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All of my street images have come from either walking from A to B in NYC. Or, once a year I try to fly somewhere, alone, and just spend days walking aimlessly, and shooting.
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Alex Webb on walking:
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"It is a whole sort of ritualistic process and a part of it is also that notion that if it is not working I just have to walk more. I do believe that there is something of a disciple. Disciple art of walking and wondering. It is not that you just drive along, jump out of the car and take a picture and get back to the car. It is really about walking and feeling the situation. How do you enter the situation. Some situations you get comfortable just walking right in."
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Well NYC is different, don't you think? In NYC it is a way of life walking. Unless one is a hermit, which there most certainly are some hermit type people in NYC, you got to walk everyday just to exist.
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"It is not that you just drive along, jump out of the car and take a picture and get back to the car."
See this is not possible in NYC, especially not alone as you would get double parking tickets or spend 15 mins trying to find a parking spot in order to get out of the car to take a photo.
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yeah, nyc doesn't really count... i don't even own a car..
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Compulsive walker here, as with Michael pretty much all of my street shots are taken while walking somewhere (or nowhere in particular).
I walk in preference to catching the tube (easy choice really, even if it's raining) and probably do about 2 hours a day.
I used to walk quickly out of habit (and still do if I'm on the way to work), however I find that slowing down makes for more productive shooting, as there is more time to anticipate.
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On Saturday night Raoul, Milla, James H. and I walked from my apartment in West Hollywood up to Hollywood Blvd. On the way there we passed a small art gallery that was having an opening. Since I walk faster than anyone I know I got ahead of the pack and sat outside this gallery, just observing. There were a group of about 20 well dressed people mingling around talking and drinking. In the corner looking at a painting was a man with a bird on his shoulder.
It wasn't really my kind of situation but I knew one of the fools behind me was going to do something interesting so I just sat there and waited.
Raoul had broke out ahead of the other two. I knew he was going to something but I didn't know what. Without breaking stride he walked into the gallery and right up to the guy with the bird on his shoulder and busted off two frames while the rest of the gallery watched in bewilderment.
I just stood there laughing my ass off, having witnessed one of the most interesting meta-street scenes in my life. Something I'll never forget as long as I live...the only regret I have is that I didn't have a video camera with me...
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I know very few people here that own a car. As far as you're in a big town or city you don't need it. I do take trains and busses sometimes. But I guess that Europe is different to the States in that sense.
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@Michael_Simon: It is so nice to hear you go to other cities alone to shoot like that. I did that for the first time this summer and was wondering whether I was just being anti-social, or whether this might be something that real photographers do.
@Bryan: hilarious.
@Mr Karanka: Yeah, unfortunately [and it turns out, shortsightedly], many once-robust public transportation systems in the US were shut down to, among other things, stimulate the auto industry. I'm sure our LA citizens are familiar with this.
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I don't own a car either. I wish Vancouver was more photogenic, like Paris or NYC, and maybe LA, but there is a certain density of people here that offers enough interesting photo-ops and makes walking fun.
I have lived in large (walking) cities for about 10 years, long before I ever engaged people with street photography. Nevertheless, this time walking and riding public transportation was a preamble to this ever growing passion. I love urban life. Couldn't live without it.
My move to Chicago was the same time that I began traveling a lot, which usually means big city destinations, and again, many photo-ops. Nothing goes better with photography than travel.
Bottom line: Cars isolate whereas walking forces one to mix into unexpected social scenes which makes for good photography. While I despise cars, I can't say that I love walking per se. But, I love walking to take a picture. I only wish downtown Vancouver was more photogenic on the street.
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when you are alone, you can be selfish. You can linger without boring someone to death, you can double back, you can do whatever you want. It's peace. I think that I make the best images when I am alone and in an unfamiliar location. I look forward to being alone with a single camera/single lens and a pocket full of one kind of film.
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I sold my car three months ago and will never own one again.
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Does that work in LA? I'm always a little bit tempted when I'm out there, but then I think I would have to have a car, and then I think that's a bad idea.
