Flickr Ideas / Discuss

Planet Pixel says:

I get what you're saying, but it just goes to remind me... When new businesses start, there are those that have a lot of attitude and are cool and hip. If those businesses become popular, the politically correct, over-sensitive, let's make things a little nicer, feeling starts to set in; slowly taking all the silly attitude stuff out of the very business that became popular because of it.

I'm not saying I don't understand what you're saying, but I'm fascinated that as the masses descend on a business, they suddenly become sensitive to the smallest details; things they wouldn't think twice about in their own daily lives on the street.

Are we all that concerned over something so small?
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

Multitude says:

I´m totally of the same mind as you are. To be honest, i never thought i would post a request like that ever in my life. As you say it´s just a little thing and totally unimportant at all.

To answer to your comment. A business starts small and doesn´t have much to worry about - exept the own survival. It´s like a teen "living la vita loca". As more and more users start to use it, the responsibility starts to build up. All of a sudden you are a Dad with some childes and have lots of things to consider. Is smoking really a good thing to do in front of my kids? Can i go out every weekend and get drunk with my friends anymore? Even the Blow-up Sexdoll, hanging from the ceiling, that was such a cool decoration for all the crazy partys in college has to move ;-)

The outcome may be some strang plasticworld thing like Microsoft. It also might be some grown and great place like wikipedia...

:-)
Originally posted 61 months ago. (permalink)
Multitude edited this topic 61 months ago.

Brock    says:

A few people commented on that graphic when that version of Organisr went live. After the initial couple, though, no-one else complained so I guess they left it...

Just for historical interest, like.
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

Todd Kravos    says:

As for the bomb thingy, I personally could take it or leave it.
I do think that the organizer could be slightly quicker without that element.

What'd be cooler? Not having to drag items down to the 'findr bar'
when you want them discarded from the batch.

A suggestion:
Add a tiny "X" icon overlayed on each image while it's in the 'batch area' to allow a nicer (and quicker) way to discard singular images from the 'batch area' Clicking the "X" would "grey out" the image making it "discarded" but not toss it out of the batch. Conversely, if you wanted to put an image back in the batch you could very easily do so by clicking on a different overlayed icon that appears when the "X" is clicked (think a "checkmark" or "+' whatever)

In a perfect world:
Having the ability to drag multiple images from the 'batch area' down to the 'findr bar' for discarding would be cool since Shift+click and/or CTRL+Click does not work in the 'batch area' like it works in the 'findr bar'

*le sigh*
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Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

Multitude says:

@Todd Kravos

good idea! Also make the overlay only visible when the mouse is over the thumb (otherwise it could get in the way of a perceptive sorting)
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

FlyButtafly    says:

I have been wishing for a way to multiple-select images to drag to the findr for removal, ever since I started using the "new" organizr.
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

_mpd_ [deleted] says:

Isn't it just a puffy little cloud of smoke?

It's not like it's a mushroom cloud or anything...
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

Multitude says:

maybe you should visit a eye doctor? ;-)




Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

mdavidford    says:

Oh yes please - being able to deselect images within a batch would be great - really useful for tagging a bunch of say, ten images where, eight need tag A, a (different) eight need tag B, another seven need tag C, and so on. Having to delete them from the batch and then scroll through the findr bar to grab them back again can be a real fiddle.
Originally posted 61 months ago. (permalink)
mdavidford edited this topic 61 months ago.

Todd Kravos    says:

oh yeah. your situation makes me think a little more that there could be an area between the 'findr bar' and the 'batch area' eg: a "sandbox" or some such to allow for a 'staging area' to prevent the re-grabbing conundrum.
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

aleeshka    says:

FlyButtafly says:
"I have been wishing for a way to multiple-select images to drag to the findr for removal, ever since I started using the "new" organizr."

me too! the ability to select multiple images (without screening by tags or other criteria) would be great.
Posted 61 months ago. (permalink)

hummeline    says:

I wanted to bump this to the top, since it's been niggling at me for a while. Would it be possible to eliminate the bomb imagery? It just makes me feel uncomfortable -- but that may be because I've immersed myself in studying the effects of the bomb. Pretty please?

