the green filter HALF! over the lighten/darken cell.)
3: focus, shoot the picture on a tripod.
4: warm a hot bath for the picture. the right temperature is between 40/45 celcius.
5: tape also a dark slide in the front of the camera, to block light from the film.
6: put the photo WITH! the dark slide in the warm bath.
7: wait 2 minutes! ( not longer than 2,5, it will het very orange when you leave it in to long! )
8: get out the picture, and leave it on a flat surface for about 7/8 minutes.
9: turn over the picture, and enjoy your better PX-70 Push! REALISTIC COLOR! picture.
i hope this helps impossible with your further expirements and upcoming editions of SX-70 film! can't wait for it to come out!
maybe you should add green filters to the film packs, it really works well! it cut's down the magneta color, and adds green to natural light to it. it just sell green filters, and put it on your website!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
HERE IS THE PICTURE I JUST TOOK:
{ www.flickr.com/photos/joepsx-70-freak/5333290773/ }
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very nice work!!!
putting a filter on the film pack is one idea, but the camera would not know and you would lose the extra light needed to "push!" this film.
but to use a filter on the camera lens might be nice.
What type of green filter was it, any specific number/type?
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PUSH film like fluorescent light.
I used rosco 3304 filter taped over the lens.
www.calumetphoto.com/1/1/6698-tough-plusgreen-3304-20-x-2...
Looks like joep used a much stronger green filter though.
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no, my uncle had flash color filters. i saw rommels photostream, and he have had an amazing result with a green filter, the rosco 3304. ( easy to find on ebay for cheap ) anyway, i did go to my uncle, and he had a green one, i took it with me, and make first a couple of images with ONLY the green filter over the lens. it didn't work. so i throught: as i put the green filter HALF over the photocell of thel ighten/darken wheel? guess what, it worked perfectly! because green+natural light coming in, the push! film wil not loose that many light. your images will look wtill fantastic!
hope this is usefull!
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Rommel:
yeah, it was dark green. i am not able to buy the rosco filter, because they don't have it here. that;s why i putted the green filter HALF over the photocell lens. ( lighten darken )
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It's kinda similar to the PX 70 Color Shade/First Flush
Here's a video showing a way to heat up the picture and get a POPPING color.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv_nWtI-vrw
Proud Impossible Pioneer:
---Pedro Capunay
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PC-Photostream
Excellent video, and nice test, it works really good.
The question is, what happend after the test?? The chemicals keep being stable or did a radical change when they get the ambience temperature??
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dang, wish i would've heard this sooner. the "milkiness" and low contrast were my top concerns...
thanks for posting!! can't wait to try it out :)
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Works for me...
This is probably the most colorful shot I got so far:
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hey guys,
i tried it out outside, and it works fantastic! here are the results.( i used the heating technique, on 43,7 degrees delcius. )
{ www.flickr.com/photos/joepsx-70-freak/5338836675/ }
{ www.flickr.com/photos/joepsx-70-freak/5335821694/in/photo... }
{ www.flickr.com/photos/joepsx-70-freak/5335196925/in/photo... }
it works for me, the images are so much brighter, and the contrast is amazing!
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wowoow!! those are incredible Joep!!
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Thanks a lot! i really like to become one of your test users for new products!!!
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Great info! I'm off to take some film out right now to see if I can coax more color out of them.
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Pedro's video inspired me to keep my image in warm (place T-shirt pocket under my cardigan) for at least 10 minutes. It really helped with the colors.
Here is s shot i photographed last night!
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Well, I tryed another method, simmilar to Pedro's video.
I tooked two photos outside, with a really good light gived by our friend the sun, later I taked a film box, putted the photos in the box, and I putted the boxes in a dry and hot surface, heated by the sun.
Here's what i got.
Later i'm gonna try with hot wather.
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tried this technique this evening. shot using incandescent lighting due to the time of day. Seem everytime I heated the Push the magneta was really enhanced, even when a photo was taken using natural light.
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How long have you been warming them up? I bought some hand warmers and I'm going to try to compare timing on no warmer, 30 seconds 1 min, 2 min and 4 min and maybe a 10 min. With direct contact.
This is great!
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@Robert - I would say give it 10 min. It worked for me
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I used a hair dryer (i was already in the bathroom) held the dryer blowing over the images for 1 min give or take a few seconds approx 10 inches away from the images.
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sounds good! right now i have 2 heating pads warming up in a Fuji 100 box and so far its about 35 Celcius still warming up. Im going to test tomorrow and make a video with different times of temp development.
