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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

I really like my S5 and wouldn't trade it for any other ultrazoom out now, but there are some things that bug me that I thought deserved discussion.

First, the tendency to focus on high contrast backgrounds. With zoom shots, this was a problem with the S2 as well so doesn't surprise me.

In Super Macro mode I seem to have trouble focusing. I shoot a lot of macros and didn't have this much trouble with the S2, but sometimes things just refuse to focus on things that are in range of the focus and require more than a few tries to finally get it or I have to move closer or further away. Sometimes it will even give the green focus lock when clearly nothing in the shot is in focus. Maybe this is related to the previous problem I mentioned.

This one is probably just a minor defect with my camera that I will eventually send in to get repaired. But I thought I should ask if anyone else is seeing the same. At least 1% of my photos are rotated counter-clockwise (the bottom is on the right). I know the orientation sensor has trouble when taking shots pointing straight down (the S2 did), but these 1% are pretty level shots that just rotate for no reason. Often the previous and next shots of the same subject holding the camera in the same position will not be rotated.

Several people have mentioned the lens cap being too loose. For those of us with earlier cameras from this series, this cap is a big improvement, but still not great. It is designed to pop off when if you forget to remove it when the lens extends. If it didn't pop off it may damage the lens motor.

The battery door is a pain to close. The battery springs put too much pressure on the door and you really have to smash it down. Plus the memory card slot is now under that door so you have to open it for more than just changing batteries if you use a card reader. And you can't change the memory while on a tripod.

We are still without a battery indicator though the low battery warning does seem to give a bit more of a warning than the S2 used to.

Another thread here pointed out the loss of your Metering setting in P mode when the camera goes to sleep (display turns off) or is turned off. Manual focus does the same thing, it isn't surprising that a Manual Focus setting doesn't survive turning off, but it is annoying that it is lost when the display turns off.
Posted at 11:15AM, 11 July 2007 PDT (permalink)

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Downtrodden Angel says:

My S3 loses the metering info and focus setting when it goes into sleep mode too.

Yeah my biggest gripe (aside from the lack of better image quality) is the damn memory card slot. I use a 120 gig external harddrive which i keep plugged into my USB port and i use my comps memory card reader for the transfers.. I also usually keep the tripod mount on my camera at all times, so uploading photos is a pain in the ARSE now. What the HELL WERE THEY THINKING!? This was such a pain when i first got the camera and was doing comparison shots and i'd go "maybe i should try this" go take pictures and then come back and get a new idea. ICK!

Other than that, i don't really have any other problems. My focus seems to be fine, i never use Super macro or macro mode though, being my Raynox DCR250 gets me MUCH closer without having to get as close. I don't use P mode either

One nice thing that makes life easier which i love (i'm pleased by the smallest of things) is that in AV or Tv modes, you only have to press the UP key to change the exposure compensation.

Oh plus i'm legally blind so the bigger LCD is a HUGE help to me.

ciao!
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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Sonal And Abe says:

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I still enjoy the camera though.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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costinhas says:

Hi

My name is Sandra and I'm from Portugal.

I have my S5 for less than an hour and I already confirmed some of the things that you wrote here.

Never the less I'm very ansious to try it.

I hope I can learn with all of your experiences.

Bye
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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wout.  Pro User  says:

Welcome Sandra!!!
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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MJ07 says:

Yeah got this camera a few days ago, which I traded the S3 for. I think Im keeping it, but do I think it was worth the extra $? Id have to say no. Theres as many features taken out as there were added in.

Intervalometer? Gone. Separate memory card slot? Gone.
Super high burst mode? Gone.

