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PROJECT - Reflections on a Glass base
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Well I hope the title has got some curious enough to open this thread and had better expain a little of what it is about.
The aim is to provide a project that almost anybody can try and no matter what the ability, by following along, will be able to get acceptable results. The subject might not appeal to all, but hopefully there will be something to learn. Now I confess to being a beginner myself and I was trying a lot of this for the first time, recording it as I went, thankfully, without too many mistakes. To give an idea of what you can expect to find, here is an example before we start to get a bit more in depth.
PLEASE NOTE : All the pics are clickable and larger versions available, just click on them. May be useful on the setups in particular. Also if you want to see the camera settings used, click on the "more properties" link on the right side of each photos page.

In order to make this so that as many members of the group as possible could try it, I have kept the equipment needed to a minimum. Even if you have a compact point and shoot camera, as long as you can turn off the flash, you should be able to follow along. I have to say though, an SLR (either film or digital) will make it a lot easier and the results more controllable. So here is a pic of the setup, I will follow on with a few notes to explain it.

I hope this shows how simple it is to set up for this and that you dont need a lot of space, this was all done on a small coffee table. Behind the coffee table is a white board to act as a reflector for the lights. A plain wall will work, but it needs to be smooth and white will give the best refections.
The lights are just normal desklamps fitted with 20watt compact flourescent low energy lightbulbs. If you are not sure what these are, ask and I will post a photo from which I'm sure you will recognise them.
You will also need a tripod or another way of supporting the camera for this, the shutter speeds used will not allow for a sharp image if you are holding the camera
Finally we come to the glass that we are going to photograph on. Now you dont need to use glass (more options in a moment), but in my opinion, it gives much better reflections than anything else. It does though have one problem, as do most clear materials, in that both sides of it will give reflections. Time for another photo which I hope will show this. If you look at the refection of the candle holder, you will see it is pretty messed up, as there are 2 refections close together.

The above pic was a sheet of glass with a piece of black card below it, which allows both surfaces to reflect. To overcome this, the best method I have found, is to paint one side of the glass with an aerosol of black paint, matt or gloss it makes no difference, just make sure the glass is polished first to remove fingerprints and the like. This will give you a black mirror in effect
Now you may be thinking, where am I going to find some glass :)
Well, probably the easiest for most people, will be to buy a cheap picture frame from a budget store, take the glass out and use that. One thing to be careful of though, most picture frames dont have the edges of the glass polished, so take care not to cut yourself. A strip of sticky tape along each edge witll help protect your hands.
As I mentioned above, there are alternatives to glass. The most popular is clear Acrylic sheet, this goes by different names in different parts of the world, Lexan, Plexi, Perspex are just a few that I can think of at the moment. This can be used in the same way as glass and will also take black paint in the same way. The biggest problem with Acrylic sheet though, is that it does scratch very easily and if you are going to use it often, continuous polishing will cause scratches in the surface fairly quickly. It is also more expensive than glass.
One final tip before we get on to taking some photos. To help keep your Glass or Acrylic sheet dust free and prevent the black paint from getting scratched in storage, a good idea is to cover it in clear food wrap, you know the stuff that is full of static electricity and sticks to itself. This will pic will hopefully help to show what I mean.

Well if anybody is still here and not got bored, time to take some pics, which I guess is why we are here. To start off with, a shot taken using the set up at the start. This was taken with my little Olympus compact, which I will continue to use for the shots of the various setups, but the photos of the subject will all be done with a DSLR (Canon 300D with kit lense), though wether you will be able to tell the difference, I'm not sure.

I hope you can see how the light reflected from behind works here. The board behind is reflecting the light forward and as the light fades as it gets higher on the board behind, it gets darker toward the front of the glass below. It is also worth noting, the reflection in the glass is all shadow. It is possible to also light from in front, but that is outside the scope of this piece, maybe I will come back to that at another time.
Now remembering that the reflection on the glass base is a mirror image of what is coming from the board behind, we will make use of this in the next shots. To start with, just placing a black bacground behind will give a completely different effect. Here is how it was arranged.

As you will see, the black card does not cover the whole of the background, just enough to fill the relection shown in the glass. There is still light being projected forward from the sides and above the black board. Next up the effect this gives.

I hope this illustrates how the light is altered by the black board behind and you will be starting to understand how this works. Worth noting here, is the way that it is getting lighter toward the foreground from where the light is hitting the background above the black board.
To help ilustrate this a bit more, lets add a coloured background instead.

So now we have a nice orange behind. Good and bright and should work well with the red candle in the holder. The orange is just two pieces of letter sized photocopy paper taped together with sticky tape. Note on the reflection on the glass, from this angle, you can see how it is brighter where it is close to the light source, gradually getting darker as you get further from the lights. This translates in to a gradual change from dark to light when you get down to camera level.

