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Dynamic Sets -- it's the future! [Smart Sets]

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Dave Ward Photography says:

I posted this under another thread, deeply buried. But I think it is an idea by itself that should be put out here in its own thread.

Static, heirarchical organization--like the current idea of "sets" where we have to manually add and remove photos--is not the way of the future. (Not even the way of today.)

Think of the "smart playlists" in Apple's iTunes software: You set up parameters for what should be contained in the playlist, and how many things (or the total runtime), then the software throws together the playlist on-the-fly. The playlists are dynamic. I can make a set that picks 25 random songs that are in the genre "Progressive Rock," or I can make a set that contains two hours of my most-often-played songs. Etc.

Imagine a flickr equivalent: Dynamic sets.

You can make a set that contains all your photos that are tagged with both "portrait" and "girl."

Or you could make a set that randomly displays 20 of your photos that are predominantly in the "red" color spectrum. Every visit would get a different set, but all matching the description. Fresh content forever!

Or -- here's a nifty one -- you can make a set that contains your 10 most "interesting" photos. If your set is described that way, it will automatically update on-the-fly. If one of your new photos rises into your 10 most interesting, the set will immediately reflect that. You don't need to keep manually changing the set. You don't have to worry about watching your "most interesting" page so you know when to update your set.

Take this a step further, and apply it to everybody's photos:

You could make a set that contains 50 public photos, taken by anybody, that are tagged with "Seattle" AND have at least 50 views, selected randomly. An instant, ever-changing museum of photos!

Or, a variation of the same, You could make a set that contains 50 photos that are tagged with "Seattle" AND have been favorited at least twice, selected by most recently posted. Now you're seeing the latest Seattle photos that have impressed at least two people.

How about a set consisting of the 20 most recent photos posted by people who you have marked as a "friend" and which have been tagged with either "selfportrait" OR "me"? That would be really damn cool.

And every set--sets of your own photos as well as sets of all public photos--could have a little toggle checkbox to indicate whether you want to let other people see it, or keep it private and seen only by you. (That way when your mother visits your flickr stream, she doesn't find out that you have a set consisting of 100 public photos taken by anybody that have been tagged with both "sexy" and "girl." ;-)

Seriously--dynamic organization like this is the way of the future. And it's already the way of the present in some tools like iTunes. I hope flickr will eventually have dynamic sets just like I've described.
Originally posted at 6:49AM, 14 December 2005 PDT (permalink)
werewegian edited this topic 55 months ago.

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Philippe and Angie says:

thumbs up from me
Posted 91 months ago. (permalink)

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uberculture says:

I would KILL for this. Even just for my sets based on tags. But it seems everyone is way more interested in sets of sets, for now, so I think the future will have to wait.
Posted 91 months ago. (permalink)

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Elizabeth Thomsen says:

I think this would be wonderful, and that Smaragd has done a great job of explaining this and giving examples. iTunes Smart Playlists is a good model for this.

This really is the way of the future, and I predict we'll see this by the end of 2006!
Posted 91 months ago. (permalink)

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jacqueline-w says:

This would be waaay too cool.
Posted 91 months ago. (permalink)

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1yen says:

Very nice...

I say yes!
Posted 91 months ago. (permalink)

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Brian C Carter says:

Really great and it also seems like it'd be rather easy to implement. It's so "there" I had to struggle to realise its not actually there yet.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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*Tom* says:

It's the sort of thing you can already do on blogs with plugins such as FAlbum for WordPress. It's great fun, and I'd love to see that on Flickr itself...
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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shalf says:

Absolutely a good idea. It brings to dynamic content (search results) a mechanism to save and document the search query for later reuse. And a place to hang a title, description, comments, etc. Just like static sets.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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John Brownlow says:

The kind of thing I assumed Flickr would already have!

It didn't, but it should.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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febs says:

cool.

by the way, searching for tags with some boolean condition would be simpler and nicer, too.

i.e: search for tags "mountain" and "sky" and NOT "trees".

For any kind of reason.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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gaspi *yg says:

dynamic sets assembled via tags is quite flickr intuitive...
"Add photos to a set using tag(s)?" would be a fine flickr tool.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Brenda Anderson is a group moderator Brenda Anderson says:

@febs, you mean like this?

