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@ mikeossur - I was thinking more about the benefit to Yahoo! in general rather than Flickr specifically. I can understand why people might have concerns but I don't see the point in worrying about it at the moment. I think the Flickr community is pretty strong and would survive no matter what.
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You can cross your fingers and hope MS leaves Flickr alone while they "concentrate" on the Yahoo side of things for a while. But considering they've been developing a "Flickr Killer" for over a year, combined with the SeaDragon and Photosynth tech, I would say that Flickr is likely a very visible and prominent element of the glint in their eye.
The tech is impressive, but the deal with the devil to get it is pretty steep. I would hate for Flickr to be the test bed for MS's "let's see if this will beat Google" tech demos.
I can't think of one thing that Microsoft hasn't absorbed that hasn't been subsumed and leeched of all function after a year or two. if anyone has any examples to the contrary, it would go a long way towards me having regular bowel movements again.
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@elementalPaul - I think you underestimate the anti-microsoft camp. Yahoo at least had a track record of not really messing with their purchases (apart from geocities) and I personally think that the likes of flickr and del.icio.us have been treated fairly by them.
Microsoft are different though. I cant think of one thing theyve touched that hasnt melted. Their online offerings are by far the worst of yahoo, google & MS and I'd hate to see yahoo or anything it owns be reduced to something like hotmail or ms-live.
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Here's a little bit of analysis on the subject:
news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,39292572,00.htm
On the grounds that a MS/Yahoo merger has the potential to be a viable competitor to Google in the on-line world (instead of two impotent ones), and on the philosophical grounds that competition is good for innovation, this has a possibility of being a good thing.
We can only hope.
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a quote from another list of which i am a part (pro photographers).. poster to remain anonymous...
A racing certainty that MS will be thinking of 'monetizing' Flickr (as Dan Heller has repeatedly argued is inevitable) and leaving the ailing Getty covered in dust, shit and shrapnel, and come to that, the remains of the stock industry too.
ooooh the rumour mill...
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@ .john. - I'm trying to think glass half-full! I'm thinking two separate companies: the core Microsoft business would concentrate on the Windows operating system and let Yahoo! get on with the on-line side of things as it's what they do best. Splitting into two companies could help solve some of the anti-trust issues Microsoft has too.
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After doing some reading about Microsofts 'flickr killers' Seadragon and Photosynth, I think flickr would be used to enhance those products. Infact the photosynth tech demo shows images being pulled from flickr to create a detailed picture of the Notredam Cathedral.
Looking at the technologies though, the reliance on DirectX and other proprietary formats is horrible. From the Seadragon homepage = " The Seadragon team is currently tuning its DirectX implementation, making the most of the new Windows Media Photo format"
*shudder*
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AMDM - photography [deleted] says:
Microsoft possibly buying yahoo. I don't think it will effect Flickr all that much. It may effect yahoo mail & messenger though. Everyone panicked when Yahoo bought Flickr a lot even left Flickr myself included. But I came back. I came back because Flickr to me is # 1 on a photo site. I'll have to see if the buy out really happens first then see what all takes place after. It may not be so bad. I won't go to a Mac for sure. If things turn ugly here at Flickr with Microsoft behind it all then , well I do have an alternate site to post photos with great security if need be. So lets all relax and see what happens. Someone said something about a lot of security updates. True Microsoft do have a lot of these. But are they really that bad ? I think security updates are good.
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@Paul: I wish I thought the same but Microsofts track record is not one of buying out and then letting be. A well used example is hotmail (which used to be great), but countless others. I think flickr had worked pretty well with yahoo, but only because theyve basically left them alone. Microsoft won't leave flickr be, it will be integrated into spaces, or live, or whatever that whole MSN.com portal is called.
I baulked at the though of Yahoo buying flickr (and they proved a lot of people wrong) but this feels worse.
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So Old Skool (gmail ID login for Flickr) led to New Skool (yahoo ID login) will lead to Newer Skool (hotmail ID login).
Wait a few more years, and once Google acquires Microsoft, this will lead to Even Newer Skool (gmail login - same as the old flickr ID login I had in 2003)
plus ca change
whatever.
