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I have absolutely no idea what you're rambling on about, but I may well give you a feel regardless.
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Get a room you two!
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I see lotsa fake profiles on here, too. It's almost as bad as people who's entire stream is photos of strange dolls...
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Actually, the WoW lot are the really sad nerds.
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@ Rebecca Pettigrew
Erm...
*crawls back into hole*
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*agrees with Corin*
Actually there's a few at work into WoW - they'll even take unpaid leave to go home to play it. I prefer farm amchinery catalogues for my own pleasure.
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It's not the fake profiles that bother me so much as the earnestly real profiles. Fakery takes a modicum of creativity, being yourself is easy, and unless you're the very rare interesting person, being yourself is also very dull.
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I like the word Erm!
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World of Warcraft, Animal Crossing, and the aptly titled Oblivion, I'm aware of, but I'd never heard of Second Life until today. Needless to say, after a little research, I'll be adding 'SL obsession' it to my list of reasons not to date a man.
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I'm just waiting to come across an HDR shot of an SL kitten in front of an SL sunset...
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Be careful what you wish for haydnseek.
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What difference does it make whether you take photos in the real world or a virtual world and upload them to flickr? I.E. What makes a SL user a loser? - Better than users using flickr to upload explicit shots of their ex girlfriend! Anyway, its a flickr member's right to upload what they want, and nobody's forcing you to browse their SL sets. Just saying.
For the record, I'm not a sad loser with no life just because I have a SL set on my flickr and I enjoy exploring virtual worlds within SL, which in their own right are works of art. If you spent just a moment within the world of SL, you'd find some amazing creations that have been made by some highly creative, intelligent, respectable people, companies and organisations from all around the world.
I agree that its not for everyone... but so what?
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@ robail2423~Are you referring to the TV show last night? I must admit, it gave me pause.
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I've never heard of second life. is it something to do with reincarnation and animals and stuff? or monopoly?
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Robail - I totally agree with you. I'm planning an intervention for a friend who is starting to blurs the boundaries of his actual life with his virtual one on SL.
Second Life is a virtual world where you can exist when real life gets to scary, boring, complicated, what have you. You create an avatar and a profile and then do stuff that you'd do in every day life, only you're doing inside a little world in your computer...
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ok.
why?
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visible woman: Unclear how taking photos of one's exgirlfriend and posting those photos to a photo community website is better than screenshots of a videogame. Must depend upon the SL character and/or the exgirlfriend. :-D
There's playing a game and there's living a game. Looking at your stream, which contains more than SL screencaps, you're not the target of this thread -- read the first entry again, it's the people whose streams are named for their characters and only contain screencaps of their characters that are being criticized. I recall a story awhile back about Flickr canning people's accounts for having more than 50% screenshots from videogames (namely WoW and Counterstrike and EverCrack).
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I have an SL account.. I think.. might have expired :) I don't get it to be honest.
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Second life, as if your current life's not exciting enough!
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Just wait till Third life hits the market, your second life will be rendered obsolete!
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If someone doesn't want to look at profiles full of screenshots then why would they?
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Maddog, SL's apparently great if you have a coot obsession.
I don't.
Oddly it's Friday and snow is forecast for Canty...
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Well its rare to find a real profile on the net...who in right mind would use own name?
If you spend all your time on the net then it is "real life" so the fake id becomes your true one...then u are lost. Maybe when u are forced to go out to safeway it will hit you, major identity crisis as cashier swipes your bankcard...thank you Ms Shexxycorin.....
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Life in this heaven sent hell hole is probably virtual (Herbert Marshall McLuhan)
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"What difference does it make whether you take photos in the real world or a virtual world and upload them to flickr?"
Well, for starters, a screencapture taken of a Second Life scene is IN NO WAY a photograph.
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It is in a virtual way, at least.
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In the way that chatting rudely over IM is the same as a good hard shag I suppose it might be.
In the fact that it doesn't record light, no, it's not.
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Could it pass for an illustration? I get the impression that there is some degree of creativity involved in this Second Life whatnot.
