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If it hasn't been approved at what stage is it in today and might I trouble you for the contact information of the office that reviews the patent.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish...
... and he can call the Patent and Trademark Office to get his own answers.
[though I have a hunch TH knows how to find them perfectly well; he'd never make wild comments about patents without knowing the first thing about them, after all.]
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`Pacdog I don't think code is patented, but some of the algorithms can possibly be, I'm no lawyer so I'm go to steer clear away from patents so disregard this sentence.
When people are talking about copying code I think this is the type of thing they are talking about ...
www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=531146544&size=o
Where the code and icon are pretty much identical to the extent that it's unlikely (but aways possible) that the result was arrived at independently.
As mentioned further up the thread the concept of a Set is hardly unique to Flickr far from it, and many other sites have sets and all have their own way of implementing them.
Anyway, I think normally this kind of thing is called Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, which is all fine and good and I can totally go along with, and it helps speed up the development process. When done in a certain way. Of course different people and companies go about it in different ways.
I'm not making any moral judgments here, you just asked for an example (you can go hunt for more if you wish) and I'm giving you one.
Interested to hear an "official" response to SO question though, which was again asked for by Matt, but purely for archival purposes :)
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Egads I can't believe I read all of this.
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Gadzooks, I can't believe that Rev Dan Catt just gave us one.
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Gee, I know next to nothing about patents, but I found the status of the patent in question in about 2 minutes.
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/me hands Dshalock a kitten.
(Don't worry shhexy, you're is in the post. I sprayed it pink)
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Because it's a very unFlickrlike thing to do and a very un-Stewart Butterfield type thing to do as well.
you don't know stewart butterfield. he's an idealist and a pragmatist.
which is to say that he lives in the real world, and tries to make the real world better to the absolute best of his ability [which is to say sometimes he fucks up] .. but i've not yet seen him tilting at windmills, which is what you're suggesting is "flickr-like" .. in my experience here, flickr has never pursued romantic idealism.
which is not to say that romantic idealism, like the kind i see at zooomr, is fundamentally flawed. sometime you need to be a little irrational to stumble upon new opportunity.
but that's never how flickr has operated.
The point is that we can't assume that we can rely on the benevolence of Stewart indefinitely and a patent lasts a long long time.
which is why we've got to do something about patent law .. i agree.
unfortunately putting yahoo at the mercy of patent wielding cadres will do absolutely NOTHING to fix that problem.
See. He did it again.
now pacdog .. you want copied code? there's a bunch of stuff that kris obviously copied and then changed copy, slightly tweaked CSS .. that's obvious, just look at the site elements. but if you want proof that kris actually copy and pasted from flickr, there's evidence on every single flickr and zooomr page.
from zooomr's head section:
var global_kamisama = '382cd089d3ee4f483438fefc314f4b55',
global_auth_hash = '06b06caab8b81b8c65b14fe08a915ea0',
global_auth_token = '',
global_zooomr_secret = '2aa70e37e5829091',
global_nsid = '4165@Z01',
global_name ='striatic',
global_icon_url ='http://static.zooomr.com/avatars/4165@Z01.jpg',
from flickr's head section:
var global_magisterLudi = '74932e2ed2315c4f1308cb14adbab825',
global_auth_hash = 'bc9a5af044a31e5c1e92582cdd43cb54',
global_auth_token = '',
global_flickr_secret = '6d6584b09bbce1f9',
... [extra flickr functionality removed] ...
global_nsid = '34427466731@N01',
... [extra flickr functionality removed] ...
global_name ='striatic'
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global_icon_url ='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/buddyicons/34427466731@N01.jpg?1175312057'
notice any similarities, pacdog?
also, do carefully note the lack of a space between the equal sign and the user name after global_name and also in global icon url. these are the only places where flickr's [sorta messy] code where there is a lack of a space between the equals sign and the variable. in terms of the javascript, the lack of a space is irrelevant to the function .. and yet the lack of a space is exactly duplicated on the zooomr site?