As long as Flickr continues to be reliable, and I can still post photos, look at my contacts' and friends' photos, participate in discussions and hone my craft I'm happy.
why worry about something that I cannot control?
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the core Microsoft business would concentrate on the Windows operating system and let Yahoo! get on with the on-line side of things as it's what they do best.
wishful thinking, and I am being kind by putting it that way. (delusional)
Flickr is one of the Crown Jewels of the Web 2.0 world, and if I were M$, I would be thinking it could be one of the most visible places in the Yahoo portfolio to 'display' how wonderful the potential of a corporate 'Synergy' (80's corp-speak from the corporate raiders days) to the world and the Internet community. (can you say PR coup - disaster for the users of the Flickr system)
I have had a a recent C-level dealing with M$ (18 months ago), they were angling to hire me for their new Paid Search product called Ad Center. After 7 interviews I had had enough of the M$ arrogance and told them what I thought of their strategy. Ad Center has not baan a big success since the launch, they totally miss the point and the targeted user base, in typical M$ fashion. I might snarkely add)
The M$ 'campus' with arrogant corporate ass-licking clowns who do not have a creative of innovative bone in their Corporate Body.
I will no leave Flickr, but I am not happy about the turn of events. This is already a done deal, folks.
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There's Linux.
I don't want a hotmail email address, nor having the non-standards of Internet Explorer forced further on me or anyone else.
Microsoft are doing long term damage to internet standards & the more they own the worse it will be. In times past Microsoft made fresh progress with software. These days they act to maintain dependency.
Using Microsoft is to to be subject to layers of bureaucratic abstraction designed to isolate one from reality. It is a control & enforced dependency technique.
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poor flickr has been going through changes with all this corporate take over stuff....wowow
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Well said !
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Can´t Google buy Yahoo? Or at least Flickr. Picasa is the shit anyways - but yahoo maps suck too. ;)
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@ seawallrunner - yup, I don't think there's any point in worrying about things that a) are in the distant future and b) may not happen at all.
As an aside I was looking the Microsoft website the other day and when I moved between tabs (I'm using Firefox on a Mac) and went back to the Microsoft page I always had to do a refresh so I could read it properly. It strikes me as rather arrogant that Microsoft doesn't even bother to check their web-page browser compatibility and probably goes against some kind of web standards (or if it doesn't it should).
@ Tarky7 - I'm elementalPaul :-) Yes I think Microsoft is unwieldy too which is why I think it should concentrate on working on its OS (I hear it needs a little work!) and let Yahoo get on with the funky web stuff.
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Deleting the help forum thread on this is classic.
Everyone reading this seems to be considered about how Flickr will change. That's not the point here, I'll be leaving even if it doesn't change -- because Microsoft essentially believes anyone writing software for non-Microsoft platforms (especially Linux) is doing something inferior and illegal.
They continuously lobby for lock-in and against open standards. They make unprovable allegations about stolen IP that is simply not there... and they get away with it again and again. They are a huge company bordering on monopoly, sure, but more importantly they are a very unethical one that does not believe in playing nice with other software players.
On the web, there are also a lot of IE only codecs and plugins (ActiveX, WMP, etc) and these kinds of sucky tools are acceptable to Microsoft not because they are better (they are not), but because they encourage further lockin -- this doesn't look right on Firefox/Safari etc. I will suspect you would see M$ specific features added to Flickr and they will use Flickr as a lever to keep people on their platform by coming out with more Microsoft/Flickr specific tools. Even if that doesn't happen though, remember, they are still evil.
This is more about ethics than features.
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@elementalPaul: and even more so, that web-standards are no rocket-science. in fact it's easy compared to developing something like the "Office-Suite"...
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6 Reasons Why IE6 Must Die
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@ _mpd_ - I believe the help forum topics were deleted because that forum is for technical issues with Flickr. Things are already bad enough there with users who need genuine help posting duplicate help topics (admittedly stymied by the poor search facility on the forum). FlickrCentral is a much better place for idle speculation (or idol speculation if you really love Bill Gates) and scaremongering :-)
@ malanalars - I concur with regards to the web standards!
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@_mpd_
get ready to have your pics DRMed, so your friends can´t download them ;-)
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Semantic Web
New, Improved *Semantic* Web!