Edit: Whooo! Rob, are you feeling yourself today?
[/intentional double entendre]
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I like it when Rob gets rude :)
(this does not even count as virtual snog).
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<In the fact that it doesn't record light, no, it's not.
What's the picture made from then? Darkness?
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It's a copy of data that has no reality outside a hard disk somewhere.
I'd prefer to call it an infograph or a datagraph.
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What about sex in Second Life? Now that is just really weird.
It's not photography, no. You could make the argument that some computer-generated images are photography, like ray-traced images, as they are produced by virtual light beams. But SL isn't ray-traced...
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It's a copy of data that has no reality outside a hard disk somewhere.
I'd prefer to call it an infograph or a datagraph
Well, you can't, it's expressly prohibited.
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Ooh, I love it when you get all dictatorial.
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I love it when Ben geeks out.
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Harvey you have actual people and other cool shots in your stream. I'm talking nothing BUT those dolls. And describing them like they're people.
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Humph. ;-)
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...it *must* be photography. They are discussing Bokeh and such...
(Whereas 'Bokeh' would be the background before appearing in full resolution;)
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i find the word ''moist '' rather sensual. i cannot pick up a sponge cake in the supermarket without going a bit bendy knee'd at the word moist on the packageing
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If people think that there is creativity in Second Life, what about computer games, especially simulation games like the Sims? I consider the cities I've created in Sim City works of art.
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TheSims have just entered our lives....so far the mother has drowned, the father died of starvation and lack of sleep, and the children have been taken into care.....sweet game!
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No, seriously, I love geeks.
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In SIMS2 Nightlife, you can get turned into a vampire... Oh, man now you guys are tempting me to reinstall... and create a whole new profile for my SIMS. Yes... I just might do that.
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Phew, I have neither glasses or a dual core - I guess I'm safe ;-)
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>> Well, for starters, a screencapture taken of a Second Life scene is IN NO WAY a photograph.
c'mon Rob. The same thing could be said about photomanipulation or illustration, or in general rendered images, all of which have a pretty strong presence on Flickr
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I did SL for a second. After that I was bored out of my gourd.
the mouse was so bored it slunk back into the USB slot.
all that walking around in cyberspace for what?
I prefer 1st Person shooters anyway.
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Well, we tag them CGI or screenshot, so what's the problem? Yes, I have a RL flickr stream too, and yes, I like to keep the two separated. As for the people being/roleplaying (depends on how you look at it) photographers in Second Life, the quality of what they produce beats that of the horrible real life vacation and party shots we often see on Flickr. So , first get rid of those?
I know people that spend ages on creating props, skins, clothing, lightning environment, location, ... from scratch for just one photograph. So I put them on the same level as any other visual image created with 3D software.
If those persons/chose to create - often beautiful - content, does it matter what program they use to do so? If you don't want to see, just make sure Flickr only looks at photographs?
Some of my (more recent) fav's from our Brave New Virtual World:
    
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@stevenm
how very artistic of you to er, recreate new york...
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is this an EMO thread ?
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Man I love me some Sims2 Body Shop. I've made tattoos, clothes, peircings, hairstyles... I really should put my Sims up with their own flickr account. I think they would like it.
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I've you've got enough spare time for a "second life," I'd reckon you're not getting much out of your first one.
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Yeah, and those people who portray themselves as Goths or Faeries in their profiles, as if it were real life, those really turn my stomach too. Let's just ban everyone who doesn't portray themselves *for real*. let's judge them all!
Grab your pitchforks now!
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Let's not get carried away, I would just reserve the pitchforks for people who can't spell "fairy" correctly. ;)
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As skinjester says... one could say the same about "photoshopped" images. "Darn it, if you didn't manipulate it in a darkroom, it's not photography!"
When I take a "snapshot" in SL, I have to take lighting and composition into consideration, even though no photons are abused in the making of the image. There's even a chance that someone might walk in front of the subject unexpectedly, or hold up a placard like the doofus who always put up the "John 3:16" sign where the cameras would see it at sporting events.