It baffles me why they had to remove these features. One shouldnt have to compromise with a newer model. The bigger and better LCd screen is great, but the improvements are all heavily tempered by the losses and the absurd decisions. The SD slot is such a pain in the ass to use now, and this shouldnt be the case on a $550 camera.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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peace.peace says:

I am very disappointed in the regular Macro mode. Canon A series which are much cheaper cameras, have much better Macro than S5. Super Macro is good, but not excellent.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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ronlog  Pro User  says:

I do have a problem focusing in super macro. I've watched the subject go into then out of focus before it stops. Very annoying, but I do like the S5. I moved up from the A series. So have had no S2 or S3 experience to compare it with.
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peace.peace says:

Thank you ronlog for the assurance. I was starting to wonder.
I have taken a few Super Macro shots of spiders (has not had time to post yet) and to get a good Super Macro, you have to almost touch the spider. Then, the spider does not even fill the whole frame. With a crop, you are barely there. I think, I will purchase a macro lens adapter which jciv has mentioned, too.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

MS Sucks(Peter) [deleted] says:

I just discovered another minor annoyance with the S5IS. I picked up a Gorrilapod SLR and was hoping to leave the mounting bracket on the camera for the convenience of just slipping the tripod on and off instead of threading it on each time. I went to change my batteries and the mounting bracket interferes with the battery door no matter what the orientation of the bracket. "Bummer"!!!!!
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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Downtrodden Angel says:

the maximum focus distance in super macro is 3" for all the S cams, not just the S5. That means if you'r lens is more than 3 inches away from your spider, it won't focus.

Definitely get a macro lens. I'd recommend the Raynox DCR250.

Look Before You Leap!
If you need anymore reason than these pictures to opt for the DCR250, just check out my photostream.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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Downtrodden Angel says:

PS, the butterfly was with my S5 and the jumping spider with my S3.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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Rαtαtoskr  Pro User  says:

Downtrodden Angel, very cool. I'm impressed. I thought that the quality with any extensions on a P&S camera like this one would have some obvious degrading.

Do you have a site where I can see which extensions are compatible withthe S5? All kinds of extensions, not only a macro.

Even on Raynox site there is no mention of it fitting on the S5 or any info at all about which cameras it fits on.
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Rαtαtoskr  Pro User  says:

jciv:
It could have been written by me, that's how much I agree on it all, even on the lens cap having to be the way it is.

I do miss something no one has pointed out and it's actually my MAIN cause for irriation. The quite large fringing on almost all photos with high contrast situations. I get them all. Blue, red, etc.. Very annoying and not always removable with post processing.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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Downtrodden Angel says:

www.lensmateonline.com/

This site has comparrison shots for several different cameras for several different types of lenses. They do not have on for the S5 specifically, but being that the lens is the same and unchanged, the results will be the same from the s2/s3 page.

In general, don't go over 1.7x for telephoto and no wider than .75x for wide angle lenses. anything outside of these ranges and you'll start to see distortion on the canon's 12x zoom lens.
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peace.peace says:

Very impressive. Downtrodden Angel.

Does anyone know why S5 IS Super Macro is called "Super". Isn't it just like regular macro in most cameras? May be I am expecting too much!

-WayuU- I have also noticed very obvious red fringing. Mine happened with Total Zoom + Digital Zoom.
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peace.peace says:

Could Raynox DCR250 Macro Lens be used without buying a Lens Adapter?
I am assuming that there may be an issue with accidentally shutting down the camera with the DCR250 attached to your camera lens. Am I correct?
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

Regular macro for most cameras starts at a couple inches away from the lens which the S5's regular macro does. But Super Macro allows you to get a lot closer and focus all the way to something actually touching the lens. I hardly ever use regular macro. I either use Super Macro (bee) or the Raynox DCR-250 macro adapter (dragonfly).

You have to buy a lens adapter to fit the Raynox adapter. There isn't anything to attach the Raynox to without it. But there are several options. Lensmate makes a good aluminum one. Canon makes a plastic one that comes bundled with a lens hood. The one I got is cheaper and comes from Adorama (metal and good quality). I bought both the Raynox and the lens adapter from them to save on shipping.

The Raynox DCR-250 and some of their others will fit on many cameras (or adapters) that you can screw on filters. That is the feature the S5's lens adapter adds. For this Raynox, instead of screwing on, it clips on and is held in place with a spring loaded grip that catches onto the filter's threads. The springs allow it to adjust to fit a wide variety of filter sizes.

