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It's your breath, GustavoG...
hehehehe
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I don't think I have ever dropped a contact that I have added, and I *was* under the mistaken assupmption that I had to add a contact to send a Flickrmail. I'm in agreement with Gustoavo that it's probably a phenomenon of the mistaken Flickrmail thing.
Posted 81 months ago.
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heh, that's kinda funny. I don't really care much about who is on my list and whose list I am on to be honest.. other than my RL friends... often I don't reciprocate the contact thing anyway, if i am not into their images for instance...and I will periodically cull my list to remove people I dont like.
People will always pimp out their stream for one thing or another... sounds kinda boring to me to be honest
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Wow, and there was me thinking Gustavo had dropped a contact lens, I was just getting ready to help look for it. lol.
I'm with you Superchou. Only time I pay attention to whether or not someone should be a contact of mine is if they repeatedly invite me to groups I have no interest in.
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Seems to me the contact list isn't much more than a list of bookmarks to many (I prefer to keep mine as browser favorites though), so including or dropping people doesn't mean much. Personally I don't think contacts work as they should, they're devalued when there is no alternative for simple bookmarks. People have hundreds or even thousands of "contacts", something they obviously aren't.
Originally posted 81 months ago.
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I think that some contacts just drop themselves. I could have sworn that I had a few people in my contact list, people that I interact with often - yet they were not! I made them my contacts again - and they were just as surprised that I was not on their contact list.
Has this happened to anyone else?
I think there's a Secret Flickr Contact Eater at work here ;)
Posted 81 months ago.
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I've only dropped one or two contacts who persisted in inviting me to groups - a practice that had become inundatory (new word? I doubt it, but I like it).
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Yes, I have mysteriously lost some contacts too. I was more than once surprised to discover that some people were not in my contacts list, and at least in one case the person could confirm having received the contact mail long ago.
I still don't think this was the case in the examples I mentioned. :)
Posted 81 months ago.
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Personally I don't think contacts work as they should, they're devalued when there is no alternative for simple bookmarks.
i would very strongly disagree, for i think that this is why flickr is as vibrant as it is.
because while there is "There is no obligation for you to reciprocate" the vast majority do .. and these reciprocal subscriptions are the underlying basis of the hit engine that is flickr.
blind bookmarking does not articulate the "you look at my photos, i'll look at yours" karmic ebb and flow that underlies so much of the social fabric here.
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This seems a bit overwrought... as noted, Flickr says "There is no obligation for you to reciprocate." And so that's what it means. Ditto there is no obligation to notify someone if you drop them. Contacts are intended to keep abreast of someone else's page, and also let the other person know that is being done...and that's all. Blind bookmarking seems a little rude, but if you really want to blind bookmark someone, just use your browser's bookmarks.
Posted 81 months ago.
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I prefer being made contact by someone with 10 or 20 contacts rather than someone who has 1000 contacts. I reciprocate a contact if they have less than 150. Anything over that...? Unless they have really good photos, I am not going to reciprocate and make them a contact.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Ah but keep in mind that some of us have built those numbers quite slowly. While I'm clearly not the "average" Flickr user, I am downright stingy about adding people to my contacts. I want to actually be able to keep up with most of them, and some people I run into often enough that adding them isn't necessary unless I love their work. As of this moment, 2301 people have me on their contact list, and I have 212. That hardly makes me a knee-jerk contacter - quite the contrary. 50 of those 212 are friends and family (and the vast majority actual, real life, know em in the flesh friends and family).
I've dropped a few from time to time, usually when I don't know them personally and they either stop uploading regularly or completely stop uploading anything I really want to see anymore. Never had to drop anyone because they were spamming me or anything of that nature.
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@GustavoG - some people are always tinkering, never satisfied. Perhaps they wanted more left handed people to balance out their list.
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Theory two - maybe they get accepter remorse and feel compulsive about approving new contacts, afraid to hurt feelings. Then silently in the night deleting them.
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To clarify: in both cases, I had not contacted the people first. Someone contacts me, and then drops me as a contact almost immediately. That's the behavior I don't understand.
I understand that some people don't care about contacts at all, but presumably these people contacted me for some reason of their own, only to revert it soon after.
Posted 81 months ago.
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one possibility: in order to flickrmail someone you need to make them a contact. so let's say one does that and starts a flickrmail message. but then changes his mind, and then decontacts that member, too.
as far as "ethics" are concerned... a non-starter, but decontacting likely goes unnoticed by all but the few who actually check up on such goings on...