Search title, tags, description for:
(mountain and sky) not trees

What you need?
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Dave Ward Photography says:

Thanks, everybody. I hope it will happen someday. Sure would be a lot of fun, and a really powerful tool for managing and presenting photos.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Kansir says:

i hope to see this new function in Flickr soon.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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inkswamp says:

Combined with a system for meta-tags, this would be a killer way to organize things. In your comparison to iTunes, Smaragd, you have assumed the presence of meta-tags ("...songs that are in the genre "Progressive Rock...") Flickr does not currently have meta-tags and from what I've seen in various discussions, most people don't see the use of having it or feel that it's too complicated.

The only problem with dynamic sets without meta-tagging is that you might have photos from England that you want in a dynamic set, while at the same time you have photos in your stream of someone with the last name England. All of these photos would have "England" as a tag (presumably.) Meta-tags would make it easy to differentiate one as "location" and the other as "last name"

Beyond that minor hitch, it's a fantastic idea and I would love to see it available on Flickr.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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arghman says:

agree w/ inkswamp's comment, tags right now are just syntactic (jumbles of letters/numbers) rather than lexical (having any meaning).

I would consider this a useful feature [but less important to me than access control, sets of sets, and more presentation flexibility e.g. CSS/HTML in a set]
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Dave Ward Photography says:

Good point about meta-tags. That would be helpful to the organizing, but not necessary. It's something that could be added later. (I could see why people who want a set of photos from England would be annoyed to find photos of Lyndie England turning up in their sets...)

Another really nifty way of controlling dynamic sets would be to allow EXIF data to be used as a criteria for sets. Then, you could make a dynamic set of photos taken with a Nikon Coolpix 5900, or a set of all photos taken between 11:58 pm on 12/31/2005 and 12:02 am on 01/01/2006, or a set of all photos within a certain focal range, or an ISO speed less than 200. Tons of possibilities and combinations. Naturally this data would only include digital photos, and not shots on film, but even with that limitation, it would be a pretty awesome way to sort and manage photos.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Andreas. says:

I'm also in favour of this kind of dynamic/smart sets that depending on views, fave, interestingness, tags, users,...
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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3e says:

Curiouskiwi wrote:


@febs, you mean like this?

Search title, tags, description for:
(mountain and sky) not trees

What you need?


If only that search facility weren't broken!

Look at the tags being returned. It claims that "Between the sky and the mountain" is tagged with "keio" and "university"; in fact, it's tagged with neither one. It claims that "Mountain Sky" is tagged with "smoky" and "mountains"; in fact, it's tagged with neither one.

Someone seems to have decided that splitting on whitespace is a valid way to extract tags...


(It also claims that "Mountain Sky Hilltop" is tagged with "montana", "Montana", "vacation", and "Vacation"... which, I suppose, is half right.)
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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wand3rlust says:

This is an awesome idea, and would make organization 100,000 times simpler. And inkswamp is right on about the meta-tags. Hope to see this sometime in the future!
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Brenda Anderson is a group moderator Brenda Anderson says:

@3e, agreed that the search may return a small number of results that are inexact (where only part of the tag matches the query), but I still think it is still useable. All of the photos that return in my search for (mountain and sky) not trees do contain tags/descriptions with the words mountain and sky and not trees.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Astrid Claessen says:

Excellent idea!

Maybe even for adding pics to Groups based on a tag with the Group name (only where there's no limit on adding pics to the group).
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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versus167 says:

Dynamic Sets / Stored Querys / SQL-like searches

name it how you want - but this feature is a must to have!
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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anselor says:

As I've said before, I too would like Dynamic sets.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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chinarut says:

interesting you give a reference to iTunes especially since iPhoto has the "Smart Album" feature I use everyday!

i like how you ellude to basing these sets on additional metadata (ie. # of views) - a big thumbs up for dynamic sets here!
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Yolise says:

I guess I'm the only dissenter (probably because I don't do the whole iTunes thing).

The problem with random is that it's random. I create sets because they contain exactly the images I want in them in the order that I want them in. I can already search images by tag and then add them to a set fairly easily (obviously could be improved by adding the ability to select more than one photo in organiser at a time). Better searching via interestingness and favourites might be helpful, but I still want to control what people see using my eyes, not an algorithm.