If I go to the Lost Forest of Apollo in SL, choose my point of view, "time of day", and subject matter, create fill lighting of the brightness and colors to get the effect I want, and then click my mouse to take a "snapshot", then according to flickr that's a "screen capture"... but if I put a spreadsheet up on my monitor, pull out my camera, and take a picture of the monitor, that's a photograph... is that what you're saying?
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EPN, a Dutch non-profit foundation that studies the impact of information and communications technology on society, concluded that “there is a strong correlation between well-being and success in Second Life and well-being and success in real life.” source: Reuter
Can somebody please define life (as in "get a life").
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If only creativity mattered, you'd all be producing this type of image with decent graphics software such as Maya.
Taken from the comments for this image:
Wow - an SL mirror that works!!
Nuff said?
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I suppose, people whos main hobby is to complain about unimportant things should get a life in the first place.
where is the problem?
I also dont complain about millions of porn images on flickr cause I dont see it unless I search it. In the groups i am member I never see any CGI-stuff. Flickr is even hiding these picts from explore, so what the heck?
there are also a lot of avatars on myspace and all of these places. thats ok for me, and I feel much less offended by this than by the people who put their real life online.
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alex.DC i think some people in ireland, as well as people from about 200 years ago would take exception to that
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@ robail2423:"Seeing the SL people on here with their fake profiles and in game pictures seems ridiculous. I mean keep that shit in the game, now it's spilling out into the web like it is their real life. Anyone feel me on this?" hehehe, and I thought toy horsies were mute!
@ harveycat: I guess SL equals MAYA as a mechanical camera equals a digital. It's like you playing with your mechanical toy. And then off course SL provides social interactions and spontanity that is non existing in Maya.
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A snapshot taken in SL is a long way from a photograph. A photograph is light recorded on film but new digital technology has blurred the boundaries. A digital snapshot of the street IRL is not much different from a similar one in SL. A Polaroid shot of a computer screen or TV screen or movie screen or billboard....is technically a photograph. I still shoot film but but film isn't any more sacred to me than digital rearrangements of images that I am within my rights to copy.
I hope that eventually people will come to think of cameras as copy machines. I also think that the creative artist/ hobbyist should have some right to protect their creative work and some financial incentives to create more. Putting a price on something puts a value on it. It says "creating pictures is valuable work". Why should so much value be assigned to the data collectors and website interface creators but not the original picture content that it depends on? This is exploitative, so the issue of copyright protection has to be settled.
Sure, a Second Life "photographer" is not much different from a Real Life photographer. You can use a copy machine like your computer to duplicate an image you see on a computer screen or you can use a copy machine like a film camera to duplicate that image. Who gets payment for the result is the issue that has to be settled because who in their right mind wants to create something and give it away if somebody else is going to make a minor change by using a different copy machine....and then get paid for that? Creative work is personal power and I don't believe in giving personal power away by giving up your individual right to decide who can copy your work. If you choose to let somebody copy your pictures then that is no big deal - your choice.
Sorry for appearing to hijack the thread but it was bound to go in that direction. A film camera is a copy machine just like the grab software that allows you to take snapshots in SL. I don't believe that there should be unlimited freedom to use those tools to capture anything you can see.
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As skinjester says... one could say the same about "photoshopped" images. "Darn it, if you didn't manipulate it in a darkroom, it's not photography!"
Are the airbrushed photographs of Playboy models and photos of Stalinist Russia with people removed REAL photography? Those are examples manipulated in the darkroom.
On the other hand, if you use Photoshop to remove dust from a scanned photograph or restore the color in a faded color photo, that is NOT photography?
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Pangalactic, if people from 200 years ago might take exception to something I said, I'm not going to worry about that too much. :)
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Perhaps the thing to call what we do in SL is "virtual photography"?
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I hope that eventually people will come to think of cameras as copy machines.
I sincerely hope not.
Copy machine implies a machine which make a precise and accurate replication of something.
A camera's reproduction of the scene in front of it is highly dependant on the type of lens, the film (or CCD if you're digital), the length of exposure, he quality of your equipment (no dirty jokes, please!) and on and on and on.
