ginandtonique 3:12pm, 30 June 2009
I have a small Toyo View 8x10 G arriving from the bay any day now..

My plan is to use it mostly to shoot architectural stuff, but also a portrait every now and then.

Could you guys suggest some lenses that aren't _too expensive_? I wanna get a hang of it before I pour more money into this experiment.

(It is also of interest if the WA lenses needs the non-flat lensboard)

Also, have anyone of you made your own lens boards for Toyo cameras?
Michael Costolo 9 years ago
I have a small Toyo View 8x10 G arriving from the bay any day now..


How did you find a small one?
quixotic territory [deleted] 9 years ago
A "normal" lens for 8x10 is about 325mm, and it is fairly easy to find lenses around that size to cover 8x10. You'll be surprised how much you use the normal focal length.

It gets harder to find lenses to cover 8x10 the smaller you go, and by the time you get what would be considered a decent wide angle the pickings are rather slim.

Check out keh.com for deals on reasonable cost lenses. They don't have any cameras for 8x10 right now, but they do have a number of lenses that will work.
Joseph Burke 9 years ago
I agree with a "normal" lens..........I find a 360 or 420 mm to be perfect for portraits but again even 300 works very well. I really like my Fuji L 420 mm f/8 and it is among my sharpest lenses and fabulous for portraits...did I mention sharp..........it's that sharp.......OTOH my worst lens of all time was a 480 mm f/9 APO Nikkor........garbage......
BruceBruceBruce 9 years ago
I have a 240mm Symmar-S so its just a bit wider than 'normal'... however for 10x8 I prefer this... however the circle of coverage only just covers 10x8 so basically any movements are out of the question...
If you plan to be using quite a lot of movement for the architectural stuff then i'd say just go for a 'normal' 300mm lens, as there are plenty about for good prices with more than enough movement...
xtol7 9 years ago
Architecture usually means a wide lens with a large image circle, but most lenses in that category are expensive. A 300mm like a Symmar-S or a Sironar N in a Copal #3 shutter should be fairly inexpensive (~$300) if you hunt a bit. There's not a huge demand for these bulky studio lenses, but they're fast and sharp (if not light). A 14" Commercial Ektar is also a decent choice for around $350 these days.

On the wider side, a 190mm Wide field Ektar is a good value as long as you can get by without much in the way of movements. I've also got a 240mm Symmar-S--very nice and inexpensive moderate wideangle.
Michael Costolo 9 years ago
If you're going with a 300mm in a Copal 3 shutter, be prepared to shell out big bucks for those 100mm+ diameter filters.

Fujinon lenses tend to be more affordable than their Schneider or Rodenstock counterparts. And they're fantastic lenses. Check B&H or KEH for used ones.

Lens boards for Toyos are about $55 at B&H. I have yet to find them used. They're probably not particularly easy to make because of the lip all around (they're molded aluminum).
For portraits you want something not too short. 14" Commercial -Ektar perhaps, or something longer. For architecture, anything modern from the 150mm Super-Symmar, 155mm Grandagon, 165mm Super-Angulon, etc. onwards comes to mind. Alternatively, one of those old coated 158mm W.A. Raptar lenses might even do it for you as well.

Having never played with a Toyo, I'm not 100% sure which shape the Toyo lens board is: I think like a Linhof/Wista, right? In that case, I've previously just cut out a piece of PVC and used black felt as a light trap. But, you're inundated with 19$ generic boards "Made in China", on the Bay.....I've been very happy with those actually.
Michael Costolo 9 years ago
The Toyo 8x10 uses the same lensboards as the 45C. They're 158mm and they have a molded lip on all edges.
Ben Syverson 9 years ago
Check out the 210mm Angulon (not Super Angulon). It's Copal 1, small and light, yet has a large image circle and wide view. It should be great for architecture.
Digital Is So Yesterday, Darling Posted 9 years ago. Edited by Digital Is So Yesterday, Darling (member) 9 years ago
....just a bit of a caveat about the Angulons for architecture. They have a bit of field curvature there, if you're a stickler for super straight lines. With the 210mm you should normally be ok, as that isn't super wide for 8x10, - for landscape use you wouldn't even know it -, but since you're likely to use movements a fair bit, you end up using the edge of the field. Nothing major and I guess could say the same about my W.A. Raptar suggestion, or indeed any double Gauss design. Just a thought. Also, although the lens itself is not big, they came in Compound, or Compur 3 shutters, which aren't small.....I had a 165mm version in an oversized Ilex shutter once and even that was a beast. :)
Ben Syverson 9 years ago
Honestly, 8x10 is not a good format for architecture. 4x5 is the ideal format for that. The lenses will be cheaper and have more coverage in 4x5. Any old $150 90mm f/8 beater will work.
John Falkenstine 9 years ago
You will put yourself into a failure mode with such a large camera and not even understanding how these lenses work with coverage of a certain film sheet size. I recommend using the camera with a shorter lens and doing some thorough reading, and also making sure that you have a tripod that can hold this thing steady. ($$$)There are some older books out there, such as "view camera technique" that really need to be read before you will get effective results. I also recommend some older landscape photography books from David Muench ca. 2000, in which he made full size copies of his large format images, then listed the lens size in a glossary in the back. There are also some netsites for large format cameras which contains manuals, calculators, slide rules, etc. which can be downloaded free as Acrobat Files, or purchased at a reasonable price.
The John Waller 5 years ago
Ben, my major concern here is your evaluation that 8x10 is a failure in the architecture realm - false. If anything its better! It allows you the flexibility to do much larger scale work and not suffer from resolution and impefections that may be MORE noticeable in smaller format lenses. Its a matter of amptitude vs. altitude. Take into consideration digital images - we shoot in raw with large megapixels so we can make useful images in smaller formats for consuming in different venues. Large format at 8x10 is exactly that - allows us to make smaller finer images w/o any effort. 8x10 is perfect for great quality at 1/2 the size that is supperior to native size of 4x5. ding ding ding! Ah HA!
mat4226 Posted 5 years ago. Edited by mat4226 (member) 5 years ago
zPRIME:

In the context of OP's question I don't think Ben Syverson:was calling 8x10 a failure. The OP was asking for cheap wide lenses for 8x10, and Ben was merely stating that for the same price, there are plenty more 4x5 lenses that will cover.

As an avid 8x10 shooter, I can attest that GOOD wide lenses for architecture capable of covering adequately are not cheap. There are some that cover stopped most of the way down, but will be poor performers when heavy movements are applied. And if the OP plans on doing architecture work with a wide lens, he's probably going to want enough movements for generous front rise, and maybe even a little tilt.

With that said, an affordable wide angle that covers 8x10 well is the Fujinon W 250mm f/6.7. They're light, portable, and very sharp. If you want a bit wider, my all-time favorite 8x10 wide is the Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6 (older model w/ writing on inside barrel). Another cheap, sharp lens that performs well outside its class, but doesn't allow for many movements at infinity focus.
vinnywalsh.com 5 years ago
8x10 is all the rage right now but everyone seems to want to "not spend much money" nor have experience with smaller formats. There is nothing cheap about 8x10.
easyaction Posted 5 years ago. Edited by easyaction (member) 5 years ago

cheap is a relative concept...
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DrTang 5 years ago
12" or 14" Commercial Ektar


159 f12 Wollensak for W/A


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