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Not tagged and not very good, so I didn't tag it.
www.flickr.com/photos/punta1/2521934404/in/pool-birdguide/
382 RESOLVED
Untagged and unidentified flamingos and I didn't bother as they are zoo birds and not needed for the pool. When the photo is decent like this one, should I just ID and tag?
www.flickr.com/photos/rt425/2521875932/in/pool-birdguide/
383 RESOLVED
Misidentified as red-shouldered. I added correct tag.
www.flickr.com/photos/marc50/2518813935/in/pool-birdguide/
384 RESOLVED. REMOVED C FAMILIARIS TAG
I added C familiaris to this bird though Avibase does have the split and this makes this newbird, which I tagged. This photographer is adding some nice stuff! If this is not the proper way to deal with new taxA, let me know!
www.flickr.com/photos/chaparralbrad/2509758951/in/pool-bi...
385 Tiger Shrike RESOLVED
this is probably correct, but is so different from what we have in the pool (all femaies?) and the photos on Avibase, I thought someone knowledgable should check the ID
www.flickr.com/photos/chaparralbrad/2509760235/in/pool-bi...
386 RESOLVED
Cuculus nisicolor (as in the index) is listed as Hierococcyx nisicolor in Avibase, so I added that tag, which I hope is the thing to do with synonymy. The latter is not in the index.
www.flickr.com/photos/chaparralbrad/2510612834/in/pool-bi...
387 'Streak-throated Fulvetta'? RESOLVED
this bird does not resemble much what is already in the FBW nor in the google image section of Avibase, if you want to check the ID
www.flickr.com/photos/chaparralbrad/2509779943/in/pool-bi...
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382: Tagged.
384: I would suggest removing the C. familiaris tag, as it isn't, and the tag results in it showing up under the wrong species. Strictly speaking, this isn't a split, as tianquanensis is a recently described taxon that never was considered a subspecies of C. familiaris (rather, tianquanensis was completely overlooked; cf. cryptic species complex).
385: ID correct.
386: You're right.
387: You're right: Not a fulvetta, but a warbler. I'm not that strong on east Asian warblers, but at first glance I'd say Spotted Bush Warbler. However, that's without checking a field guide and it's been eternities since I've seen one, so I'd suggest someone checks up on the east Asian warblers before adding that tag. EDIT: Just checked, and Spotted Bush Warbler (Bradypterus thoracicus) it is. Nice grey auriculars exclude recently split Siberian/David's Bush Warbler.
BTW, pl. of taxon is taxa (i.e. one taxon, several taxa).
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388 Same problem as 387, and appears to be a misidentification RESOLVED
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Misidentified and mistagged .. GULL IDD AS SANDWICH TERN
www.flickr.com/photos/fantasio4/553742808/in/pool-birdguide/
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388: Streak-throated Fulvetta (Alcippe cinereiceps) of the nominate group now commonly considered a separate species, the Grey-hooded Fulvetta.
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389: [RESOLVED] Anas erythrorhyncha tagged as A. bernieri:
www.flickr.com/photos/49811170@N00/2449693497/
390: Hylocharis chrysura tagged as Chlorostilbon aureoventris:
www.flickr.com/photos/26919625@N02/2518290501/
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391 RESOLVED
Dave knows about this one, but it is not identified nor is it tagged.
www.flickr.com/photos/jpulido/2518682713/in/pool-birdguide/
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www.flickr.com/photos/26086821@N04/2521195250/in/pool-bir...
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and pigeon
www.flickr.com/photos/26086821@N04/2521194316/in/pool-bir...
394 White-throated Thrush/Robin RESOLVED
Probably someone should double check the ID
www.flickr.com/photos/hplatt/2522074755/in/pool-birdguide/
395 Black Swift newbird ** RESOLVED ** (at least I'm confident it's none of the other species that normally occur there - DA)
It is not really identifiable here, at least by me, so I thought someone should check it, though it seems good. Other photos here: www.birdinfo.com/A_Images_B/BlackSwift_image.html
396 American Kestrel not tagged, and a tethered bird. Yuck! Would love for you to remove it. ** REMOVED **
www.flickr.com/photos/darrenshilson/2522593132/in/pool-bi...
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397 Captive bird 'rule' ** REMOVED **
www.flickr.com/photos/darrenshilson/2522638940/in/pool-42...
398 Another captive bird; in this one the color may be affected by captivity ** REMOVED **
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400 albino feral ** REMOVED **
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401 not tagged and not worth tagging ** REMOVED **
www.flickr.com/photos/johanes2007/2524341371/in/pool-bird...
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Semipal IDd and tagged as Common Ringed CORRECTED
www.flickr.com/photos/chpaquette/2526396466/in/pool-birdg...
403 Laughing Gull mis IDd CORRECTED
www.flickr.com/photos/chpaquette/2526396252/in/pool-birdg...