Microformats
The Aniti-M$
Microsoft soon picked up the art of FUD from IBM, and throughout the 80's used FUD as a primary marketing tool, much as IBM had in the previous decade. They ended up out FUD-ding IBM themselves during the OS2 vs Win3.1 years.
Microsoft invented modern FUD
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_mpd_ Deleting the Help Forum threads, you mean.
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microsoft may be evil, but they aint stupid. They are bound to see Flickr as one of the gems in the deal and, I'm willing to bet, will recognise a buch of apple addicts and will want to do everything it can to look like the good guys.
And I think that one of the best thing that could hapen to Flickr is that someone with MS's big bucks manages to 'monetize' Flickr by making the 'marketplace' concept of selling your images online, that Thomas Hawk is so keen on, a reality. At a stroke, MS finds a way to compete with Getty and gives us all a chance of creating a revenue stream without having to spend hours on istockphoto.
Happy days.
[ducks]
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> get ready to have your pics DRMed, so your friends can´t download them
Haha.. since Murdoch brought M$ in to provide .net / IIS as the platform for MySpace they've done an absolutely stellar job of keeping users private photos private...
it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/25/1845206
thepiratebay.org/search/myspace%20/0/99/0
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@LCA: I certainly dont want flickr monitised. I use it as a way to share my photos with my friends/family and the wider world. I cant imagine dollar signs everywhere and BUY THIS PHOTO NOW flash adverts.
never mind the fact that it would likely only provide buying options in U.S. currency.
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"oh yeah, great new flickr features from a m$ synergy
IIS Server Errors"
A late response I know, but you do realise that's a 404 error? You'd be going some to slate IIS based on a page not being found.
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"Haha.. since Murdoch brought M$ in to provide .net / IIS as the platform for MySpace they've done an absolutely stellar job of keeping users private photos private..."
Yes, not checking a user is authenticated and just bouncing allowing direct requests just because they happen to have an ID is clearly Microsoft's fault.
Can we please stick with the sensible complaints, like IE6 is a pile of shite, or Bill Gates eats babies please?
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That's the DEVELOPER putting in a BAD LINK. What do you want it to do when it's pointed at a file that isn't there and hasn't been otherwise caught by the programmer? Put money in your account? Send a kitten to a random Romanian orphan?
*bangs head against wall*
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Microsoft have already got their foot in the door with Flickr as it's integrated into their new Live Photo Gallery software.
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@DWood: Yeah but thats just using the publically available API's. I do think that they will use flickr's userbase/photos to push their Photosynth software though.
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This is a nightmarish prospect.... hell bend on owning the world!!! Just can't get away from Bill Grates ....
As for 404 errors it always seems to be an MS issue..
MS based sites...
MySpace maybe stellar for MS users, not so for us Apple users, MS intentionally locks us out of many features that
work for MS os & boxes..
MySpace = Photobucket a photo sharing site.. hmmm
MAC is (Media Access Control)
Apple computers are Mac
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Jobs has a great marketing capacity and maybe the things that I despise about Apple business practices aren't really him but it is his company and he claims to be in charge so there lies the blame. MS monopoly lawsuits were about bundling and platform advantage. Apple does both but with only 5% of the market nobody really cares. Ipod - great example of monopoly, buy this so you have to use my software. Itunes, you have to buy our hardware to use the music you bought. BTW EU is investigating itunes... You apparently also forgot about the battery issues to keep people buying new ipods. Iphone I'm not going to list it's shortcomings since they are so abundant (except for maybe Alpine - wtf Jobs?)
MAC is better than Windows (they are both Personal Computers) is the pot calling the kettle black. They are both evil empires.
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Bill Gates, at least, seemed to know what he was doing when he founded Corbis.
Gates is stepping down from his full-time role at Microsoft in July 2008 so it could be an interesting transitional time for the company as a whole.
Apropos of nothing it was alarming how quickly Internet Explorer crushed Netscape Navigator. I smiled when Apple launched Safari for Windows though :-)
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Yeah, IIS and MS$ servers suck too. I was getting a constant botnet attack (Login: Administrator) from a IP and discovered it was MS$ 2003 Server. Gee, how pathetic. The internet is humming with these botnets eating up bandwidth.