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Like everything, it has it's pros and cons. I pretty much stay in the Hollywood vicinity which is very walkable for a guy like me...
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Bryan. Most big cities in the US have a car share program, though maybe LA is different with the car being all important -- kind of like Detroit. But I bet there is something. Check out Zip Cars if you need a car. My friend uses it in NYC and really likes it.
Vancouver has a non-profit called Cooperative Auto Network. I've been a member for three years. I pay maybe $20 a month, including gas. So much cheaper than owning. It comes in handy to pick up people at the airport or shopping for big items. The cars are not even junkards. CAN has Cooper Minis, hybrids, or the pick-up, if you really need to haul stuff.
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yes, philly has "philadelphia car share" and recently a competitior, flexcar opened up. great cars, very reliable, and very abundant presence in/near the city.
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I prefer to walk. You see things better, and it's no hassle to wait and shoot. Around the city I prefer the combination of public transport and feet over a bike. I don't have to worry about my feet being stolen.
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went to egypt and walked for 15 days in cairo, one or two cabs, no more, and a bus to Giza, never made it out of cairo.
(seeing the photos I took wonder if it would not have been better a trip to abu simbel with in a bus with a crowd of turist, ac, guide and all)
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My photography started to improve a lot since moving to a city where I walk..
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I agree with Michael about shooting alone. When I'm in NYC I rarely have the luxury of taking my time and shooting alone. I'm usually with people that are in a hurry to get somewhere and if I linger too long I feel like I'm holding up the show. A few weeks ago I had the city to myself and it was a completely new experience. No one to push me along or to think about as I stopped and stared off into an alleyway. I couldn't live without my car right now, I live in suburban Connecticut and I have to drive to work, but when I can park and get out on foot the dynamic changes completely.
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Recently I walked from my place in Beechwood Canyon with a directing partner down Sunset Blvd to downtown LA and then around Broadway. If you have never been to downtown LA, Broadway is something like Mexico city on some blocks. It can be something else. It took forever and my back killed by the end of the day but I did see some really interesting people. I even managed to shoot maybe 10 photographs. I'm kind of retarded with my selectiveness when shooting. 4 words are in constant use in my vocabulary. Edit through the lens.
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It can be useful to get to know your terrain, to walk a particular 'beat', to get to know the angles, the patterns of light. I have found it useful to walk in a particular setting with my camera in my bag just thinking about photographing and I have also made trips specifically to experiment with problems of exposure in particular settings in specific lights.
Literary note:
Although he hated photography, the poet Baudelaire wrote the original manifesto for 'street photography' in his essay "The Painter of Modern Times" ... which has a special section on walking, or strolling, the art or discipline of the flâneur, or stroller.
This is aspect is only one among many that Baudelaire understood so well. Among the others are the intoxicating effects of a crowd. Baudelaire calls the urban artist he describes a 'kaleidoscope equipped with consciousness' and in his journals Baudelaire speaks of the images that are his great passion.
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Almost all of my most recent photography has come out of weekly (walking) forays into unfamiliar parts of this ugly-beautiful-strange-fascinating Korean city that I've been living in for the past 8 months. I love walking; you never know what you might find around the next corner. Even if you don't get some killer photo out of the process, you get to be alone with your thoughts - something I don't always remember to make time for in the rest of my busy life.
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"For the perfect flaneur, it is an immense joy to set up house in the heart of the multitude, amid the ebb and flow. To be away from home, yet to feel oneself everywhere at home; to see the world, to be at the center of the world, yet to remain hidden from the world--such are a few of the slightest pleasures of those independent, passionate, impartial natures which the tongue can but clumsily define."
-Baudelaire
"An intoxication comes over the man who walks long and aimlessly through the streets. With each step, the walk takes on greater momentum; ever weaker grow the temptations of shops, of bistros, of smiling women, ever more irresistible the magnetism of the next street corner, of a distant mass of foliage, of a street name."