Thanks!
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

Rippie: Contra Censura!    says:

i complained about this the day it was active and everyone thought i was being "too sensitive."

honestly, i don't find much humor in mushroom clouds used for interface on a supposedly family friendly site.

it's tasteless, and one of the things i dislike most about flickr.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

ratsj    says:

Why can't they just change it to an HDR sun setting gently, with kittens and panda cubs frolicking in the foreground? Fade to black.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

hoktar    says:

The only thing I would complain about it is that it just looks cheap and doesn't fit the clean and clar design of flickr.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

Flet©h says:

OK - Someone needs to let me know where you can see this thing. I can honestly say I have never seen a mushroom cloud on flickr.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

hoktar    says:

Go to the organizr and delete an image or remove it from an album.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

RubyMae    says:

It happens in Organizr when you drag an image from the map or a set onto the findr bar to remove it from the map or the set.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

Arty Smokes (deaf mute) says:

Lolocaust.
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

Flet©h says:

Wow - Ive done those actions loads of times and never noticed that before.

Maybe I'm desensitised to violent images due to news reports and video games that are the scurge of society.

Or maybe it's just a silly cartoon that adds a lighthearted touch to a boring action. Next you be asking that Tom and Jerry cartoons are banned as they promote cruelty to animals.
Originally posted 32 months ago. (permalink)
Flet©h edited this topic 32 months ago.

San Diego Shooter    says:

hummeline maybe you can add Flickr to your research?
Posted 32 months ago. (permalink)

heet_myser    says:

"Are we all that concerned over something so small? "

I'm concerned that it looks stupid. Either update the damn thing and make it look professional, or ditch it for something with some class. I'm always unpleasantly surprised when I see that graphic upon removing an image from a set.
Posted 23 months ago. (permalink)

FlyButtafly    says:

Either update the damn thing and make it look professional, or ditch it for something with some class.

It always makes me sad when people cry out to make Flickr more "professional".

I miss the good ol' days of the "ho ho ho hats" and TLAP day... and when pie ruled the threads. Not that there wasn't massive protests back then... *sigh* I miss the original Spirit of Flickr™.
Originally posted 23 months ago. (permalink)
FlyButtafly (a group admin) edited this topic 23 months ago.

J e n s    says:

I've always found the bomb animation to be out of place. Whether or not you want to call it "professional", flickr's appearance is one of clean whiteness. The animation does not fit in there and it's also not really humorous, particularly as it looks too realistic to be from a Roadrunner vs. Coyote cartoon.

Also, given flickr's tries to sanitise user content so it is compatible with a worldwide audience of very different morals, I find using a bomb animation questionable.


On another note, being able to multi-select images for removal would be very welcome. I've spent some good time to erase images that I had mistakenly dropped into a set. Sure, my fault, but why make me suffer needlessly. Or maybe I deserve it ;)
Posted 23 months ago. (permalink)

Eli the Bearded    says:

My main complaint with it is that the animation is slow and blocks me from doing other stuff.
Posted 23 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry v2 says:

J e n s (back but slow)
"On another note, being able to multi-select images for removal would be very welcome."

This is available.

If you want to remove images from your photostream (delete them permanently), you can drag as many images as you want into the batch operations area and click "delete."

If you want to remove several images from a set, first open that set in Organizr, then CTRL+click on as many images as you want. They're removed. (It's actually faster than using CTRL+click to select them and then clicking "delete.")
Posted 23 months ago. (permalink)

kawanet    says:

Hello, I am a Flickr lover
except for the a-bomb image l.yimg.com/g/images/nuke.gif on Organizr.

As a Japanese, it just evokes the days in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I hope it changed until the August 6th. Two weeks is enough to change it?
Note there are many flickr customers who live in countires bombed or being bombed.

There are alternative ways to do removing photos without seeing it.
This is, however, the standard way provided officialy.
I won't think the bombing is a part of spirits of Yahoo.


