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*dances
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This rocks, it's soooo 2007! The whole world is falling apart and we are worrying about screenshots. Great!
Though this is not ment as an insult to the people who actually run and program flickr, there's no doubt in my mind that they have to follow trends if they want to keep their jobs and stuff.
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Wow. NIPSA has finally died the horrible death it deserved? Schweet!
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phoneyman [deleted] says:
Joeri, kids in Africa are still starving even though I ate all my dinner, but what's that got to do with Flickr?
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Nice.
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Michael - B [deleted] says:
Thanks for the link and the information. As usual I would have missed it.
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You really should set your filter preferences as soon a you can if you don't want to see things you don't want to see.
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I don't care one way or the other about the filters since I can turn them off. However in order to turn them off I had to re-authenticate with Yahoo!. Twice. I went to edit the filters, it sent me to Yahoo!, I logged in, got sent back to flickr, flickr again told me to go to Yahoo!, I logged in again, got sent back to flickr again, and then I could change my filters.
Yahoo! authentication SUCKS.
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You really should set your filter preferences as soon a you can if you don't want to see things you don't want to see.
Violentz, everyone was defaulted to safe.
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Great to be able to turn off prude (aka 'Dead Eye Dick') mode.
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*stalks violentz's stream*
:p
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Good job, Flickreenies!
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NIPSA has finally died the horrible death it deserved?
I'm safe but NIPSA. NIPSA is not dead!
YAY! I'm a little worried about the "safe" bit though
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phoneyman [deleted] says:
corin,
My account has been reviewed as safe. What does that mean?
Having a "safe" account means that you are good at moderating your own content. Awesome!
If your account is also flagged as "NIPSA", you may be one of the people caught up in the transistion between the old system of moderation (public, pending, private accounts etc) and the new way (safety level/content type filters). It's fairly likely that if your account is NIPSA, it's because your account was NIPSA pre-transition, and that it may require a review by staff. You can request a review if you wish. It's fairly unlikely that staff would flag an entire account in the new system, given that you have more fine-grained control over the images in your account.
You're welcome.
Fistings gladly accepted.
Pierre
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Hoorah! As long as we keep implementing Striatic's suggestions we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure this whole selective permissions thing was talked over and over about two years ago. Can I have filter for graphics in comments now?
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phoneyman [deleted] says:
coughAdBlockcough
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I have a feeling I may always be NIPSA, Pierre!
I'm in talks with Heather about having "safe" changed to "shhexy" in my case.
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I'm still sort of new to flickr, compared to most people here.
But hot damn is it fantastic that flickr is not only as great as it is, but it has dedicated people that keep making it better. Thanks!
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Yes. NIPSA is just synonym for shhexy.
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Great new stuff! *does the safety dance*
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@Pacdog: *does the safety dance*
The horror!
The horror!
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Interesting that filters have been introduced the same day as the ACLU (the American Civil Liberties Union) won a court decision against (US) Goverment censorship of the internet.
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the whole idea is to allow people to choose what they view and take the government and the whims of others out of the equation. it's a good thing.
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"It's important to us that everyone feel comfortable, despite vastly different cultural and personal comfort levels. What I like, you might not, and it's up to the entire community to make this work"
So what happens if my culture's standards of Safe might equal obscene in another's? Really though a shot of my girlfriend relaxing on a beach might be considered restricted in someone else's culture.
I don't think these filters can work on a international level.
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I'm safe too Corin, I think maybe you caught it off me last time we furrowed...
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@phoneyman, sorry for my late reply, what I ment was that all these sheltering mechanisms to prevent people from seeing the whole world (intentionally or unintentionally) prevent mankind from maturing and taking responsability. Not that you shouldn't eat your dinner if you happen to be lucky enough to have one.
I think that the world would be more together if everybody was sensible and civilised and not closing their eyes or just plain stupid. An open architecture of everything mankind builds would help imo, not censorship and shouting (generally I mean, I'm not accusing anyone of shouting here). Though, what I also ment to say in my initial post, I realise that we, the people, are probably not ready and "need" these filters and censorship of other kinds and what have you to stay comfortable in our lives.
For example the "different cultures" bit, is total crap imo. The internet is supposed (at least, I think it is) to broaden your horizon, to let you learn and appreciate other cultures and beliefs. I'm a big fan of shocking and raw and displaying everything as is (unedited, unfiltered, with all its original information in tact), in my opinion that is the best way to learn and understand. Using the internet to only view things you have decided you like prior to viewing and to have meaningless conversations over IM or what have you with like minded people is too limited for me.
