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Bathroom from hell - multiple flash buildup

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masontrullinger says:

This past weekend I shot a basic 3 bed / 3 bath vacant house. The master bath was particularly tricky - long and narrow with one wall consisting of floor to ceiling mirrors and the opposite side the dual sink and mirror stuff. What better way to show my thought process to light this.

When I do these on the job I first position my 4 lights where i think they should go and and set them at 1/4 power. Then I chimp a few shots and reposition and change power as needed. This has resulted in fairly quick times to get the final shot. This one took me about 8-9 minutes. Then I went through and turned off all the lights and took shots after turning them on 1 by 1.

Step 1 - Ambient Only
Normally I don't mind if the fogged glass in a bathroom blows out but I decided to hold some detail here.


Step 2 - First Flash
I tried to put a flash outside of the bathroom and point it in to bounce some light off the ceiling above the camera. This was at 1/4 power zoomed all the way out. The mirrors and doorway to the bathroom (directly to the left of the camera) caused some odd shadows on the ceiling. Looking back on it, I could've done without this light, gobo'd it to limit the spill or bounced it off the wall behind the camera to avoid some of those shadows.


Step 3 - Second Light
I placed a SB-24 at with a Stofen diffuser on the floor to the right of the camera. This was set at 1/2 power and I had it angled up 45 degrees to bounce off the wall back and to the right of the camera. This helped throw nice soft light around the whole bathroom.


Step 4 - Third Light
I stuck another SB-24 on the floor in the shower at 1/8 power with a Stofen diffuser. Originally I had it placed on top of the toilet but the wall of mirrors along the right wall found it no matter where I put it.


Step 5 - Final Light
The last light I had was another SB-24 with a Stofen diffuser on it set to 1/8 power and i held it directly on top of my lens. This fills in the subtle shadows cast by the other lights and generally makes the image feel a little more crisp.


I've got a couple more of these build-ups from this house in the living room and kitchen. The more I do them the more my brain can pre-visualize where the lights should go and at what power will work best.

Mason Trullinger
www.photogels.com
Originally posted at 1:12PM, 21 April 2008 PDT (permalink)
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rpbeehner says:

Wow. Thanks for this great post. Love the build-up shots--they really show each light's role in the mix.

Just curious because I use the same multi-strobe technique: On a big house, can you get by with just three strobes (which is all I have at the moment)? Or are there occasions where you absolutely need that fourth or fifth strobe?
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Chrome Dome Dan  Pro User  says:

There's always going to be a room waaaay back in the 15k sq ft house that will sit in the dark without the 11th strobe. I stopped at 6 and will "Jeremy" er, Viveza my way out of the dark spots.

I have to try the build-up ASAP. The posts really just make way too much sense to not try.

(Jeremy - 4 days left before I pay for it!)
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Krynop says:

Thanks for the play-by-play. That was an interesting lesson.

Just curious....what's behind those sliding mirror doors?
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Michael Asgian says:

A closet obviously...
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masontrullinger says:

The extra flashes help but they can also make things WAY more complicated to get them all to cooperate and still seem natural. I'm still struggling with the natural looking part and I'm learning to use most of my flashes at lower power levels to fill in the shadows created by a main light at a higher power.

When I first started using multiple flashes, I was under the notion that I had to nuke the room and overpower the ambient. All this did was make the image look totally unnatural and create a bunch of ugly shadows.

Now I'd rather use them at power levels just high enough so that the entire scene is within the DR of the camera. I started with 1 light but didn't like my results with is so I started using HDR as my main tool. Over time I didn't like the effects I was getting and was spending far too much time at the computer so I picked up a couple more flashes and started experimenting. Seeing the results that Scott Hargis was getting with his multiple speedlights was the tipping point for me.

Mason Trullinger
www.photogels.com
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Michael Joubert says:

Just curious, why not do an ambient only on this since there's no view out the bathroom window and if it's blown out, no big deal? Not being critical of your work, it's excellent, just wondering. Seems an ambient would've been a lot quicker as well?
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Scott Hargis  Pro User  says:

I think I could answer that -- bathrooms almost never have an acceptably even level of illumination. Usually the shower is really dark, while the vanity is lit up brightly. The floor area and front of the vanity is usually in shadow. An ambient exposure that brings the dark areas up will almost certainly blow out any light fixtures.
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masontrullinger says:

Michael,

Scott's response is correct. HDR would work too but I am not happy with my HDR processing results.

Mason
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Cindy_SD [deleted] says:

Great post.. thanks!
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Bend Photog says:

Great post. I only have 2 flashes and it awesome to see how more than 2 can add so much to a photo.
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