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yup - total googlebait - the feb2005 deadline though might be a little tight. who knows though...
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When ludi sells it off to a player like google that will be the end of my interest in it.
Hopefully ludi wouldn't even think of selling a commodity like Flickr.
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google will build it themselves out of hello/picasa + blogger
yahoo needs flickr much more than google does.
i wouldn't be surprised if yahoo has already made an offer.
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TheSeuss, I'd respectfully suggest that's a bit unfair.
Look at Blogger. It went from being a fine service with extra-cost premium features to an excellent, more robust, and completely free service. Google kept the Blogger team intact, and built upon the team's successes rather than scrapping the service for parts.
I have no insider knowledge with either Flickr or Google, but I can say pretty confidently that Google would only improve upon an already excellent service.
Why do you feel differently?
And Striatic... I'd note that Google doesn't have a very good track record in integration. Can you point to a single set of services that they've integrated really well? Gmail and Groups? Groups and Orkut? Don't think so.
Sure, there's Hello/Picasa/Blogger, but the Blogger UI / infrastructure does not seem well suited for galleries or flexible-permission sharing.
But you do raise the point that Yahoo may indeed be gunning for Flickr, too ;)
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Let's just say I like small teams in small companies far more than small teams in large companies. That and I am far more confident in Ludicorp improving upon their excellent service than counting on anyone else to do the same.
PS. I don't like blogger & never have but I find it less palatable under google.
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yahoo has yahoo photos, which could really use some big improvements in my opinion. yahoo has a solid history with yahoo groups, and i think that flickr fits into the groups model very well.
i think you underestimate flickr's independence. they have apparently turned down acquisition offers before, and you shouldn't assume that they really want to be google's second banana.
maybe they will or maybe they won't, but there is nothing 'natural' about google+flickr. any acquistion of flickr would take much shoehorning to effect.
i wouldn't bet on it.
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and google doesn't need to acquire flickr to get at the metadata and images, that part of your case is a bit tenuous. if google is interested in flickr, it is as a service plain and simple.
it isn't like they bought blogger so they could index the blog posts there. they were doing that regardless.
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finally, google doesn't need the existing userbase of flickr.
"brought to you by google" generates instant userbase {see orkut or gmail}
"brought to you by yahoo" does not. flickr could really help them out in that respect.
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Maked [deleted] says:
I'd like to see Google buy Microsoft. That would be a switch.
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hey bouyz and girrls...
here is something
EPIC
it is pain to load on my machine, but if you get to the end of it... you might wonder a bit.
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intutum, thanks for sharing that. It's excellent.
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ha ha .. the EPIC thing.
i half died laughing when i first watched that.
the "this will merge with that" is hilarious speculation, especially the names they come up with for the merged companies. the narration is also extremely over the top.
the idea of algorithmically written news stories, however, is a very interesting one.
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I was really disappointed in that "EPIC" presentation. I think there are so many fascinating issues to discuss regarding personalization, privacy, cultural sharing, and so on... and this movie was all gloss, little substance.
Issues that could have been addressed:
- Even today, many people simply read the Sports section and ignore the Business or Travel or even Top Stories sections of newspapers. People are "personalizing" already.
- How might increased personalization increase or decrease global awareness?
- Would such changes in the news radically change international politics?
- Would people spend more time consuming the news each day? Less?
- Would Googlezon be intensely regulated by the federal government?
- Who would pay the up-front costs of in-depth investigation reports?
...and many more.
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many people simply read the Sports section
That's perfectly fine with me. You see, I never read the Sports section. Sharing the paper with those people becomes a nice, happy bridge between my world and theirs.
(indeed, I'm not being serious)
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I predict Flickr will buy Google in 2006!! =0)
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I'd like to see Google buy Flickr.
Yaya, sounds cool...
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1. great that some of you got to watch the EPIC thing, and comment on it. it has been circulating for a while in the blogosphere.
2. such future scenarios always have a very high probability of being wrong, like most speculation.
3. i have no clue who actually authored the script on it, my guess is that it was not Microsoft.
I have no clue as to what Google and Flickr will do, in either the near future or further down the line, however the speculation on this discussion has been entertaining.
To my knowledge Google has one serious competitor... one that nobody ever mentions. So I am curious what they will do in all of this.
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Are you speaking of Yahoo, or...?
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Heh, no, not Yahoo.
intutum is talking about... you know, them.
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Ludicorp, obviously.
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i know them, i know the technology, and i know google fears them, so much so that not a word is ever mentioned about them. there is a stealth somewhere in the semantic web. go find it!
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They're generally not talked about in this space, but you're right intutum.
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ve3cnu [deleted] says:
Good call Adam!
betterdigitalphotography.blogspot.com/2004/12/flickr-gets...
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Maked [deleted] says:
Ok, I'll bite. WHO IS "THEM"?
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I believe the founders of blogger have left Google. Small company cultures into big company cultures very rarely work well, no matter how "great" said big company is to work for. Subsequently, the culture of the product that was purchased changes as well, for better and worse.