this is beyond coincidental, when you also look at how the variable names are virtually identical.
kris went into the public parts of the flickr source and started copying stuff to use in zooomr. apple+c, apple+v.
why the hell he did this, i have no idea. for one, flickr's nsid stucture only exists as a vestigal organ of the old GNE server structure. the @N01 bit has no practical value. other sites don't use similar structures. and yet kris tate copies the syntax exactly.
to me, it's mind boggling why he would do this, and yet he has. at best, i'd say he was trying to be like a young renaissance artist, learning his craft by attempting to perfectly imitate his master. except copying and pasting code doesn't take nearly that much skill. at worst, you'd say he was working from stolen blueprints.
either way, it's cheap, hacky, and one peek under the hood shows the lack of imagination. with the set icon, and many other interface affectations, you don't even need to look under the hood to see the copying.
and the sad thing is there's other stuff on zooomr that kris did all by himself. some of it is pretty good, other stuff is medicore .. so why the hell was he copying and pasting flickr so closely .. even to the point of copying its mistakes?
i have a number of theories, but again, all speculation. what isn't speculation, however, is that kris tate directly copy and pasted flickr site code in the creation of zooomr.
make of that what you will.
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YAY!
I hope you used toxic paint.
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kris went into the public parts of the flickr source and started copying stuff to use in zooomr. apple+c, apple+v.
Wait wait wait.... don't want to jump to conclusions here. I mean, he might be using emacs, in which case it's just highlight and ctrl-y.
I wouldn't comment on copyright implications, but personally I'd hate to be before a university ethics board with the amount of copied code you can find casually poking around Zooomr. I've seen students expelled for a good deal less.
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shhexycorin: I don't know if it was toxic. Being doubly safe I put the kitten in the box first and then sprayed the paint in through a hole, to be sure I didn't breath any in.
(I learned that from an episode of Grangehill).
Better to be safe than sorry.
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Wait wait wait.... don't want to jump to conclusions here. I mean, he might be using emacs, in which case it's just highlight and ctrl-y.
i stand corrected.
and looking at those bits of the zooomr code, one certainly is reminded of someone copying their homework. rearranging the words very slightly but in some cases not bothering to rearrange at all.
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and yeah I'd love to hear an "official" response to the SO question as well.
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SilentObserver, but you said you worked on the patent issue. Surely you have some idea where it is in progress at this point. In fact, you probably know more about the progress of this patent than your CEO
Thomas I'm absolutely honest with you, once again: I do not know...
And this is my answer.
While I'm surprised that with your having the "job assigment to work with lawyers on this patent," and all, that you now have no knowledge of its status, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on this. It would be nice, however, if someone at Yahoo who did know the status of this patent application (I assume that someone there does) were to share that. It would be even nicer to hear someone at least make some sort of public gesture that this patent is not going to be used to sue companies except in the case of counterlawsuits.
Now, to answer your question. I'm going to have to give you the same answer. That I don't know. I'm not a coder and quite frankly couldn't tell you computer code from newspaper type. I can't even figure out the html on my own blog which is why the layout looks so shitty. To the best of my knowledge I'm not aware of Kristopher copying any code.
I also don't really understand coding ethics and all that either. From what I understand much of what is built is as Rev Dan says, built on the shoulders of giants (that's a quote from Ronald Reagan too by the way Rev Dan, originally borrowed by Reagan from Sir Isaac Newton). I'm not sure I'd consider his example of Kristopher creating a border on a photo stealing code for instance. But I don't know shit about coding.
I also don't understand the legalities of code or the ethics of how coders work frankly. I understand that in my world something like pulling a quote from a book and putting it a blog post would be considered fair use even though it's a direct copy as long as the majority of the text of my blog post was not substantially the same.