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Joeri van Veen edited this topic 63 months ago.
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A few hours in FCU and a couple of green cocks might change your mind on whether you believe in filtering.
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Yep it might, I don't think so however, but I also didn't want to offend anybody with my views. And also I don't know what an FCU is.
A green cock? Wouldn't be popular with the chicks would it?
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An FCU is an uncensored version of Flickr Central. Sort of.
But I think RobW, you're underestimating how hard it is to shock a dutchman...
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With any luck, -RobW-, they'll sort out the filtering for groups and FCU will be searchable to even more Blue Cubes!
YAY
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♥ shhexy corin ♥ (a group admin) edited this topic 63 months ago.
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"But I think RobW, you're underestimating how hard it is to shock a dutchman"
Heh, true. It might shock his aesthetic sense though.
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He'd probably also get overwhelmed by envy,
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I was. So overwhelmed I bought some green food dye, a tub of hand cream and a copy of Girls Gone Wild.
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I used to watch this well known "rotten" site during lunch breaks. Just to illustrate that Dutchmen aren't easily shocked indeed, thanx Jaydot :-)
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I don't think these filters can work on a international level.
they'll actually work much better that the current system.
if you live in a country with liberal values, set your viewing preferences to allow moderate or restricted photos.
that way you can see all the art nudes and soft core porn you'd like.
if you're from a more conservative country or region, change the setting to allow 'safe' only.
under the previous system, everyone had to live with anything above 'moderate' completely invisible to all searches by anyone regardless of where they were from and what stuff they would be offended by.
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From the sounds of the new community guidelines, there's doesnt seem to be anything against hardcore porn either.
YAY! Get 'em off!
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the genius of this system, of course, is how buried the setting is.
if there was a 'safe/unsafe' toggle beside every search field it would constantly be reminding people of flickr's porn carrying capacity.
people would be encouraged to either:
a] upload or search for some porn
or
b] go screaming for the hills
the way that the new setup works both posting smut and hiding from smut is easier, which is a win for everyone so long as the level of total smut doesn't increase all that much.
that's why burying the functionality into the account preferences is so important, you have to REALLY not have a problem with seeing porn in order to put yourself in the position to see it.
you also have to have an account and be signed in, which helps deters casual, anonymous porn surfing by random public [including curious kids] while still catering to true connoisseurs of flickr flesh [you know who you are, you sly dawgs you].
Originally posted 63 months ago.
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striatic (a group admin) edited this topic 63 months ago.
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so long as the level of total smut doesn't increase all that much
There's a really rather a lot already....
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What I find a bit annoying is that I woke up to a few emails from my regular contacts asking me why I blocked them from seeing all of my photos that they were once allowed to see. I know the new system is mentioned in the "news" box on the opening page...but not that many people even notice or read that. I rarely do myself. So...people's accounts were marked as "safe" yesterday as default and don't even know anything about the new changes. I'm actually happy that some of my contacts bothered to write me and ask. I am not happy to think that some of my contacts might presume I blocked them and not bother to ask me why. After spending several hours changing the status of over 5000 images, I don't want to have to spend time explaining to people in emails how Flickr's new system works.
Perhaps Flickr can put a notice about the change at the top of the page, like they do when they are going to be offline, just asking people to read the "news" box.
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Violentz edited this topic 63 months ago.
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There's a really rather a lot already....
well yes... but so long as it doesn't increase until flickr becomes "the place to find porn" instead of "a place you can find porn, if you're really looking".
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striatic (a group admin) edited this topic 63 months ago.
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I don't want to have to spend time explaining to people in emails how Flickr's new system works.
i'd suggest posting a single "safe" image at the top of your stream, explaining to your contacts what's going on.
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Actually, I did do that just now.....but I'd rather Flickr do it as well in cases of major changes...directing people to read the news box.
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oki so my problem is due to this....http://www.flickr.com/groups/central/discuss/72157600017683212/
i can't bear this kind of prude thing...but the worse (and i'm not talking alone about flickr...in fact i don't seen any violent photo on flickr) is when i read paperback with photo about war zone...an some stupid editorialist have choice to don't show violent bloody photo bcz it can hurt some people...
I thing if people can see the effect of a bullet in a head skull....probably people will be more pacifist.
to rego on this flickr filter...i thing nobody will go to flickr to find porn for one big reason !