As you can see, this gives a completely different final image to the backgrounds used before. So lets try something else, rather than the nice warm feel of the orange, going to the opposite end of the spectrum, lets try a cool blue. Here it is all set up ready to go.

From this angle it doesnt look very special and it does look strange that the reflection in the glass is not filling the area. Thats just the angle it is viewed from. Here is what it looks like through the viewfinder.

Well, I think it is pretty cool anyway :)
I hope this has shown how playing around with the colours gives different effects and I'm sure there are many more out there waiting to be discovered.
I was going to leave it like this, but one more special effect to come to give a bit more of an abstract result. Here is how it was set.

As you can see, the black board behind is back in the frame. In addition to this, a piece of black card on either side to shield the light coming from the sides. What doesnt show very well here, is that there is a gap of about 1inch/25mm between the cards at the sides and the one at the back, which allows just a narrow beam of light through to reflect in the glass of the candle holder. Here is how it looks lit this way.

Note the way there is very little light in the centre and the narrow light has just illuminated the edges. By playing around with the postion of the lights and the ways you block it, all sorts of different effects are possible.
Well i guess thats as far as we go here at the moment. I hope some have stuck with it and maybe learnt something by reading through all this, but most of all, I hope it has encouraged some to have a play and experiment with something new.
If I have missed something, which is quite likely, or you have any questions, please feel free to ask and I will try to answer as best I can. I'm hoping that some results may start to appear in the "Reflections" theme thread, or if you try any of this, please also feel free to add your results in here. At least it would let me know if this was worth doing ;-)
Rather than leaving with 13 pictures though, not that I'm superstitious :) I will sign off with one final pic from my trusty little compact, I hope you enjoyed it.
Steve.
Originally posted at 8:57AM, 23 April 2010 PDT
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Many thanks to Steve and everyone else who contributed to this thread. I read every word. This is my first image and I'm using the the black painted picture frame glass. The light is bounced off pink paper.
BTW, I was interested in the different ways folks came up with to protect the black mirror. I planned to put a piece of cardboard on mine and tape the edges. My wife said, why don't you just put it back into the picture frame? Duh. That simple suggestion protects the back and edges as well as they can be protected!
Originally posted 21 months ago.
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Whitebutton edited this topic 21 months ago.
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LOL, it's always the simple ideas that work best. Only thing to be careful of is that it doesnt scrath being taken in and out of the frame, if you need the edge in view. Some designs of frame are better for this than others. It's also worth keeping in a plastic bag between uses to prevent dust and marks from any handling.
Great result, especially for a first attempt, love the light and reflection.
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I have also used something called polycarbonate sheet. It is shatter resistant. I bought it a Lowes while looking for glass. A nice 18x24 sheet.
Posted 21 months ago.
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I was playing with the new Coolpix P7000 and a sheet of black plexi one recent evening and came up with this.
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How about one more from my new P7000...
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A ghostly still life first..

..and something with a bit more action: Bouncing "goodies"

Both images taken using a simple black perspex sheet as the reflective surface. Both were lit from the front only using four strobes in a line at low power.
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bda668 edited this topic 20 months ago.
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Some times, the easier is the simpler!
I had to show this box of an ointment for skin burnings.
A mirror, reflecting the sky through the window, the sun on the top side, a strobe through a white reflector on the front side.
BTW, this was done using a 30 years old lens, Tamron SP Adaptal2, 90mm f/2.5. I guess this is one of the best lens I ever had!
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an oldie
Posted 20 months ago.
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Haven't done any of these for a while:


Paul ☺
Posted 20 months ago.
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Thanks for adding these Paul.
For everybody else, click on the top one with the blue and red background to see how different colours and lighting effects it. Very informative.
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Two more from the archives.