I do think I know that HQ23 though pretty much copied Flickr's API though in order to make it possible for developers to develop for their platform more easily with the Flickr API which I consider open and not protected per se. But someone correct me if I'm wrong about this. I think that setting standards though for developers is a good thing for both Flickr, Zooomr and even HQ23. I'm not sure for instance that I'd consider copying an open API as copying code in this sense.
And with that kids, it's time for Thomas Hawk to once again go to bed and prepare his strength for yet another day.
Zooom on Baby Zooom on. Love all serve all. RESPECT! The best photographs in the world have yet to be taken... just ask Billy Warhol! ;)
Talk to you all later. And goodnight Sue.
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Oh, and one last thing. Since we are talking about Zooomr and all. We did successfully get 3 new servers online tonight and I think it's made a difference in terms of the performance that some of you have been critical of at launch. You can check it out for yourself here.
I'm sure we may continue to see performance issues as we grow, but we are committed to continuing to add more resources where we can to improve our sites speed and performance. Over time we'll get it right.
That's Beebo Wallace's photo on our homepage if anyone cares.
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Always late to the party, i happen to have an interest in things like this
Thomas Hawk
To the best of my knowledge I'm not aware of Kristopher copying any code.
Maybe now is a good time to ask him and get back to us. Should be a simple thing to do, ask him in the morning. If you truly don't know you probably aught to find out.
I'm not sure I'd consider his example of Kristopher creating a border on a photo stealing code for instance
While you're at it, ask Kristoper if he "created" that border. Go on ask him, I'm dying to find out what he said. Then ask him how it happens to look exactually the same, with apparently the same colors in the same places.
I just luv things like this. lol.
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Hawk: "I've been doing all of the answering here for a few days."
to say the least. and mostly to questions no one's asked.
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Ok, I haven't gone to bed but I really am now. I just had to share one last pic from Randyman. This is the guy that's printing up a half a million zooomr stickers for us for free. He's now also made us some banners. Very cool. You've got to love it.
beta.zooomr.com/photos/randyman/2410902/
Makes me remember why we're doing this all, because it's fun.
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I do think I know that HQ23 though pretty much copied Flickr's API though in order to make it possible for developers to develop for their platform more easily with the Flickr API which I consider open and not protected per se.
straw man.
no one, not even flickr staff, has complained about your making the zooomr API compatible with the flickr API.
the complaint was, specifically:
api.zooomr.com/
versus:
api.flickr.com/services/fnord
where the resulting page simply replaces "flickr" with "zooomr" and the result is linking to dead pages that would exist on flickr, but don't exist on zooomr.
this duplication is totally irrelevant to api compatibility.
it has nothing to do with building a compatible api, and everything to do with grabbing flickr code wholesale, and batch replacing the word "flickr" with "zooomr".
which is totally hacktastic, amateurish and leads to dead pages - while signaling either laziness, a lack of imagination or a willful middle finger to the flickr dev team. or all of the above.
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It's good to see the young folk spray cats responsibly these days.
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Looks like we have a rogue CEO. Doesn't know. Doesn't care. Doesn't want to know.
One wonders where the buck stops in that organisation. It appears that it is on the street somewhere between the Thomas residence and the Kris residence. Corporate morality like that made Enron possible.
Thomas Hawk - being a CEO is not just swanning around being self-important. You have to actually run the organisation. That is what the words Chief Executive mean.
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pulling a quote from a book and putting it a blog post would be considered fair use even though it's a direct copy as long as the majority of the text of my blog post was not substantially the same.
That may be true on a blog, but I think the minute you start using that quote as part of a product that you are selling... that goes out the window.
At least, that's what cafepress told me when I got a takedown notice for a t-shirt that had a one sentence quote from a book by JRR Tolkein, printed as a caption (with attribution) with one of my own photos.
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Man, ok, I'm still up and it's 2am. I just have to say that forget about everything else, Zipline fucking rocks. I'm loving that thing so much. This really is going to be a hell of a lot of fun. People LOVE it. They can't get enough of it.
I"m probably not going to spend so much time in FC tomorrow even though this thread is about Zooomr and all.