-> small size...and when you want to see porn you don't want to have a hand for using all the button to go to big size...(sorry to be vulgaire...)
but to the defence of flickr...it's probably one of the only community i know where there is not this f... pedophile plaguing us...it seems to be safe here...so thanks flickr admin.
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well yes... but so long as it doesn't increase until flickr becomes "the place to find porn" instead of "a place you can find porn, if you're really looking".
When there was the reecnt database/cache weird thing there seemed to be a high ratio of people getting porn to people getting pictures of flowers in their stream. Of course, maybe the existing users will continue to upload for Friends only, but what about the new breed of Flickr pornstars?
if you're really looking".
Some of us are lucky enough to have it rubbed in our faces.
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Some of us are lucky enough to have it rubbed in our faces.
i rarely, rarely, rarely see porn on flickr, and that's usually when i see it in the group pool here and have to remove it.
what about the new breed of Flickr pornstars?
well, i'm a bit worried about that too. so long as it stays "underground" it should be fine. the only question is whether the new system will keep it underground.
i think that flickr is very much prepared to keep it separated, and if the system works as intended the porn will be separated .. the issue is what happens when the system doesn't work as intended.
my guess is that the "new breed of flickr pornstars" is going to have to make extra, extra super sure that every single photo they upload is properly flagged, or they're going to have their accounts promptly nuked.
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i rarely, rarely, rarely see porn on flickr
Girls are much more likely to see it than boys. Even nice girls, like me.
my guess is that the "new breed of flickr pornstars" is going to have to make extra, extra super sure that every single photo they upload is properly flagged
The default upload settings should take care of that, I would have though.
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♥ shhexy corin ♥ (a group admin) edited this topic 63 months ago.
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I'm not going to say "I told you so", 'cause I didn't, but I knew eventually this was going to happen. NIPSA still exists, but like Matt says, it's on it's way out.
NIPSA is just such a clumsy way of dealing with differing tastes and thresholds for the various types visual material found here on Flickr. It makes more sense to put the ball in the account holder's court.
Flickr a photo sharing site? As I've said before, within five years photography of any kind will be as quaint as cave painting.
Flickr is going to become a media sharing site as certain as my own extinction.
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phoneyman [deleted] says:
Joeri, my bad, I understand your point better now.
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stri's suggestion of a safe/public image with info about the filters is exactly what i though of last night. it is compeletely reasonable, while flickr decided how else to get the word out.
i would suggest a broadcast flickrmail to every user from flickr, which automatically positions itself as the newest message until read.
but i'm just smart that way.
i'm also surprised this thread isn't longer... it would seem a lot of folks haven't noticed yet. :)
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Rippie: Contra Censura! edited this topic 63 months ago.
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I love the changes--thanks, Flickr!
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I think a lot of people haven't noticed.. I didn't until I was looking through a group and some of the photos weren't available to me, and then I clicked on the link which took me to a page which had a link to the post on Flickr Blog which kind of vaguely explained it.
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i would suggest a broadcast flickrmail to every user from flickr, which automatically positions itself as the newest message until read.
that would be a profound waste of developer and flickr members' time. the people who need to know about the changes will find out pretty quickly. those who do not need to know will continue to navigate flickr, happy and porn free.
the less of a "big deal" flickr makes this the better. the changes only 'significantly' affect a very, very small percentage of flickr users [mostly formerly nipsa'd users and their contacts] and everyone else for the most part have absolutely no need to be disturbed over this.
but i'm just smart that way.
i'm glad to see that you hold yourself in such high esteem.
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I echo Ms Kat - I just sort of gradually came across the fact that I am required to now take some positive action quite by hazard.
Still, early days - lets not get in a twoaneight.
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This new system goes well beyond the nudity issue on Flickr. I don't even think nudity is even mentioned once in the info about the new filtering system. It's a system that can help parents hide photos of their children from searches, a system where we can now publish artwork, screenshots and CGI images without having to worry about being NISPA'd and be available for searches of such images and more. This is something the general population of Flickr should be told about. A filtering system can't work unless everyone uses it. This isn't just about nude images or porn.
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This is something the general population of Flickr should be told about.
they are being told about it as much as they get told about any other flickr feature.
i don't think flickr needs to carpet bomb the site with announcements every time they implement something new. it is totally ridiculous to flickr mail everyone, when even if you factor in people wanting to hide kid pictures, illustrators and screenshot uploaders, you're still only looking at a very small niche of the overall flickr population who this will really impact.
at some point you have to let people find the features they're interested in, rather than cramming it down their throats.
