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I don't do video stills.
I think it's a good suggestion to get rid of the frame. It might be better without, thanks.
[I initially felt the image needed an extra-frame because I thought the lines were too abrupt - the bike path and the frames of the store's windows - , plus I liked the idea of a cinematic feel.]
*The wolf is a symbol for the international exhibition 'Touched', part of the Liverpool Biennial 2010 - which had art shows scattered all over the city.
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@livia: bothering the crap outta me that her head is too close to the top border....especially when the bottom border is so far from her feet.
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Totally agree. Just got rid of that. Thanks.
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Livia - the first shot on your steam shows the other side of the store front with the howling wolf cutout. That would have made for a better juxtaposition. Oh, and get closer, lose the b&w, lose the vignetting, get your shutter speed up and find something interesting to shoot.
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Livia: Great. Now just sharpen her up, move her a little back, dodge the top and burn the spot, crop the left and top a little, and you'll have a perfectly boring shot.
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I like the black lines in the water and the point of view, technically though it looks like one of those hipster iPhone apps with the vignetting.
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@lightwelder If I was on the other side of the store, there wouldn't have been ANY juxtapositions but I get your point, thanks for suggestions.
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Hi! I'm interested to see what you think of this?
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For one, I think your sensor needs a bath.
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hey look. you caught the kid in the air!
the volcano(?) and general backdrop is nice enough but everything is just too cluttered and clumped together on the right side.. jumping boy isn't coming close to pulling this one through.
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poagao, my 2 cents - at the current exchange rate based on my seniority, that's about 0.002 cents, but as no one else is commenting I'll sneak in. i personally would have found it nice to look at - like a nice picture frame filler - if you had a sharpely defined swimmer and no vignetting.
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I like the effects I added to this picture, but not sure if its overkill.
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sumit - I don't think anyone will consider this a street photograph. Perhaps you should take a look in the pool and see what kind of images are accepted. I would suggest first of all, not slathering your images with photoshopping, and second of all, taking pictures of people, and not street performers. I suppose buskers are an easy target because taking pictures of them does not feel like an intrusion of privacy, since they are putting themselves on display.
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or at the very least read the previous page of this thread and spend extra attention to the comments regarding filters, post processing and the over all attitude towards that effects laden images.
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@lightwelder, my "sensor" took a "color film developer" bath
@flat5, thanks for the clutter comment.
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thanks for the feedback. I get the drift. back to classroom it is for me then...
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yeah john, i think we're all looking for some sort of order in a photograph (not necessarily meaning 'we' commenting on your picture but we as humans)
that order (or whatever better description is out there) can be randomish or sloppy but i do think it hits a breaking point and your photo has gone beyond that point.
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John - sensor, film, whatever. I was pointing out the schmutz. Flat covered everything else.
Poagao - looks like Superman in a bath of kryptonite. From what I heard, kryptonite tends to lighten up when in contact with life forms, which would explain the radial tonal gradation.
Sumit - I don't think it's overkill. You should to paste your name and your website at the bottom of the image, and photoshop a color rainbow coming out of the sax, with little dancing musical notes.
Brian - is there something else to this image other than a snap of kids jumping into the water? Am I missing something?
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five kids jumping around water might be better than one kid jumping around water, is this your reaction to John's photo? tongue in cheek? that's all i'm getting out of it. either choose a faster shutter speed to freeze the action or a slower one to get better motion blur, this is stuck in the middle and looks unintended.
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John Perez: Too cluttered.
Sumit D: Wash yer windows or get outside.
Brian Legge: My god, I've started a water theme, apparently. A cluttered, blurry water theme from the looks of it.
In case anyone's interested, the water is sometimes really that color, and the nifty fifty loves to vignette wide open. Why wide open? I don't know, and trying to remember makes my head hurt, so I'm off to bed.
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It was partially a reaction, yes. ;)
I was going for the contrast between the girls jumping in and the boy who looks like he wants to be part of it but is awkwardly outside the moment. Obviously that didn't come across in the shot so it fails on that point completely.
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Sumit: ah the dirty bus window effect, know it well. Here's a whopping great argument you might be interested to read about whether it's Street Photography to have effects, EVEN as a loose mind expanding (or contracting) exercise www.flickr.com/groups/instruction27/discuss/7215762630679...
