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Nowhere in that article does it state that the photographer intended for the collection of photos to be Art, or that the writer of the article considered them as Art.
The article is about photojournalism.
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Okay, good point, it is never mentioned as art. It is a documentary project though; I'm not completely convinced that's the same as photojournalism.
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Yeah i think its art due 2 the conception and the fact that the shooter is a trained person..tho ur rite it looks like facebook...the result is commercial in the sense that the bar owner, staff, & patrons got so much out of it...art has immediate social value and thats why bbc was interested...brits luv alcohol & taverns...art has a way of rubbing people the wrong way 2 because {with photos} the subjects own it in a sense or they own their image...art takes ones personal possession of reality and reveals a fresh and immediate counter reality 2 deal with...art allows folk 2 measure the artwork.. art is socially dynamic and the artist/ barkeeper had 2 wade into her world artistically
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Photo essay maybe. points for trying but it doesn't tell me any story or makes me want to know more.
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Everyone is a photojournalist these days of course :o)
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From the article: "For me this is undeniably a powerful set of pictures, fresh and inventive. It's shot in a simple honest way and captures the atmosphere of the bar."
One of the comments left was: "5. At 2:07pm on 20 Nov 2009, Mr Gareth Lloyd wrote:
New talent ?! You can see poorly shot snaps of drunks like this on half the pages on Facebook, I'm sorry but calling this a "story" or project cheapens the concept of a degree in photography."
I'm in complete agreement with this comment by Mr. Lloyd. How exactly is it 'fresh and inventive' when I can see this on half of my friends' Facebook pages?
I cannot see this as photojournalism. It really doesn't tell a story, other than Here are some point-and-shoot photos of a bunch of people drinking in a bar. Hardly news. Hardly worth 'journalism' - photo or otherwise.
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I thought it was universal knowledge that art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
I remember a so called artist in central america that had an exhibit of a live dog. He basically starved the poor thing to death and those that visited his show thought he was a genius. damn the elitist in latin america. grrr.
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I thought it was also universal knowledge that just because some 'says' it's something doesn't actually mean it is something.
If I pick my nose and flick it onto my computer monitor ... just because I say it's abstract realism doesn't actually make it abstract realism. It's still just a booger on my monitor.
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well, that depends if you framed the booger by the thirds rule, or whatever that rule is. =)
By the way, how do I quote people using their icon? I'm such a newbie.
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The little tiny icon Denalli Joy is using is a GreaseMonkey script, or you can do this:
By enclosing someone's profile URL (right click on name, click Copy link address or whatever your browser does) in square brackets.
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Art is what is considered by pretentious twats trying to sell you something to be art. This is the rule of art.
A similar analogy is the fable of the Emperor's New Clothes.
Seems to me that the ruler's todger is well and truly out in this case.
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Son, u r correct 2 point out the absurdity of some art and of its elites...the world is led by just this kind...trend is art in a highly commercial and info society. The public relations and fashion elites can set things off.
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C-Ali wrote Yeah i think its art due 2 the conception and the fact that the shooter is a trained person..tho ur rite it looks like facebook...the result is commercial in the sense that the bar owner, staff, & patrons got so much out of it...art has immediate social value and thats why bbc was interested...brits luv alcohol & taverns...art has a way of rubbing people the wrong way 2 because {with photos} the subjects own it in a sense or they own their image...art takes ones personal possession of reality and reveals a fresh and immediate counter reality 2 deal with...art allows folk 2 measure the artwork.. art is socially dynamic and the artist/ barkeeper had 2 wade into her world artistically
Am I the last bastion of not taking any comment typed like this seriously regardless of merit?
Son? Patronising?
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It's a Firefox browser script for Greasemonkey. You can get greasemonkey here and you can find great scripts here.
Or, what said.
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Am I the last bastion of not taking any comment typed like this seriously regardless of merit?
No - I can't take it seriously either. It's not patronising, it's sensible - if someone can't express their thoughts clearly, are they worth the effort of deciphering?
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Am I the last bastion of not taking any comment typed like this seriously regardless of merit?
Nope again - I didn't even read what he said. I tried to but got a few lines in and my head started to hurt. I gave up.
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Flet©h wrote Am I the last bastion of not taking any comment typed like this seriously regardless of merit?
Nope again - I didn't even read what he said. I tried to but got a few lines in and my head started to hurt. I gave up.
ur hed started 2 hurt? wai?
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To prevent this thread conforming to FC sterotypes I'm going to drag it away from a spelling debate and back on topic (since it is genuinely interesting)
Calling the shots facebooky is probably a bit harsh but I can see where the critisism comes from, espcially given the way the images are presented on the blog post.
I'm sure as descreet piece of work they have more impact, common themes running though with specific elements coming to prominence. You can't see this unless you see it as it is designed to be presented.
Is it interesting to me? Yes it probably is
Do I like it? I'm not sure I would by a book of it but I do see merit in it.
Is its art? Who gives a fuck.
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Yeay. I did it! thanks!
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This is my favouite quote from the comments section of the blog
As part of my major progect at university I had to write a computer program to model the emission spectrum of a type of interstellar dust.
While I am obviously aware that any direct comparison between subjects is difficult, I have to wonder if hours spent in front of a computer screen and books working out something that complicated can equate to an equal level of academic achievement as going to your local club/place of work with a few cameras and snapping photos wildly while having fun.
The engineer in my is inclined to agree. I do wonder if studying "emission spectrum of a type of interstellar dust" is actually preferable to working in Flares!
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Well, it depends on whether they looked up the formula and then wrote it in C or if it was more difficult than that ;o)
I'm a bit taken aback by the selection of these 12 out of the best part of 2000 shots, actually.
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Of the four I can see, they're fakkin awful and tell me nothing about the venue or the people. Random, badly composed, apparently thoughtless ...
Not that piss joints clubs or club people are generally of much interest anyway. HST, I've got a couple of Favs from contacts attending gigs!
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As I said already, if some pretentious twat says it's art and a rich idiot buys it, it's art.
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perhaps the person featured in the article and Fritz the cat need to colaborate on a project together...
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Art is a process not a thing.
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This thread reminds me of the cheesy yet great film, THE SHAPE OF THINGS, starring rachel weisz as an art student.
Ahhh rachel weisz... would totally hit that.
Anyways, I just finished reading all the comments in that blog..quite entertaining!
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This question reminds me of the book, Oh My Irrelevant Comment by Ivor Bool-Sheat.
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Twiglets make me violent.
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Twiglets make me hungry.
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I had to google twiglets. =(
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Is it butt art?
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Stewie's take on photog's
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi8A5bsbmUM
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she explains it all here... (albeit in the third person)
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If I could convince a bunch of rich jackasses to pay craploads of money for lousy photos, I would call it "art" too. Maybe if I was lucky Sheppard Farley would steal one and lie about it.
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Uninteresting material .
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It's hard to say if it's art or not but it COULD be. It all comes down to the viewer and how it's presented. The pictures themselves are obviously snapshots but some old snapshots from 100 years ago are an alternate window into the past and sometimes even considered art. Despite the pictures not being very technically good I think they could be presented in such a way that they would be desirable to the right people.
As for that starving dog BS that was never proven to be true and was most likely an internet hoax.
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Actually I'm fairly certain I've seen much better bar shots on Facebook. It's not at all interesting; a woman flashing her tits and a guy with his pants down is more hangover fodder than art to me.
& to : hoax?
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