404 Unidentified aftrican accipiter PALE CHANTING GOSHAWK TAG ADDED
www.flickr.com/photos/alexbondsmith/2527260597/in/pool-42...
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404 - As the penultimate comment says, immature southern pale chanting goshawk.
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405 unidentified african cormorant TAGGED P CARBO
www.flickr.com/photos/86778817@N00/2528378176/in/pool-bir...
406 unidentified african pelican TAGGED Pelecanus onocrotalus
www.flickr.com/photos/86778817@N00/2528378184/in/pool-bir...
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405 - Great/white-headed cormorant
406 - White pelican
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406 You mean Pelecanus onocrotalus?
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407 RESOLVED
Brown Hornbill has been split according to Avibase. I added a query comment and also added the correct scientific name tag assuming this is not the endangered taxon. You might want to check things. Whatever it is it is newbird.
www.flickr.com/photos/26931849@N04/2530660594/in/pool-426...
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Masked Cardinal RESOLVED
Do you want newbird when it is a new subspecies?
I added tags to what the contributor had put on the bird
www.flickr.com/photos/barloventomagico/2530171810/in/pool...
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White-browed Shrike-babbler tagged as Pteruthius Aenobarbus
and should be flaviscapis? Left a comment. If so, needs a newbird tag. RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/26931849@N04/2520236564/in/pool-426...
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Black-goggled Tanager. This is a female and I think the ID is correct, but as it is a newbird someone with experience should probably check the ID. CHECKED AND RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/laurapatzer/2530008986/in/pool-4263...
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406 - Yes, real white pelican
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Golden-collared Woodpecker this is newbird and I cannot find any other pictures of it anywhere, so prolly someone should check the ID. Also the taxon has been split, though the split off one is near threatened. LEFT AS IS FOR NOW
www.bsc-eoc.org/avibase/species.jsp?lang=EN&id=BB8D08...
www.flickr.com/photos/83287919@N00/2528705011/in/pool-bir...
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www.flickr.com/photos/irineufa/2415470073/in/pool-birdguide/
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www.flickr.com/photos/irineufa/2283030761/in/pool-birdguide/
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www.flickr.com/photos/irineufa/858150855/in/pool-birdguide/
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413 - Bald eagle, i shd think. We're a bit short of them... (joke, ok).
414 - Presumably goliath, presumably captive.
415 - Palm cockatoo.
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407 - can anyone confirm which of the Brown Hornbills this is? Clements appears to have split them into Rusty-cheeked Hornbill Anorrhinus tickelli and Brown Hornbill Anorrhinus austeni. Photographer had it down as Brown Hornbill Anorrhinus tickelli so presumably hadn't identified it to post-split status. Both seem to range in Thailand and I've no idea how to identify Asian Hornbills.
408 - yes, by all means use FBW:newbird tag for subspecies, so long as they're distinctive subspecies. I don't think it's practical to list every subspecies in the index but where they're distinctive and readily identifiable (at least in some plumages) then I'm happy to include them as additional entries. Avibase lists this form as Black-eared Cardinal and doesn't recognise Masked Cardinal - does anyone know which of these is in most common usage?
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I had this note from the photographer: "Hi Carol
I have the Latin name as Ptilolaemus Tickelli in my book "A guide to the Birds of Thailand" by Boonsong Lekagul and Philip Round but, in my other book "A field guide to the Birds of Thailand" by Craig Robson - it is Anorrbinus Tickelli. I'll let you decide :)"
I will message him back with your query.
Would it be helpful if I deleted my comments in this thread as the issues are resolved?
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416 I tagged this as a Coal Tit, which I think is correct, but prolly someone should double check me on it. CHECKED AND RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/acaciapiks/2361602669/in/pool-42637...
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* 392: I guess it is too late now, but this one would have been a "keep" in my book. It is at least as useful as the single photo in the pool.
* 394: I'd go with the suggested ID.
* 407: The Anorrhinus tickelli tag is correct regardless of taxonomy applied (except for the people considering Anorrhinus monotypic, instead placing the brown sp(p) in Ptilolaemus - but that's of no importance for sp. level taxonomy). The two taxa, tickelli and austeni, are allopatric, thus making identification by locality relatively straight forward.
* 408: I'd suggest keeping this ssp. Just for the record, work that currently is underway is likely to validate this highly distinctive taxon as a sp. instead of a ssp.
* 409: Seems he corrected it himself.
* 410: ID correct.
* 411: ID correct.
* 414 & 415: Buckeye got 'em.
* 416: ID correct.
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407
this from the Brown Hornbill photographer that should help because of location
" I have many other photos of the birds but from an ID point of view, I don't think these would add much to the pics I've posted already - although the female has a black bill. This would tend to suggest Anorrhinus Tickelli.
The birds were shot coming from a high nest (hole in tree, as usual for Hornbills) in Kaeng Krachan National Park, Petburi, Thailand. These birds were pretty low (probably 200m amsl - above mean sea level) but hitherto I'd seen them up to about 700m amsl.