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Poagao: I'm not sure if it's a nightmare or a dream. Probably a nightmare as I'm trying to swim but for the life of me I can't move my legs and I have no arms. I have this sense that someone's watching me.
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frankiesinclair I saw that episode of M*A*S*H* too. Ok, now I'm really off to bed.
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Street or not - tell me what you think:
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Jido:
Its good and I like photographs where the object has an engagement with the viewer. But it does not work, it seems to be in a bigger content - maybe a series, there is nothing happening except for him staring in the camera..
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Sumit - why shoot with a DSLR? just shoot with your iphone hipstamatic.
Brian - Your right. concept not clear. Maybe if you moved to the right and made the leading line more emphasized. Then, at least the concept is clearer. Don't know if it will make it a good photo tho.
JiDo. Either he's angry at you, or he's waiting for you to feed him ice-cream.
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Pgao: agree with VI - the black line is the most interesting part for me. Vignette doesn't bother me so much. but the figure isn't all that interesting. maybe if we could see the legs more and get a sense of his froggie style form. Then we'll really have something to critique.
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@Brian: I'll also add that the three girls on the right are clumped together.
@JiDo: Why did you cut off his hat?
@SoupDog: The old man's expression is ok. But there's a white car sticking out to the left of his face. A black car sticking out his back. And a pole sticking out of his head. Three other peoples' backs don't make up for that.
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Can't you lightroom them out? why stop at cropping and fake out of focus?
Snark outside, stop polishing turds. If it's not there, it's not there. Thrash it, go out and take other pictures.
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Ansfoi: Yeah, you might be right about that. And I think that damn wall is limiting the feeling of urban context. Except maybe some sense of gritty.
andokides: He didn´t want ice-cream, but i did offer him candy later. Made him melt :)
Jimmy asdf: It was a quick shot with a 31mm, so I didn´t have time to move backwards.
Thanks for your feedback, guys!
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@Jido.se, too easy a target, there's nothing really to it except 'weird old gurning guy'.
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@BennehBoy: Wow - I dont´t thing this is an easy target at all, but i´m eager to learn. Could you show me some examples of what you would consider being difficult targets?
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@Soup
Diatribe? Acerbic? Constructive? Moi?
Refer to JustinDisgustin's comment above - read the previous page of this thread. Or any page of this thread.
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@Lightwelder: Nick, you are right. contritely i withdraw my sorry attempt at street photography from this thread. will cut short on the PP in the future or stick to landscapes or still lives.
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Pro: I like the place, the 2 girls the dog and the boy running.
Cons: It is not to sharp. Maybe its to much blur on the boy.
comments?
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valpar: I like the atmosphere and the life force but yeah shame about the arms. Kills it really.
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@Soup: I was going to reply, but you removed your photo and comment. I assume your last comment is sarcastic, so I'll say this:
You had three major distractions from the only source of interest in the entire photo. Of course you couldn't move the cars out of the way, but you could have moved yourself so that the old man didn't overlap with them. If you think it's hard to properly frame a moving target while getting the timing right, you're damn right it is! Get over this shot and take a few thousand more. If you read through the archives of this thread, you'll a hundred examples of people making the exact same mistake; learn from them so you don't waste time running Lightroom effects on a photo that wasn't worth polishing.
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JiDo: "You cut off my hat, you bastard! My lovely, lovely hat!" If it's not Street, it's at least Wall.
Valparaisando: Decide on a subject and stick with it.
Soup: You mean I missed a chance to see a less-than-stellar photo in this thread? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *flings machinery around room*
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(ETA: replaced with color corrected version).
I somewhat like the reflective nature of this, but I think it'd be better if the kid was doing something more dynamic (and closer) to better contrast with the chess players.
Cons: flat light, messy background, person behind the kid (deal breaker ?).
Further critique appreciated.
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would be better 2:3.
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James_M: It's kinda purple down there, isn't it? If it were a 50-foot drop instead of a patch of weeds, I'd say keep it. But it's a patch of weeds. The boy needs to be further from the edge of the frame. He also needs a cape.
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@ jido.se "Street or not - tell me what you think:"
that shot made me think of bruce davidson's Circus..
go through these pics then self critique your picture afterwards.
www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=ViewBox&VBID=2K1HZS5G...