Or am I missing the point?
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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uberculture says:

yolise... the random photos with red, or random most interesting photos are part of a larger feature. I agree, they aren't what I would most use. BUT... I would use a set that automatically gathered up all of my photos with a certain tag. All the time. It is such a pain in the neck for me to upload a bunch of pictures with tags, then go through and pick out all of them that have the tag "beer" to add to my "beer" set and the ones taged "saintpaul" to add to my Saint Paul set. If it happened automatically, it would save me tons of time.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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Tom (hmm a rosa tint) says:

Dont really like the random idea, but basing it on tags seems the way forward.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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mantis_kung_fu says:

See my post a couple of posts downward.
Posted 90 months ago. (permalink)

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ulaB [unable to see restricted pictures] says:

I like the feature of "virtual mailboxes" in google where you tag your mails and get them listed dynamically in a "maildir".

So I'd really like that feature in Flickr too :)
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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neilrsmith says:

Dynamic Sets would be cool - some of us use the iTunes smart playlist thing. This similar idea would be great on Flickr.

So I could have all my photos which have the upload date of 2005 in a SmartSet. or every photo that isn't tagged 'family' in another.

I'm claiming the name SmartSet by the way.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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Philippe and Angie says:

nellrsmith - someone beat you to it - have a look at this thread from January 05. www.flickr.com/forums/ideas/3553/
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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J-a-x says:

Great idea. Make smart sets like Apple's iPhoto or iTunes. I'd love to have a dynamic smart set with my 10 most favorited photos in it.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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mattparrot says:

Great Idea. I hope it gets implemented
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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mantis_kung_fu says:

Yes we need dynamic sets!

And, we need to be able to have sets of sets as well...

Imagine having Dynamic Sets and Dynamic subsets!!!!

I can't wait for these two features!
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

definitely a cool notion, certainely very useful, but yet "dynamic sets" cannot replace "normal sets", because with dynamic sets you cannot have arbitrary control of the order of the photos in the set, which you have with regular sets.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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taka_itaha says:

uberculture said: I would use a set that automatically gathered up all of my photos with a certain tag. All the time. It is such a pain in the neck for me to upload a bunch of pictures with tags, then go through and pick out all of them that have the tag "beer" to add to my "beer" set and the ones taged "saintpaul" to add to my Saint Paul set.

This is already possible: use the "search" facility in your own photostream, and it displays all photos tagged with the search term. And there is even a "view as slideshow" option to it.

The same counts for general photo searches or photo searches in a pool.

So the additions to existing features would be to limit the search results to 20 photos and to randomize the result.

Personally I don't see the advantage of "dynamic sets". I don't know why I should look at random photos (even if they share a given tag). I enjoy looking at my favorites, and sometimes looking at someone else's favorites. I do search for special tags, in or outside of different photostreams and pools. But I do such searches in order to find photos I want to see, eventually mark them as favorite.

I would however have some appreciation for randomizing the order of favorites in a slideshow (there are more things thinkable to enhance the favorites set).

If other people are in favor of "dynamic sets" I have of course no objection against it. Most things I use have possibilities which I don't use....
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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Luis Gomez says:

What are we waiting for on this?
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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Godspel says:

Brilliant!!
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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uberculture says:

I would like to have certain tags tied to sets more for the use of showing things to people. When my family looks at my photos, they sometimes don't quite "get" the tag page, and if somebody else from flickr checks out my stream, they see huge pictures advertising sets, and one little link on the right side of the page advertising a tag search. Just my opinion on it.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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etherflyer says:

I like this idea too. I use Smart Albums in iPhoto, and Smart Playlists in iTunes, almost exclusively now.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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loupiote (Old Skool) pro says:

Ok, I have a suggestion:

Sets could have a type: static or dynamic.

Static sets are the current type, i.e. images must be manually added to the set, and photos can be ordered arbitrarily in the set.