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Nice to see your images, but this thread is more about learning. If you just want to showcase, then this thread would be a more suitable one.
www.flickr.com/groups/creative_tabletop_photography/discu...
Posted 20 months ago.
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In the spirit of sharing I've posted a rough how to on the shoe pic. Always happy to share.
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Thanks Phillip, appreciate the additional info. I'm sure we can all learn a lot from someone of your experience and hope you will share more.
Though I started this thread to try and encourage others to experiment, I am a complete novice, so I expect you got some amusement from my ramblings :)
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Not at all. You are an inventor and a problem solver. From my point of view they are two essential qualities in being a good photographer, especially a still life photographer. I've been doing this a long time and still have to come up with new ways to tackle new problems, sometimes even new ways to tackle old problems. ;))
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After reading Steve’s tutorials on home made soft boxes and reflective bases. I made a visit to our local Lidl store with the sole purpose of getting some free cardboard boxes. Having now made the soft boxes, I must say they are very useful light modifiers. While I was in the groove I found a piece of Perspex and painted the back with automotive black spray paint. I used an automotive surface preparation to degrease the Perspex before applying the paint. To protect the painted surface I cut a piece of hardboard to size and covered it with kitchen roll. Then placed the Perspex on top and fixed it in place with two strips of plastic bookbinder. The dreaded dust ruined my first attempt at a photo shoot using the base! So I cleaned the surface of the Perspex with a spray cleaner I use for my spectacles that worked a treat. So now I had better post my first second attempt at reflective tabletop photography.
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Very nice, the lighting has worked great, almost tempting me to give my old compact a polish, but I fear it is probably a bit too scratched to be photogenic anymore :)
You have discoved one of the problems with perspex/acrylic/plexi, it is a devil for attracting dust. Just giving it a wipe clean is enough to create static, which attracts even more.
This is less of a problem with glass and if you plan to do much of this type of shooting, a cheap picture frame to provide the glass, will be a godsend.
Thanks for posting and including the details, it's results like this that remind me why I started this, thanks :)
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what a great thread... I never knew that about the painting the back black to get rid of the double reflection... I will definitely make use of that info... also this whole thread is great inspiration... seeing as I was doing some studio type shots this week...
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Thanks, the thread has built into a good resource. Just looking back through I'm surprised at how much it has grown and how many have contributed.
Hopefully more to come too :)
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What an excellent thread this is! Thank you, Steve, any everyone else for your suggestions. I can't wait to try this technique and the weather is not great today so it's perfect timing :-)
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Thanks Michelle, glad you enjoyed it. Have fun.
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Whiskers, If you position one of Steve's home made diffusion screens somewhere to the left of your shooting camera and up a bit from your lens height. You wont need much light through it, but you should be able to put some white into the metalic ring around the subject camera. What the diffusion screen will do is bounce a bright source off the perspex back into the lens rings of the subject camera and then back directly into the your shooting camera's lens.
This is only possible because the floor is reflective. If the floor was a matt black surface you would have to slide a white piece of paper into the shot to provide the reflection and then have to go to the bother of retouching it out. This is one of the often unrealized advantages of shooting on a reflective surface. Hope that makes some sense, Cheers.
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Thinking of sticking something to the back of the glass as the paint comes off REALLY easily! Half way through painting an 80cm x 150cm sheet of glass - how on earth am I going to protect THAT?? --Rob Fry
How about using Liquitex black acrylic artist paint? Years ago I painted my dorm room windows with this. I tested it and it came off quite easily. The test was probably just 24 hours. However after months it got so hard that it was an arduous task to scrape off with single edge razorblades. I don't know how long it took to get so hard. I'm thinking that acrylic artist paint might get hard quickly if the glass were set to harden in sunlight. This idea might be worth a few minutes to paint a small piece of glass for a test.
Why would I paint my dorm room's windows black? I setup a darkroom in it. No one from the school ever asked. From the outside of the building it was visible as a black mirror. It was on the seventh floor which probably helped.
Dave Hartman
Posted 19 months ago.
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Thanks for this tutorial, my first effort it this:
I made the base by painting glass from a clip frame (i.e. the ones without a solid frame just metal clips) this has meant that I have smooth edges to the glass.
I didn't fancy spray painting the glass because of the mess I'd likely cause - but paint with a brush seems to have worked well.
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Never would have thought to brush paint the glass, I'm lazy and it is so quick with a spray can :)
Certainly looks like it works just as well though Matt, nice result and I like the one with the Scrabble pieces too. Well done.
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In the book, Light, Science and Magic, this wonderful lighting technique is called "dark field lighting."
The opposite effect, which places dark edges on the glass, is called "bright field lighting." You bounce light off a white board, with black fabric or board covering the whiteboard just outside the area you can see in the viewfinder.