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in order to flickrmail someone you need to make them a contact.
As written in the top post: that's a misconception. You don't have to.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Maybe they just made a silly mistake like I did the first time I decided to do a little "contact spring cleaning":
I clicked "change" but in the next screen I clicked OK instead of "remove". (I don't know why! I was lazy reading, I guess.)
At that time, those people got a notice that I made them a contact (again). Soon after, I realized my mistake and went back to corrected it at which time these contacts were dropped.
Posted 81 months ago.
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flickrmail is not an intuitive application, even though there are other ways to flickrmail a non-contact. you click on your flickrmailbox icon and then click to send a message. you're given a choice of one of your contacts but no fill-in-the-blank option. so my supposition holds as a valid possibility. and if you believe (as I did) that the only way to email is to 'contact' then the possibility is real (even if the belief is erroneous).
Originally posted 81 months ago.
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I've mysteriously lost contacts, too! I can tell you at least two people who disappeared from my list without me removing them.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Like awfulsara, I try to keep my contacts to a level where it's possible to follow them. For me that is also 40+ real life friends, a total of around 200. That means some rearranging every now and again.
For example, I've recently started using film, so I think it's likely that more people using film will be added, while people who exclusively use digital may be dropped. I really think this is no big deal.
At least two people I know in reallife have been in and out of my contacts list more than once. This is a Flickr feature to be used to enhance our ability to 'share photos'. That's all. It's certainly not anything to do with how much we may or may not actually like anybody.
The blocked list, ahh the blessed block list. That is another matter. I wish we could make our streams completely invisible, whenever we wish. Or just to certain people. Oh yes. :)
Posted 81 months ago.
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I've lost my contacts and now I can't see anything. I am not even sure of what I just typed.
Posted 81 months ago.
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@roschle they're on the dresser...
Posted 81 months ago.
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or look in the fridge.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Actually, you can send Flickrmail to anyone who lists YOU as a contact, even if you don't list them.
There was a thread like this recently in another group.
I add people whose photos really move me in some way. Either their subject strikes me, or their style -- but their photos have to speak to me on a deeper level.
When it comes to tit-for-tat adding, I generally don't do it. I'm always flattered when someone lists me as a new contact, but I only reciprocate if their stream meets the above "requirements" when I check it out.
As for adding people as Contacts, Friends or Family -- I'm too lazy to specify beyond "contact," and I never upload private photos so I don't bother (unless the person is a real-life [er, meatspace -- a term I had to look up!] friend or relative). On the flip-side, I'm always super flattered when people I really admire add me as a Friend. (Of course, I'm also honored if they add me as just a Contact!)
Save for a few Flickrites, I haven't yet gotten deep into the Flickr social scene, so my Contact list is not at all influenced by Flickr friendships -- though there are a few contacts that I've become somewhat friendly with AFTER the fact.
I have dropped contacts who, for whatever reason, I no longer care to follow. Sometimes their stream no longer interests me, isn't updated regularly, or -- in one recent case -- I realized this contact was someone I just didn't like as a person.
*As of this post, I have 74 contacts (including my boyfriend and a close friend) and there are 165 people who count me as a friend or contact.
And, btw, why is it considered rude to bookmark someone as opposed to adding them as a contact? I don't do it, but it seems to me that doing it means you really like the person's work and don't particularly care if they ever see your own stream or not. In many ways, it seems LESS self-seving.
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I've definitely had people drop off my contacts list without me doing anything - I truly believe flickr eats them. I'll have been wondering why I havn't seen any of X's work for ages, then realise they've vanished from my list and I've missed them.
But I've recently pruned my list as I can't keep up - what I'd really really like instead is an extra category of contacts, so I could have family, outside-friends (who could get all my amusing-only-to-us social snaps), flickrfriends and contacts, usually people I just reciprocate on - and I'd like to be able to see only the flickrfriends recently added pics, so when I'm having a busy time, I can keep up with theirs. Yeah yeah, I *know* this has been mentioned a thousand times!
Originally posted 81 months ago.
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to be honest the thing that annoys the crap outta me are the times you get added by a guy who objously is only adding women... I am sure every other chick who has spent more than a month on here can relate to this. you get added by some guy and when you click thru to see who it is who added you all you see is a contact list of girls... like flickr is some type of dating service... some go even further sending a note filled with sexualized comments... has happened to me 2x already... that is what I call annoying.
Posted 81 months ago.