-Walter Benjamin
Exile is not a material thing, it is a spiritual thing.
All the corners of the earth are exactly the same.
And anywhere one can dream is good,
providing the place is obscure,
and the horizon is vast.
---Victor Hugo
“…Providing the place is obscure and the horizon is vast.”
When I head out for a walk there are two temptations. One is to go to a known place of perceived visual bounty. I figure we’ve all got a couple of those. The other is to drop myself off into the unknown. For some of you it’s just a matter of deciding that you’ll get off at this subway stop as opposed to that. I envy you. Just a matter of making the decision to step through those doors before they close again. Me, I live in an area of the country where everything is car culture. So much so that it’s relatively difficult to find actual pedestrians on the street. Options are limited. And yet that’s still no reason why you can’t set off down some totally random sidewalk and find something of visual stimulation.
And so for me, there’s that part where I climb behind the wheel and ask myself, “Where shall I drop myself off where I’ve never wanted to go before? Someplace I know I probably shouldn’t be but might likely be worth the risk? Someplace with fascinating lighting but I don’t know it yet since I’ve never been there.”
Yea, the ‘let’s get lost’ option is almost always the better option but I don’t always take it.
When I was younger is seemed nothing to take off and get lost. I relished it. To stroll for miles, come to that point where you’re not ever sure what you compass heading is anymore. “Jeez. Just which way IS the way back home?” And yet I found myself doing it again and again. Part of it all seems rather ridiculous. Why would we spend so many hours out of the day aimlessly wondering the streets? Don’t we have anything meaningful to do? Is there not someone out there who would love our company and yet we with our addiction to concrete and asphalt spurn them? Do we as a group care more for the stranger on the street than the comfort of a known companion?
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@Travelight said: "I find that slowing down makes for more productive shooting". Couldn't agree more. Somehow, walking slower than the rest makes you slightly "out of synch", like you're there but not part of the "act". Initially, I tended to walk faster to cover more distance and encounter more "situations", but I realized it's just the opposite. Also, when you're "in the zone" (when it happens), I noticed time passes slower and you loose track of it. It's like you're in a bubble of your own, but at the same time, you're not isolated from the reality around you. It's more like you loose yourself into the scene (man, I must sound like I'm shooting on weed or read too much Castaneda, lol !). Anyway, walking is essential to me, so much so that the very first time I felt like a "photographer" was the first time I went out in the street to take pictures, and I can't separate photography from walking
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I've always been a big walker (steady) - ever since I was allowed to leave the house by myself as a boy. I would go for a big walk by myself in the evening.
I'm not sure if it's actually enjoyment of walking or the fact that I really hate being inside for very long (possibly I'm a bit claustrophobic). Or a combination of both.
Looking back I sort of regret not taking up street-type photography earlier. I must have spent zillions of hours walking round aimlessly with nothing to show for it. Now I occasionally get a nice picture as well.
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It's yer actual Debordian (?) dérive innit:
"One of the basic situationist practices is the dérive, a technique of rapid passage through varied ambiences. Dérives involve playful-constructive behavior and awareness of psychogeographical effects, and are thus quite different from the classic notions of journey or stroll.
In a dérive one or more persons during a certain period drop their relations, their work and leisure activities, and all their other usual motives for movement and action, and let themselves be drawn by the attractions of the terrain and the encounters they find there. Chance is a less important factor in this activity than one might think: from a dérive point of view cities have psychogeographical contours, with constant currents, fixed points and vortexes that strongly discourage entry into or exit from certain zones.
But the dérive includes both this letting-go and its necessary contradiction: the domination of psychogeographical variations by the knowledge and calculation of their possibilities. In this latter regard, ecological science, despite the narrow social space to which it limits itself, provides psychogeography with abundant data."
GUY DEBORD
1958
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I do own a car (which seems to be contrary to most people in this thread), but I try to drive as little as possible. I also live in Calgary, which isn't a superb street photography city by any means. As to some comments about Europe, unfortunately most of North America has been developed in a way that car ownership is almost a necessity for efficient people travel.
