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The fourth cluster, containing names like joi, marccanter, anildash, plasticbag, lia etc, can be named the "Blogger Cluster"
Nice work.
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Done, thanks. I know almost none of these people - I feel like I jumped from my tiny suburb into orbit to take a peek. ;)
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wow.
that graph doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
actually, it is remarkable how little it surprises me.
that "blogger cluster" is a real "who's who"
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There's a lot of interesting things there. One I just noticed is that you can see who the "ambassadors" are - people who are well-connected to people in different clusters. Striatic for example makes a good ambassador between the main Flickr cluster and the old-timers, as does txkimmers. Likewise, a user named dhabyani seems to exist between the UAE crowd and the main cluster. Sure enough, looking at their profile, they have a good mix of UAE folks as well as general Flickr people.
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that graph doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
This statement doesn't surprise me in the slightest, either.
I hope you at least enjoyed not being surprised.
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yes .. the 'edge nodes' are interesting .. i'm right between the main cluster and the GNE cluster .. creeping slowly towards the main group.
the people in the center of the clusters are interesting too.
in the middle of the "neterati" cluster you've got your "doctorow" and "anildash", "plasticbag" and "marccanter"
in the middle of the GNE cluster, you've got your "ellipse", "ricardo", "kallese" and "loliinspired"
"caterina" and "stewart" are nodes between the GNE and neterati clusters.
then, over in the main cluster, you've got your "fubuki", "efatima", "ivonne", "tamaki"and "auntiep"
the UAE cluster i don't know very well, but recently hyper-gemini, at the core of that group, dedicated a set to me and made me a contact .. so, might the network fold in upon itself over time?
interesting stuff.
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oh .. and there is another cluster in there you're missing.
the south west area of the 'main cluster' is the fotolog.net emigres.
core of that cluster is "pandarine" and "sabinche" and "nannish_one"
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you know what would be cool, gustavo? to colour these graphs by group membersip.
like, what's the distribution of people in GNEverywhere versus fotolog.net or uaegettogether
I hope you at least enjoyed not being surprised.
i loved it : )
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How did you map the users into the 2d space? (Just addressing the fact that there are many ways of representing a grpah in 2D.) Why is, for example, warrenellis an outlier? (I know who he is, but why does he happen to be on the edge? Was this a conscious choice?)
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colour these graphs by group membersip
Yes, I have thought it would be interesting to see what FlickrCentral looks like, also FlickrSocial.
How did you map the users into the 2d space?
I used two different programs to visualize the network, both gave virtually the same result. The graphics I posted were created using yEd Graph Editor, with the "organic" layout algorithm.
The requirement of no overlap between nodes causes all kinds of distortions, including throwing some nodes way out like you noticed. A bit misleading, but a must, to be able to visualize anything at all.
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What is GNE and UAE?
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Game Never Ending = a project that was almost Flickr. United Arab Emirates = a place that's almost ... ?
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Oh man. If only I had been a *little* less discriminating, I would have been on the ">= 50" graph. :)
Is there a way to graph antisocial behavior?
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So what does each edge represent in this graph, since these people have at least 50 mutual contacts?
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" Oh man. If only I had been a *little* less discriminating, I would have been on the ">= 50" graph. :)
Is there a way to graph antisocial behavior?"
/me laughs.
Interesting stuff.
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Oh man. If only I had been a *little* less discriminating, I would have been on the ">= 50" graph. :)
i'm pretty sure the data used is from before you made your flickr account.
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forgive my ignorance, but you said you used the natural algo. Is there a way to map it using your power law info, or is that the same thing? or is that how you got the info on the central people?
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I wonder how the central or core figures correlates with views of their streams...
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So what conditions in your real life determine where you will land on this map and who you will be connected to?
I started mucking about with Flickr almost a year ago. I never played GNE, I just met the core GNE group in chat--that is also how I met striatic. I don't blog, I am not a social software inuit. It really makes sense to me to be where I am on this map too.