When dynamic, rules would be defined to select what photos would go in the set.

e.g. photos that have one or more tags, also exclude some tags, include only my photos or all photos or maybe a list of users.

also select a rule for ordering the photos in the dynamic sets, e.g. by date taken, by date uploaded, and reverse orders.

by keep all the rest, i.e. those sets could have a description, comments, etc.

yes, that would be VERY nice, and in fact it would simplify set management a lot in most cases, since the only thing you would have to do to add a photo in a dynamic set would be to add the right tag(s) to the photo.

i think this is a great idea, really.
Posted 89 months ago. (permalink)

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hubertk says:

absolutely! that would be a tremendous improvement
Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

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florian.b says:

Greatest idea ever.

Oraginzr is a ***!
Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

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matt says:

Three stars? Is that out of four or five?
Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

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Manila Daily Photo says:

Very interesting idea! And I do hope we soon find it implemented here!
Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

Fundamentals [deleted] says:

Intelligent Sets / Dynamic sets

Give the sets a touch of intelligence. Make organizing easyer than ever before.

My Idea was (also, like the one above) the fallowing (sorry for my bad english):

You create a intelligent set, where you can add tags which you want in your set. If you upload a photo with at least one of these tags, the photo automatically appears in the intelligent sets. This would be a very great feature in my eyes! Did you understand the idea? What do you think about it?

Some examples are: labels at www.del.ico.us / Intelligent Folders in Mac Os X / Intelligent Folders in Thunderbird



Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

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Tom (hmm a rosa tint) says:

I've changed my mind on this, I think it's not such a good idea. I can see a future of mixed up and confusing sets, plus I think the UI would be pretty confusing.
Posted 88 months ago. (permalink)

ScottAPerk [deleted] says:

This sounds awesome... and with the right coding it could be done! I sure hope we see it soon (I know this is an old thread)
Posted 87 months ago. (permalink)

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werewegian says:

I was looking for a definitive topic on "smart sets" and I guess this might be it. Anyway I use dopiaza's set manager as a temporary set maintainer but really would like to see the dynamic set idea added to Flickr itself. Sometime.
Posted 64 months ago. (permalink)

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Kyudos says:

I thought garlic bread was the future?
Posted 64 months ago. (permalink)

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veramilo says:

I was thinking it may not be a bad idea to have the words "smart set" added to the title of this post if it's going to be the official topic. Maybe just in parentheses, and perhaps along with some other terms people may use when doing a search for this great feature idea?

Is that even possible???

I have wished for this feature for a long time and finally decided to post after searching for and reading many topics and comments on "smart sets." (BTW: this topic wasn't even among my results even though "smart set" was used in some comments.) After finding all the topics closed, and without even a single Staff response, I hoped a new topic would bump it back up but my topic was instead very quickly closed to comments and I was referred here.

That's fine -- it's probably my fault for not being able to think of another term to use in my search, but I suspect others may have the same problem. This topic has also been inactive for 9 months now so I'd hate for it to be forgotten, too. If my closed post directs a few more comments here, at least it won't have been a total waste of time.

I can hope anyway. ;o)
Posted 55 months ago. (permalink)

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Xenedis says:

I like it.
Posted 55 months ago. (permalink)

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Thomas van Ardenne says:

They're actually (at least) two initiatives who partially provides with dynamic/smart sets. Check them out:

- www.flickr.com/groups/smartsetr/
- www.dopiaza.org/flickr/setmgr/

Neither of them has a 'instant set refresh' option, both do a refresh once a day.
Posted 55 months ago. (permalink)

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clickykbd is a group moderator clickykbd says:

wow someone dug up an old one. Glad that Dopiaza's set manager finally got linked to this idea though. Essentially the community implemented this, or a version there-of, still a cool feature suggestion, but may be low on the list as the tools are out there to approximate it yourself.

A couple of related set improvements (that could be interpreted as "smarter sets"):

Sticky Sorting Order
flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600994618392/

Virtual Sets in Organizer and Tag/Set Management Yum!
flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157607655423741/
Originally posted 55 months ago. (permalink)
clickykbd edited this topic 55 months ago.

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veramilo says:

Wow, I never heard of those extensions (or whatever they're called). I just tried one of them and it does exactly what I wanted. Thanks!

