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Congratulations!
Does that means we have to practice now?
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YAY!! Big hugs to the team!
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those are some nice ones to win
YAY flickr
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YEAH Congrats!
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While it's cool for Flickr to win anything, the Webby Awards are basically a scam -- the equivalent of trying to sell you expensive copies of Who's Who so that you'll buy them. They basically spam a ton of sites and try to get them each to pay $248 to be considered.
Of course only a few win but they keep everybody's money.
Very cool for Flickr and all, but if I ever won one, (and I won't) I'd turn it down in protest of a popularity contest that basically bilks a lot of smaller sites who might not be able to afford $248 to be considered.
$248 is an unreasonable entry fee for any contest.
It would be like if I spammed 500 photographers on flickr and asked them each to pay me $248 and I'd pick five and write them up as the five best photographers on flickr. If it were put this way on a personal level we'd all laugh at the concept and object.
Don't get me wrong. Flickr gets a lot more than $248 in publicity in the deal. But it's a bad deal for all of the other smaller sites who ponied up big fees and didn't win. Their choice of course, but still it doesn't sit right with me as the structure for a contest.
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Thomas Hawk edited this topic 27 months ago.
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This Web 2.0 stuff, well everbody's doing it. I think Flickr needs to be working on Web 3.0. Or maybe Web for Workgroups (Web 3.11)?
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Thomas Hawk.....you're such a fun sponge! Just kidding.
So, does this mean that FLICKr paid $248 to enter this contest? If so, I am utterly appalled.
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Now that flickr has two years running of Webby Awards, time to remove the Beta, doncha think?
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5,500 entires, pay $248 each =
one very nice buisness model.
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Yeah, i think it's a bit of a scam too.
If it's the same as last year all sites nominated for a bloggie get free entry into the webby's. So Flickr wouldn't have had to pay to enter. I was nominated one year and ever since i get spam in the post from the webby's coaxing me into paying the entry fee.
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dreadfuldan edited this topic 27 months ago.
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you can still be nominated by judges i believe. in past years i know that happened. they used to have months of a staff working on this and big free awards ceremonies underwritten by dotcom money. the shift to an entry fee was a post-bubble survival gambit, and i don't know what kind of revenue they really pull in, or how lucrative it actually turns out to be for them. tiffany is the goddess of PR (and networking as they say), of course, but she tends to gather interesting judges and get people looking at new sites via mainstream media reporting of the awards.
it is what it is, but winning can still be a good thing.
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No, of course it's a good thing for Flickr to win anything. The PR certainly can't hurt.
If repeat winners don't have to pay though that just makes it worse for all the little people that get spammed and are conned out of the $245.
To pay $245 for a contest that you most likely have no chance of winning would seem to eliminate a lot of great sites from consideration. This just makes me less impressed when I hear the term Webby.
SFist is a great news site. Perhaps even worthy of some award for their coverage of local news here in San Francisco. Yet they will not be getting a Webby because they don't want to pay the dough. There are probably a lot of great sites like this. I think that most people just aren't aware of this fact.
According to SFist in addition to the $245 you have to pay to enter you have to pay another $250 to actually go to the ceremony even if you win.
They write about it in their post, Let's Buy Us a Damn Webby.
As they put it, "That said, we'd like to congratulate the winners on being successful enough to have the dough to enter the competition. What can we say? We prefer recognition when it's not pay-for-play, and we'd way rather spend that $245 on beer."
www.sfist.com/archives/2006/05/09/lets_buy_us_a_damn_webb...
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Thomas Hawk edited this topic 27 months ago.
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Well done.
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Paying to go to an awards dinner (any awards dinner even when you win) is not a big surprise it's actually the norm for buisness.
companies do enter competitions all the time, and there is a fee, $250 does seem kinda high tho, but then some entries only cost $95
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It doesn't seem any different than paid photography competitions to me (which I avoid like the plague, but hey...)
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money ....scam ...plague
watever
flickr rocks !!!
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Does the fee include a Brain Scan w/them truffles?
(C O N G R A T S F L I C K R!)
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(As far as I know, we didn't enter -- and I'm sure I would have heard about it.)
But, "scam" is far too harsh: that's the way most large awards work (e.g., every design award has a large entry fee) -- partly to operate the program/make profit, and just as much so they don't have to wade through hundreds of thousands of submissions (which they would, if it was free).
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Yeah, scam is too harsh a word. I take that back. The price just seems excessive in this case and it doesn't quite sit right with me.
But then again it's not like anyone's arm is being twisted to send their money in and compete. I just checked on their FAQ and the entrance fee is prominently disclosed and you can actually pay only $195 as an early bird enterant.
It still doesn't quite sit right with me but I shouldn't have used the word scam which is more loaded than deserved in this case.
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Nah....I would still call it a scam. Maybe a "Legitimate Scam", as nobody is being dooped into paying it, but when they announce the winners of the awards and put out press releases and you read about it on the web, they don't tell us ,the public, that the entries (or most of them) had to pay to get in. I also think that if past winners don't have to pay it alters any true competitive playing field. If this is common among such contests, it just makes the entire concept of such contests very meaningless and silly to me. Just my opinion, obviously.
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i'm pretty sure that some of the winners do not enter even now, and are nominated by judges during the process. (this was true as of a year or so ago.)
(i'd better disclose right now that i'm on the "academy" list since years ago, which is something for which one is nominated, evidently, and never has to rejoin. it just happened one year. that means i have been called upon as a judge or a nominating judge in the community category, and almost did again this year but for being too busy at the time.)
judges don't get anything out of it other than the satisifaction or potentialfrustration of trying to prevent stupid stuff from winning. at one time we got to go to a free party, but no longer.
oh, i did get the press release announcing that flickr won, though, so that inspired me to post a big hurray here.
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fotogail edited this topic 27 months ago.
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This is quite common, I think, and kind of legitimises the contest (as opposed to being a grassroots sort of thing).
If I recall, nominating a programme or software title for the UK BAFTAs is a couple of hundred pounds. Then it's around £150 a seat at the ceremony.
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Like the famous "No money, No candy"...
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