Anyway I do live close to downtown, and when I go downtown I usually walk (about a half hour walk) as it's much easier than trying to park my car downtown.
I do use the car to enable myself to attend events that happen outside of Calgary or on the edge of town, like tomorrow at the vintage racing event (at the race track that doesn't have bus access) or Sunday at the vintage farm museum show (one hour outside of Calgary) which itself provides great people shots along the ilk of street photography and street portraits...
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well, NYC does count. I mean if you really want to, between the subways and busses you could eliminate a whole lot of walking. granted, you'de have to know the routes like the back of your hand to do it right....but, it could be done. But, then even the waits for bussess and subways trains, provide a wealth of shooting opportunities........esp the subways.
But yes, walking is a must to get into the zone of shooting...be it street or even nature. Popping out of a car just causes so many missed opportunities. Half the stuff I shoot on the streets of NYC you see, it happens, and it ends in seconds. Most of the time just long enough to quick check exposure/dof/iso settings focus and shoot....wouldn't even have the door of the car open in that amount of time........let alone park it.
solo shooting is best, but even when two or three photogs go out together, I find wandering off from them just kinda what happens.......cell phones keep you together easily, but out of sight of each other........ Hanging out on street corners, sitting on stand pipes are great places to be to wait for something. sometimes if I'm really in the zone, I can walk down a crowded sidewalk and just hip shoot as I'm "parting" the crowd.......don't know if I'm subconsciously seeing pics, or the camera is finding them for me, but that type of tight crowd walking/shooting is pretty rewarding sometimes.
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@You Promised..
ok, point taken.. i live a block away from a train and i can get to almost anywhere without seeing too much daylight...
but, maybe you're taking walking too literally.. or, maybe i'm not taking it literally enough.. i'm looking at it as not being in a little semi-private box while navigating the city... in my head, both photographically and socially, the MTA is the street..
regardless, if you live in the city, you're walking more than the rest of the country... (and yes, there are exceptions)
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Speaking of walking, I am thinking of moving my family to NY. I grew up on City Island in the Bronx but can probably only afford to live in Washington Heights if I want to be close to Manhattan. Any thoughts on this neighborhood?
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washington heights is manhattan... brooklyn & queens are equal or cheaper and often closer to various parts of manhattan... if the trains treat me well, i can get to midtown or downtown in under 15minutes.. i live on the brooklyn side of the east river... here.. there are subways to the left of the frame and a few to the right that run under the river + the bridges have trains.. manhattan is very accessible..
i've only been that far up manhattan a few times and it seems cool enough.. i have a photo friend that lives there and he likes it.. that said, until i can afford to live below ~70th st, i'll stay over here..
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During the mid 80's I was stationed at Mare Island Naval Base in Vallejo CA, near San Francisco. I was there for two years at the beginning of my enlistment training for my rating.
I used to bus into San Francisco and walk around the city on weekends taking pictures. Fisherman's Wharf, Broadway, Golden Gate Park...it was a great place to see walking.
Near the end of the two years I got my car down there and starting driving to/through the city. What a total buzz kill that was. The city lost all of its romance once I stopped walking through it.
Walking is the only way to absorb a city.
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@5....it may just be the dif is you're city born and lived.....I'm country born and lived, and just acquired the taste for city life the past 7 years or so.....first Philadelphia (a constant visitor) and then NYC (at first a constant visitor.....and now living here), actually not to far from you in BK...
....anyhow, the dif is, in the suburbs and much more rural areas of NJ, where I'm from, it's not so much people DON'T want to walk...it's that almost all the businesses needed for daily life are not at the next corner. My supermarket most of my life was 6-8 miles away (nobody in their right mind would walk that....would turn a 1/2 hour supermarket trip into close to 4-5 hours). Today the market is 1 BK Ave away. So, due to wherre busenesses were........driving was a neccessity (one of the reasons I moved to the city was to get away from that requirement).
anyhow, once you get in the habit of jumping into the car for everything, yeah, walking becomes a "not thought" even for pleasure......when you're in the suburbs or rural areas. Trains are nearly non-existant.......and bus service frequency is measure in hours between.......not 5 minutes like in the city....and not around the block either......it's usually a good 1/2 hour walk away just to get to the bus. Every transit trip in the country takes at least twice as long to accomplish than if you did it by car. In the city, the opposite is true.