Im excited to get more color in these photos. Though ive had bad luck warming these photographs too much where its pink... Ive put it against my body at about 99degrees Fer.
EDIT:
Just shot 2 shots inside. 1 is developing atm at 40celcius in the 100 box and another at room temp. Post results later!
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Heres my result.
this one was left developing at room temp (covered with darkside) at 21 degrees celcius
This one was shot into a 100 film box with 2 warming pads and developed 15mins IN the heat at 40 Degree Celsius
Both were developed 15mins before i scanned them in
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wow Robert now that is certainly a good example of how well this new technique works- thanks for sharing your images
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Thank you for you're interest!
I'm going to shoot the rest of the pack tomorrow! I'm going to have a buddy film my results in daylight. It'll be about -3 celcius out and I'm thinking about taking 3 and compare temps outside developing ( 1 in my pocket with my hand, one in my shirt against my skin, and 1 in my 40degree celcius box. And then shoot 3 outside and then bring them in to have 1 develop inside at room temp, 1 at 5 mins heated at 40 celcius and 1 at 15 mins heated.
Edit: I placed the heating pads OUTSIDE of the box 1 taped to each side and that gives the box at about 22-25 degree celcius which is about room temp. This is awesome for me since I've been trying to find a good place to develop outside with the cold weather at right temp ( tried shooting into tip box and kept in pocket, against my chest, in my pockets. I've tried slot and alot of my outside images are pinkish.
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Robert Stoffer Photography edited this topic 17 months ago.
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Will heating up the whole pack before shooting help?
Can anyone try?
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what about keeping the picture on the thermosiphon?
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This all looks really good. Question is now if the color stays stable or if it still will shift to blue/magenta with the time.
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Just tried shooting outdoor and indoor shots of the PUSH! with the hand warmers in type 100 box. IT was about 47C and the images were Saturated Redish/slightly pinkish tone. Compared to the normal developed room temp at 20-23C.
Also i took 4 shots inside
1 at 10 seconds heated
1 at 1 min heated
1 at 10 mins heated
1 at normal temp
10 second and 1 min images were similar in results. Redish while also the 10mins were similar but slight added tones
Normal temp was whiteish blue with super desaturated colors. Will post pics later!
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Sorry, but my question was maybe wrote incorrect.
Anyone tried to keep the picture during developing over an home radiator? I don't know how much is warm, maybe 50 or 60C.
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I tried out with these variables:
- Indoor with ceiling lamp
- ITT Magic Flash
- Heating the picture the first 3-4 min. over the room radiator
- L/D wheel all but one notch to the whitest.
And this is the result:
www.flickr.com/photos/53331843@N02/5343901898/
And I compared this picture with this other one:
www.flickr.com/photos/53331843@N02/5329465635/in/photostr...
which was taken without flash (just the table lamp) and the L/D wheel in the middle.
To me, the flash light tends to enhance the magenta tones (though it improves the contrast). And heating the picture makes all colours more vivid (including the magenta).
So both, a filter (mandatory for indoor with flash) and heating the picture gives the best results. Don't you think so?
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In fact I did it.
1. I used the light of my desk lamp (energy-saving lamp / very bright though)!
2. The dial was set all way to lighten
3. I shielded it with a dark slide, put it immediately into an empty box and let it develop for 5 min on my heating, which was exactly 42°C warm.
Don't mind that I peeled the image! One can still see that the colors of the camera turned out very well!
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wow von that is so realistic!
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YES IT IS Robert!
I was also astonished when I took the picture out of the box!
Especially, because about 90% of my PUSH!-pictures turned out very reddish.
Tio Remus, your thesis about the connection of using flash light and reddish tones could be possible. At least when I look at my results.
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Same here von! most of the shots ive shot warming it up is redish so far. but that was about 47C
Im still trying to figure out a way to get 42C on the go. Right now, my thermometer is reading 40-41C inside a 100 box with my Handwarmers Outside of the box. Im going to test it again in a bit and see the results outside
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Sounds great Robert!
I'm very curious about your upcoming results!
And I propose to just go on with 40-41°C. I don't think that one °C will effect the picture.
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Heres some results from today
I tried using the heated box again same as i did last night
Heres the test inside
Heres the test outside
The box i used
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My attempt two nights ago.
I think it was too hot. Had a pot of boiling water on stove thus ~100C and on top put a steaming pot (one that has holes in the bottom) then on top of that put a glass plate. It was hot to the touch from the steam. Developed inside a box on the plate for 10 minutes.