[like for real.. i'm not being a smartass. i think one of the most important ways to learn something is to do it yourself (instead of relying on someone from flickr to tell you what's up) and this seems to be a decent opportunity to do so]
[edit] if i had to add one piece of guidance prior to going through the 80 shots, i'd say to notice how the entire frame of the individual pictures have room to breath.. even the close ups whereas your close up is super cramped up which makes it feel dead(?)
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Poagao: Yeah, I was having problems with the color in this, the greens were going crazy.
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Thanks for the comments I will keep trying
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@flat5: Thanks for a great tip - that book have some fantastic images in it. If I had the chance to follow a circus around I´m pretty shure I would have the time to pick the right distance for every shot to get the composition right. (Not saying I would ever reach his level of photography).
At the same time, if a drunk clown passed by to close to fit in the frame, I´m shure Davidsson would go for the moment and shot the image anyway. But maybe it wouldn´t make it for the book ;)
Maybe i should crop it below the mans hat to make it look more like a portrait, but then I would probably also crop away the feeling of it being an unplanned reaction shot. I kind of like the feeling of snapshot, which is why I haven´t cleaned the composition up. :)
//Jimmy
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@JiDo.se, sure, look in the pool. But essentially what I am saying is that you have a single element to your photo, one sour faced old dude - anyone with the cohones can walk up and take that picture - but all it results in is a pretty flat portrait of some poor soul that probably couldn't run after you if he tried. A more difficult shot would have him in a scene which has some complexity, interaction, intelligence, a baring of your soul/exposing your thinking kind of gig.
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A candid moment in the subway in Paris. I'm not sure my black and white post-production is good.
Thank for your comments.
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James: didn't notice the chess. Noticed bit of someone behind boy like a cape as P says he needs a real cape. Colour cast - tho maybe that's something to play with. Odd to see a picture all blue green and grey. Just too dull.
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Eschon: I like it for the 'moment' but it's not a beautiful or stunning photo. Maybe because about half of it is quite dull train interior? And the guy is oof with not enough in front of him to make that ok (struggling to see much of the two girls).
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funnily enough, I think I would like this photo a little more if the old lady wasn't in it.
Actually, no, maybe not. Frankie pretty much nailed it - it's a pretty boring photo - if there had been some interaction between the two girls and the old lady you might have had something.
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The woman plugging her ear due to the saxophone is nice interaction; the right half lends nothing to the photo.
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So...
ESchon: Too contrasty for me, It's a standard train shot, but doesn't really add much more than that. I like the idea, just not how it's done.
James: Like it. If being picky the man being the kid is a bit annoying, as is the tilt, but colours, comp etc all good in my opinion. A good quiet photo.
Valpa...: A "nice" photo, good timing, but that's all. It needs more though to stop it being a cliché.
Brian: A bit too bright, plus I think they should be in focus, not blurred. Good timing though and difficult to get right due to the split second nature of the shot.
Here's one of mine. The streetphotographynow gang like it, but then each week I am surprised by what people there like and don't like. For me, the colours are nice, the composition is good, but somehow it doesn't quiet all make for a great photo. What else would it need?
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a brightly lit pigeon in winging it in the upper left.
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It'd be a much better photo if you'd simply included the guy's head.
Post production is a bourgeois concept. Nothing on the right side of the frame is helping the shot.
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Daniel: it doesn't seem to be good etiquette to post critical comments on people's streams, unless they've specifically asked for it so I think that's why the SPNP comments generally pick up on anything good in the picture. Saying that if you don't get any comments you know the picture is probably dead boring to most people.
This picture might be good with the head, but then it depends what kind of face. It might then have made it too straightforward. It does look cut off without the head, but then on the other hand it makes you imagine who he is. I imagine something sinister like those gangland films where everyone's very ordinary on the surface but they've got body parts stacked up on the freezer.
The colours, focus and shapes are good but maybe face obscured rather than cut off would work better next time round?
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True true frankie. It is a nice group, but a very polite one - hence the reason for chucking this photo over here.
The head thing... he was looking at the camera, and not in a good way, so I re-framed and got rid of it. I'm not much of a head chopper and this is sort of my first go at it. I am pleased I chopped his head off, and it's hard to know if it would be better with it as I don't have anything to compare it to.
6ft... the pigeon? Well, there nearly was a dog in the shot. I am assuming you mean it is a bit clichéd. Let me know your thoughts.
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There is absolutely no tension or interaction in the shot = yawn for me.
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Dan: have you stashed it in the freezer?!