Cameras, whether digital or or analogue, make imperfect reproductions and the artistry comes from being able to understand and manipulate these imperfections with the tools you have to hand, and then to work with the raw material in your darkroom, be it digital or full of chemicals.
A camera is no more a copy machine than a human being with a paintrush is. It is rife with imperfections, and therein lies the art.
[edit] Sorry -- this was way off topic, but I couldn't let a statement like that one go unanswered!
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@Gilfer: I agree completely. I was gonna say something similar, but you said it better than I ever could...
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I'm wearing virtual pant's.
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www.getafirstlife.com/
'Fornitcate using your actual genitals!"
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I think I may have not made it clear where I was coming from. I'm not saying that SL snapshots have no place in FLickr, or that rendered images don't require skill - hell, most frames in any Pixar film involve about a million times more skill than I happen to have.
I'm just being etymologically pedantic. Think of Brock and his "photo's" thread ;o)
And I disagree with Ther-esa; a digital photograph is manifestly different from a rendered image, because it is a recording of photons that were actually at some defined, real place in space and time, as opposed to a graphical representation of a mathematical construct.
Photomanipulations probably have more in common with traditional montages; bits of them are photographs, bits are rendered.
Of course, taken to its conclusion, that would mean SL images are more like fine art. Or if you don't generate your own models, perhaps they are like virtual cargo cult art.
Virtual photos of virtual sculptures, perhaps? Or I quite like "metaphotos".
Hmmmm, I really like the phrase "graphical representation of a mathematical construct". I might use it in all threads for a bit.
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I just posted some cool WOW Pics in my photos.
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I play with Microsoft's "flight simulator 2004" from time to time. My computer is a Pentium IV, (with an integrated video card), not the best set up. However i am still amazed at the level of detail (lot of the landscape is rendered from satellite images, in "3D") rivers, roads, cities, have a factual basis. I can see my parent’s house.
You can even connect to the internet and upload climatic condition in real time.
You can get advice from a flight instructor (based on how you handle the plane).
It is a great learning tool (history of flight, geography, and the art and science of flying).
You can video record your voyages.
But it is just virtual, if not i would be dead. I crashed 4 times the first day.
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I agree with -RobW-, although I have a hard time with "photons that were actually at some defined, real place in space and time . . .." There is an uncertainty about that phase.
Also "graphical representation of a mathematical construct" should be shortened, GROAMC perhaps? {:-F
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Now we have people asking if they can add SL "photos" to What's Your Angle, Buddy?.
Even if we don't want to see them, they're spreading...
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Some people seem to feel that SL images are spreading like some form of disease, that is to say; something dangerous. Dangerous to who? Mastery of any medium takes time, skill and creativity. As anyone who's ever snapped a real life " picture"knows, there is a difference between a snapshot and art. But who among us will decide to make either one go away. An image, any image is an interpretation by it's creator, and what is wrong with that?
It seems to me that the more we advance as human beings( an avatar is controlled by a human being) the more we want to restrict each others freedoms. Honestly, I really don't even want to think about where it all ends. Peace everyone:)
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I wonder if Second Life has an Explore page?
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Whoever said we're advancing?
And it has nothing to do with freedom.
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I wonder if Second Life has an Explore page?
this, maybe?
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Tits'n'ass are popular. Who'd have guessed?
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Bleurghh!
*vomits*
The urge to upload crap like that has to qualify as a disease. And I'm not sold on the virtual photographic skills argument either.
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www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=613565109&size=o
That one's pretty cool...
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Shouldn't all of those be classed as screenshots (so not visible to me in searches)?
And some of those shouldn't be "safe" - fake or not.
Blech.
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I bet a lot of thought went into the lighting and composition of this virtual photographic masterpiece. Her profile is also 'interesting'.
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That was definitely safe for work.
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Sorry! I checked that it is filtered though.
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Where do people who can't handle Second Life either go? Is there a Third Life?
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Second Second Life, naturally.
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I second that.
