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Is this a result of expired developer or something else?

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iiruseva says:

Hi all,

I am looking for some help to understand what happened with this?

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I don't even know how to call the funny looking background..
I developed the film in R09 (Rodinal). Which was opened in October and has been in the fridge since than untouched, so not in too much contact with air in the bottle.

The film is Acros and I used 1+25 dilution for 7 minutes with only water for stop bath and fix for 5 minutes.

Any help is much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Irina
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fawcetownsley  Pro User  says:

Have you looked closely at the negs?Do they look like this or is it just the scan?I would doubt the RO9 would be off or even do anything like this.
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AtlantaTerry says:

Are you talking about the deep shadows being very very black? That certainly is weird. Let's think about it. Deep black shadows on black & white film would be caused by absolutely blank film. Right? That's total lack of development in those issues.

So to me that points to a developer issue, not a fixer one. Because if the fixer were too powerful there would be no detail at all on the negative and the non-deep-shadows look nice.

Maybe a scanner issue?

Hmmm...
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iiruseva says:

It's the negs and it's visible on them as well... it's not the scanner as I have tried rescanning this in different ways with the same issue each time...
Posted 5 months ago. (permalink)

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AtlantaTerry says:

have someone else scan the negatives. Their results will be telling.
Posted 5 months ago. (permalink)

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Fotohuis (Robert)  Pro User  says:

Did you pre-soak with the Acros 100 film?

R09 one shot (Rodinal) you have to keep on room temperature, not in the fridge because you will get too many crystals but I do not think it has to do with this problem.

The problem is in the negative, a type of strange solarisation.

Best regards,

Robert
Posted 5 months ago. (permalink)

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tronds_63 says:

This may be insufficient fixing.
Fix the film again, and the blotches is gone!
BTW. Don't presoak and don't keep rodinal in the fridge.
Shake it well before taking the required amount from the bottle. This to dissolve any crystals on the bottom og the bottle.

Weak developer because of a lot of crystals on the bottom of the bottle will NOT cause this kind of stains.

The stains are in the deep shadows, where there is most undeveloped silver. If this isn't removed by the fixer, you get this kind of stains.
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Midori no Saru  Pro User  says:

Do you have infra-red dust removal turned on with your scanner? It doesn't work with black and white film, and often has effects like this.
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mikulis says:

yup I agree with Midori, make sure you have digital ICE turned off on your scanner, or it will make the negatives look splotchy like this

you can't use ICE on silver based films like regular black and white and Kodachrome, but you can use it on dye based films like regular colour and Ilford XP2 or Kodak BW400CN
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haljordan  Pro User  says:

I had the same result from using Ilfosol 3 that was dying. It was the short shelf life of that developer that led me to Rodinal in the first place. I am surprised that you got that with Rodinal, maybe the refridgeration? I keep mine in the dark at room temperature.
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jfa1985 says:

At first glace it look like the negatives were scanned with ICE on which like others have said does not work with traditional b&w films.
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jambianibob  Pro User  says:

Does look like ICE was on when scanning. If it was a processing issue then the problem would be more randomly arranged on the neg... no?
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iiruseva says:

Hi all,
it is no the ICE, my scanner is a simple Epson V300. I tried different options with the same results the grey areas are visible on the negatives as well. I will re-fix the film and develop another one - to see if this was a result of the developer reaching the end of its life.

It has actually happened to me before and it was the developer which had changed colour and had gone cloudy.

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This time though the developer was clear and hasn't changed colour so I was unsure what is causing the shadows.

Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and thanks for your help!
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