You'd have to wait a week now but I'd be interested to see a crit of the kangaroo trail pic.
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I'm more of an Armin Meiwes type of head chopper than freezing them.
Tension and interaction.A good point and one I'll take on board. Thanks.
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More of a street portrait, but a street shot nevertheless...and vertical :-)
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danieldonnelly Gruesome, to be sure, especially with his blood-soaked rag in hand. You chickened out at the last minute, but you know that. This was no happy accident.
Zisis Kardianos Nice colors and poses. The shadow throws it off kilter, but the graffiti is a nice background.
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I would love to see those two get into a fight over bud light (taste great / less filling), fall into a fountain, rip off each other's clothes, and totally make out! That would be HOT!
Short of that, I wish you hadny chopped off his toes, although I believe I already made that comment the first time I saw this.
@Daniel I am guilty as charged. I was just trying my hand at being positive and supportive. Cropping a head off after the fact almost never works. That is the kind of thing that really should be done in camera and composed accordingly. The way you did it makes the right side fall apart completely. I do like the colors and it IS nice to see some sunshine mid winter.
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@Justin. I explained it badly. No crop done on the computer. The photo is exactly as it took it with the camera.
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"@flat5: Thanks for a great tip"
that's what my moyel said!™
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@BennehBoy
- Aha, then I get your point. Thanks.
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Phil: No! It looks like part of a guide book.
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"6ft... the pigeon? Well, there nearly was a dog in the shot. I am assuming you mean it is a bit clichéd. Let me know your thoughts. "
Daniel - don't take it personally; I was just cracking wise on a generality.
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6ft - no offence taken!
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@jeff, the tm is a nice touch. Now about my royalties?
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phil_dag Following Trent Parke around, while an interesting hobby, doesn't always result in good photos.
After looking at your stream, I think I might have a set that might interest you.
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I've been going through some older snaps to see if anything stands out as my sensibilities change. Thoughts on this?
Pro: That look. The ice cream cups. Uniform background. It almost feels like it's the same guy, caught at two sperate moments in time.
Con: Wish the bottom right was tidier. Wish it was with a better camera.
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Zisis - the poses are really nice. So are the strong horizontals and verticals. What doesn't fit is the diagonal shadow which throws off the balance of light.
Phil - I think that sometimes motion blur can add to a shot, but in this case it detracts. If everything is blurred, then it might as well be out of focus...I think that this is what brings it down, since there is no obvious human subject (or human element) in the shot.
Here is a shot of a similar scene, with much better execution
Peter Eavis
Adam - Not sure why you decided to shoot from the waist up, but the composition is off. Additionally, the wall is quite busy, which takes the attention away from the two men (one of which seems to be doing nothing of interest)
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adam - for me it's a good image. Not entirely succesful beacouse of the format but what is really intriguing and the catch of the photo, is that they look like identical twins at the same time that you know they arn't.
The b&w provides the extra abstraction to merge the subjects with the background, and that is also another plus to the photo.
Rrrryan - I like Peter's photo a lot! The placement of the guy in space and in the frame is excellent and he seems like being abruptly immobilized by a sudden thought. The mooving train adds to the content of the image. The peripheral elements don't distract and look in the right place.
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adam & lucy It might have been strawberry but I bet it's vanilla ice cream. Alas.
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Bloody peak hour in here or what?!
Poagao - yours is tops mate. Love it.
DanielDonnelley- great stuff. Love it.
Zizis - the cut off toe erks me and it's a tich wonky, but the guys synchronicity is cracking. Love it.
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Ok, who are you and what have you done with the real Tony?
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Took this yesterday and liked it - latest reject!
Pros: the way the girl looks so pale and bright. I like her vacant expression and relaxed pose. The guy behind her in front of the poster, looks part of the poster and he makes a good silhouette behind her. Details like his jewellery. I like the rest of the details except the cons. The perspective and all the different kinds of light: flash, flourescent, sunlight.
Cons: the guy on the right is quite boring and the bus is very boring. Drat. Is the whole scene too ordinary?
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'fraid so. The exposure is pretty wonky too - it's very dark - the guy in pink is totally lost. , as is the man on the right. All of their feet are missing too.
I think if you'd framed the picture on the left with the upright of the bus stop, and turned a bit more towards the girl, you would have got something, plus missed out on the distracting flash reflection.
