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Yeah, but that gray bar at the top, is it announcing a massage or what? ;)
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According to the Fish:
"The system specially informs: Because outside the user picture directs the amount used oversized, Fotolog at present no longer supports 'free way' the user picture exterior quotation service"
Good to know. ;)
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I don't undestand that, quas. I think I'll use some engine to translate it to Spanish first.
BTW, can you guys tell us what terms of service you agreed to, by registering? :)
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Well that's like trying to figure out a puzzle! I got as far as creating an account here, but it refuses uploads. It says they're over 1mb, but they're not. Now I'm really curious Stri - how'd you get around that road block?
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okay, so i´ve tried every version of chinese and japanese characters in firefox and not yet figured out how to see the chinese characters instead of question marks (or worse--random western characters from the occidental coding that i use because most brazilian websites require it).
i did see from stri that it has everything but the kitchen sink...
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Did u try unicode? Works here...
No idea how to upload something there though :(
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D200guy [deleted] says:
I got the upload link here. After you create an account (which takes some hunting) I gather that's the link. However, I keep getting this message:
你没有上传文件,请检查图片是否超过1024KB！
Which translates: You do not have on to pass on the file, please inspect the picture whether surpasses 1024KB!
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this is like Turkish Star Wars.
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Hmm I already have an account, I am logged in but, when I follow that link it tells me Register and then I have to fill in forms like Fotolog, Mail and Fotolog... oh well
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I find their Future feature most interesting. The illustrated caption interface looks very familiar, and the link to the currently non-functional Flash-based slideshow also rings a bell. Insofar as its English-language links reveal, it records the methodical cloning of Flickr's tagging, moblogging and set-creation functionality.
Judging by its parent's .gov domain, fotolog.com.cn appears to be an enterprise of the PRC government.
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Here's the translation link:
translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=h...
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Smarty pants here might consider uploading that famous image of the citizen standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen square.
Just to be smarty pants in a bizarro world.
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I offer this proposed Fotolog logo:
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Hahaha that's great Matt!
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The management maintains difficult the translate user for immediate.
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It says they're over 1mb, but they're not. Now I'm really curious Stri - how'd you get around that road block?
it just let me upload a medium sized photo from flickr.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
this is hilarious.
I can't figure out the second page you get after clicking "registers the new user", though: what is supposed to go where?
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username, password, confirm password, email
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
thanks :-)
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by the way, i'm sure that any of us should be using a "good" email address for signing up.
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wow .. after going through this thing for a bit, a lot of it is better than flickr .. they have a really cool non flash based set creation system that is just flat out better than the one here.
i may have to switch!
they even have a flickr blog:
www.fotolog.com.cn/future/
plus, judging by the ranking list on the main page, i currently have the most popular photo on the service .. so what reason have i not to switch?
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i've got groups figured out:
squared circle, PRC edition
note how the layout here is also a direct lift from flickr.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
O.K. people, so fotolog.com.cn is the new Plan B in case flickr is unacceptably Yahoo!-ized? ;-D
All we have to do is learn about 10,000 pictograms and we're set. I've always wanted an excuse to learn Chinese :-)
警句 = quip
and
鞭子 = lash
gives
警句鞭子 = Quiplash!
Seriously, I suspect that Yahoo!'s legal department is going to have a field day with these people....
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Seriously, I suspect that Yahoo!'s legal department is going to have a field day with these people....
how?
the bottom right corner of the site say that it has been approved by the chinese government.
i don't think yahoo has much power in that particular jurisdiction.
further .. it isn't really cutting into flickr's 'market', my own decision to transfer all of my photos there and delete my flickr account notwithstanding.
so .. i guess it is simply a case of imitation being the most sincere form of flattery.
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I've found altavista.com translation tool to be superior.
And for some reason I can't get past the reg screen. I've filled in the details but clicking the button to create the account does nothing.
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there are two reg screens.
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heh, i still have only question marks, but i also have an account:
blau.fotolog.com.cn/
no problem here uploading small images.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
What three things does the second reg screen ask for? I'm like HJ (above), can't figure out what they mean by "Fotolog", "Mail", "Fotolog".
further .. it isn't really cutting into flickr's 'market', my own decision to transfer all of my photos there and delete my flickr account notwithstanding.
:-) As if you would leave (*sweeps arm*) all of this....
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
...and have you noticed the latest commenter to striatic's pic of the kitchen sink?