I do find it interesting that what looks like the base of the network, the fat main Flickrland cluster, is not the source of its origin. I only say that because I recognize the older accounts among the GNE'ers and the bloggers.
It would be very cool to see a visual timeline of the growth of the overall network.
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Gustavo -- this is so cool. I love your graphs. It really is interesting to see the clusters and then the neighborhoods within the clusters.
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So what conditions in your real life determine where you will land on this map and who you will be connected to?
Good question, and I have no idea what the typical answer would be.
In my case, I would be in the vicinity of the fotolog.net subcluster even though never used fotolog. I guess that my aesthetic preferences made me gravitate towards some people in that area, which guided me to contact their contacts.
I guess that's also why I didn't recognize it as "the fotolog.net subcluster" - that's where I am, but not for that reason. :)
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... has left the building [deleted] says:
You never seize to amaze me, Gustavo!
And I mean that in a positive way ;-)
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viceroy321 [deleted] says:
GNE = have a look
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I ended up pretty much smack dab in the main Flickr cluster, next to Special and just a couple of node diameters away from fubuki. If things had gone a little differently in my life just a few years back when I was riding the dot-com curve (unfortunately, up only briefly and then rather quickly down into implosion) before becoming a federal wage slave in the end, I might have ended up in the blogger cluster with the blogerati; as things turned out, though, I know them but they don't know me.
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So what conditions in your real life determine where you will land on this map and who you will be connected to?
Interestingly, what I haven't yet seen here in Flickr is the formation of a queer cluster; while there does seem to be some mutual linking from participation in the "Ecce, Homos" and "LGBT" groups, it apparently hasn't reached a large enough mass of interconnectedness to be recognizable separately from the main cluster at the 50-contact level yet.
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what I haven't yet seen here in Flickr is the formation of a queer cluster
I applaud that, for the same reason that would have made it sad to see a clear separation between men and women.
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girls can be queer too, can't they? Unless queer is gender-specific in a way that I didn't know about.
Gustavo, I have been thinking about these Flickr metrics of yours, and how to link them to other measurable factors in my life. Specifically, the 15 lbs. I have layered onto my tuchus due to inordinate time spent Flickring.
If I used my mutual Flickr contacts as X, and the pounds packed on as Y, then I might be able to measure the caloric density of each contact, no?
Although, as I have a closer relationship with some contacts vs. others, then the caloric density would vary as well. My friends and family would definitely be more fattening than new contacts, obviously.
And for those whose friendship has extended into the world of IM, well you are all just big human chocolate fudge sundaes, arentcha?
This is depressing, I am going to go work out.
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Gustavo - I just found a super new app on del.icio.us called Flickr
Graph It shows people, their contacts and their photos. For me it only showed a few contacts, mostly only those I had marked as "freinds" so I couldn't see my whole network...
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very cool app that flickr graph. interesting that it only shows me connected to tosska. not sure why that is...
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elfintech:
there seems to be a mini gay (male) cluster that comments on violentz's photos. not yet on gustavo's map, but it will probably appear eventually. after i commented on one or two of violentz's photos, i suddenly had a couple of gay men add me as a contact--don't think it is a coincidence (they also comment on violentz's pics).
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Just checked FlickrGraph - which shows me floating in a limbo, not connected to anyone...
It was just featured in the flickr blog, btw.
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very impressive work!
if we had a measure of strength of connection, we could be onto something very cool!
for example, it is the edge players (assuming that they are strongly connected to others in the clusters
that also have strong connections) that are the real networkers. (they have the fewest connections into the existing clusters, and more out into the flickr ether) These folks could be the "attractors" that give rise to new clusters.
or not- it all depends on a few more factors not capture yet
very stimulating!!!
thanks to all!
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Strength of connection... I thought of playing with weight of connection in two ways, one strengthening it, the other weakening it.