I'll probably make one stop by in if I have time. But even I'm growing tired of the negativity. Come play on Zooomr. People over there are having a seriously good time. This whole thread is such a stark contrast to what I'm getting over there. And I'm probably as guilty as any for engaging you all.
Quotes on tshirts. Iansand reprimanding me about being a CEO. I fucking love it all, don't get me wrong, but it's all getting boring. Eric Costello showed up. The SilentOne showed up. Even Cal showed up. Rev Dan Catt -- my *favorite* fucking character of all on the Flickr show -- showed up. You all ROCK hard. Plus I need to actually process some damn photos and get back into a reasonable rhythm of uploading.
Slip inside the eye of your mind. Don't you know you might find a better place to play. You said that you'd never been, but all the things that you've seen slowly fade away.
So I start a revolution from my bed because it's said the brains I had went to my head. Step outside summertimes in bloom. Stand up beside the fireplace, take that look from off your face. You ain't ever going to burn my heart out....
Her soul slides away. But don't look back in anger, I heard you say.
If none of this last post makes much sense. Don't worry about it. I've had a couple of bottles of wine at this point. And the only thing better than Oasis in my ears right now is Robyn Hitchcock covering Roxy Music.
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thomas, you're totally bleepin' exasperating me at this point.
such a quote would be considered fair use because it would be used for the purposes of commentary or critique and because it would have no commercial impact on the original work.
copying site code to put on a competitors site isn't about parody, it isn't about critique .. it's about site functionality.
and since you're a competitor it clearly has commercial impact.
you can't just copy and paste the rules of "your world" anywhere you'd like and expect them to fit.
why don't you invite kris over here and get him to explain why he was copying and pasting flickr code? an honest, transparent answer. that's all.
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thomas, you're totally bleepin' exasperating me at this point.
Striatic I'm fucking drunk at this point. Best to continue this line another time.
I love you brother. I'm serious about buying you a drink the next time you come to SF. Whatever non-alcoholic one you'd like. I'd just like to hang out with you a bit. Kind of like how I'd like to hang out with Merkley.
It will all work out guys. Hang in there.
Striatic, work with me to make it better going forward, I'm all for that. I appreciate your committment to all this. And you're fucking smart. And with that I need to stop swearing and drinking and go to bed. I've got to be up in 3 hours to make it in in time for tomorrows market open. I'm serious this time.
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Drunkenness explains much of what has happened at Zzzzzoooommmmrrrrrr over the last few days.
What you should do is get sober and have a long hard think about the way you do business. If flickr were arseholes they could shut Zooomr down tomorrow. Unless you lift your game a less forgiving organisation might. It is not a silly game of trying to be the smartest tadpole in a small pond. It is the real world. Welcome to it.
To put it bluntly, you have talked the talk but your actions reveal you to be incompetent.
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that's cool thomas.
get some sleep.
i'm serious about what i'm saying here .. but just go to bed now and do well at work.
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and iansand .. thomas is basically saying he's "down" here .. if only temporarily. don't kick a guy when he's down. just. not cool.
i don't think continuing this right now does anyone any good.
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Man, I can't believe you're pretending to get drunk to get out of answering simple questions.
Thomas Hawk
I"m probably not going to spend so much time in FC tomorrow even though this thread is about Zooomr and all.
Because you don't want to have to answer this simple question of has zooomr copied flickers code. I'll say it again:
To the best of my knowledge I'm not aware of Kristopher copying any code.
Maybe now is a good time to ask him and get back to us. Should be a simple thing to do, ask him in the morning. If you truly don't know you probably aught to find out.
You allegedly took out a second morgage throw some funding at zooomr, you call yourself a CEO and "To the best of my knowledge I'm not aware of Kristopher copying any code.". You'd better ask him then. We're all dying to know the Offical Word and you're the Offical (drunk) Spokesman.
I can see the Digg Headline now "Zooomr CEO, last man to find out zooomr copied flickrs html code, css and javascript".