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And, btw, why is it considered rude to bookmark someone as opposed to adding them as a contact? I don't do it, but it seems to me that doing it means you really like the person's work and don't particularly care if they ever see your own stream or not. In many ways, it seems LESS self-seving.
i think it all balances out.
by just making a browser bookmark you may avoid 'advertising' yourself .. but on the other hand it isn't innately advertising when flickr informs the person that there is no obligation to reciprocate.
then you have the other side of the story, which is where it is nice to let someone know that they have viewers and making someone your contact is a gentle way of announcing that.
i don't think that either blind bookmarking or contact making is more 'self serving' than the alternative .. both are alternative subscription strategies that i think are equally acceptable.
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..the title "Ethics Series..." presupposes that there are more topics in the "series", but I did a search and couldn't find any...so, this is the first in the series and we can expect more...soon I hope?
..and I do drop contacts I make as their/or my own interests change
..I have no idea why anyone decides to make me a contact and they can keep/or remove with no presumption of rudeness on my part
..off topic, but..what's up with this flickr-mail limitation some people mention?..there's a "send a message to..." link in everyone's profile, so you can flickr-mail anyone, right?
Posted 81 months ago.
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Maybe rude is the wrong word, but if you're enjoying someone's photos it only seems polite to let them know that.
A broader point: if one is microfixating on what contact adding or dropping might mean, perhaps it's time to spend a little less time online and more outside (with your camera of course).
Posted 81 months ago.
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I only have a handful of contacts. The first time I added a contact, I wondered if it was rude or presumptious to do so when I didn't really know the person. I was glad I did, because that person takes photos I really enjoy. I was even more amazed when that person added me to her contacts. I try to keep my contacts down to people who share my interests and hobbies and don't just take random shots of everything but mostly stick to themes I value. I've not deleted anyone from my contacts, but over time, if a few of my early contacts don't become more active in posting photos I may delete them because I do actually check my contacts updated photos regularly. I am still a bit shy about initiating a contact with someone even when I like their photos. I am more likely to leave comments of appreciation on photos instead. I've not had any of the typical problems mentioned in previous postings because I just don't have a large volume of contacts or traffic to my pictures.
Originally posted 81 months ago.
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Dean Stevens edited this topic 81 months ago.
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Pretty much as Dean says. Now that I know that people don't get notified when dropped, I may do some pruning as well. Up to now, I thought it would be a bit rude to drop a contact.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Gustavo, getting back to your original post, the only reason I can see that happening is if the person is trying to pimp their stream by making you a contact, which then you go to check because you get the notification, but then they dump you right away because they have already achieved what they set out to do. Pretty ridiculous, if you ask me, but I have seen worse than that here.
Posted 81 months ago.
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I think the contact thing is simply one person who admires the work of another. Nothing more or less. If someone doesn't choose to reciprocate, oh well. The contact list is not that major. It's actually pretty funny that it's called a "contact" list. It makes it sound like a business client list.
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..the title "Ethics Series..." presupposes that there are more topics in the "series", but I did a search and couldn't find any...so, this is the first in the series and we can expect more...soon I hope?
Not labeled as such, but there have been several threads recently discussing the etiquette or ethics of various activities in or concerning Flickr. Come to think of it, it might be useful to index them in some way.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Whenever one of my photos makes it into the Explore/Interestingness pages, that's when I suddenly get new contacts. I've got around 260 or so now, and there are way over that who've made me a contact. Now I tend to make contacts only of those whose stream shows many images of the sort I really enjoy and/or if the new contact is someone who actually writes comments.
I can't explain the increase in young male contacts, nor the increase in contacts coming from the UAE, Germany, Spain, Italy, and Japan. I am seeing many new "old" members coming into flickr now, since last spring. Always fun to meet another "oldie but goodie" this way with new contacts made.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Whenever one of my photos makes it into the Explore/Interestingness pages, that's when I suddenly get new contacts.
It must occur regularly then. ;)
Posted 81 months ago.
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hmmm.. I did this once (not to GG...), went to add a contact and clicked on the wrong person. I immediately "unadded" them. Then I got a notice that they had reciprocated.. boy did I feel bad. (really). Maybe this happened to you? maybe.. but twice would be a heck of a coincidence..
(oh, and I have had contacts eaten too by the great FlickrGods..)
Posted 81 months ago.
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I've just had to make someone a contact to send them a message because I couldn't find any other way to do it. Then I had to drop them after. Can someone explain how to send a mail without making them or being, a contact?
Posted 81 months ago.
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yolise, if you go to the person's profile page, there is a link to send him/her a message.
Posted 81 months ago.