I have noticed fringing, but it didn't seem that different from my S2. I haven't noticed it on high contrast shots though it could be there, but I have seen some bad fringing around over exposed areas.
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peace.peace says:

Thank you jciv—very helpful as usual.
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

Something I forgot to mention above. The S5 and my S2 just can't get purple or pink flowers colored correctly. I presume that has something to do with the camera being slightly more sensitive to different wave lengths of light, but it is annoying. I have found that setting white balance to cloudy improves the color some.
Posted 59 months ago. (permalink)

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peace.peace says:

The most annoying thing for me is when I use the Full Zoom (no digital), I can see pink fringes (outlines) around some objects, especially high contrast areas. This really ruins my photo. And, I would suggest, in most cases, forget even using the Digital Zoom—it is useless because of the pink fringes.
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Rαtαtoskr  Pro User  says:

in many, not all, cases with fringing, it can be fixed to quite a satisfactory level in PS.
Digital zoom is really only a help to see the object closer before taking the picture. Digital zooming is better left done in post processing.
Posted 58 months ago. (permalink)

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peace.peace says:

I do not to use PhotoShop on any of my photos, except special effects. With S5 you don't have to do any editing, except some cropping.
The whole point of photography is trying to take photos which don't need any touch up.

P.S. jciv, that is a good pointer about the White Balance.
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Shreenath N says:

I too have tried Super Macro and most of the times it refuses to focus on the subject. Even if the subject is in the focusing distance it won't focus. I had to go for manual focusing or move the camera a bit front or back to get the focusing right.

However I'm loving my camera :-)
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

I wish I could take longer than 15-second shots. I really wish it would be 30-seconds… even more. Why just 15-seconds? It really limits night shots… if the camera would go to even 30 seconds, I could use a smaller aperture and take better night shots. This could be solved with a firmware update….

I also wish for manual focus I didn’t have to push and hold a button located on the barrel and then use the dial located on the complete opposite side of the camera to press up and down. The manual focus should be a slide switch located on the barrel that works similar to the zoom in/out button…. just a focus in and out. They could even design it so it ‘feels’ like your turning the lens as if it were a DSLR. Manual focusing takes too long, I just want to quickly focus and then take the shot. I don’t want to have to press a combination of buttons where it looks like I’m playing a PSP.

I also wish I could have the option of AEB for all the dial program modes. This also could be solved with a firmware update.
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

The 15 second limit might be because noise starts getting too bad as the CCD heats up. After a certain length of exposure, the camera is set to take a dark frame to reduce noise. That is why it takes so long between shots. You can always set the custom timer to shoot multiple exposures and stack them.
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Gösta Enhammar says:

Well, well peace.peace!
I am not using the macro on my S5. Have to admit, without blushing, that I also have a PoverShot A710. That "little one" is simply unbeatable when it comes to macro. And as a consequence of that I don´t have to be sulky on the S5. Bingo!
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Gösta Enhammar says:

Another thing peace.peace
I noticed that you consider that the point of taking a photo is to do that without any touch up. I´m not sure I agree with you. I feel the point is to accomplish a work of art, and not hand over everything to destiny.

1. In the same moment you connect your camera to the computer your picture lose sharpness. Why accept that?

2. If you take a pic of the sea, the horizon looks lake a banana. Why be satisfied with that.

3. Why is it a crime to crop if the end result gets better?

And so on. I respect your views. I just don´t agree. It´s the end result that counts, not what you did to get there.
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Gösta Enhammar says:

jsiv: Setting white balance to cloudy is a good thing. Works with sunsets also. Another setting to improve colours is Vivid in My Colours.
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Upul R is a group moderator Upul R  Pro User  says:

I have the same view as Michael... Couldnt have said better....
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Gösta Enhammar says:

Voila! I have found one more thing that did irritate me for a wile. If you use a filter you have to skip the lens hood. After having had a long discussion with my self I decided that I could live with that, so now I´m not irritated any more...
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floralgal  Pro User  says:

I agree with you Gosta. The end result is the most important thing, the "art". And by putting "our own personal touches" to it, is what truly makes it art! (and makes it uniquely our own). This is what gives it an identity and more personality.

I also agree with Michael about the manual focus. I do not like it. It is not natural. It should have just a dial on the front to move right to left to focus, as do the SLR's.