MK III is supposed to be a totally rebuilt from the ground up code. Is that what Kris told you? As it's what you've been saying. If it's totally rebuilt from the ground up, why are vast chuncks of the code the same, as Striatic pointed out? All you need to do is Ask Kris and tell us.
Come on, this isn't about the thread "getting boring", it's about either you know the code is a rip off (hint) or you don't, and it's simple to find out.
Give us transparency Mr Hawk. Go ask Kris if there's flickr code and images in zooomr, tomorrow, when you're sober. Either you ask him and get the answer, which you can tell us. Or you don't want to ask him for fear of the answer.
Waiting for a sensible straight forwards response, can't be too hard.
Edit: Fuckit, Wrote while Striatic posted his post. I'll leave it until tomorrow and if Mr Hawk decides to turn up ee'll pick it up then. Sweet Dreams Everyone
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I'll try to come back here one time tomorrow. I'm going to hang out on ZooomrTV though I think most of tomorrow. ZooomrTV, live chat. I love that. Come on by if you want to talk. I'll even take these questions live over there in front of 100 or so Zooomr users on TV. And with that this seriously is my last post of the night, I mean morning, I mean whatever.
I do take all of this very seriously actually though. Wilco's singing in my ear. And Sysiphus calls for yet another day in a few hours. For what it's worth, this thread is one of the more interesting one's I've been involved with and respect to all the Flickr Central admins for not locking it. Especially Sue who I'm really warming up to these days.
Goodnight all.
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Maybe now is a good time to ask him and get back to us. Should be a simple thing to do, ask him in the morning. If you truly don't know you probably aught to find out.
I will John. I'm not getting out of anything. I'll be back here. Seriously. I can't ask him now though. Now I'm going to bed. Well, as soon as this Death Cab for Cutie song ends.
Love you all.
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striatic What I have said is true. It seems that Zooomr continues to exist through the good graces of flickr. That is something about which Thomas Hawk should have a long hard think. He has put the continued survival of Zooomr in the hands of a potential competitor. Unless the code is rewritten that will always be the case. If someone does not rewrite the code Thomas Hawk is derelict in his duty. I hope there are no shareholders who may come back to bite him if the place falls over.
Should there be any doubt, corporate governance is one of the things I do professionally. Protecting IP is something on which I keep an eye - it is not a core responsibility. If it suited our commercial interests I would crush a competitor doing what Zooomr has done.
I may appear to be disrespectful of Thomas Hawk (I am - he is a wanker), but there is a real, solid nugget of truth in my comments.
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Awesome news!
I have a sneak peek of Zooooooooooooomr's new marketplace!
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night john .. just .. everyone .. please keep things civil and no cheap shots.
thomas says he'll be back later in better condition, so until then we can continue the discussion but i think badgering thomas while he's away doesn't accomplish anything.
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and ian i get your point and i actually agree with you .. but seriously calling each other "wankers" unless in jest isn't allowed here so i'm telling you to stop now.
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Shhexy, that is the best fucking thing I've seen in a long long time. I love my hat. You really are the best. Doesnt' this whole thread remind you of the good old pre DMU days in regular plain old Deleteme. It's so fucking perfect. The only thing we are missing is Vinny and that crazy cat VodkaMax.
And with that I'm really closing the laptop, err. MacBook Pro, this time. Adios Amigos. Sleep tight.
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Can I say "onanist"?
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:)
I am sick of the lack of SMS style flirting, to be honest.
On the list are Thomas Hawk, striatic, iansand, ellipse, Pacdog, Brock... More to come.
All the admins are onboard with this. You have 24 hours.
This is categorically non-negociable.
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"Negotiable." Correcting spelling is what passes for flirtation in my world.
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You're wrong, Ian.
The spelling of non-negociable is non-negociable.
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From the Flickr Pro-User's Bill of Rights (you need to be a member to see this):
111. The correct spelling of negociable is non-negociable.
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♥ shhexycorin ♥ I love it when you talk dirty.
