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Any links?
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And what about the lens, please?
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Any more news or info for this GDR4 camera ?
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Hi HamishT,
Please don't take this the wrong way, but how exactly did you come about this info? Your not one of the usuals that Ricoh approaches with their new stuff.
The rumour of a GRD4 coming out in the second half of this year has been about publicly since around January this year and follows the 2 year turnover cycle of the GRD we've seen from Ricoh thus far. Its not a hard stretch to propose a date in the 2nd half of this year.
Just making sure we're not being trolled, not trying to offend.
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make it a digital GR1V and ricoh has another winner
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The first GRD (in B&W mode) was the digital GR1v imho...
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hotswank edited this topic 9 months ago.
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There I was, all excited that a new version may have been announced. As much as I enjoy rumours I'll wait for the official announcement.
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Bad news for me.... as I only recently got my GRDIII.... hehehe. Oh well, it happens. :)
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links?! plz!!!
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Big disappointment for me at least. I was really hoping that Ricoh would bump up the sensor size in the latest GRD. It can be done. The distance between the sensor and the front lens element in the X100 (APS-C) is only a few millimeters longer than the distance between the film plane and the front element of the original Ricoh GR film camera.
Ricoh, make the lens telescope more if you have to but for god's sake put a bigger sensor in the GRD so we can have shallow DOF and tonal range closer to what the film models had 25 years ago!
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I'd still be happy if they just put in in body stabilization on the next GRD, sensor like on the Canon S95. that's it.
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> maitani1 says
make it a digital GR1V and ricoh has another winner
maitani1, that's always been my fantasy, too.
> Chad Wadsworth
Big disappointment for me at least. I was really hoping that Ricoh would bump up the sensor size
Chad, why are you disappointed? There's no announcement or even rumour as to the size. Has a rumour-based message beed removed?
In reality, larger sensor aside, I'd like the GRD I with better colour and faster RAW:
GRD I 's B&W handling, similar (or better colour) to the GRDIII and phase detect AF as fast as the original GR1v. RAW speeds as in the GRDIII .
No other changes. Certainly no extra knobs or 'useful functions'. Simplicity.
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@ Crossbar - Yes, there was a rumor posted here, now removed. Let's just say I'm disappointed in the rumor ;)
If it ever wants to compare favorably with the original film model, this camera needs a large sensor - period.
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>Chad Wadsworth
If it ever wants to compare favorably with the original film model, this camera needs a large sensor - period.
I agree but strangely there are people who are quite opposed to that idea.
Anyway now I know what the OP was referring which lends some credence to the story.
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I agree but strangely there are people who are quite opposed to that idea.
I prefer more, not less, DOF, in a camera of this kind. So small sensors are just dandy, as they allow for comparatively easy scale focus shooting and wider apertures. But better dynamic range would be nice...
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> kukkurovaca
I prefer more, not less, DOF, in a camera of this kind. So small sensors are just dandy, as they allow for comparatively easy scale focus shooting and wider apertures. But better dynamic range would be nice...
I guess then that you use the GRD for street photography. That is the user group who usually asks for long DOF. Of course, if the GRD had rocket fast AF then it could still be used for that kind of photography even with a large sensor. But the large sensor wont happen without a new kind of sensor and/or a body redesign. But in the meantime I just hope they don't go for a CMOS.
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Crossbar Aloha edited this topic 9 months ago.
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I guess then that you use the GRD for street photography. That is the user group who usually asks for long DOF. Of course, if the GRD had rocket fast AF then it could still be used for that kind of photography even with a large sensor.
Not always, but some. Also, I vastly prefer scale focus to AF for the kinds of situation that I want scale focus. There are a couple of reasons for this:
* No matter how fast your AF is, preset focus is faster
* AF inherently requires more babysitting/attention. AF systems don't always get it right, and of course it's quite easy to mess up AF if you don't pay attention to your settings and where you're pointing the camera.
The former condition is obviously a bigger deal with with street photography than other kinds. But the latter applies generally. For example, I often hold the GRD over my head for perspective reasons (more pocketable than my view camera), and when I'm doing that, I like to be able to concentrate on keeping the camera in the ballpark of level, and to be able to forget about focus. ; )
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>kukkurovaca
I vastly prefer scale focus to AF for the kinds of situation that I want scale focus.
I get your point. But there is one drawback to a small sensor with regards DOF – and that is control. When photographers used 35mm they could choose a suitable DOF by choosing an aperture. In that sense they could make the camera work in a wider variety of ways. Given a small sensor you only have deep DOF. Larger sensor is more flexible and within given aperture/shutterspeed limits is more useful.
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Crossbar Aloha edited this topic 9 months ago.
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some new info here:
photorumors.com/2011/09/12/this-is-the-ricoh-gr-digital-4...
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- If those spec's are correct, then they'd added another useless gimmick. The ND Filter.
I can understand the ND filter on a APSC or FF sensor, but on a 1/1.7 sensor it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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>Oli_005 says:
> I can understand the ND filter on a APSC or FF sensor,
> but on a 1/1.7 sensor it doesn't make a lot of sense.
The GRD already has one that is automatic in full auto mode. Now it has one that can be set manually.
It helps control the aperture in bright sun. A wider aperture can then be selected that is closer to the lens' optimum f-stop of f5.6.
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Ah./ I've never used the GRD3 in auto, so never knew.
P.S. Weren't we meant to see the GRDIV today? Sounds like another BS rumor that just fell flat on its ass.
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I spoke to soon. Its just been listed on DPreview. Anyone for a white one? Hahaha.
www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11091520ricohGRD4announced.asp
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>Oli_005
on closer inspection I think the ND information in the initial rumour is a red herring. ND looks like it works the same way the GRD I.
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just shot first frames on the GRD4, they look great, see my set. not sure how to upload dng files here, happy to share them for people to check out
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i'm in tokyo right now, and can't find one anywhere, not even a display model to try (lots of advertising, though). drat you and your company contacts, hamish. ;-)
it's all good. i think i'm in a good position to pick up a used GRD3, anyways, with the imminent arrival of the GRD4. we'll see. also very tempted by a couple of the new GX modules (leica mount, anyone?). or a cheap sigma. or an original GR1. so many goodies, so little cash. should i sell my old pentax k10 while i'm here...?
BTW, if anybody has considered the fuji x100, i saw 22 used models on a shelf at map camera in shinjuku. 22! this suggests that the focus issues really do make this one a dud. either that, or tokyo camera buyers only want this month's model. but i suspect it's the former.
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I think the GR (any model, incl film ones) have been a great success. I started with the first film version, the GR1 and currenlty have the GRDIII.
I'm having a re-vamp of my gear. My Canon G11 was sold at the weekend and next to go are my Fuji F30 and sadly my GRDIII. I'm in the middle of taking pix of them for my ads at the moment.
Anyway, I'm not sure that I'll be getting the new version (famous last words). I have my Epson RD1 and Fuji X100 as my main shooters and a number of film compacts.
Had a play witt he GXR this weekend and thought it was pretty ugly really even though it was a kind of beefed-up version of the GRDs. I'm sure the new GRD will be just as popular as the rest of the range.
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