Of course it would still be nice if this kind of functionality was right in the flickr organizer, but it's wonderful that somebody took it upon themselves to fill that gap.
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aleksi.rasanen says:

Well, I really wish that there would be possibility to automatically create dynamic sets depending on camera.

I mean, it would be great if Flickr automatically creates "Nokia N73", "Nokia N82", "Canon EOS350D", "Canon PowerShot A710IS" etc. Of course this should be read from EXIF-data of image, and it would be nice if it would be customable in settings.

I mean, in EXIF some cameras uses strange names, so if I could change name of camera what is seen in dynamic sets, it would be nice.
Posted 54 months ago. (permalink)

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clickykbd is a group moderator clickykbd says:

did you know you can already view/search your photostream by camera model?

my Canon Powershot SD1000 photos ONLY.

how to construct the url

Not quite an official thing, more of a URL trick.
Posted 54 months ago. (permalink)

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Alan Vo says:

@clickykbd: everyone knows that :) but it's too simple people just forgot it...
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

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Brenderous says:

Exactly what I'm looking for.

This would be perfect for people doing Project 365 and adding their photos daily to a set that would automatically arrange them properly without having to re-arrange them every time.
Posted 49 months ago. (permalink)

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eBοb says:

This is what that other photo sharing website does. I really didn't like creating a set for my photos and having a bunch of other photos show up in that set (most of which weren't even mine). Unless this is optional, I don't think it's a good idea.
Posted 49 months ago. (permalink)

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PhilippNB says:

Great idea!
Posted 49 months ago. (permalink)

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sbeals says:

i have queried, and gotten the unsatisfying response that you have to have all of your photos in a photostream. Seems antiquated. I am yearning for the images to appear in sets only.
Posted 49 months ago. (permalink)

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lntrullin says:

This was originally posted FOUR YEARS ago. Why hasn't Flickr taken action on this?
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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elementalPaul says:

lntrullin - probably because there's third-party apps that do something similar. See this post.
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clickykbd is a group moderator clickykbd says:

They also might be working on this, or something very kindred to it, but traditionally they do not let us know what features are in the pipeline (for a variety of very valid reasons).
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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laureetarnault says:

clickykbd : You're right. They have valid reason but they can also extand their beta test to a labs zone where users can use new functionality like in GMail. Then, they can evaluate which one can be very usefull and stable.
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clickykbd is a group moderator clickykbd says:

I'm was just repeating what staff have said before about responsiveness to ideas and sharing upcoming ones...

I'd personally love it if there was a flickr *labs* UI that was a more concise collection of the neato things they have posted about but consider somewhat beta in code.flickr.com such as API Responses as Feeds, Downloadable/Reusable Shapes Files, etc etc. Even if they retained the policy of only sharing "mostly ready" things.
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ⓅⒶⓎⓅⒶⓊⓁ says:

clickykbd wrote

They also might be working on this, or something very kindred to it, but traditionally they do not let us know what features are in the pipeline (for a variety of very valid reasons).


I'd like to know what those valid reasons would be. It's more like God forbid us peons should know what the Lards On High are doing in Blue And Pink Ivory tower.
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dopiaza is a group administrator dopiaza says:

I'd like to know what those valid reasons would be. It's more like God forbid us peons should know what the Lards On High are doing in Blue And Pink Ivory tower.

I think a major reason is that the endless cries of "are we nearly there yet" would be unbearable.
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serialplantfetishist says:

I've read through most of the responses and am perplexed by why anyone is concerned about random photos showing up in their regular sets. In itunes, you can create a "playlist" or a "smartplaylist". Building on this model your regular sets would not suddently be bombarded by random material. Regular sets would operate exactly as they do now. Only "smartsets" or "dynamicsets" would automatically place new uploads into sets based on tags.

In my own case I'd mostly use it to load new photos of my garden by season, year and location by area in the garden.

I could imagine view options for smartlists which would allow you to see content ordered chronologically, by subset or by the number of faves, views or 'interest' level (already in use within the stats feature).

HEY FLICKR! IS THERE ANYONE ON THE FLICKR PAYROLL READING THIS THREAD? DON'T GET TOO COMFORTABLE OR A BETTER PROVIDER COULD PUT THESE IDEAS TO USE FIRST.
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ColleenM says:

serialplantfetishist

Flickr staff do not announce new features in advance. You may want to spend some time reading these two comments by Flickr staff about why they don't respond, give timelines, etc.

www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/721576038465521...