Back to the point..........if I'm in a city bus, I still get that semi private (public) feel that I can't stop and take a pic.........try and get a BK bus driver to pull over between stops..........wrong! So, a bus is still driving, and still not so much street. Subways......yeah, that' is dif.......that is street.......very much in the nature of street. although, I must admit to a desire to get off a few subways mid stop.......some neat shit down there in the underground that we just wiz on by.
I love walking the city with my cam....typically I go for very long walks/subway outings........6 hours or so. I'm out there for the day just shooting and waiting.........waiting for that one shot that just makes the whole day worthwhile pounding my feet into the pavement.
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I just going to bump every thread I've started that hasn't received the attention I feel it deserves.
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And your point is?
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Chronic, longtime flânnerie addict here. In fact, I moved to a real city in no small part so I could sustain my habit. It was only natural to want to take my camera with me walking.
In fact, the main -- almost the only -- thing I wanted to document when I started photographing was the city. And the only way to experience the city is to be part of the crowd, to learn what Benjamin called "the art of being off-centre".
Myself, I have *never driven. Never really wanted to -- even when I lived in Calgary and Edmonton which really are atrocious walking and public transit cities. As long as I can remember I have enjoyed "street hiking" and loathed car culture. That made me quite the freak in western Canada; in Montreal it's commonplace, I love it :)
And Montréal, for the record, has a "walking culture." Maybe not quite like NYC or like in Europe, but it's still a lot more a part of the lifestyle than in any other Canadian city I have lived in.
And great thread, btw. Merci, bryanF and all the posters.
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@H.Arche: I don't have a point really. Just thought it was an interesting thread from the vault...
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This *is* a great thread. Well worth resuscitating.
And flannerie is by definition sans but, H.Arche.
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prgauthier - yeah, without purpose or pointless, I get it, but my question was about the comment, not the thread.
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The first time I ever went to LA was just after finishing film school in NYC, and I wanted to spend new years there to pass the millennium mark, so to speak. Being used to living in cities like Taipei and having just come from some time in New York, I thought I could just walk around and hail a cab when I wanted. Ha. I ended up doing a lot of walking, more even than I'd planned.
My great aunt lives in Hollywood, has been there ever since she was a bit part actress, things like being a bar girl in Citizen Kane. She's 97 and still walks around the neighborhood.
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whenever I go to LA I stay at the beverly laurel motor hotel in west hollyweird. I dont drive, but everything I need to survive is within walkin distance. The fairfax flea market, the farmers market, my favorite sushi place (Hirozen) and my favorite breakfast spot (Jan's). When people complain about LA and driving I laugh. It is one of my favorite places to walk around in the world. And the light is fantastic!
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I've never owned a car and plan never to. Smoke-sucking fart mobiles are not only unnecessary unless you are a logger, they miss everything cool outside. Waste of time.
I get from A to B via A: walking B: bicycle C: bus D: train. There is so much you can do and so much to interact with when you are not driving a tonne of killing steel.
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For me, there's walking, and then there's walking. Walking around the city shooting pictures, going from point a to point b via my legs, well that's alright, it certainly beats driving.
But walking, going out in the evening and slowly drifting through my neighborhood, meditating as I walk, savoring the way ordinary things appear in twilight, talking things over with my creator, now that's something else entirely. It's a field trip to another realm. The fragrances of wood burning in hearths, blossoms in summertime, even fabric softener from laundry loads drying, take on an exotic color in the cool air of evening. When I'm there, I marvel that so many evenings are frittered away on TV and the internet, why the whole city's not out every evening just gawking in wonder at it. I often feel that if I could distill the experience of a contemplative evening stroll into an elixir and sell it, the world would beat a path to my door. But I can't do that, and if I could you wouldn't need to buy it from me, because you can always have the same experience yourself for free.