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Kudos to everyone on this thread that are posting their tests. This is pretty much a perfect use of a Flickr group.
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dqmarkham edited this topic 17 months ago.
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Congrats TIP!
I really like these results.
Some are a little overdone IMHO but that's the nature of experiments.
Gonna try shooting with a green filter and hand warmer.
Tip: Don't forget to cut the chemical pods on the back side to let the blue stuff dry up. It's does the same job as peeling, I think. Pretty effortless.
Good stuff.
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both of these were heated to about 90-100F with my car's heater. the reeds picture got a little too hot. hence the bubbles.
www.flickr.com/photos/themadstork/5346516608/
www.flickr.com/photos/themadstork/5343370252/
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Just tested the heating tip, both heated to about 40°C for 5min.
great tip, this is by far the best colors i got. thank you.
www.flickr.com/photos/jlamphoto/5348948870/
www.flickr.com/photos/jlamphoto/5348338887/
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while i enjoy the blue tones this is pretty awesome.
im going hunting this weekend so i will definitely be taking my camera and maybe an extra pack o film! (and some hand warmers)
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Another test shot, just tested this for fun and it turn out great, 4 min on top of boiling water. which the steam is around 80°C
www.flickr.com/photos/jlamphoto/5357340556/
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is anyone having the same problem with the heating method?
When you use the heating method, pictures taken under white light will give a great finish, but when pictures are taken under yellow light turn out rather red.
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that is because you heated it by 80 degrees! you should heated it with 40/42 degrees.
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i had another pic that i heated around 40 degrees and it turn out yellow redish too
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This was heated. Don't know what temp, probably around 80F.
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Just tested the heating method again. The one developed at room temperature turned out normal while the one immediately heated has some pinkish tones.
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I can't buy a rosco 3304 filter in Europe, but I think that is needed for obtain more beautiful tone.
A Cokin A006 (green/yellow) could work?
I tried yesterday with a green filter A004, but it was too dark.
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that is because it ads YELLOW light. the rosco filter adds green to NATURAL light. that;s because your pictures are too dark!
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Joep, what kind of filter do you use? You are in Europe like me...
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A couple of images using the heating technique,i really like them. :)
I put them in my belly for three minutes (since I was in a flea market, people were looking at me like i was completely crazy)...
 
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Very good results.
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We are having a heatwave in LA today...temps in the 90f range. I am very excited to see how it works and some of the tones rendered. I scanned almost right after taking them, and did not peel. I will be interested to see how they shift. Some of my regular push images have shifted more than others. I have been finding that the tones are richer at neutral than at all the way light.
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@Jetsetter, did you use a flash? What was the weather like? Sunny?
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No flash, full sun around 1 :30 pm.
I did use a close up lens and lens hood on the sx 70.
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i took these outside under hot full sun 32degrees maybe,(it was freaking hot) with a gold reflector for extra light (held really close to their faces)
i haven't cut the pods yet and have them sitting in my fridge upright - if i was to break the seals now would it make much of a difference with the colour? *edit* - light meter turned all the way to lighten.
*update* re-scanned the polaroids again with colour correction disabled, they are still not accurate though (they are less vibrant than they appear in person. meh)
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not directing this at any one person, but...
there are some nice results posted here, but some of them look a little too post processed/corrected to be real.
(auto tone/auto contrast/ auto color)
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i've just rescanned the pictures again to show that i originally tweaked the colours slightly to get rid of some of the purple but over all they are pretty much the same? this is how they look straight from the scanner - - but this is how they scan in (i have an epson V500)
(the below picture is large file so feel free to inspect closer)
i scanned them twice for variation *edit*
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffarenas/5367052962/sizes/o/in/photostream/]
*Update* - just re-scanned with colour correction disabled, true colour versions are up (though they are still not accurate)
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No post for mine.
nice results Qoui!
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interesting... No need to defend your works, I am not calling out anyone in particular...
Just curious, maybe even a bit (happily) impressed at how well the heat works on this film! =)
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I think it will be best to post the pictures just how they are without any color correction so we can all see the "Real Picture".
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all mine only have cropping done.
also nice results from everyone. i took some the other day in the extreme cold but it was kind of raining so had to use arm pit method. will try with hand warmers this week as i bought some the other day!
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Hi friends,
I think that everybody is concerned about the unwritten rule that we don't need post-edited pictures in this thread. Especially because we're trying to achieve techniques to get the best results with the PUSH-edition.
Compliment to all who posted their results here. This is so helpful.
And same here appletree, my pictures are only cropped as well.
Also tried shooting in the cold with the cold clip.