"Chinese flickr! "evrything is free in china , you know ,4 example the software that microsoft made"
LOL LOL
Somewhere Bill Gates is breaking out into hives :-)
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a fotolog.com.ch user commented on the kitchen sink photo:
striatic.fotolog.com.cn/photo_detail.f?photoid=112361
"are you all the user of flickr
well fotolog is free , n evrything is free in china , you know ,4 example the software that microsoft made"
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
I think I'll officially change my handle on Yahoo! 360º to 警句鞭子
Why fight when you can join??
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okay, on that second page i decided to put in my login, my login name again (for the e-mail address there) and then i randomly put in my flickr site for the third thing (seemed to be asking for your personal website or something--who knows--all question marks--not that i read chinese although a tiny bit o´ japanese might come in handy if they weren´t using simplified characters)
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okay, they haven´t yet programmed it so you don´t affect your own counts...
oh, i am having a hard time modifying photo titles and descriptions as well as my set.
as to that comment on stri´s pic, i wonder if i could go to a chinese website and download new verisons of windows (in chinese, of course)? this would have helped so much a few months back. then again, i can always buy a US$4 cd on the street...
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
Quiplash joins Glorious New Flickr Revolution:
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i don't think yahoo has much power in that particular jurisdiction.
The flip side of that is that if Flickr wants to steal anything back from them (like their cool set interface), they don't have to worry about getting sued! Yay for communism! ;)
Edit: Quiplash, you crack me up!
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Anybody notice that this gives Chinese citizens a great incentive to choose a subsidized, government-censorable clone of Flickr?
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Anybody notice that this gives Chinese citizens a great incentive to choose a subsidized, government-censorable clone of Flickr?
yup, and good for them.
by the way, it is rife with smut.
i do wonder about "choice" .. is flickr blocked by the great firewall of china?
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[never mind]
although i wonder how easy it even would be to pay for a flickr pro account from china--other flickrers have had problems in more open economies...
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i'm guessing images of Tiananmen memorials don't abide there.
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Striatic wondered: i do wonder about "choice" .. is flickr blocked by the great firewall of china?
While I don't know, I'd say that this would make it politically more palatable, domestically, for China to block it in the future. If potential photo-sharers are diverted into this Flickr ripoff, or could switch there, dissent would be lessened.
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i can't make it accept titles or info. i click above or below my photos to add text just like here but when i click save, it reverts back to chinese text which i assume is saying "add text here".
ideas?
how7how.fotolog.com.cn/
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I didn't have much trouble creating an account and upload a pic: just kind of kamakazied through and hoped for the best. I clicked on the "future" link in the top menu bar and it appears to list upcoming features to be added to Fotolog, such as a graphic depicting the fancy in-page Ajax editing of photo titles and descriptions. There is also an avatar picture of what I believe is the junior sushi chef from that Simpson's episode with the blow fish.
Fotolog: Best...knock-off...ever.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
OK finally getting the hang of this.
I screwed up quiplash, so you can find me at ryanvisit.fotolog.com.cn/
There are some lovely travel, landscape and scenery photos...
and here's a few photos I marked as favourites....
Thanks vacapinta, Altavista gives understandable but somewhat hilarious translations if you need help, for example:
"Gives striatic many encouragements immediately! Increases immediately for yours good friend"
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i'm guessing images of Tiananmen memorials don't abide there.
well, there is one way to find out.
While I don't know, I'd say that this would make it politically more palatable, domestically, for China to block it in the future.
the users there seem to have a knowledge of flickr, by their comments.
i will ask if flickr is blocked.
ideas?
use IE .. it seems to like IE better. although firefox works for the vast majority of things.
such as a graphic depicting the fancy in-page Ajax editing of photo titles and descriptions.
they've already implemented this .. it's just like flickr.
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quiplash, you figured out the great mystery of many encouragements immediately (how to favorite)--wow!
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now i need to figure out their favourites system, dammit.
damn you quip, damn you.
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stri, how do you join a group? i uploaded a squared circle but am fairly lost on joining groups or adding to them...
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it's not a gov backing web site, all web site in China should put a ICPI(internet content provider) logo on their web site which redirecting to MII(Ministry of Informaiton Industry) registration web site.
actually, there are some similar "copy cat" in China to mimic flickr, delicious, as well other social software web sites.