If I had unlimited photographic powers, this is what I would photograph, ordinary suburbs in twilight, such that you would have pangs of recognition, nostalgia, and longing when you looked at them. And then you would go out your door and start winding your way through your neighborhood, trying to find the hidden treasure yourself.
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Why would you need unlimited photographic powers? You've got the emotional link with the subject matter and something to communicate so just go for it. Sounds like a nice project and you just wrote your artists statement. .
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walking. natural pace. our perception is made for and by it, on the long run. sometimes it´s nice to accelerate, but hey, swoosh, moment gone.
it´s all about time, time we allow impressions to become part of our known world. actually i like them both, the adrenalin of 220 km/h, the just be, don´t think, and the meditative speed and open mind at 3 to 5.
but what i really like is to sit, next to lay.
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I like to sit next to food.
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Justin,
if numbers are any indicator, you've got me beat. Sitting next to food has much more support than contemplative evening strolling. I need to get over all that mystical hoo hah and start watching sports television.
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it is making me fat and unattractive though.
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stupid yous, it´s gonna make you happy!
www.fritolay.com/lays/index.html
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@Justin
"When people complain about LA and driving I laugh."
That's because you don't live here. Try walking from the beach to downtown, then up to Hollywood, or out to the valley. See how much you're laughing then.
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yeah that makes sense. Try driving to the moon.
My point was LA has walk around neighborhoods like west hollywood or Los feliz where you can actually live and not drive and not want for not driving. What is this, "jump down justin's fucking throat day"?
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^^ You have an uncanny parallel to a whackamole, FWIW.
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i do most of my going from a to b on bike, sometimes on foot. on occasion i take public transport or get a ride in a car.
because i don't do the last two that often i always get inspired to take shots there. i am not sure they are any better, but at that time i like taking them because to me they are something new, even if to others they might be more cliches.
i think every form of transport somehow demands another kind of picture taken. i am not a great landscape photographer, but the ones i've taken that i like have an unreasonable big part taken from a car. i like pictures of things on the floor, almost all of those are taken while i was on foot.
so what's the best? i don't know. but walking is definitely the easiest!
oh and i don;t really wan to get into this debate, but:
www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=XN...
it is possible (pedal power)
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Driving is how you get to places you want to walk round. It's how you find them in the first place too. I like walking but I would go nuts if all I had was what is in walking distance. I don't live in a city (but have done) or I would feel differently. But then again, even Streatham could get boring. . .
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I never thought about it before, but I think walking is the reason I turned to street photography. I was in a foreign country and didn't know anybody or speak the language. So I just walked around and explored. I bought a DSLR and taking pictures of the people I came across seemed natural. If I wasn't in Korea I would probably have taken boring landscapes and eventually have lost interest in photography.
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@justin
Every city has walkaround neighbourhoods; that's pretty obvious. The point is that if you want to see (and photograph) Los Angeles as a city you're gonna have to get in a car sooner or later. Otherwise you're potentially one of those a hyper-local hipsters who thinks that anything outside Venice/Silverlake/Hollywood/Los Feliz/wherever you happen to live is irrelevant. There are plenty of those people here.
And I believe Jump Down Fucking Justin's Throat Day is actually next Tuesday. We should have a party.
Posted 22 months ago.
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"Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
Originally posted 22 months ago.
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justinsdisgustin (a group admin) edited this topic 22 months ago.
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Electric wheelchairs for the win!
Posted 22 months ago.
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there's too much walking going on. just pick a spot and wait for all the pieces to fall into place then press the button.
Posted 22 months ago.
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"Justin has invited us to have dinner with his family tonight, dear. I would suggest avoiding the mashed potatoes."
Posted 22 months ago.
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I would suggest politely passing on the kilbasa too.
Posted 22 months ago.
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