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72185/#reply450628
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serialplantfetishist says:

Thanks and you're right, I have absolutely no idea what is involved in integrating any new feature into something like flickr. Nor do I know what other good ideas are out there or how many people would benifit or welcome any one of them. Still, it sure would be a handy feature - for me.
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W1LL says:

I like this idea, dynamic sets would be a cool addition to Flickr.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

roszell [deleted] says:

Awesome idea, I would love it. I have having to organize my photostream, it would be nice just to tag them and be done.
Posted 47 months ago. (permalink)

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Serotoninuk says:

I had the same idea for an auto-set for your most viewed or most commented photos. I think this would be a great addition to Flickr. Get working on it guys!
Posted 46 months ago. (permalink)

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archiescat says:

I suggested a while back but no response; iPhoto does it also and it's great..... smart sets by tags would be great. The software to do it can't be that hard to engineer? Perhaps Yahoo should talk to Apple?
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Wil C. Fry says:

+1

I'm not very familiar with iStuff, but this sounds like a good idea. I can't see the need for random sets, but I understand that different people have different ideas/wants/needs.

Personally, I'd love to have sets that automatically grabbed up photos with specific tags. For instance, all of my photos tagged with "Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM" would automatically go into the set for that lens. It would be nice.
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IrenicRhonda says:

Saint.Seminole wrote

all of my photos tagged with "Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM" would automatically go into the set for that lens Flickr Set Manager will do that. And it will update on a daily basis


Edited to correct link - Thanks Saint
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Wil C. Fry says:

Somehow, your link took me back to this page. But I found the one you meant to link to. :-)

Thanks! I'll give it a go.

Still, it would be nice to have this functionality built-in. :-)
Posted 43 months ago. (permalink)

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Sergiu Bacioiu says:

Smart Sets +1
Posted 42 months ago. (permalink)

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wayoutbeyond says:

I like the idea! Great Insight!
Posted 41 months ago. (permalink)

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dolomite73 says:

Just tried the Dopiaza one - worked a treat!

www.dopiaza.org/flickr/setmgr/
Posted 40 months ago. (permalink)

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wishiwerebaking says:

What it sounds like is that people want to be able to save particular queries, not that they're looking for sets, per se. They want to say, "I think that my first 20 red things are cool, have a look."

This is, indeed, different functionality than simply organizing things into sets, because sets probably should be something different: they should be something more taxonomical and hierarchical than merely tagging (hence the ability to create multiple levels of collection, with sets down at the bottom end of the tree structure).

Think of the desired functionality more as a finding aid than as a taxonomy. People's collections are mirrors of collections in the real world; such collections have both a taxonomy and finding aids.

-D
Originally posted 40 months ago. (permalink)
wishiwerebaking edited this topic 40 months ago.

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gsp100677 says:

I use Dopiaza for this, and Flickr have also recently opened up the API to allow developers to access Stats so these smart set capabilities can be expanded further.

However, we're still a way off from the full possibilities the original poster describes, and it would be nice to have this kind of functionality built in.
Posted 38 months ago. (permalink)

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onomatoh says:

Great idea indeed.

I love parametric organization!
Posted 38 months ago. (permalink)

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lashleigh says:

Wow, this thread started 5 years ago. But for what it's worth (nothing probably) I think smart sets are a great idea.
Originally posted 36 months ago. (permalink)
lashleigh edited this topic 36 months ago.

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Wil C. Fry says:

I'm now using SuprSetr to do this, and it seems to work for the most part.

However, just like the Dopiaza suggestion above, it's an outside app. It requires going outside of Flickr to set something up, when the sets should just *have* this functionality.