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Maked [deleted] says:
EVERY business starts out small, even Microsoft was once small. Apple started out in a living room and garage. It's a myth that business "just appear". Almost all businesses start with one person and idea. True, most don't become giants, but those that do are usually started by "nobodies" with an idea who become giants of industry, art, science, or in whatever field they excel.
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Of course all companies start out small, but that doesn't change the fact that big company cultures are different than small company cultures. Different employees want/require different types of work environments and office politics. Even as small companies get larger, they start to see attrition from employees with less than 3 digit ID numbers.
In addition, "small" products/companies that have been acquired by a larger company will see some improvements and some mishaps after the acquisition. Unless, of course, you're IBM, where the mantra is, all acquisitions will fail miserably. Lotus Notes being a prime example.
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It's my understanding that -- of the Blogger folks who came over to Google initially (most of them, I believe) -- only one has left. That's Evan (Evhead), and he left within the last month or two.
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I think Evan left several months ago, as I remember his farewell notice on Blogger. That said, I use Blogger for my blog and think it's excellent -- never crashed and I've never had a single piece of spam. How's that MT? And it's free, which I have no objection to.
The short side is that Blogger has very little interactivity, which is the strong suit of Flickr. So a merger of Google/Blogger and Flickr, in my opinion, would be a good thing, although Flickr in it's current state is doing just fine.
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I'd have to agree with FriskoDude about Blogger. I like it too, though it sometimes gets really, really slow, or at worst, inaccessible, but other than that it's a great basic blogging tool sans spam.
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eh_notsomuch [deleted] says:
Good prediction. I'll take a piece of that action.
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I believe intutum has the where-with-all to read inbetween the lines...
A small fact to be considered...The NSA has placed 12 multi-blade terabit storage capable servers (bought from RLX Technologies,inc.) into Google's new Atlanta facility...
Do you really think that gmail is being "read" solely for targeting ads at you ?
or perhaps you are being databased to the extremes already, with the Govt profiling you illegally ?
I say boycott Google NOW. Let's just see how quickly they do imitate Amazon by selling all customers personal info to ChoicePoint, inc. whose main customer is the Govt. Poindexter's TIA lives...and WE the people are the victims of lost privacy !
See : EPIC.org
or : EFF.org
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> The NSA has placed 12 multi-blade terabit storage capable servers (bought
> from RLX Technologies,inc.) into Google's new Atlanta facility...
Cite from an authoritative source?
> Do you really think that gmail is being "read" solely for tageting ads at you ?
Yes.
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thatadamguy:
>Cite from an authoritative source?
inside info from both companies...
>> Do you really think that gmail is being "read" solely for tageting ads at you ?
>Yes.
dual nic cards in promiscuious mode hooked directly from NSA servers to gmail servers....
You are wrong !
(fyi: I found this site via your page via a mutual friend's page... I am surprised you don't have more of a clue!)
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Maked [deleted] says:
D4rkst4t, that's odd..........the only EFF HACKER CON I've ever been to in my life was in ATLANTA. I'm not joking. In fact, it's every year, during DragonCon. Maybe the EFF is really a tool of the government trying to fool us all?
If Google is really working with the NSA, I'm betting someone inside Google will BLOG it.
Now, I'm all for paranoia, but unless you can back it up with facts, it's meaningless.
Let's see. Earthlink is in Atlanta.......Apple owns part of Earthlink...... Ted Turner is Atlanta, who owns CNN, and the Atlanta Braves. I'm betting the "Tomahawk Chop" is some sort of secret cyber signal to the "in control" Illuminati watching in some remote location in inside the Hills of Western Georgia who report directly to Guantanimo Bay that is relayed by satellite to Baghdad then double looped back to Washington. Or something like that.
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Ha! Good one lhc1 - you're pretty funny when you lighten up :-)
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Maked [deleted] says:
Dogs, I'm always lightened up. I guess you just NEVER got the joke. And, the Hacker Con I refer to is real, as are at least two more Hacker Cons each year in Atlanta. If fact, if FLICKR wants a lesson in Cons, ask the DragonCon folks for advice. It's truly one of the most unreal events around. People fly from all over the country, Canada, and Europe for this event. It's not just big. It's a monster.
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lhc1:
it's the EFGA, not EFF that runs a track at DragonCon. The EFF has provided speakers for the track. The track is not
a "hackers" track even though it includes some hackers panels. It's an information track dealing with issues encountered in conjunction with the internet.
There is only one hacker con in Atlanta now days: Interz0ne
and perhaps I may just be the informed source ? and this may be the whistle blow blog.......
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Maked [deleted] says:
The InterZone guy was at the last computer event I was at during DragonCon. I have seen advertisements for other Hacker Cons in Atlanta, but never attended. Of course the Con I'm really going to miss after next year is Fantasm, since it is the last year. They just keep getting kicked out of hotels, year after year. Oh well, all things must end. I guess it will go the way of Sanctuary.....have we met at DragonCon?
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makes sense to me. let's wait and see. but i like to see 1.0 first :)
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Looks like, at least in the short term, I was mistaken. I hope the ludicorpians forgive me ;-)
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