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Photography Banned in Downtown Silver Spring
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I am a longtime resident of Silver Spring. Back in the mid nineties through
my involvement with the Greater Silver Spring Chamber of Commerce and what
was then called the Silver Spring Urban District, I participated in many of
the activities leading up to the development of the new Downtown Silver
Spring.
I have many hobbies and one of them is Photography. One could describe the
kind of pictures that I take as ³Urban Landscape². Through the popular
photography website Flickr, I participate in a photography group known as
³DC Neighborhoods² where we pick a neighborhood, photograph its character
and ambiance, and then post it to this site to share with the group and
others.
This past Tuesday, I went to downtown Silver Spring, had lunch, and then
took out my camera and standing on Ellsworth Avenue, I began taking shots of
the buildings with the blue sky and clouds as a backdrop. Almost
immediately, a security guard approached and told me ³there was no picture
taking allowed in Downtown Silver Spring.² What do you mean² I said, ³I am
on a city street, in a public place, taking pictures is a right that I have
protected by the first amendment.² The guard told me to report to the
management office.
There, Stacy Horan informed me that Downtown Silver Spring including
Ellsworth Avenue is private property, not a public place, and subject to the
rules of the Peterson Companies. They have a no photography policy to
³Protect them from people who might want to use the photographs as part of a
story in which they could write bad things about us.² And she told me that
many of the chain stores in Downtown Silver Spring don¹t what their
³concepts² to be photographed for security reasons. There was also a concern
that I might sell my photographs and that is not allowed. I told her that I
was well aware of my rights to take pictures on public property, any
pictures that I take I have a right to sell, and questioned how they could
have a policy that limits our individual rights when Downtown Silver Spring
was built with public money.
I found out later that it is true Ellsworth Avenue was turned over to
Peterson Companies through the process of condemnation.
So now I¹m wondering: If this is a $1.2 billion public/private investment as
stated in Tuesday¹s New York Times article about the downtown renaissance,
where do the public¹s rights end and the private corporations policies
takeover?? In discussing this with fellow Silver Spring residents I have
been told that we are not allowed to campaign, petition or protest in
Downtown Silver Spring. These are basic American values, true to our
beliefs, and in the Downtown Silver Spring they are banned?? In this age of
eroding individual rights should the people of Silver Spring accept this??
It is my understanding that the county continues to spend public funds
promoting Downtown Silver Spring and I wouldn¹t discourage this, but I think
that the county should have a conversation with the Peterson Companies about
their policies in regards to these basic American values and freedoms.
I don¹t think that the people of this county are willing to trade their
rights of free speech or the right to petition assemble and protest in their
own downtown for a Starbucks or a Potbelly¹s.
Originally posted at 9:29AM, 14 June 2007 PDT
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Photos by Chip Py edited this topic 60 months ago.
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Standing on the corner taking pictures of a building is not a crime. You had no obligation to report to the principal's office. And they have no right to hassle you.
"... As long as the building is in a public place, or visible — and photographable — from a public place, there is no infringement of the building’s copyright owner’s rights. This rule includes private as well as public buildings ... "
Source ... www.asmp.org/commerce/legal/copyright/publicbldg.php
We should all try to educate the folks at Peterson. Here is their contact information: www.petersoncos.com/contact.htm
Posted 60 months ago.
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I'm ready to have words with Peterson Companies. Another glowing example of corporate bullsh$t.
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Well, I am a resident of Silver Spring, too. I live in the Blairs and work on Fenton Street.
Want to do something to protest this? I have been excited about all of the renewal here, but that is utter crap. It's just stupid. Every picture I have seen of the downtown that someone takes there has actually been to praise it. I *hate* how freaked out companies get about photos of buildings. It just isn't rational.
I don't think that Ellsworth is private property. We can figure that out, though. We don't have a Silver Spring meetup, but I'd be happy to start one if others want to get involved.
Write to me or write here if you are interested.
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I say we inundate Peterson management with educational e-mails (thanks, jbhaber).
The funny thing is, there's probably no single authority to blame. It's just everyone following some blind policy that someone else instituted.
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Which is precisely why we need to educate them.