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show me some hot single men
and i'll get my flirt on corin.
and no brock does not count, we all know he's fallen for you and is off the market :/
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ellipse Pick me!!! Pick me!!!!
Although perhaps we should make sure that our definitions of "hot" are at least slightly congruent. Do pungent farts count?
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Depends if you have a lighter, surely.
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In tonight's performance, the role of Columbo will be played by Thomas Hawk.
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Can you cook spicy food?
or a least order really well
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ellipse Only wimps take the seeds out of chillies.
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Actually, it might even be fun to check out Zooomr, but I can't even get signed up.
The Validation email just never arrives. Yes,the address is active, spelled correctly and no the Zooomr Mail is not in the Spam folder.
So since there is no obvious way to contact Zooomr about it on their site and since I can't sign up again with the same E-mail address or user name, I would give Zoomr a well deserved, solid F (as in FAILED, miserably)
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swisskiltbear Failed? That's harsh. Differently Achieved.
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Deferred Success is the current UK fave. Seriously.
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All of the nay sayers please post links to your web2.0 apps so I can check them out. Thanks.. Only post a link if it was made or is run by you or you are at least staff there.. Thanks.
This is something that a colleague started back in 1994, but nowadays we work upstairs on this
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I find it hysterical that the more pressure you put on Thomas about the fundamental dishonesty of the origins of his site, the more he faux enthusiastically touts the site and different aspects of it (when he's not super-focussing on the patent thing - which is irrelevant, as it happens, and he brought it up himself):
"Thomas. ANSWER us! Why do you not know if your one and only employee copied code from a competitor to make the site?"
"MAN, Zipline is COOOOOOL, dudes!!!! Is my hip, fake drunkeness (despite flawless spelling and grammar) making you feel sorry for me! Wooooooo! Zoooooomr is such fun!!!!!! Weeeeeeeee!!!!"
A real CEO would be, if they were legally aware even a tiny bit, pretty bloody concerned at the accusations (and proof) displayed in this thread.
A real CEO would already know the answers.
A real CEO would either
a: not post drunkenly in a public forum of 450,000 odd people, using it to flippantly avoid the question
or
b: not pretend to be drunk to avoid the question.
- If you can't answer, then you go away and find the answer and manage it/spin it as best you can. Not make a fool of yourself, and your company by extentsion in a public forum.
I don't buy the "I'm drunk" act. Not for a minute. I appreciate the sentiment in Striatics "leave him be for a bit" as the noble gesture it is, but nothing is stopping Thomas being responsible for his own actions, going to sleep and not saying something he will regret (you'd hope) when he (potentially) sobers up.
The fact that nearly two pages of direct "How much of Zooomr is copied from Flickr" went by before he even came up with his weak 'I have no idea, I don't know coding from one of Eric's bananas when misquoting him' is risible in the extreme.
Come on, Thomas. It took you considerable time after the initial start of accusations of suspicious similarity between the two sites to even acknowledge the many, blunt as all hell, accusations. Your response, "I don't know, I don't understand anything about how my company makes our product.' (essentially) came after 9 hours of deliberation and obfuscation. Genius.
Were you drunk the whole time? Was Kris not available for all of those 9 hours, even though both of you are almost constantly on Zooomr TV?
Is that, really, the best you can do as a figurehead for a company after 9 hours of thinking about serious, ethical accusations as to your business practices: 'I don't know, it's all a bit tricky for a lowly photographer like me'?
I mean. Really?
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Yes, from my point of view, failed! (your mileage may vary)
If I can't even register and the main Zooomr URL resturns an error 500 most of the time, it has indeed failed for me.
Oh and by the way, seriously, I'd love to hear MasterCard's take on the Zoomr logo. *eg*
I see a color change coming there.
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500 - Internal Server Error
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MemoryMotel / Matt well at lest you not seeing a zooomr is haveing a "hiccup" or "massage"!