MS$ goal is to use all MS$ proprietary plugins so you have to have MS$ as your desk top or the competition has to buy into the MS$ standards and license agreements. I am happy the EU is suing!
I think Flickr.com would be too much of a golden goose not to screw.
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@ Soubrause: But the more fruit-oriented evil empire is a very benevolent employer than the Redmond one, I can say first-hand (having worked shortly at one offshoot of MS and then for much longer directly with Apple).
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I am going to wait and see what happens before I decide whether to run around like a headless chicken on which the sky is falling.
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@Soubrase
I have no argument with you brother but Apple is not a Monopoly Threatening competition at all levels. Apples stuff is not total crap either. I doubt there are too many botnets coming from Apple machines.
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@ iansand - good advice!
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*headless Tarky7 running around on two legs, blood spurting from neck*
*head of Tarky7 on the ground, silently mouthing 'The Sky is Falling'*
*Battle Scarred, Heavily Armored Interstellar Battle Cruiser appears out of the clouds to land squarely in Flickr Central Plaza were Tarky7 is running about, squashing both head and body flat*
*Battle Scarred, Heavily Armored Interstellar Battle Cruiser door opens, out walks Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer with MS flag, plants M$ squarely in Flickr Central Plaza*
Gates: "I love the smell of freshly burning photos in the morning !"
Ballmer: "Smells like Victory !
;)
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I am not too worried. If MS$ does not get what the web is about now. How is Yahoo going to help them get smarter?
They will piss away their user base. I suspect 25% will leave (including me) when the deal goes through and the other 50%
will leave in frustration to Google or to other photo sites. Leaving the bottom 25% which will probably be mostly Spammers and MS dorks.
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> out walks Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer
Ballmer.... *shudder
watch out for flying chairs...!*!
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"Using Microsoft is to to be subject to layers of bureaucratic abstraction designed to isolate one from reality. It is a control & enforced dependency technique."
Hmmm, kinda sounds like Scientology. No wonder I don't like M$... :-)
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Okay, I give in. Microsoft created 404 errors. They are a totally non-standard error and only IIS ever returns them.
Apache can always find broken links, even if it has to hire private detectives out of its own pocket to do so.
Can we at least all agree that the Yahoo maps suck arse and should be replaced with either Live or Google ones at the earliest available opportunity?
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@~RobW~
I hope this makes you feel better. This is from my Apache logs.
404 Document Not Found 282 98.9 % 98.08 KB
302 Moved temporarily (redirect) 3 1 % 34.50 KB
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Slightly.
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Yahoo Maps Suck Arse
Yahoo Bid Backfire If Microsoft Can't Change?
Link
Breaking Speculation Washington Post
"Microsoft has never been one to let go of its vision or proprietary interests too easily; when acquiring companies, it usually subsumes the products and services and brands them as its own."
"In the areas of online search and particular services, and as an online destination for users, Yahoo is a stronger brand than Microsoft. Microsoft must recognize this and be willing to give up some of its interest in new content and services branded, respectively, under MSN and Windows Live to make the deal successful, said Ned May, director and lead analyst for market research firm Outsell.
"The big question is, will Microsoft take this and recognize it for being a stronger property and migrate its efforts there, or will it try to push its own efforts out through Yahoo?" he asked. "Historically, there's no precedent for it to do anything but use [an acquired company] to get Microsoft's message out."
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I think Yahoo should change it's name to MicroHoo ! MS\Yahoo just does'nt make any sense! so a name change would be better i think! even thow it will never happen!
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Wow, that's a lot of exclamation marks. Do you work for Yahoo?
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Andrew the PhotoShop Artist If Bill Gates buys Yahoo - flickr belongs to him.
[edit]this made more sense before Andrew deleted his second post[/edt]
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*Tarky7 puts head in hands*
*Tarky7 sobbing and laughing hysterically*
'perhaps it is time to move somewhere far far away... this once great land of ours is becoming a land of diminished intelligence..."
"MicroHoo"
*LOL*
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MicroHoo has a nice ring to it. Lol
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I'm afraid
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
The first time I get a message that says,
"Sorry, you must have {insert name of crap Microsoft software} installed in order to use this feature."