(Anything you guys would like to know about this web site, I'd like to do some helps)
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
Thank you, Isaac Mao. We who do not speak Chinese may ask you some questions :-)
If you are signed into your account on fotolog.com.cn, all you have to do to add a photo to your favourites list is to click on the hypertext link BENEATH the photo, to the right of the date and time, which says 收藏此图.
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Isaac Mao, thank you! This is why I ever-so-craftily hedged my description of the domain. ;-) I stand sort of corrected.
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Somebody post a nude or anti-Chinese-gov photo and find how quick the government finds you.
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isaac, if you could provide links to some other copycats, that would be cool.
also, do you know if flickr is blocked in china?
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well, seeing as isaac´s profile says he is in china... unless this is roc instead of proc...
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stri, how do you join a group?
go to the group page:
www.fotolog.com.cn/group/group_index.f?groupid=864
and click: 加入群组
then go to your photostream and click: 共享图片至群组
then go to the photo you want to add and select the group from the drop down menu.
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oh, no, now i added the one above it by mistake and can´t seem to take it out!
okay, i deleted that pic and re-uploaded it, but in the group it just means that it´s a bad link. really sorry about that.
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Guys, this is becoming too specific and long-winded for FlickrCentral. Perhaps you should spin this off to a new "Bizarro World Flickr" group? ;)
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Striatic, your pictures are on their front page!
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Striatic, your pictures are on their front page!
as most popular, if you can believe it.
Perhaps you should spin this off to a new "Bizarro World Flickr" group? ;)
that's a really good idea .. we could have different threads with tutorials on how to make accounts and so on..
yes ..
now, who's going to go start it?
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
(*points to Striatic*)
but I'm willing to co-admin...
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i can't start it because soon i will be deleteing my flickr account and moving everything over there, so it has to be someone else.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
(*jaw drops open*)
Omigod you're serious!! And how do you plan to explain to all the American contacts you're soon to visit, that you are leaving Flickr? Not to mention all the photos you geotagged. Tell me I'm just really gullible.... please tell me you're pulling my leg.
Ahhh, well, I'm willing to share duties with someone else.... volunteers? Actually, it would be a good idea if we have at least one fluent Chinese speaker. Maybe two ;-)
We'll just set striatic up as the official flickr ambassador to fotolog.com.cn. Yeah, that's it. Ambassador Striatic ;-) it sounds suitably Star Wars.
Uhhh, so.... until we get a core group of admins for this undertaking, I vote we stay put.... for now.
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But what do we call striatic's Dark Side alter ego?
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Don't worry, Quip. He's joking. :)
Striatic, your pictures are on their front page!
...and so is one from Genista. Behold the Flickr invasion!
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Matt, it's
 citairts
But don't ask me how to pronounce that. :-)
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Darth Bowler?
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What are these categories on the front page? Looks like my brain made it into two of those.
Edit: ah, the urls are english. so the outer two are recent streams, the middle two hot photos and (hot?) tags, respectively.
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If you look at groups on flickr, there are plenty of Chinese groups, as well as users with China in their locations, and not just Taiwan. So I doubt China blocks flickr. China blocking google got a lot of news; blocking flickr would presumably also be in the news (and hence googleable).
I'm getting more of a kick out of the flickr reaction to this, to tell the truth.
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Flickr is not blocked in China as I can' always access it here.
The censoship mechanism(so called "Great Firewall") is still sensitive to text, but not so intelligent on photos and graphics. However, I'm curious if Flickr deploy servcie in China, how gov will press it just like to Google(now google news is still blocked in China).
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blocking flickr would presumably also be in the news (and hence googleable).
in that 'against nudity' thread some people mentioned that saudi arabia had already blocked flickr, so maybe the news wasn't out yet .. i think what got news was not china blocking google, but china asking google to make changes and google agreeing to make those changes.
Flickr is not blocked in China as I can' always access it here.
cool. i suppose when and if flickr puts out international versions of its service this may have to be rehashed all over again.
part of the reason i'm moving all of my stuff over there and deleteing my flickr account is because i want my photos to be accessible by as many people as possible, and if china blocks flickr all of the group pool flooding in the world won't be able to make up for it.
Don't worry, Quip. He's joking. :)
about what?
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so are you going to have a goodbye party or just disappear?
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
What are these categories on the front page?
OK, here goes. I'm talking about the list of categories in the box in the upper-left-hand corner of the main screen, fotolog.com.cn.