If someone is going to try either technique using compact flourescent or other artificial light, I suggest the purchase of a gray card. Sample your light by photographing the gray card. Then use auto white balance in your Photoshop or other processing software and apply that setting to all future photos shot with that light. By this technique I know the track lights in my kitchen are 2450.
I learned a lot from this discussion. I'll be painting and mounting some glass later this week. It will have a transformative effect on my 365 beverages project.
Thanks, Steve, for taking the time to share, and for making the techniques so clear with your descriptions and illustrations.
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Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful and were able to produce such good results.
On the subject of compact flourescents (CFL's), setting the white balance is a bit of a nightmare, as they come in so many different colour temperatures.
Rather than a grey card though, I find it easier to set a custom white balance on the camera. If you are able to, it is much easier to do this in camera than in post processing. Plus you dont need either a grey card or photoshop to be able to correct it.
Luckily, most CFL's for domestic use are now starting to be produced with a 2700K colour temperature. As it happens that is the same as the tungsten setting which is even on most point and shoot cameras, so no need to mess around with altering colours, or custom settings.
Thankfully, the days of having to search out expensive daylight balanced CFL's for photography, are no longer with us and the much more economical domestic bulbs do just as good a job :)
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If you can nail the white balance with an in-camera setting and always use the same light, it is not necessary to get a grey card. I shoot in various settings and find the gray card a useful tool.
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For sure an 18% grey card is a useful thing to have and it works well for setting colour balance, as it is colour neutral, even though that is not it's primary function. You could do the same though with a sheet of white printer paper :)
I see you shoot Olympus and I must admit, I dont know how the custom white balance is set with your system.
I use Canon and it takes me about 5 seconds to take a shot and adjust the white balance to suit the lighting conditions. A lot less effort than altering every shot in post, even if using a preset.
I certainly think you would benefit from trying it and only attempting to be helpful ;-)
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I don't think the camera model matters. Objectively, the human eye doesn't know what the color temperature of the light is, so I don't know what you mean about adjusting the white balance to suit the lighting conditions. White paper can vary in its "whiteness."
My camera lets me set white balance out of doors for sunny, cloudy or shade. I don't believe outdoor light really jumps in increments of 1000 as these settings would imply. Available light indoors is even more chaotic.
As for using "white" paper to sample the white balance, paper manufacturers actually rate numerically the whiteness of their various papers. Papers vary. On the other hand, the gray card is known to be neutral. There is nothing difficult about using it to sample the light during a photo shoot.
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Maybe your camera doesn't have a custom white balance function, I dont know, but would be surprised if it didnt.
It is a very useful tool, especially for working inside under artificial light, as it allows you to match the light falling on the subject.
Though Canon specific, this video explains it far better than I can :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq3yzTPb1Ng
As for the variation in the white in paper, it is pretty small in comparison with how much light temperatures vary. Just having light bouncing off a wall or ceiling, can add more colour cast than the range of whites in paper. Outside, clouds moving across the sky can also effect it more.
I'm not trying to tell you how to shoot, I'm no expert, but I thought this might help for the type of shots you do and save you some work in your editing.
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I got my glass painted. This worked great for me:
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Nice reflection and lighting. Glad it worked so well for you.
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I just discovered this group the other day and really enjoyed reading this tutorial. I've barely had chance to use my new 60D since I got it and so this tutorial gave me the perfect excuse to have a play.


I realise the benefit now of painting the reverse of the glass, presumably that would have solved my duel reflection issue?
More practise needed but it's certainly enjoyable giving it a go!
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Good to hear you enjoyed the tutorial and had fun playing with the glass.
You are correct, painting the reverse of the glass, does eliminate the double reflections, as it cancels out the reflective properties of that face of the glass.
Enjoy your new camera.
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steveblackdog edited this topic 12 months ago.
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steveblackdog: One of the biggest things I miss from my Canon days is that very simple and fast WB reference shot. Pentax has a custom WB option but it is extremely fiddly and I am not 100% convinced it really works.
Originally posted 12 months ago.
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brecklundin edited this topic 12 months ago.
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Firstly Steve - thank you so much for your fabulous tutorial. You and everyone else had completely inspired me to go out and try it for myself.
Got an offcut of 4mm glass today from a glazers. Shredded my hands with the sharp edges, but spray-painted it black. WOW. Who know you could make such a wonderful object? Have now added tape to save my hands from any more cuts.
Anyway, here are two that I got this evening.

I had some difficulty controling the highlights on the left. It was a very troublesome bottle!

This one is my favourite. I love how the background turned out. It took quite some time to get the reflection in the lens under control. Just added some reflector on the left
Thanks again. I'm trying to think of something else to play with tomorrow!
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Guess I take Canons system for setting a custom white balance for granted. It is so quick and easy to use, I dont give it much thought :)
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Glad you found it useful and can see you are getting some good results already.
I'm sure you will find it a useful tool to have around, especially now that you have taped the edges.
A useful reminder to all of us, glass has sharp edges, give it respect and be careful.
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Here's my reflection on glass base photo. Took this image on my computer table days before I found your tutorial. Still, thanks for sharing!
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Alvin Almiranez edited this topic 12 months ago.
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This is one of my first attempts.

Thanks for the instruction and inspiration Steve.
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Hi steve..you are an inspiration my friend :)
here's one of my latest.
custom wb and minor tweaking on levels
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Thanks guys, glad to see this is still proving useful :)
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Oh my! Your initial post had stunning results. Between those and many of the posted attempts by others, the doors of creative inspiration have been thrown wide open. I am almost overwhelmed with idea's and can't wait to start trying some out. Great idea for a thread, thank you!
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