-D
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Gösta Enhammar says:

I have a feeling that we are beginning to complain a little too much, Look at the price we paid for the camera. You have to pay ten times more to get something almost perfect.

Sometimes you have to be happy with the car you own. Knowing that out there someplace there is a Rolls Royce...
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DGMiller777  Pro User  says:

I agree with Gosta.

A guy in the office just bought a Canon Digital Rebel XT and brought it into the office yesterday. He paid about $700 for it. I was looking at it and when comparing features with the S5 you realize how much extra he would have to spend to duplicate those features.

I know the photo quality is probably much better in extreme light conditions on a DSLR. But for what I do with the camera, I'd have to buy a macro lens, a very expensive zoom lens, and I'm guessing those two together would be well over $1,000.

There's no movie mode that I saw, so to take the occasional movie, we'd need to spend an additional $400 for a low end DV cam.

The S5 is starting to look pretty good... and I haven't spent a dime on any of the accessories.
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Upul R is a group moderator Upul R  Pro User  says:

well, dgmillers' points on lenses and the movies thing were decision factors for me.

However, all the petty complaints or rather suggestions for improvements are not on the quality of the Cam, but more or less ease of use.

Canon could have simply included these without / less additional cost.
Ex. Manual focus- not a push and hold a button on the barrel,
Lens adapter, ( i bought new one for $2.8 from ebay),
Shortcut button somewhere accessible on the fly,
SD card slot somewhere convenient. etc..

s5 rox... no argument on that tho...
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peace.peace says:

Gösta Enhammar, I respect your views also.
I am a graphic artist by profession and I know how far one can go by changing the reality. The variations could be endless.
I believe that a photo should be just that, a photo. When you start editing and doctoring up a photo, it is not a photo anymore.
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Gösta Enhammar says:

Well peace.peace, I´m a retired Art Director and I like that we have different opinions. Otherwise we could discard these discussion threads, And that would be a pity!
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Gösta Enhammar says:

One more thought peace.peace:
You say you know how far one can go by changing the reality.
But crooked horizons, burnt out highlights and lost sharpness is not the reality. It´s technical imperfections in the cameras.
What would happen if you were forbidden to tune a piano? After a wile it would sound rather terrible. Tuning the piano is bringing it back to reality.

(Between you and me I can tell you that I had the same attitude as you have, but I changed my mind many years ago. Don´t tell anyone... hihi)
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peace.peace says:

Is this acceptable?
Sometimes, I have trouble changing from View Finder to LCD.
I keep pressing and the LCD stays black. Then, I find out that I have to wiggle the LCD screen to bring it on. When I let go, at times, it turns black again. Somehow, I manage to make it to stay on.
How much trouble is this going to be after my warranty ends?
It is really annoying.
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Gösta Enhammar says:

How do you change? You say you are pressing. What are you pressing?
Closed LSD - view finder on
Open LSD - view finder closed

Perhaps I have misunderstood what you mean?
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

Sounds like the sensor to detect when the LCD is closed isn't working right. Is there any dirt or maybe you have a screen protector that is preventing it from closing all the way?
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

Same thing happens to me.... it has since the first day.

For instance... when the LCD screen is locked in place but exposed and facing out... if I turn on the camera on sometimes the camera thinks the LCD is closed but facing inwards.

I just open and close it and it's fine.
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Yo Spiff  Pro User  says:

I've seen a few times when flipping the screen out at a weird angle and it gets confused, displaying a mirror image of the scene.
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peace.peace says:

Thanks guys, it gives me some confidence that it is not unusual.
I meant what Michael Seneschal said.
I would turn on the camera with LCD closed, facing in. So, the View Finder will come on. Then I would turn the LCD and lock it, facing out in order to use it. Then, I would press Disp. to switch to LCD and it would stay dark. I did open and close the LCD at times, but did not work. So, I just wiggle and it comes on. Sometimes, it would go dark when I let go.
Yo Spiff, that has never happened to me before. It sounds more serious.
I don't have a screen protector, jciv.
I think LSD is a more serious matter Gösta Enhammar. lol
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

HAHAHAHAHA I didn't notice that.