I am outta here...
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Well, I'm off to Whistler. Toodle pip!
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oooh indeed.
I was a bit overwhelmed at seeing that yahoo news headline this morning.
I am a satisfied user of yahoo mail also.
I once had MSN mail, back in the middle 90s and i called this mail, "Glacier mail", as each messege came up soooo slowly, took forever to go from one messege to another, at that time yahoo was much faster.
so what could result??
I suspect that microsoft will be *much* more involved with its
"products' than yahoo is now!
thus no "separation of flickr and microsoft"!
I see it now, 3,981 pics of babies and shots of trips to the mall and pics of parties and weddings,
FOR THE MAJORITY....flicke will become, i suspect.
that is....for the rest of humanity who have just bought their brand new cam and want to take pics of anything that moves or does not move!
solution: go over to that "exclusive" high tech, highbrow site where your photo will now be seen by 3 people a month with a comment added once per quarter and maybe the site will end in a year due to amatuar hostings and techness.
or just live with the babies and the Shots aplenty!!
I recall that when the arpnet [?] went from 800 registered users, mostly professors and acemedics and scientists, mostly all with a IQ of 140 and Professionals all, why they were outraged that their exclusive comfort zone was going to be made wide WIDE open to all of humanity as the Internet was born and now any high school kid and any redneck/hoser could enter their sacroscant forums, their sacred intelligenguia stronghold!
the worse that maybe could happen is that yahoo mail, msn mail, yahoo groups, microsofts image site, all merge together, their image site and flickr become ONE!
If *that* were to happen, i will have to see what will be, then i might well Go On to something else.
oh "horrors": suppose microsoft comes out with something BETTER?!
freestone
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In the hubris and analyst hot air hype about Microsoft vs Google the fact that Microsoft and Yahoo! are direct competitors in many markets seems to be forgotten.
Microsoft have a legacy of leveraging their dominant position to subsume or destroy competition (remember Netscape anyone?).
One road to increased wealth is to create a monopoly, which gives an incentive for a company to exploit a market or resource, confident that they make all of the profits when all other competitors are driven out of business.
"One of Netscape's stated goals was to "level the playing field" among operating systems by providing a consistent web browsing experience across them. The Netscape web browser interface was identical on any computer. Netscape later experimented with prototypes of a web-based system which would enable users to access and edit their files anywhere across a network, no matter what computer or operating system they happened to be using.
This did not escape the attention of Microsoft, which viewed the commoditization of operating systems as a direct threat to its bottom line. It is alleged that several Microsoft executives visited the Netscape campus in June 1995 to propose dividing the market. "
Flickr should follow Netscape's lead (Mozilla/FireFox), open a scaled down version of the source code and release this under a free software license.
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I've been involved with too many companies that have been bought out by Microsoft over the years to feel good about this deal. From a purely financial standpoint, I'm all for it. From a usability standpoint, I'll start using my own photo gallery more often and will open it up to others to use.
If anyone is interested I wrote a little rant about this earlier this morning.
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Ha-ha-ha-ha!! Just wait until China buys America. Oh, I forgot it already has... Oops.
Um... Well, maybe I'm completely insane (no comment,please) or just deluded, but I don't think there's anything to worry about. I suspect one of the reasons MS is interested in Yahoo! is because Yahoo! owns Flickr. Flickr is so f****ing fabulous that when Facebook and MySpace have finally gone extinct Flickr will still be around. The groundwork for its wonderfulness has already laid. Eventually it will incorporate the same concept as YouTube - believe me, it's coming.
Or maybe we should blame this on Heather. Eveeeeryyyything is her fault around here anyway. Is that OK with you Heather?
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@RubyMae:
"_mpd_ Deleting the Help Forum threads, you mean. "
yes. While Flickr Central clearly isn't a bad place to discuss this, it's also only a very small part of Flickr ... people that find it that are very into the community aspects and many are from when groups were much more prominently presented.
Good communities have open forums to discuss these things, and lately "The Forum" has moved to bury that sort of thing (like sidelining Flickr Ideas and ignoring most input there). It is nice we can discuss it here, but here is really small compared to the size of the Flickrverse -- and even smaller when you consider not everyone here actively reads/posts.