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'Fornitcate using your actual genitals!" - genius ;-)
There's a pretty simple dividing line, isn't there? Is the original subject matter real? At one extreme, you have completely unmanipulated photographs (or the nearest we can get online) - at the other end things that have been drawn in Photoshop. But, as RobW says, a photograph represents real photons.
The Argument about how, in SL, you have to set up a shot and position the camera just like in real life is specious - that's just making life harder for the sake of it. I could do a drawing in Photoshop. I could make it a bit harder for myself by tying one hand behind my back. I could make it even harder by poking at the computer with a pencil in my mouth, with both hands behind my back.
Does the image produced get any more "real"? No. It's still computer-generated, just with less perfect tools.
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It occurs to me that if SL shots are 'real' photographs, then they are being produced by slave labour, since the avatars used to manipulate the scene are clearly 'real' people, controlled via some sort of technological geas.
Along these lines, I feel that SL photographs should be banned on grounds of human rights.
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So much for peace:) And you mean to tell me that SL images should qualify as a disease .harveycat? With all the disease in the world that actually harms people, you would equate a virtual image with that?
As for not being sold on my point, well now i'm hurt.:) Seriously, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't change the way i feel. I guess whats sad to me, is how those who are opposed to SL images for whatever reason, are getting so mean spirited about it. We are advancing in technology, not common courtesy or basic civility.
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I don't think anyone's objecting to SL images per se, as long as they're labelled as screenshots. It's ones that show up in general searches that are annoying.
This is very much like those tiddlywinks players trying to get their game recognised as an Olympic sport ;-)
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Second Life: For people who don't really have a first life.
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CyberGus [deleted] says:
track hax says:
Some people seem to feel that SL images are spreading like some form of disease, that is to say; something dangerous. Dangerous to who? Mastery of any medium takes time, skill and creativity. As anyone who's ever snapped a real life " picture"knows, there is a difference between a snapshot and art. But who among us will decide to make either one go away. An image, any image is an interpretation by it's creator, and what is wrong with that?
Who cares?... do you realize that argument can be use against any SL (virtual character) here?
As for not being sold on my point, well now i'm hurt.:) Seriously, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't change the way i feel.
Again, you can't be hurt, you are an SL character... you can't take photos too, you are an SL character, that's just a game.
matt says:
Along these lines, I feel that SL photographs should be banned on grounds of human rights.
True, besides SL are just virtual characters, not humans. :)
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Corin made a nice point...Bees works at Flickr, and he don't give a rats ass if he's not supposed to upload his WOW screenshots.
Also, the best virtual world is one that is completely empty.
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"...now it's spilling out into the web like it is their real life...
Hahaha.
Oh, I get it.... if it's on "the web" it must be "real life", but if it's 3D, it isn't...?
Totally agree with you Kean, that it's a crazy assumption that my life is boring because I manage to spend some time in second life... some could try to escape into it... but as the EPN study shows... people can't run from themselves that easily.
Geeky loner spends all his time online because he has no friends and can't interact with "real" people...
This idea is so wide of the mark in the age of social networks and it's just so perfectly funny to hear it coming from a member of ummmm... er.... a social networking site. Crazy world."
From Be Afraid... Be VERY Afraid...
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And you mean to tell me that SL images should qualify as a disease .harveycat? With all the disease in the world that actually harms people, you would equate a virtual image with that?
No, I said that the urge to upload crap like [SL images] is like a disease. In fact, we could probably slip that symptom into the personality disorder category with ease.
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Loading SL images isn't so weird and the venue of Flickr encourages it in a way. The site is more about sharing lives, collections, interests, than about actual photography.
People post pics of friends and family, partys and they are pretty well meaningless to anybody beyond the poster so if you play game as a social life then thats you....your life...is it sad?
Games are at least logical, unlike many people. The chances someone else will have something in common with your SL are more likely than spotting a person as a mutal aquaintence so the photographs of such have more merit.
Anybody out there play pro pinball "Timeshock"...for a living?
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can you eat kfc in second life?
i mean, does it taste any good?
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does it taste any good in this life?
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track hax [deleted] says:
Like I said, " mean spirited", and not really clever or true.
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