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Well, "never" is so....absolute, that it makes your post just plain wrong. There are other subjects, of course, including grandparents and even dogs. Even if there is an abundance of females and children, that hardly makes it sexist. We will gladly take more photographs of men. Perhaps you could consider submitting some, except that you too seem to have an (over)abundance of (naked) women as subjects. Hmmm, sexist?
Perhaps the more accurate statements you seek are that la familia abrazada attracts more male photographs AND that North Korean Porn is an attention seeker with no real name. Say, a troll?
Just a thought or two...
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I think this group is all but sexist.
and how photos of kids could be ?
weird...
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Exactly.
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It comes down to what gets submitted. So far relatively few photos of men have been good enough to get into the pool. As far as the OP, I cant really recall any photos of men from him/her. is the OP sexist or just trying to troll? In fact, the few photos from him/her with women ate what I would say are more pornographic, or approaching that end of the spectrum.
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It is an interesting observation, regardless of who it came from or why. It's been noticed in wider circles that not many women photographers publish photos of their husbands. Sally Mann just did, and Kate Hutchinson in Montreal recently did a fascinating series inspired by male Greats' nude photographs of their wives. The absence of fathers was also noted in the introduction to a collection of women photographers' photos of their kids.
And now I am off to look through my archives for pictures of my husband...
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Thanks for contributing these photos, cinnamon gurl. Jinju and I have had discussions in the past about how to include ourselves in our family related photography projects. It's a difficult thing to do well, unfortunately, and my wife rarely picks up my camera. Personally I think self-portraits and meta shots get old and are cheesy. There must be another way to do it though it's unclear to me, except maybe by giving my kids a camera, which they may get for their second birthdays.
I recently watched the most recent Sally Mann documentary. It was fantastic. It showed her taking portraits of her husband. Maybe we can get her to submit them to LFA.
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Yeah, I haven't had any luck including myself either.
As for Sally Mann's photos, you can see them here: jmcolberg.com/weblog/2009/08/sally_mann_proud_flesh.html. I loved what she wrote almost as much as the photographs.
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Wait a second folks, I think this is a joke...
Posted 32 months ago.
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www.flickr.com/photos/eamon/
Exhibit A:
www.flickr.com/photos/eamon/2901703445/
Exhibit B:
www.flickr.com/photos/northkoreanporn/3922479660/
;)
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mando.alvarez edited this topic 32 months ago.
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I think you may be right- an little while back it occurred to me that this image seemed very familiar, and I was certain I recognised her from Eamon's stream. I couldn't find the image I was thinking of though.
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朝鲜色情 [deleted] says:
I'm playing devils advocate, LFA is my primary source for inspiration.
Portraying 'family' life using film is difficult. It's personal and as a result near impossible to mask the sex of the one holding the camera. My 'family' also carries a camera and we often photograph the same scenes, the resulting images leave no doubt who's the boy and who's the girl. I'm not too interested whether or not there is a sexist issue. To me it's just different.
The initial post is a fragment of an email sent to me discussing this group, I acknowledge that they may be a valid point and though it would be interesting to share it as a thought for discussion.
Surprisingly I got back something a lot more valuable, constructive criticism from two photographers I admire.
Originally posted 32 months ago.
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朝鲜色情 edited this topic 32 months ago.
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its a good question to raise NKP, for sure we need more balance, but short of actively inviting those photos, and that takes time, it wont happen unless more people submit those kinds of photos.
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why more balance? does this group have a certain normative agenda? why not make the observation (which is interesting in itself) and see what happens next? There are probably many more biasses in this group, and you cannot control for them either. just observe and try to realise it is happening thats enough.
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Interesting, the soap opera drama.
Thanks for clarifying, NKP. I apologize for my harsh initial response though the "sexist" remark irked me, especially since it dropped like a bomb out of nowhere. It seems like it could have been relayed in a manner that didn't include finger pointing, even if the female/child criticism is valid. But moving on...
While admins have final say in curation, every member has a role in how the group functions. Whether the pool inspires or lacks inspiration, all members should feel free to invite other photographers that inspire you with their family photography. Just as Jinju says, I would like a more balanced pool. To do that, it is as much of our job as it is yours. So please go out and do some inviting.
edit: For the person or people who criticize in the shadows, please engage the group and show us the kind of photographs that we're missing.
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Are all the admins men? If so, it might be a thought to bring in a woman to help... it would be interesting to see if that changed anything. Just a thought.
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It's an interesting point. A female admin might change things a bit, but not as much as more female contributors.
Personally, my lfa shots are all (or almost all) of one female - my daughter. My partner doesn't like having her picture taken, so there are very few of her. Mirror shots tend to be a bit naff (in my experience), so there are none of me. I shoot what's left. Either that or it would just be the furniture...
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I would certainly be open to a femal admin but we need someone who shoots a lot of family stuff. Any ideas?
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sweet distin
for the record, my bf doesn't like having his pic taken. :^( I actually prefer photographing my brothers family anyway.
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we could maybe do something like a guest moderator for 2 weeks or a month and have them manage the queue for that time being. I dont know, its just an idea we should discuss as admins.
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@p_vision has some more thoughts on this in a recent blog post...
peripheralvision.ca/blog/2010/08/12/a-post-ive-been-think...
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Michael D. Brown [deleted] says:
Cheers for the heads up Bryan, I enjoyed that.
On the subject of sucessful self portraits in this context, I've always thought Pierluigi Riccio manages to pull it off in an interesting and touching way. Good to see he's got some pictures in the pool.
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Bryan, thanks for sharing.
First, let me say that I would completely support another admin or two who are women. I, however, don't believe it will make much difference unless those people are proactive in inviting images to the group. As Martin said, it's really up to the contributors who make the pool. To change this, it will require changing photography, as Kate and many of us hope. Adding some fresh blood is also important given that the original admins have been sidelined by our parental duties. Over here, we not only change film -- we also change diapers!
As I get older, and now that I'm a dad, I realize that as men and women we really do fall into our roles, try as we may not want to. I'm not sure if that is a learned societal thing or one of DNA, but it's something that has become more apparent to me, speaking as a near full-time dad raising two daughters.
I think I can speak for the other admins and say that we are open to new ideas and new pictures but if they are not good, then they will not be added to the pool. For what it's worth: I still don't fin p_visions images of her husband that compelling, but maybe that's just us. And, while I will happily admit to liking pictures with little drama, there still has to be something that draws in the viewer, be it the composition, the subject's character or a certain je ne sais quoi.
Also, can someone (p_vision?) please explain the following from p_vision's blog post. She says:
And honestly? I have to say the ones that get in are the ones that I generally find to be a bit cheesy, overly sentimental, or plainly humourous. Which is odd since the pool itself is not cheesy or overly sentimental.
The real problem with the group, if there is one, is that there are not many photographers on Flickr who concentrate or excel at taking good family photos. If there are, would someone please make a new thread with suggested photosteams? Thanks. And, if you're a woman and want to be an admin, please get in touch with me. We will be selective, however. It would be nice to have someone who has participated here and is successful either with their own photography or editing other people's work.
Thanks for trying to make our la familia better everyone.
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FYI - I wasn't making any judgement on the pool or the issue, just found the article through Twitter and figured I'd give you a heads up.
Family and friends are tough to photograph in interesting ways.
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