Well, there viewpoint of "let's not get everyone leaving now" is scary too. They are right to want to squash that impulse.
I will totally miss this place if this happens -- it won't be about Flickr -- it'll be about not giving any money to Microsoft, who has pretty much come out and said (as a Linux user and open source software developer) they are my enemy.
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"And I think that one of the best thing that could hapen to Flickr is that someone with MS's big bucks manages to 'monetize' Flickr by making the 'marketplace' concept of selling your images online, that Thomas Hawk is so keen on, a reality. At a stroke, MS finds a way to compete with Getty and gives us all a chance of creating a revenue stream without having to spend hours on istockphoto."
when it comes to microstock (and trust me, this is what flickr will be....) the little guy (i.e you...) doesn't make much coin. (unless you call revenue a couple of bucks....)
the big guy (i.e microsoft) is in the fortunate posoition of lording it over a huge population of plebians with digital SLR's who churn out what is essentially standard stock photography (a la istockphoto.com) in the mistaken belief that they are creating art.... who then flutter their wings and coo in misguided self worth when they sell an image for the equivalent of pocket change.... this why flickr will work (for microsoft) under a 'monetized' system - its overwhelmingly inhabited by a legion of wannabe 'artists' who are actually just idiots with cameras, desperate for validation... even it does only pay them a couple of bucks...
goddamit, it pains me to say it, but if microsoft do turn flickr into a stock libary, i would actually reccomend peolpe to try and put their stock with getty.
mikeossur - if you believe the monetization of flickr is a good thing, then i would highly reccomend not quitting your day job just yet.
if this goes through as predicted and flickr becomes a glorified stock library with social networking as a convenient add on, i would urge peple to review the copyright on their flickr based images asap.
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benroberts edited this topic 18 months ago.
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we're in the New York Times technology blog too...
bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/flickr-users-consider-t...
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mpd,
I don't mean to be a crank about this but Bill Gates, et al., is hardly Charles Manson personified.
Hey, I'm definitely for open source, but I'm also for the complete abolition of copyright - but since most people disagree with me on this I pretend to live in the real world. Microsoft is evil because Capitalism - the particularly American variety - is evil. Gates is only playing the hand he was dealt. Making him or Microsoft into some kind of penultimate hobgoblin is way too facile - be real, OK?
But, hugs 'n kisses, anyway.
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Actually I dont think this is going to negatively influence Flickr. The opposite will be the case.
Microsoft+Yahoo! would have to align themselves against Google and bring competitive services into the war. Google has Picasa, Yahoo! has Flickr, Microsoft has... nothing I have heard of. Flickr is one of the biggest, therefore this one is going to be used to counter Picasa.
Additional funds, additional resources, but similar management (because it worked so far - with success).
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I am a bit disappointed I believed that the $44.6 Billion offer by Microsoft was just for my photostream.
Could be worst, like Exxon that declared an all time U.S profit record of $40.6bn and has seen its shares decline.
newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/s...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7222414.stm
One must wonder what it takes to please such a market.
Posted 18 months ago.
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'war'
okay.... i think something like paintball might be more appropriate, or perhaps a cup of tea and a game of chequers.
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Like one of the members said in a earlier post, the deal is on hold/halted.
This may never happen, maybe yahoo got tired of going to the altar too many times.
I guess $44.6 billion is still not enough!
online.wsj.com/public/us?mod=djm_HAWSJSB_Welcome
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If Microsoftr is so greedy and evil, why are Exxon/Mobil and other Big Oil companies posting record profits and making the most money of any BIG Corporation? Why isn't Exxon/Mobil going after Yahoo or Microsoft for that matter? They have the money to buy out Microsoft. They can buy out the whole world with the obscene profits they're making.
Posted 18 months ago.
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"bollocks !"
No way to 'spin' this without Flickr becoming changed substantially. M$ wins, the Flickr community and eco system loses.
*kicks dog*
"Yelp !"
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What I fail to understand about Microsoft, is why, with all their money (and assumed 'know how') is their search engine so unbelievably shitty... and lets face it, it must be bad, if the main/best solution is to buy a new one daddy please, rather than fix the duff one.