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Damn, and I went and bought some new patchouli oil especially!
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Jeez. There should be ONE specific group for everything related to Thomas Hawk and Zooomr.
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Violentz - what a great idea. Maybe he could even have his own entire site where people could talk about Zooomr. It could be called something stupid like www.zooomer.com maybe?
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*points at the crazy man*
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I'm beginning to wonder exactly who is obsessed with what in this thread.
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Phoenix51_Gone Off To Be Resurrected [deleted] says:
I followed the link blog.zooomr.com/downtime/home in the first comment which led to another link www.zooomr.com/ and following which I found a photo sharing site page which supports most of the regional languages of the Indian subcontinent but not the major national ones. Strange!
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It's good to see that they also support Portugese (sic).
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Trazy, see here. It must be the only crticism (constructive) that Thomas didn't reply to, so I'll do it for him.
"Thanks for pointing out the mistakes and helping make Zooomr a better site, Jim"
"Your welcome, Thomas"
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andertho , you and me both! :-)))
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*imagines KT and THIII having a very candid conversation right now*
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That's Beebo Wallace's photo on our homepage if anyone cares.
Let's not forget the important information being tossed around in here ...
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Guys, Guys, Guys (& gals ;)
Wow, funny that laughably simple things like 404 Pages, SmartSets html class names ("SetCase" & "setLinkDiv") and the javascript VARIABLE NAMES got you guys all up in a huff... Has Flickr & Co. really gotten this pathetic?
Developers use similar naming conventions all of the time to help OTHER DEVELOPERS hack on and develop for their service or API. Without these things, people like steeev wouldn't be able to produce the cool stuff that they do so well.
I look at entire services as APIs -- each page has it's own data that gets called back, and some people like Tantek Çelik have made what IS ON THE PAGE as important or even more than what is inside of the API. (please see: Microformats)
Bottom Line? It's interesting to me that the flickr folks feel so threatened by my small company, Zooomr. Seriously, Grow-up (even a little bit can do big things) -- what ever happened to humble Flickr, or did Stewart not teach you these lessons? :)
At the end of the day, life is what you make of it -- if you choose to get all pissed-off over the small things, you will never see the big stuff to come. Zooomr is that big thing, and I think that team flickr / yahoo! knows this.
Flickr is and has been staffed by some incredible people who have, for the most part, been given a free ride when it comes to competition. If anything, the users bashing in this forum should realize that we're pushing Yahoo! to up their game on flickr -- which is a direct benefit to all who love photo sharing.
In a Pre-Mark III world, everyone was at peace -- and now that Mark III has been launched, why can't we all sit back and enjoy some fine works of photography?
With love and respect,
kristopher
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You know why? because some of use can't even register for the site :-)
no validation mail
and there is no official way of asking for help.
Some of us would love to take a look at Zoooomr. Alas, we can't
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Breath One: "Has Flickr & Co. really gotten this pathetic?"
Breath Two: "with love and respect."
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
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The Searcher edited this topic 14 months ago.
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swisskiltbear, Feel free to personally IM me on GTalk ( kris.tate@gmail.com ) or join others on Zooomr TV. We're here for you and others -- I'm here for you and others. Please let me know.
kristopher
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It's gratifying that there's at least one functioning help system available for Zoooomrr customers.
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Searcher - Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
That wouldn't be a veiled reference to a certain Sicilian, would it? ;)
(edit: what's with the html today??)
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FlyButtafly edited this topic 14 months ago.
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flybuttafly: "veiled". I do not think that means what you think it means.
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Thanks for the link to Stewart's page there, Kris, I wouldn't have known who you meant otherwise!
The photo helps too.
OHMIGOSH! I can't believe you, like, met him?
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♥ shhexycorin ♥ (a group admin) edited this topic 14 months ago.
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We're here for you and others -- I'm here for you and others.
Shouldn't you be on your own help forum trying to help people log in to your site? Rather than on your competitors?
At the end of the day, life is what you make of it
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