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Thanks Monkey. Pink t-shirt I wanted flattened out (knew he would be against the lit poster) but I see what you mean on the other points. I don't do many shots like this - I normally stand in one place for a while. Mainly because it gives me a chance to at least get on top of some elements. For this I was walking and stopped for a second - maybe I partly liked the picture just because it was harder for me to do.
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Often happens! :)
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Poagao - I was feelin lovey. Don't get used to it.
Frankie baby - GO the flash. Kudos. Viewed large the exposure may or may not be a little wonky but the flash on the porcelain doll is divine my friend.
I'm bummed at a) that butt ugly bag of w/e it is and b) the pink dude is a step 1/2 too far to the left. (inconsiderate of him).
It feels a little top heavy too. Good fucking crack though.
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frankiesinclair The guy in pink is freaking me out. I really shouldn't look at these photos before bed.
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Frankie, great job with the flash there, the yellow bags are just really unfortunate. I know this is anathema but you might even try cropping them out.
Really stretching on this one, I don't know:
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Frankie, I actually like the yellow bags, but hate the one by Mr. Pinko. Am not a fan of the flash but for this particular shot I fully concur with Tony - it's good, esp. seen large. The right part's a little too much imho.
Bennet, the oof young lady in the foreground and the faraway couple make it four totally unrelated layers to me - if it were only the sleeping girl and the other person stuffing his/her face (and who's rather oof too) it might be different, possibly more interesting.
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Thanks all. I have to say i was sick of the sight of those yellow bags too. No getting away from them. They're from Selfridges which is an enormous department store on Oxford street so every tenth person has one. I think half of them just go and buy a pair of knickers or a biro or biscuit to get the bag. It's like the Peter Funch effect with no photoshop.
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frankie: her gaze is piercing. agree with tony that the mr pink should be a bit more to the right. it really clumps up that space. yellow bag is OK, it forms a nice triangle with the girl and mr pink, but then it renders everything else useless.
Bennette: its not a bad shot. eye moves through the frame easily but the subjects aren't all that interesting. compositionally good tho.
here's mine:
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andokides - This looks like a hipshot which isn't likely to earn you many points from people round these parts. The people are underexposed plus the car and the overlap of a man's head behind the scarf wearing woman bother me.
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frankie: Like the flash made her almost luminescent.. Agree with the pros and cons above, although the yellow bags don't really bother me. The only thing I have to add is that the camera may should have been angled further down so as to get all of the woman and less of what's over head, but that may just be because I'm working on not aiming up so much in my own shots.
Bennet: I know you didn't have much to play with dof-wise with the low light, but it seems the scene you saw just didn't translate well as a picture because of it. I agree with andokides that the comp is nice.
andokides: The woman's expression is good, but most of the right side of her face is just a black hole. I do like the woman on the left. Also, the wonky angle of it is off-putting to me.
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Bennett: more depth of field. The blur isn't enough to isolate the subject anyway if that was your intention. I think all the people and elements around her would have worked well if you could see them clearly because the compostion has balance. But the oomph got shafted by the oof.
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frankie, color of bags aside: in the timespan of one day you took a picture, edited it, put it on flickr, added it to the pool and had it rejected.
i mean this is the nicest most constructive way, but sometimes it's good to take some time, it makes it easier to take distance from a shot and see, for instance, that it does not have enough of atmosphere, a moment and/or good composition.
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Pros: the geometry, the silhouette, the pool of light
Con: a little too minimalist?, noise from the ISO
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thanks for the comments guys. all of them are noted.
ittym2: geometry is nice, but lines are all moving towards and converging on the right side of the frame making it very heavy and unbalanced. it doesn't help that the figure is walking in that direction and the only bit of red is there as well. makes the left side of the frame redundant.
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Bennet V: Blond dispair? Blond fatigue? I dunno. I'm stretching as well, as I can't find anything in this photo that works.
andokides: Too much black and not enough material; her face might have been interesting if it weren't underexposed and out of focus. However, we do need more viewpoints from midget photographers.
ittym2: Again, just a bit late: You should have gotten the shot when he was scrambling back up from the tracks after retrieving his donut. That is why you took the shot, isn't it?
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ittym2: The diamond shape created by the roof of the train station is sets up for an interesting composition, and it leads the viewer to.....wait, what does it lead to?
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Poagao: hahaha. i'm the modern day bellocq. what can i say.
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