Even more than the tag-created sets, I'd love my sets to always stay in the same order. When I tell it to sort by "date taken, newest first," every image I add to that set should go into that order. But it doesn't. :-(
Posted 36 months ago. (permalink)

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J e n s says:

It's a great idea and considering that it was brought up 66 months ago - almost visionary. I'm a data geek and this sounds like great fun and a pretty unique feature for whichever photosite introduces it first.
Posted 36 months ago. (permalink)

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sidiousj says:

I had the same idea, a set that will automatically include your most popular photos a kind of top 10 for example.
Posted 35 months ago. (permalink)

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lcarslcars says:

I hadn't thought of dynamic sets before, but this would be a good way of doing what I want to do. I want to make sure that all of my photostream's contents goes to exactly (or at least) one group. I realise that not everyone wants to do this but at the moment, I am having to maintain a "set" of all the pictures that I have uploaded to a given group (and which have been authorised by that group) so that I can see my pictures that are "not in any set" !

I really need to see "not in any GROUP" but maintaining a parallel set of my contents in that group seems to be the only way so far.
Posted 29 months ago. (permalink)

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histogram_man says:

I am astounded that this dates back 5 years and even more that it is not available.
An admirable idea and well done to the originator.
Posted 29 months ago. (permalink)

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Katie M 459 says:

+1

I have two sets that I would like to convert to something like this, which I currently have to keep updated manually. One which lists the most "interesting" photos, in decreasing order of interestingness, and one which lists all photos that have gotten two or more faves, in decreasing order of number of faves.

It would be nice to be able to do smart sets for the four most common uses, which would be:

a) most interesting photos, listed in order of most interesting first, up to a user-specified number of photos (i.e. "50 most interesting").

b) pics with favorites (listed in order of most favorites first), either down to a user-specified minimum number of faves (i.e. "3 or more faves"), or up to a user-specified number of photos (i.e. "50 most faves").

c) most views, either down to a user-specified minimum number of views (i.e. "1000 views or more"), or up to a user-specified number of photos (i.e. "50 most views").

d) most comments (basically the same as "most views").

If this would be a processing hog, Flickr could get around it by having these be normal sets (that is, with certain photos in a certain order without having to do much in the way of calculating), but just have the set be automagically updated (or reset) according to the user-specified parameters, maybe twice a day. This should take no more processing work than viewing your own stats currently does (less, even, since it would all take place behind the scenes and doesn't send anything to a browser).
Posted 29 months ago. (permalink)

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lcarslcars says:

Bit surprised this thread goes back "years". Is it just me or is Flickr's user-interface the most user-unfriendly thing I've ever seen ?

When I became a Pro user, I assumed certain facilities would become available to me. Specifically, I assumed some sort of grown-up method of managing one's images but there's nothing.

Even the download of a CSV file showing what images I actually have uploaded, their dates, and what groups they're in would've been helpful.

Not very impressed with Flickr, especially their policy of not announcing what ideas are in the pipleline. If another provider comes along, I'll go with that.
Posted 29 months ago. (permalink)

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Florian Milz says:

I would so welcome this feature but due to this post being 5 years old already I don't think flickr's ever gonna advance! Nothing new to come soon I assume.

Thinking about switching to some other service for quite a while now! Won't renew my pro account!
Posted 29 months ago. (permalink)

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RubyMae says:

lcarslcars Flickr isn't a photo organizing site; it's set up as a photo blog, featuring the newest features first. If you're just looking for organization, then you might be happier with a different product.

As to the original idea of smart sets +1
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kitby says:

RubyMae said:

Flickr isn't a photo organizing site
Respecfully, I disagree. In Flickr's own words, "We want to enable new ways of organizing photos and video." I've certainly used tags, sets, and collections to organize photos in a manner that would be inconvenient to mimic on my own computer.

Anyway, "smart/dynamic" sets sounds cool to me, even if I don't have an immediate use for them.
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kitby edited this topic 29 months ago.

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DFNoJunk says:

I would like a smart set that lets me display RECENT PHOTOs in a widget on my blog.

Right now I'm using the generated set from dopiaza.org; however, I'd like an official flickr set that is updated virtually instantly.

Thanks for considering this.
Posted 25 months ago. (permalink)

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Exceluk1 says:

Has this not been done yet?
Posted 9 months ago. (permalink)

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kmacgray says:

Has this not been done yet?

That's correct. This has not been done yet.
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vaghinakpetrosyan says:

+1 for dynamic sets
Posted 8 months ago. (permalink)

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