Originally posted 23 months ago. (permalink)
kawanet edited this topic 23 months ago.

decembre    says:

+1...and yes i had never think about that before... thank you!
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

gwennie2006    says:

+1
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

ready2go [redE1] says:

+1-2(also)
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

AdobeHelper says:

+1 bombs offend people! duh!
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Patrick Costello    says:

Posting the same thing from three of your accounts is unnecessary.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

U.S. Marines says:

+1 the bomb is inappropriate, really it is.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

.canelson. says:

+1. Since day one I think that animation is out of place. Never stop to think if it´s inappropriate or harmful. I just think it doesn´t mix with the look and feel of the site.

As someone said on the firsts comments, a cloud of smoke (like Macs do) would be better.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Patrick Costello    says:

So that's four of your accounts now. Do you honestly think that staff make development decisions based on some totting up process? If I make ten sock puppet accounts and vote against does that mean this idea will be buried forever?
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Lú_    says:

I'm going to request that people please not use multiple accounts to create a false impression of more support for an idea. This isn't a voting forum anyway - it's the quality of an idea, the possibility of implementation, and how it fits into current development plans that will matter to staff, not how many "votes" a suggestion gets.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
Lú_ edited this topic 22 months ago.

J e n s    says:

Thanks CameraFry - this should be added to www.flickr.com/help/organizr/ and during ctrl+click there is no feedback on what is going on: Delete from set? Permanent? But now I know, thanks - very helpful. BTW, with my Firefox, they instantly disappear. No chance for multiselect. Worth a new topic?
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

kawanet    says:

Flickr is a-bombing still in the August 6. I feel sad.
kawanet.blogspot.com/2010/08/flickr-is-still-bombing-on-o...
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
kawanet edited this topic 22 months ago.

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

Why jump to a Nuke connection? Looks like a minor bit of napalm incineration of an unwanted jpeg. Seems to be harmless fun. Cool, if you ask me.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
personne.de.chandigarh edited this topic 22 months ago.

Ange Halle    says:

Inappropriate. I have never seen this bomb icon in Flickr before, except the image here in the thread, and feel it is totally and clearly inappropriate, even as a "joke". I want to convey my solidarity to the Japanese, and other users, who have suffered from bombings too.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
Ange Halle edited this topic 22 months ago.

loupiote (Old Skool)    says:

please change it to a cluster bomb...mhhh no, the people of vietnam and laos could be offended.

why not an "pooof" animation where the thing disappears in a cloud of smoke?
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Patrick Costello    says:

A cloud of smoke? What about victims of house fires?
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

Wouldn't the world be a boring place without a Kaboom once in a while? Just asking.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Bonnetmaker    says:

Have some respect for . I agree to kawanet.

I think, the A-Bomb should be replaced by something funnier. The bomb may be a very funny little thing in the US, but perhaps it is not so funny in Japan. I can imagine, that there are various "Kabooms", which could replace the A-Bomb. Some of these may be "something so small" in Hiroshima, but they would trigger furious responses in the US.

Or how about flushing pics in a toilet? Very funny. But perhaps "bad taste" in comparison to a cute little bomb.

By the way, the bomb is misleading in "Organize & Create", as pics are not necessarily destroyed. It is more like putting a book back into a bookshelf. Such a metaphor would make more sense anyway.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
Bonnetmaker edited this topic 22 months ago.

Houston Cougars says:

This isn't a voting forum anyway - it's the quality of an idea, the possibility of implementation, and how it fits into current development plans that will matter to staff, not how many "votes" a suggestion gets.
You mean like keep telling people that they're wrong and they should change their browser? :P

And yes, if flickr wants to be a global company, it should understand that certain things aren't funny. In case flickr developers didn't know, the holocaust and 9/11 aren't funny either.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Arty Smokes (deaf mute) says:

911 might not have been funny in the US, but it was celebrated in many other places.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

"911 might not have been funny in the US....."
It was not funny anywhere. Neither were Nagasaki or Hiroshima. But, what does that little Flickr graphic have to do with any of those tragedies? So many computer games, cartoon strips and toys may have logos or labels with a little explosion included. Is it a Flickr Idea to start a world-wide movement to remove images, caricatures of anything resembling an explosion or detonation from public view? Is a representation going to be made at the UN in this regard anytime soon?
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
personne.de.chandigarh edited this topic 22 months ago.

kawanet    says:

This is a group to freely tell and discuss our ideas about Flickr, right?