FIRST ROW (Tags)
These seem to vary from day to day so the best thing to do is run it thru the altavista BabelFish translator.
There is a fuller (but not complete) tags list at URL www.fotolog.com.cn/tags.f which you can also feed through BabelFish (almost all the Chinese characters are translatable into English, e.g. :
"I am the king of big"
"Railroad picture"
"Lust metropolis" (?!)
"National defense knowledge competition sketch")
SECOND ROW (推荐 = "Recommendation")
最新 • Newest
热门 • Popular
人气最旺 • "Human spirit most prosperous", i.e. top-favourites
排行榜 • "order list", top 40 users, top 40 groups
群组 • "group group", top groups, sorted by number of members
邀请朋友 = invite a friend
THIRD ROW (分类 = Classification)
流行 • Popular
人物 • Character
风光 • Scenery
旅行 • Travel
美食 • Food
汽车 • Automobiles
其他 • "Other"
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part of the reason i'm moving all of my stuff over there and deleteing my flickr account is because i want my photos to be accessible by as many people as possible, and if china blocks flickr all of the group pool flooding in the world won't be able to make up for it.
Well, there is some logic to this, if you value accessibility over censorship. And all the cool things are happening here (e.g. geotagging).
But you're assuming China will at some future point block Flickr, and that's still an unknown. At least check with a few people at Yahoo! Inc. (via caterina and/or stewart) before you decide; I'm sure they must have some experience in this area already (I'd be rather shocked if they didn't, after a decade).
At least consider keeping a token account on flickr, so that flickrites who want to keep in touch with you don't have to set up a second account on fotolog.com.cn in order to do so.
You've made a lot of good contacts here, Ambassador Striatic ;-) so don't shut it down completely... keep a small window open so people can throw things through to you. You never know what advantages there could be from having a foot in both camps.
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
At least, let us throw you a Roast ;-)
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That was fun,.... next.
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Related, I think. Though how, precisely, I'm not sure, yet.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4617657.stm
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Stri, I'm really having trouble reading you. You're kidding about moving over to fotolog, right?
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@T_a_k: Very related. This is precisely why the advent of a PRC Flickr clone bugs me. This can be read as a two-level game: divert PRC users to a state-regulated site, then close off access to its foreign equivalent. Your BBC story (published today, June 7, 2005) deserves to be quoted, so that casual readers can see what's going on:
Chinese Blogs Face Restrictions
The Chinese government has announced plans to police web forums, chat rooms and blogs alongside other websites.
Websites in China have long been required to be officially registered.
The authorities are now determined that blogs should also be brought under state control.
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Private bloggers must register the full identity of the person responsible for the sites, the Chinese Ministry of Information Industry (MII) said.
Commercial publishers and advertisers can face fines of up to one million yuan (£66,000) if they fail to register.
All blogs and websites must be registered by 30 June.
'Don't bother'
"The internet has profited many people but it also has brought many problems, such as sex, violence and feudal superstitions and other harmful information that has seriously poisoned people's spirits," said a statement on the MII website, explaining why the new rules were necessary.
It has developed a system which will monitor sites in real time and search each web address for its registration number. Any that are not registered will be reported back to the Ministry, the statement said.
Blogs are often used in countries where freedom of speech is limited as a way of speaking out against the ruling power.
The new rules could be devastating for bloggers who do not toe the Chinese Communist party line, said Reporters Without Borders.
"Those who continue to publish under their real names on sites hosted in China will either have to avoid political subjects or just relay the Communist Party's propaganda," the organisation said.
"The authorities hope to push the most outspoken online sites to migrate abroad where they will become inaccessible to those inside China because of the Chinese filtering systems," it added.
Known as the Great Firewall, the filtering system used by the Chinese government is not entirely unbreachable; for every new restriction and technical door that it slams shut, the Chinese people find a hack, a workaround or an entirely new way of communicating.
According to official figures, about 75% of sites have already complied with the new procedure.
In May, many bloggers received e-mails telling them to register or face having their blogs declared illegal.
But one anonymouse [sic] China-based blogger told Reporters Without Borders that when he phoned the MII to register he was told not to bother because "there was no chance of an independent blog getting permission to publish".
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another two mock up sites in China:
www.yupoo.com
www.skypp.com
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Ha! I love it: "Yupoo v0.6.1"!
I think the rest of the Skypp site is a Pbase knockoff, but the front page is certainly Flickrish.
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blog.flickr.com was blocked in China.
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