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@StevenM_61
The oil companies own the white house and most of congress. The oil companies are monopoly's too. The
so called free enterprise in America (USA) is in sad shape.
Free enterprise for the rich and connected not too free for the rest of us.
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"I don't mean to be a crank about this but Bill Gates, et al., is hardly Charles Manson personified."
Of course he isn't. Ballmer is.
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is the Founder of Flickr going to do anything if Yahoo get's bought out?
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Andrew The Artìst edited this topic 18 months ago.
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They will try to merge flickr acount with live passport..damn...the quality of the pictures is going down fotolog style..damn....i hope this stay just like a rumor..sorry if there are some mistakes in my writting...its becouse the beer and tequila in my blody
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Oh come on, the "quality" of photos went down hill as soon as they merged with yahoo photos, simply because all the people using yahoo to host all their dire home made porno/crappy low res phone cam pics moved here. No, I'm not being snobby, just realistic...
 Don't worry, I also blame the beer & tequila in your body for my posts ;¬)
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Breakbeat: You don't think all those sort of photo's were already here anyway?
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mikeossur,
Whew! I simply could not agree more. It's only "free" if you are part of the rentier class, period.
SteveM_61,
Gee, I sure they would like to. Lest we forget, large dividend holders all have the fingers in each others pies and we little people get these crumbs called 401-K plans and the like.
American style capitalism is rapacious and evil. I'm not against luxury, but conspicuous consumption when we know so many others are going hungry or worse is not only amoral, it is disgustingly immoral. It simply makes me physically ill thinking about. *roar*
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I'm confused about why some people seem to think that MS taking over Yahoo is good for fostering competition.
Um, no.
Posted 18 months ago.
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skinjester [deleted] says:
the quality of my own photography continues to improve with or without Flickr. Basically don't care who owns it, or Yahoo for that matter. Its business, not the apocalypse.
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skinjester edited this topic 18 months ago.
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I don't know how fewer players in the search engine space calculates into more competition. I think that defies logic not to mention physics. .
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iomarch,
'Cause MS for a long time was really, really, really successful at being a three trick pony: Windows, Word, Excel and a few other cool novelties - but except for Windows itself, you can now find all that stuff on the Web for free. MS really is in trouble, and they know it.
Um, I could go into my hobby-hoarse, the death of the copyright, but... *sigh*
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Oh, pretty soon computer operating systems are going to become web based too.
Things are changing very, very fast!
Posted 18 months ago.
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skinjester [deleted] says:
@Connor Ryan:
that's a limited analysis of Microsoft's core strengths.
I don't consider their work with xbox360 and xbox Live to be "cool novelties", They're a core part of the business model. The developer tools for game development on 360 are actually excellent.
Other "novelties" include advanced UI research and alternative computing platforms (Surface)
Further trivial developments with regard to shared image processing & synthesis are also widely known (Photosynyth, etc.)
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Oh, I forgot about those... I'm not a gamer; not in my sphere of attention. But, otherwise I politely disagree.
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Windows has been milking their main cash cow of M$ office for years. With their failure to mess up Open Office by polluting it with OOXML and bribing the ISO to accept their 'corruption' of Open Standards with their proprietary 'kluge' as in Windows is a 'Kludgey Mess'
(I am currently writing this on an XP box, I am Tricoastal in terms of OS, and I have grown to love XP SP2, something I never ever thought I would say in a million years, but VISTA BLOWS, and is going to be short lived, M$ having sold it's corrupt soul to the MAFIAA (RIAA+MPAA))
The bottom line is that Ozzie has been trying to get M$ to enter Planet Internet for a while now, but he has been having somewhat of an uphill battle, with Ballmer pushing the FUD agenda against FOSS (256 patents, Novell etc, what patents Steve B, show us the prior art, Hello ! *rant rant rant*)))
...back to 'The Bottom Line' - M$ Live did not work out, again, M$ could not let go of the strings, but faced with a severe category killer like Google Docs and Spreadsheets, integrated with Gmail, is a true triple threat. I have turned 3 of my recent clients onto the Google Enterprise suite, and there are thrilled with the ability to collaborate and do their work through the browser.
yada yada yada...