I'm sorry but I'm not a political campaigner but a user talking about Flickr's little a-bomb graphic only.

As a developer, I wrote a code snippet of bookmarklet to patch the Organizr. The patched Organizr will just fade out the photo removed, instead of showing the unwelcome a-bomb graphic. Get the patch from my blog.

The workaround patch allows me to keep using Organizr as I love Flickr. It's not enough for everyone, however. I hope Flickr would also show their respect for everyone affected by bombs.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

hn.    says:

Fully agreed, the bomb is not nice. I disliked it for long. Thanks kawanet for patching that (haven't tried your patch so far).
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

"....I wrote a code snippet of bookmarklet to patch the Organizr....."
That's a really constructive use of your knowledge and skills. But I do urge you to consider that a little graphic of a tiny explosion, one which involves no visual representation of violence or destruction of any kind whatsoever, ought not to be a source of anguish to anyone. As I had mentioned before, such harmless depictions are so prevalent in cultures around the globe. By the logic cited previously, any symbol or letter that has some remote connection with evil happenings in human history ought to be banished as well.
Well, we'd have to do without the letters A and N for starters.
Then that famous symbol of a nucleus with electrons around it would have to be removed from all media around the globe.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Bonnetmaker    says:

... such harmless depictions are so prevalent in cultures around the globe. ...

You are right. But that just makes things worse. Flickr seemingly likes to participate in that. Why not simply removing that bomb, which surely is harmless to some but not to many others. To some it even seems to be important to keep the bomb. Interesting attitude.

As ethical arguing seemingly increases the unwillingness to get rid of the bomb, some other reason may help the bombers to safe their face: The bomb does not make sense semantically. When I first saw it, I was afraid that the pic, which I dragged to the lower part of the screen, has been discarded. The bomb simply is misleading.

Another way to stay compatible with the contemporary codes of discourse is to point out, that it simply is  unprofessional  to unecessarily annoy customers.

By the way: "... Well, we'd have to do without the letters A and N for starters. - Then that famous symbol of a nucleus with electrons around it would have to be removed from all media around the globe. ..." This really is a cheap rhetorical trick. You distort the request to change the picture of the bomb into another request, which then is easier to ridicule. Nice try, but let's stay focused on the topic.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
Bonnetmaker edited this topic 22 months ago.

Houston Cougars says:

Well, we'd have to do without the letters A and N for starters.
Come on man, you're better than that.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry    says:

Houston Cougars said:

“Come on man, you're better than that.”

Ange Halle    says:

But, Wil, that is not the point. This is not a censorship question, but an intercultural and socio political thing. Flickr seems to be a civil platform for an international public. (And games culture seemed so far away, although there are apparently many of that persuasion here too, as I occasionaly have seen.) But, suddenly to use this sort of imagery in such a gratuitous way seems a break in style, here.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry    says:

Ange Halle said:

“that is not the point”

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

"This really is a cheap rhetorical trick."
How so? Some one objects to a cartoonish explosion graphic today on the grounds it conjures up, for some reason, associations with non peaceful uses of nuclear energy, what's to stop people from wanting to remove, from all media around the globe, all reminders, symbols, alphabet letters, images, sounds, suggesting that an atom can be split or nucleii fused. Best to remove all references to the matter in all books on science and history as well.
How's that not sticking to the point?
Any view point that even remotely suggests some viable alternative mode of reasoning is not necessarily a rhetorical trick.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
personne.de.chandigarh edited this topic 22 months ago.

Patrick Costello    says:

>And games culture seemed so far away

FYI ... "Flickr was developed by Ludicorp, a Vancouver-based company that launched Flickr in February 2004. The service emerged out of tools originally created for Ludicorp's Game Neverending, a web-based massively multiplayer online game."
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Marlis1    says:

ah yes- violence on flickr again- LOL
flickr is a photo website not a game arcade- the question is:
is it really necessary? Do we need to pulverize, kill everything?
I thought it was called deleting!


--
Seen in a discussion of the group "Flickr Ideas" (?)
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry    says:

Marlis1 said:

“Do we need to pulverize, kill everything?”