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Huh, so there is. I could have sworn I looked there.
Posted 81 months ago.
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can't believe i read through this whole thread.
i guess 'cos its a subject near and dear to my heart, 'cos i'm a sensitive type, and love people.
i'm also a tad impulsive, so i have a tendency to add people to my contacts list, then drop them when i find out that their stuff wasn't what it cracked up to be for me :)
i didn't use to, but i've lately begun to add many flickr newbies to my list, simply because i remember how it was for me, just starting out up in here (and still is, but i've always enjoyed being middle-tier -- i don't get sweated, yet i can still feel the love :), and me adding as a mutual contact is my way of giving them a "wink", and welcome. :) basically, i'm really concerned with not trying to come off as a jerk (can you see a little hint of projection :-)
now, after a bit, if i'm not digging their stuff, or there's no mutual connection tying us, i may sever the contact, but there's been a rare case where i do it as a one-off. it's generally when i'm "cleaning up contacts".
i don't expect everyone to expect me to be up in their stream 24/7, so i don't mind too much being in a situation where i "can't keep up". i'm contacting people who have images that inspire me, and i can count on them for the same, so i frequent the "recent photos from your contacts" page, to see if i see something that sparks me.
that's something i can't get from "everyone's photos"...
i do, however really wish that flickr had a more robust contact mechanism, kinda like audioscrobbler (but maybe more controlled), where i can specify the relationship...this would help me sort contacts out a bit more, and i may in fact even add more contacts (for example, unfortunate as it may be, many of the "good flickrers" i don't add 'cos i figure
a) they already got enough, they don't need my encouragement
c) they're "busy" enough that there won't be mutual interaction anyway so why bother, i'll come across they stuff at some point again anyway, over and over again)
prefer being made contact by someone with 10 or 20 contacts rather than someone who has 1000 contacts. I reciprocate a contact if they have less than 150.
i still felt special when fubuki added me as a friend :)
i'll forth or fifth or sixth though, the whole flickr dropping contacts thing. that's happened a bit, in my experience.
j.
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I confess that I've added contacts before, then having a sort of buyer's remorse and taken them off my list, but it was usually because they added me first, and I didn't want to hurt their feelings. One fellow emailed me saying he'd be honored if I counted him as a contact, and asked for my comments on a particular picture. So I did, and I guess he did it before, because that picture got millions of comments. I realized I didn't really care for his photos that much in the first place. So I took him off, and I make it a point to go through and eliminate a couple of contacts every day that I don't check up on.
Posted 80 months ago.
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aHA!
:)
Posted 80 months ago.
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I've only been here for a few months now, and have always reviewed the photostream of someone who has added me to their contacts before reciprocating, but the only contact I have deleted is a user with an unfeasibly long username - this user must have had 50 characters in her/his name. I liked the user's photos, but the long username made my Home and Your Contact's Photos really ugly in the browser window. I bore down for a few weeks but had to remove the user in the end. Username wrapping would have saved that contact.
Posted 79 months ago.
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Ah but keep in mind that some of us have built those numbers quite slowly.
yes, i have almost 200 contacts but i've been here since march 2004. i'm really fussy about who i add, only because i want to keep up with my contacts & be familiar with their personality.
to be honest the thing that annoys the crap outta me are the times you get added by a guy who objously is only adding women
oh man, me too. i never reciprocate if i see that all their contacts are women. i figure they're just adding us based on how cute our user icons are *rolls eyes*
i'm very comfortable with people not being notified when they're dropped. i've been dropped a few times & i'm not at all curious as to why - and i don't want to have to make explanations myself when i'm the one doing the dropping. which has only happened maybe 3 times over nearly 2 years.
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oh man, me too. i never reciprocate if i see that all their contacts are women. i figure they're just adding us based on how cute our user icons are *rolls eyes*
I knew making those few guy contacts would pay off in the long run...
Posted 79 months ago.
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i've been played ! hmmph.
*runs off to drop Yogi like a hot tater; remembers how darned cute his kids are; forgives him*
Posted 79 months ago.
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Never mind all that, what happened to Gustavo/8021196 's *name*?. Gustavo, I feel like I know you, may I call you .. 196 ?
Posted 79 months ago.
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nsid 24601 or something?
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what happened to Gustavo/8021196 's *name*?
It's just that the Powers That Be reminded me that I'm just a customer, and an annoying one at that.
Don't think too much. Just take pictures.
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or better yet, Photos?
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Definitely, photos. You're right.
Oh, and invite all your friends and family. That part is also important.
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