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Tarky7 edited this topic 18 months ago.
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Argh. I could (barely) stomach Yahoo! buying Flickr, but based on the way that MicroSoul trashed and destroyed the tools my industry relied on through anti-competitive practices and outright fraud, and commandeered the market with inferior products that require third-party add-ins to restore basic functionality causing me many hundreds of hours of agony and grief and VBA hell, I have vowed quite a few years ago to never give MicroSoul another dollar so long as I live. Not that they'll feel it, it's just my ethical principles. So - if this happens, so sorry, at the expiry of my account, goodbye Flickr.
For M$ it's not about the users, it's all and only about the dollars. I hate them. Evil scum.
Want a better idea of why? Read this book: www.breakingwindows.net/
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Congressional hearing will scrutinize Microsoft bid for Yahoo on the 8th of Feb!
Here is the link to it !!
rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.8x5qNH.AgBMmhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0...
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Andrew The Artìst edited this topic 18 months ago.
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Yeah,
MS$ has a good product in the Xbox minus a couple of set backs. They don't dominate in that arena yet either.
Surface has yet to prove it self. Not really a original idea..
Sure, MS$ does spend a little to make their OS look shiny but the internals are a little sketchy.
However, we are talking communications here. The internet is about to replace the phone and the TV for ad space. Do we want a monopolist dominating this space? MS$ will tie Yahoo and probably Fickr in with their OS and standards.
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Cry more.
I can't take any of you whiners seriously when you can't use the proper name of the company involved. IF you weren't whining hippies who hate Microsoft just because it's cool and trendy to do so, you'd call them Microsoft. Not M$, not Microsloth, not Microshit.
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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It's MicroHoo to you boy.
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Always and forever MicroSoul to me - and I've been on this 'trendy' soapbox since about 1996 :-p
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Tarky7,
You're definitely much more brass-tacks knowledgeable than myself; but you have completely hit the nail right on the head IMO. (heh,heh) It's kind of funny that their original argument about things innovating so fast in the computer world; and therefore "please, U.S. Justice Dept. don't break us (MS) up" - which I thought was totally disingenuous at the time - really has come to pass. And then Ballmer failed to smell the new coffee brew in time and well... Kharma?
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IF you weren't whining hippies who hate Microsoft just because it's cool and trendy to do so, you'd call them Microsoft.
Funny, I can't take people seriously when they call someone else a "hippy".
Hippy? Is it suddenly 1968 and noone told me?
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M$
spelled just like:
The Co$ !
And, if your opinion as to why I hate the idea of M$ because I think it is trendy, or the 'in' thing to do, you are in total denial of what Microsoft is about and what they represent to the global programing and development community.
Can you say IE6 ?
;)
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Like I said, the bottom 25% that stay with Flickr after MS$ has had it's way with it will be spammers and MS$ dorks.
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mikeossur edited this topic 18 months ago.
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But I will miss Flickr, and all my wacky, hyper intelligent, hippie hating, self portrait taking, bad picture of cats and flowers making 'friends',
So I will face again the challenge of stuffing my 'convictions' about 'the digital MAN' being evil, and pond scum, and hunker down to live with the inevitable compromise that will come from the next 'owner' of the backbone that allows the Flickr eco system to exist, because folks (drum roll, cue the violins)
"Flickr is not about the technology, Flickr is about you (tears streaming down Tarky7's face, eyeliner running down cheeks)...and you...and you... pointing around to different faces in the theatre audience...
;)
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Tarky7 edited this topic 18 months ago.
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The level of overwrought melodrama about the dance of two corporate titans, neither of which gives a damn about any of you, is really astounding.
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This place just won't be the same if Microsoft get their grubby paws all over it.
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alex.DC Well put.
Remember , this is just a photo sharing site. Flickr is not the cure for cancer or old age. Flickr is just a minor amusement in life.
Repeat after me: Flickr is just a photo sharing site.
If Flickr goes down hill after acquisition by another company, you can always go elsewhere. The world will not end. Photos will be taken and displayed on the net - that is just the way of the future that Flickr helped to both usher in, and cement.
Get over it. Get over yourselves. Life goes on.
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It's all about culture. It's all about freedom baby, yeah!
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