It was a pain in the ass!
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I cut the chemical pods about 15 minutes after I shoot the picture. I believe once the image is fully developed, the amount of chemical needed has already been dispersed across the image so the sooner the better.
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Thanks guys - I was quite blown away w/ the results!
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For what it's worth, I have noticed, long before PUSH! was released, that portions of the first flush version that were overexposed (accidentally via being too slow to shade it coming out of the camera) took on a pinkish (rather than blue-green) cast and seemed to have "more color."
So I revisited that, after seeing this topic about heat... I overexposed slightly some PX70 first flush, and applied heat via a lighter..
I got much improved color, but it keeps changing over the last few days, so I hesitate to consider it a "success" just yet.
but, may be worth mentioning for those who still have PX70 first flush around. I have two packs left so I'll probably experiment some more...
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abdukted, experimenting on first flush would be awesome, since I still have two packs left as well! I'll also give it another try.
I think that we've already figured out a lot, nonetheless I still want to share some results. Unfortunately I couldn't reproduce the tones of my first shot which I posted here.
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That is great ^
I also like the comparison of using a desk lamp (tungsten light, very orange in color) to a flash (daylight balance, very blue in color)
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abdukted1456: I tried the heating method on the First Flush film yesterday.
I think it would be useful to post all the details for your pictures in a similar format to what I did below. I, however, don't have the picture to show. The outcome wasn't good at all, but I could scan it tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Film: PX70 First Flush
Filter: None
Light Wheel: Set almost all the way to lighten
Light: Desk Lamp
Heating Method: Put in 100F water for 2 mins
Result: A weird yellowish tone. Not very good.
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Sorry if this is considered off topic, not being PUSH! but it is px70 FF...
Long exposure, 1 notch "lighten", indoors. heat applied via lighter in various spots.
Scanned after 1 hour
This one is starting to get more green after several days
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Flash exposure, 1 notch "lighten", indoors. heat applied via lighter in various spots.
Scanned after 1 hour
this one is beginning to lose some pink and going more blue after several days
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flash exposure, 1 notch "lighten", indoors. developed under my arm for a few minutes and then heat/torture applied via lighter all over the photo
Scanned after 1 hour
this one is fading a bit to a lighter peach/pink and showing slight yellow tint after several days
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this is the best thread. i have so much experimenting to do this weekend. think im gonna go shoot on saturday. i have like 6 packs in the fridge.
keep it up everyone. and yes the details are helpful to see the various affects.
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{bump, I wish flickr had sticky threads!}
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Best topic ever.
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Best color I've gotten so far. Heated over gas burner for 30 seconds. No idea the temp......but hot.
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My last attempt.
Outdoor, 7ºC 17:00 PM
Heated in my chest for three minutes, not enough.
At least no light leakages.
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Maybe Frank can make a nice tutorial about this heating process ;-)
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I put a plastic bag containing very hot water (I guess 70-80ºC) on this for about five mins, to ensure the whole shot was heated equally. I was fairly happy with the result:
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Heated right after exposure for 3-4 minutes.
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it definitely gets very orange with extreme heat.
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this whole set of advice is very helpful. I heat mine atop a hot cup of coffee for about 5 minutes. Unfortunately, my scanner took a dive; but the results are quite nice.
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This is my result using a radiator for 5 minutes (35C).
I cut away the chemical pad and peeled the rear part of the picture after 12 hours and scanned after one week.
If I could find a light green filter could be better.
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@ Gian Guido Zuril
i bought this colour filter sample book for 5 Eur (in germany) maybe you find something like this in italy: www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/lee-filters-musterheft-designer...
comparison chart LEE Filters/Rosco Cinegel
www.ebzlighting.ch/products/filter/leefilter-rosco-cinege...
i'll do some tests this weekend.
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Is this?
www.tuttofoto.com/Catalogo.abl?cmd=md&id_marca=231&am...
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Gian Guido Zurli edited this topic 16 months ago.
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wow, thanks for this tip! heating this push! snap (held high-ish over a lit burner for a few seconds early in developing) did amazing stuff to the colors:
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@ Gian Guido Zuril
i'm not sure. looks lighter than the one Joep_polaroidfreak_ uses.
maybe it's this one: www.mldvideo.com/Online+Store/Gels/LEE+Gels+-+Conversion/...
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hmmm ok off to try extreme heat...
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put it under my armpit for 10 min, gives a perfect color.
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Awesome color!
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I need to repost the original results i got from my closet pictures. The warmed one faded almost back to the original. It was weird!
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