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striatic (a group admin) edited this topic 63 months ago.
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@david: "twoaneight"? please elaborate for me as I'm the most naive person on Flickr.
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"at some point you have to let people find the features they're interested in, rather than cramming it down their throats."
This is more than just a new feature, it effects a significant amount of Flickr members who have to flag their own images. Better notification can only help the system in the end, speed up the transition and reduce the number of case reviews by Flickr staff. People are being assigned a default setting they're not aware of. Yeah, they will find out about it eventually, but it's not "ridiculous" to ask for a bit more than the normal notification we are given when a new feature like this one is created. That's not cramming anything down anyone's throat.
I, personally, am fine with how I was notified. I read about it here first. Other people are confused and don't know what is going on.
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Violentz edited this topic 63 months ago.
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Patrick, I'm a bit confused by your contacts emailing you to see why they couldn't see your photos. Someone who has you a contact should be able to see ALL your public photos, no matter their safety rating. Contact-"ness" overrides safety... at the moment anyway (this may be changed).
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Yeah, they will find out about it eventually, but it's not "ridiculous" to ask for a bit more than the normal notification we are given when a new feature like this one is created.
Am I the only person with a little box labelled 'news' on my flickr home page? Yes, people need to be told, but between the blog, the post on the news, and announcements in the forums and spreading through most popular groups, I honestly can't think of much besides how you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him read much more than the first paragraph on any given page.
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matt edited this topic 63 months ago.
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@tabhastel - just a London idiom - two (shillings) and eight (pence) : rhymes with ...
roll on the drums....
in a state ( to get in one)
As, strictly entre nous, people on Flickr Central often seem to do.
-Ducks behind parapet-
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Brenda....I'm not sure...perhaps they are getting that warning first and think I applied it...or maybe they are seeing my photos in groups I belong to? I never asked. To be honest, I'm not even sure I actually have them marked as contacts, though I knew who they were.
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Matt....I never read that Gray News Box. It doesn't change often enough to notice it. I also rarely check out the blog unless I'm on Flickr and totally bored. I don't think that's uncommon. If the News box was the best source to relay information to the Flickr masses, Flickr wouldn't need to put a message at the top of the screen when they want to announce they will be going down for periods of time. I don't think it unreasonable for big changes on Flickr to be announced at the top of the page in such a manner.
If it wasn't for Brenda with her announcements in FC and Utata....I wouldn't have known about many things on Flickr. :o)
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Better notification can only help the system in the end, speed up the transition and reduce the number of case reviews by Flickr staff.
actually that would likely increase the number of help cases.
say flickr sends out a flickr mail to some million+ flickr accounts, informing them. what to you think that's going to do to help cases? it'll make them spike because you will have lots more people trying out the new feature .. even those who don't really need to use it right away, if at all.
if you make a centralized announcement, word spreads and people discover the announcement over time. you end up having users who learned about it earlier being able to teach other users who learned about it later. you also spread out the help cases over time, instead of forcing them all to crop up in a single day or couple of days.
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Ha ! I like when it says,
'If you've changed your mind about wanting to see this content, you can ESCAPE. TAKE ME TO THE KITTENS!'
Only problem is, it actually takes you to 234,883 of the scratchy little ......
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Stevekin edited this topic 63 months ago.
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Good grief.
Like Striatic, I hardly ever encountered porn on Flickr. Until now.
(This is not a complaint, just a statement of fact. I turned safe search off myself).
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Hey I have a question which I feel fits in here..
If I admin a group and I want to keep dirty pictures out of the pool, but my personal settings are set to "safe", will I see the nude pictures in the pool or do I have to set my filter to "view all photos" in order to see the photos so I can remove them????
Hmmmm?? *taps foot*
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will I see the nude pictures in the pool
the unsafe photos will be replaced by an image that looks kindof like television static.
so you can remove the photo without looking at it.
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or you can visit it to look at it without changing your global safe search setting, and remove it after that.
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Pacdog doesn't look at porn.
Damn!
I am crushed that he will not be able to enjoy my stream.
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Thanks Stri.
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Oh no Steve. I do on occasion, but was woundering for all admins of all groups. Me no porn? That would be like Stri with no star!!
=o)
I set my filters to shexxy as soon as I could!!!!