Yup... I think LSD would be a more serious matter. hahahahahahaha that's great!
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Gösta Enhammar says:

HAHAHA! Now I see what you mean, peace.peace. But getting high on LCD is an even bigger problem..!
I don´t have your problem with the LCD (!) because I never use it when I take pictures. I flip it open sometimes just to check the result.

I can assure you that a foreign language can be a big problem sometimes. Many times I have failed to find the English name for a bird I have taken a picture of. To tell the truth most of the times it depend on that I don´t know the name in Swedish either... lol

CIAO
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

Getting high on LCD leads to Flickr addiction.
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

That it does! .....and it's highly addictive! :o)
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peace.peace says:

I rather get high on LCD, too.
Thanks for the fun, guys.
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james lj  Pro User  says:

My LCD was on LSD just the other day.
IMG_7423

I think it's better now.
American Tree Sparrow
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Gösta Enhammar says:

That´s not LSD on your LCD. It´s GKW! (God Knows What)
Nice capture!
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Gösta Enhammar says:

By the way: if I look at one of my pictures on flickr. and click on "more properties" I can see that I first post the pic to flickr. and then one hour later I take the picture. How do I succeed with that? Am I a wizard or something?
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

hehehe...

Here's how to fix the time for your Flickr account....

Go to your profile: (under the Flickr logo at the very top left of the screen... under the 'r' in Flickr you'll see the menu called "You"). Click on the arrow next to "You" to pull down that menu and click on 'your profile'.

Next: (top right) click on 'edit your profile'.

Next: In the third box you'll see your time zone. Pick the correct one and you'll be all set (providing the date/time on your camera is correct, which it sounds like it is correct).

Yesssssssss
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Yo Spiff  Pro User  says:

I recall seeing a question about that in another group last night. Maybe an issue with time zones perhaps?
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

Yes it is. I had the same problem and noticed I had it set for Eastern time in Tijuana. When I set to Eastern time in USA it worked fine. :o)
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Gösta Enhammar says:

What a pity! I really thought I was a wizard... but ok Michael. Thanks!
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Gösta Enhammar says:

...eeeeeehh......aaah.....hm it was wrong in the camera....
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radioadman says:

With all those annoyances, have you ever thought of considering other cameras with almost the same features?

After reading this thread i began having second thoughts of getting an S5.
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Trim Reaper is a group moderator Trim Reaper  Pro User  says:

Radioadman, this is just to say that nothing is perfect in this world. All cameras no matter how expensive they are have both pros and cons. But with how much this camera is worth with its price, it is beyond my delight and I love this camera very much.

As I have stressed, I will hang on with this camera for a long while. In fact, I just ordered a number of accessories from lensmateonline for my S5. :)

Another advantage of having this camera is that, you are in good company especially in this forum. :)
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Michael Seneschal is a group moderator Michael Seneschal says:

Looking through this thread, the annoyances with this camera are minor. As Trim said, nothing is perfect… That being said, I would rather have minor annoyances than major annoyances. Also, some annoyances come from the user pushing the S5 to the limit… if you haven’t already, check out the photo-pool; it’s filled with quality shots that you would think came out of an expensive DSLR.

If the above mentioned annoyances dissuade you from buying a Canon S5…. imagine the annoyances you’d have with an Olympus…. or a Fuji. LOL

I’m a Canon fanboy, so I’m bias.
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jciv is a group administrator jciv  Pro User  says:

There are no other cameras with almost the same features that don't have other problems that I think are worse. Mostly image quality issues and/or badly setup menus/buttons of the comparable cameras available when the S5 came out.

No camera is ever perfect. But people like to know what is less than ideal about it so they can decide which camera to buy. If I didn't care about image quality or hard to use menus, I would have got a Sony H9 instead of this camera.
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Yo Spiff  Pro User  says:

Quote:

some annoyances come from the user pushing the S5 to the limit


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Trim Reaper is a group moderator Trim Reaper  Pro User  says:

Yo Spiff, I love that quote from Michael too.

Mike, I drink for an ice cold San Miguel Beer to what you have said. Cheers with your Bud. :)
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