Posted 60 months ago.
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Hello Kate and all
I am really excited about your entushusiasm for this!! As well as that of the folks on this board.
This is the fifth time since I got my Nikon and started shootin seriusly in January that this has happend and it's an area that I feel we can make a stand. I have been involved with SS politics for over twelve years. Back inthe day I served on the Board of both the SS Chamber and the SS Urban District. This was when all of this was in the planning stages.
Things are moving forward. That letter I sent you has been sent to the County Council, State Senator Jamie Raskins(My sister ran his campaign)office and the office of the Govenor. I have had phone conversations with three members of the council and they have expressed their concerns and clearly see the issue. Marc Elrich confirmed that the part of Ellworth Ave that I was standing on is in fact owned by the Peterson Companies. It was given to them by the county throught the process of condemnation.
The Washington Post (Marc fisher) The Gazette (Jim Brocker0 and the Silver Spring Voice (Eric Bond) have all communicated that they are interested in covering this.
This afternoon I plan to hit the SS blogs and listserv as well as calling Wendy Reiger from channel four. (she is a friend of mine from way back)
I am excited by the activety and thoughts generated by the Flickr board. And I thnk maybe we should have a meet up. I was at the Quarry House last night and there is a lot of people alarmed by this. Some suggest getting 150 people to march down the street taking pictures.
Chip
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I just went to post this in a Sliver Spring blog and quess what??
It's allready there,
silverspringsingular.blogspot.com/
Chip
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I think a group of people "marching" down the street shooting pictures is a great idea; and I don't think you need 150... 15 would do fine, five even.
These are private security guards; they have no ability to arrest you, nor to confiscate your equipment. They can, however, call in the real police.
If that part of the street really does belong to the Peterson companies, they they are, indeed, within their right to restrict anything from photography to speech. Same rules apply when you walk into a shopping mall; you're on private property, you have to play by their rules.
But I'd really like to see these guys try and stop a group. When they approach, just firing off images; watch their heads explode. :)
I have a question: What does the phrase "through the process of condemnation" mean?
Oh, and if the group does this, make sure you have a couple of people hanging back to document any confrontation as well.
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Norman Lane would be so disappointed!
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These days Norman Lane would be cast out of Silver Spring with a boot in his b-tt!!
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These corporate folks need to realize these very freedoms are what led to their abiltiy to -have- a company such as theirs. When you start limiting freedoms, markets will ultimately suffer. This is long term, but they are "doing their part" to head us in the wrong direction.
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We've been following this with interest; thanks for bringing it to our attention. You can find our post about it here.
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This is the EXACT reason why I'm nervous about the Awakening finding a home inside National Harbor, also a Peterson development. There's supposed to be a city-like street grid and sidewalks inside the development, but I have been suspecting that it's going to be "public" like the lifestyle center malls attempt to be Main Streets, but withouth actually being a public space.
The privatization of the public realm should scare the living shit out of everyone, and not just because the freedom to photograph is taken away. Cities and municipalities in general should be prevented by law to sell public assets (space, land, streets, sidewalks) over to private developers in exchange for economic development, new buildings, new retail, etc... Which is in all likelihood exactly what happened when the new redevelopment in Silver Spring was approved.
I was pissed about The Awakening moving before, but now I'm livid if it's moving from public space to private.
whiteknuckledwanderer.blogspot.com/2007/04/awakening-bein...
Posted 60 months ago.
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Oh come on......They don"t have problems like this in Stepford.
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If you've read the Baltimore Sun article, then you know that the Downtown Silver Spring developers have altered their policy to allow limited photographer access to Ellsworth Drive. That's great, but not what we're asking for.
Free Our Streets is asking for PFA Silver Spring LC to welcome photography, videography, and other filming on Ellsworth Drive, consistent with First Amendment rights as they would apply on any other public street.
The Downtown Silver Spring development includes $187 million in county and state funds and the once completely public property Ellsworth Drive, public investment that should come with public rights.
And so the Downtown Silver Spring Photo Walk is still on. A declaration of photographic freedom on July 4th.
Posted 60 months ago.
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Check this out:
www.photosecrets.com/tips.law.html
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