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*hubba hubbas*
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Hi,
I'm not sure if I am in the right place but one of my pics was changed to moderate which means my whole account is sitting on moderate at the moment and although I don't think it was bad (no naked bits) all the relevant bits were covered! I have never shown anything lewd or pornographic perhaps a tiny glimpse of nipple but that's about it. I have to confess that I never ever used the safety filters as I didn't really make myself awayre of them (totally my own fault) since my account has been changed I have been more careful Ihave been moderating more closely. I was speaking to someone and they said that if my account has been changed from safe to moderate that it's highly unlikley it will get changed back to safe, is this true? and I would be grateful for any opinions on my pics as to what you think. I really feel quite down about this and I'm kicking myself that I didn't pay more attention to the rules. What do you think my chances are? My 30 days are up soon and I've heard that flickr are taking an awful long time to review. Well I hope somone can shed some light.
Thank you.
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The setting of your account to "moderate" isn't about your content per se, but about your accuracy at filtering your own images. So enough people must have complained to get you flagged, and Flickr staff changed your account status. To fix it, you have to correctly filter your images, and then you can ask for a review to get your account back to "safe".
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if my account has been changed from safe to moderate that it's highly unlikley it will get changed back to safe, is this true?
it isn't true. like the searcher says, you just have to do the leg work and mark your moderate images as moderate and your 'safe' images as safe.
after you've done this for all your photos [can be done quickly using organizr] ask to have your account status changed and then wait 30 days.
but if you just reapply without applying the filters, then it is unlikely that flickr will change your status.
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@The Searcher - Thank you, I do realise what I was doing wrong now, I hadn't bothered with the filtering at all and was adding to groups, I'm far more aware of the system now
@Striatic - I went in to organize and have done so many times in the past couple of weeks to apply the filters to my pics. I went back in to check them and the ones that I made moderate are now sitting back at safe. I reapplied the filters again setting some of my pics to moderate but everytime I go back in to check that I have done them correctly it gives me the option to change it back to moderate. CAn anyone tell me what is going on. I really would like my account to be changed back to safe but I'm worried that flickr will assume I'm not moderating my account.
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When you use the Organizr to change your photos to 'moderate', as long as you press OK, they should be changed. If you then load them up again in the Organizr, and go to Edit Permissions> Set Safety, the box that comes up will show your default setting as selected. That DOES NOT mean that your photos are set to Safe again. The Organizr DOES NOT show the CURRENT status of your photos. If you need to verify that the photos have become moderate, you need to check them individually on the photo page itself, by clicking the Flag This Photo link and looking at the setting.
Perhaps that is confusing you into thinking that the setting is not sticking?
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Yeah Brenda I think this is what I'm thinking "that the setting is not sticking" away to check it out, thank you very much for your help btw.
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I have photos that I think are safe on my stream and when I set them to this by using the organiser it lets me. When I check them in Flag Photo it doesn't let me change it to safe. I'm presuming this is because my account is on moderate but how will flickr know that I'm making the effort to monitor my images. Argghhhhh!
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Do you get an error message when you try to make it safe? Or does it say something like "this photo has been moderated by Flickr staff and cannot be changed"?
If the Flickr system has put the moderation flag on a photo, you can't change it. But if that is the case, the Organizr would tell you that it couldn't change the flag. It'll say something like 20 of 21 photos were changed. One couldn't be changed because it has been set by Flickr staff... or something like that.
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Hi Brenda, yes I just tried to change the pics to safe and the one that has been set to moderate said it had failed. Which is fine.
I'm presuming flickr staff will see then that I am making the effort to monitor my pics.
When I go to flag photo and try to change my pics that I think are safe it won't let me. It just stays on moderate but it lets me change it in the organiser.
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you may have a bug, Haggis Chick, and should report it in the help forum.
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oh dear where is that?
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Here: www.flickr.com/help/forum/
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Hi Brenda ,
i made a set called
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""Hints to be safe.""
www.flickr.com/photos/eagle1effi/sets/72157600171778709/
Please have look if i´, right. comment it please.
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Here i found a "mismanagement" on flickr.
www.flickr.com/groups/fff/pool/ is a female public, safe group.
someone posted a adult shot (porn)
www.flickr.com/photos/artposer/482478691/in/pool-fff/
and now i can see the adult shot on his site
the shot is named restricted by " for friends and family only" but i never had contact with this guy.
And i can see this. I left a comment on his shot.
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