Strengthening: the more shared groups, the more the two users comment on each other's photos, etc. Ah, the things one could do with direct access to the database... :)
Weakening: If I have "just" fifty mutual contacts, perhaps each should be weighted higher than if I had four hundred mutual contacts. The intuition would be that everything else being equal, the more people I socialize with, the less I'll be able to socialize with each of them. (In Spanish, "quien mucho abarca, poco aprieta".)
Combining both could yield very nice results, and might unravel a bit the too-tightly-knit center of the network, which is due mostly to very highly-connected people.
On another topic, last night I uploaded this Flickr social network visualization stuff, and today Flickr Graph, a Flickr social network visualization tool is published (and even makes it to the Flickr Blog).
Is this one major Flickr coincidence, indicative of... what?
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Along with the fact of your enormous responses this indicates, among other things, that there is immense interest in this topic!
Now, what do the edges represent in this graph?
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The edges in my graphs represent mutual contact relationships. I'm not sure that's what you're asking, though?
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Man, Gustavo, your mind is a beautiful thing. All the graphs each have an interesting quality.
Now Striatic will want a list of dead bowling networks!
This is truly fascinating!!
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....i'm like all, am i popular or what?
I analyzed the raw data: www.flickr.com/photos/gustavog/sets/113313/
…provided by gustavog and equated the results by categorizing his clusters into popularity subgroups as defined by characters in the breakout movie of the 1980s, THE BREAKFAST CLUB:
the Brian Johnson(s) as played by Anthony Michael Hall:
www.flickr.com/photos/gustavog/4499381/in/set-113313/
The Claire Standish(es) as played by Molly Ringwald
and the Andrew Clarke(s) as played by Emilio Estevez:
www.flickr.com/photos/gustavog/4499392/in/set-113313/
The Allison Reynolds as played by Ally Sheedy
www.flickr.com/photos/gustavog/4499404/in/set-113313/
Then finally the bottom of the flickr popularity food chain (hello where I fall in duh!):
The John Bender(s) as played by Judd Nelson:
www.flickr.com/photos/gustavog/4499411/in/set-113313/
(silly me!)
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bender was always my favorite.
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hmmm....so the really social folks who add to the photo churn and conversation get the farmer ted label? dern! sucks.
so to game this i need to significantly drop my current contacts and not reciprocate any new adds - then i can be a cool bender type. ironic, i'll have to cut marya as a contact to try to be her fav :)
hehehe - M, you know i couldnt wouldnt ever do that :)
farmer ted...please. yikes, if flickr is really just high school all over again...(strained vein pops in his head, dies instantlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyydjssdkhsa;fsd''''''''''''''
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Ahh GustavoG. Your reply answered my question. Thanks. I just missed something in your original description.
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lol fu. so not farmer ted.
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I'm strangely reminded of this (diagram of teen couples in an Ohio high school) which I came across here (Caterina's blog).
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Nothing strange about the connection. :)
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I haven't seen this posted, so www.marumushi.com/apps/flickrgraph/
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You might want to look earlier in this thread and even in the FlickrBlog.
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i've found gustavo's graph to be more revealing than the flickrgraph system, but the flickr graph is a bunch of fun.
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If it works for you, it probably is fun. For me, it didn't do anything. Just my icon floating in the middle of nowhere, no contacts at all. :(
(It did display graphs when starting from other users, so it's not a technical failure of my browser.)
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Along with the fact of your enormous responses this indicates, among other things, that there is immense interest in this topic!
Indeed, the graphs have been viewed a lot. The one I included in the top posting here was viewed 500 times in the first 12 hours, and a bit over 800 times in the first 24 hours, quickly becoming my second most-viewed image.
And that, without even being mentioned in the FlickrBlog, in today's article about visualizing Flickr's social relationships.....
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And that, without even being mentioned in the FlickrBlog, in today's article about visualizing Flickr's social relationships.....
yeah, that did seem a bit odd. and also odd that it doesn't work with your name gustavo.
but who needs the flickr blog anyway.