Marlis1    says:

Wil C. Fry I am glad this made you happy, LOL-
first we kill with surgical strikes, then we sanitize?



--
Seen in the group"Flickr Ideas" (?)
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

"....pulverize, kill everything...."
If all the photos in a batch on organizr are worth decimating, well, yes, go right ahead and obliterate. Its your choice, after all.
The point is, that little bit of flame and smoke is a helpful indicator that the picture one had set out to remove has actually gone. Sometimes on the organizr, a picture from a batch dragged to the bottom for removal can actually bounce right back.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
personne.de.chandigarh edited this topic 22 months ago.

Houston Cougars says:

I couldn't care less what symbol or icon Flickr uses to denote the removal of an image from the set, but I don't want to live in a world where anything that's possibly offensive has to be banned.
I bet I can come up with a few symbols that would offend you.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry    says:

Houston Cougars said:

“I bet I can come up with a few symbols that would offend you. ”

kawanet    says:

At first, I never agree with an opinion that a-bomb is a kind of possibly offensive stuff.

Anyway, I understand the discussion here would rarely help the Flickr to change this. Yahoo is a global company and has variations of customers with diversity.

I feel the little a-bomb image is inappropriate.
Another may be afraid the Flickr's change means an unsaid apology.
Some will have other opinions.

I give up trying to tell this here in the thread.
I have not yet surrendered my hope though.
Originally posted 22 months ago. (permalink)
kawanet edited this topic 22 months ago.

kawanet    says:

-- a brief translation for Japanese users --
Organizr で選択した写真を選択解除する際に原爆のキノコ雲のアニメを表示していることが容認できず、海外の方に議論を任せずに日本人からも何か発言すべきと思い、この三年前から続くトピックにポストしてみましたが、この画像の変更が「暗黙の謝罪」に波及することを懸念されてるのか、認識のギャップに驚きます。もしかしたらサービス提供者が変更したくても、もはや容易には変更できない状態に陥っている可能性も。漫画での爆発表現からホロコースト、同時多発テロ、言葉狩りまで話を拡散しても、解決にはなりません。このスレッドは投票所ではないので、「画像を変更すべきに一票」といったコメントも逆効果らしい。残念ですが、もうここには書かずに他の場所で直接リクエストした方が、前向きかもしれないです。
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

FlyButtafly    says:

This isn't to make light of the actual A-bomb issue - but perhaps looking at the little explosion graphic as an A-bomb is the problem. Lots of big explosions make mushroom-type clouds.

Just sayin'.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

ashes to life says:

It's a tiny graphic of an explosion. There are bigger, better things to get offended about in this world.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Wil C. Fry    says:

└ Jarred ┐ said:

“There are bigger, better things to get offended ”

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

"I never agree with an opinion that a-bomb....."
I think pushing for nuclear disarmament, holding demonstrations in front of embassies of n-proliferating countries, making representations to the UN are admirable and worthy expressions of one's desire for a n-weapon free world.
But our anti-nuke credentials could get diluted somewhat if we used a picture removal graphic in the Flickr organizr as an issue for organizing a picket line.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

toastiest    says:

Ditto heet_meyser
I'm concerned that it looks stupid. Either update the damn thing and make it look professional, or ditch it for something with some class

I wouldn't have started this thread myself, but since it's here, and it expresses what I've thought every time I've seen that stupid animation, here I am.

I don't see it as a silly/cool relic of a smaller company. I see it as a example of how Yahoo doesn't really care about Flickr, and I they don't see to mind dropping an A-bomb on their whole company. Off-topic, but how many people you Yahoo for anything other than Flickr? Rhetorical question.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

Patrick Costello    says:

>"how many people you Yahoo"

That's too personal a question to answer in a public forum.
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)

personne.de.chandigarh    says:

" Yahoo doesn't really care about Flickr, and I they don't see to mind dropping an A-bomb on their whole company......"

There's a subtle, barely discernible, hint of a not very positive view of the company somebody banks upon for photo sharing.
Please, could anyone shed some light on this? Does the post imply the whole corporate needs to be given the old heave-ho just because someone started a thread....on a picture-delete graphic?
Posted 22 months ago. (permalink)