: )
anyway .. i was wondering if people had any ideas as to how to use/exploit our new found understanding of the flickrverse?
might it change anyone's group invitation strategies? encourage people to explore other clusters?
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I for one would like to be able to use connectivity information to explore other parts of the Flickrverse:
Go to parts of the network that I haven't been to before and see different collective tastes in photography. Investigate small circles of friends with unusual perspectives, see family circles, groups of college friends, special interest groups.
One might find gold in these explorations, or at least a little entertainment!
Well, time to go outside and do a long exposure. I see some neat clouds in the night sky.
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Just added a new graph: the main network of testimonials. Mutual testimonials are displayed by double links between nodes.
Also added the mini-nets outside that main cluster (for the voyeur in you, striatic).
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For info: Marcos on the subject of Flickr graph.
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"might it change anyone's group invitation strategies? encourage people to explore other clusters?"
I seem to have been added by a few of the UAE contingent (and had some of my pics faved by them with no comment) So with my sturdy sneakers on I trekked over and checked out their little corner of the world. Also seem to have an area that's based in asia/indonesia that's next on my list to explore.
Is there a breakout by country/language at work here as well?
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"anyway .. i was wondering if people had any ideas as to how to use/exploit our new found understanding of the flickrverse?
might it change anyone's group invitation strategies? encourage people to explore other clusters?"
Hmmm. I shall print a poster size version of the Flickr map, throw a dart at it, and whoever it hits, I shall go introduce myself.
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Gustavo - Phenomenal work, you've outdone yourself yet again!
Bohdi47 - come on over to Indonesia - you're welcome anytime! ;)
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print a poster size version of the Flickr map, throw a dart at it, and whoever it hits, I shall go introduce myself
"Hi - I just threw a dart at you! Are you ok? Nice to meet you!"
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urbandiscount [deleted] says:
hmmmmm---a dutch subnet is growing, but at least it also connects IRL, in bars...now, how would you graph that? ...."also meet IRL"
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Gustavo, I have a better idea--I will open the original version of said graph and pitch a suction dart at my monitor.
That's much more high-tech anyway than printing. Plus it reduces virtual pain for the object of my dartification.
Well, except for the pain of meeting me, of course.
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extra-ordinary
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fabulous, isn't it?
GG you are adorable.
Hyperbole only this evening, I'm afraid :)
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I noticed that a modification of one of the network graphs was uploaded even though mine were set to "all rights reserved".
This prompted me to change the license of all these network graphs to "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike".
Please correct the license if you uploaded a remix. Thanks!
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Quiplash [deleted] says:
Yeah, just fixed that, GustavoG. Flickr now automatically assigns "all rights reserved" by default, which was far from my intention. I just thought what you'd done was SO cool, I loaded it into Photoshop to highlight where I was in the Flickrverse :-)
Anyways, licence fixed to "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike".
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You can also add a note to the original map, as long as it includes a witty remark. :)
(Though fubuki's are hard to beat.)
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Gustavo:
You have math critic who thinks the graphing could be more precise.
www.tom-carden.co.uk/weblog/2005/02/half-baked-thoughts-o...
The details are way over my head, but if you haven't read the blog posting, you should check it out.
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So, this is the Flickr version of "Six Degrees of Seperation," hmm?
Interesting.
I wonder where Kevin Bacon fits in?
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You have math critic
No worries, Tom and I communicate regularly. :)
We agree that the graphing could be improved significantly. What I did was not particularly fancy, but I'm glad that it revealed the underlying structure with meaningful clusters, which were not pre-imposed on the analysis.
And yes, this is the Flickr version of the six degrees of separation.
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this is so facinating.
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Good stuff and gooder conversation...
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purplephilia, UAE stands for United Arab Emirates
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MD..>> [deleted] says:
lol ok this one comes late but a short brief on UAE can be found in the description here
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