All the locals and some European bird watchers referred to them as "Brown Hornbills". "
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417
Not tagged and not worth tagging. REMOVED
www.flickr.com/photos/mikejewel/2447551560/in/pool-birdgu...
418 feral domestic fowl, though they are part of the avifauna on Kauai for sure! Remove? REMOVED
www.flickr.com/photos/mikejewel/2446727217/in/pool-birdgu...
418 Captive crowned crane, not tagged & should be removed REMOVED
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419 American Crow not tagged and not worth tagging. RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/mikejewel/2447556800/in/pool-birdgu...
BTW the stuff on the front page all says Clements 5th, but Avibase is on Clements 6th
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417 Added Tag, it is definately a Red-crested Cardinal (Paroaria coronata), not C. cardinalis.
418 They're a pretty well established species living independently from people. Audobon birds of hawaii calls them "Moa", or "jungle fowl" even though I'm pretty sure the ones on kauaii descend from domestic fowl.
418 It roams free on the resort, does that constitute captive?
419 I added a tag.
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417 removed - not useful for ID even if it was a Red-crested Cardinal ;-)
418a - one of the things with captive birds is that they are often different in appearance from wild birds, and therefore not useful for identifying wild birds. The same is often true of Red Jungle Fowl that are not strictly captive, but nevertheless domesticated. Whether that applies to these individuals or not, I don't know. If they're identical to wild birds then I don't have a problem with them being in the pool, given that we don't have many wild ones in that plumage type, but if I'd come across this one without seeing the discussion first, I would have probably binned it too. Can anyone confirm how well they compare with wild ones?
418b - I would have assumed this was captive too, but it's not a wild bird anyway. Given that we have plenty of wild ones which don't have a slightly unnatural blueish colour cast, I've removed this one.
419 - great photo! But more of an interesting photo than a useful one for ID and I would have removed it in its un-tagged state. However, now you've tagged it, I'm happy for it to stay for now.
Carol, regarding Clements, we're still officially using the 2005 update to the 5th edition. Avibase defaults to the 6th edition but you can select the updated 5th edition from the drop-down, and all versions since 4th are listed on the species pages. Let me know if any further explanation is needed on this. The reason we haven't changed to the 6th edition yet is chiefly the amount of admin work that will be involved in updating, combined with the fact that most reviewers don't rate it very highly. Whether we update to the 6th edition in future or not remains to be seen - a better option might come along first...
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391 - I'm still hoping that someone will come along and be a bit more confident than I am about this one's ID. It will be a useful photo worth keeping if the ID is correct (either ID).
392 - my fault for removing this one too quickly. Marj has re-invited it so it might return!
Thanks for your help with these Rasmus and Carol!
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418 a (sorry about the double number)
I spent a bit of time looking at these feral chickens on Kauai last year and as expected given their provenance, they are highly variable. Some are pretty jungle fowly and others not. The ones in 418 are better than some others in the pool, for sure. I wonder if you should just tag them 'feral' and leave them in. Gallus gallus is not well represented by wild birds in the pool, for sure!
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418a
I would "tag" these as. Introduced, Feral, not representative.
However they are certainly better than these!
www.flickr.com/photos/simha-and-rohini/17617970/
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407 Brown Hornbill
Here is a link to a photo of the female,
www.flickr.com/photos/26931849@N04/2535850104/
It is not going into the pool as the photo is not taken by nittynorns
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418a I added Tags "Introduced", "Feral", "not representative"
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420 I think this is not Gray Kingbird. I left a comment, but please check me on it. LANGOONY CHECKED AND IT STANDS AS POSTED RESOLVED.
www.flickr.com/photos/strayswallow/2532532961/in/pool-426...
421 incorrectly tagged as Bridled Guillemot. I added correct one, and added comment to Buckeye's but old one needs to be removed. REMOVED
www.flickr.com/photos/merigan/973486993/
422 Has an incorrect additional tag (buteojamaicensis) as well as correct tag. Left comment to remove. RESOLVED. TAG REMOVED
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423 Considered a subspecies of Megalaima asiatica in Clements 5th, I think. I tagged newbird for Megalaima monticola, but in this situation should the older tag be added as well? RESOLVED. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
www.flickr.com/photos/ronpudin/2536890428/in/pool-birdguide/
424 RESOLVED (and sorry to have jumped on it prematurely)
Olive Whistler (Aussie bird) There seems to be some doubt on part of poster . Second opinon, please!
www.flickr.com/photos/marj_k/2535125015/in/pool-birdguide
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424 - I requested an ID in the ID Helpline without a response.
Brett confirmed my suspicion that it was an Olive Whistler (a rare bird in NSW) there was no doubt on my part.
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425 RESOLVED
I don't think good minds have been able to resolve the ID of this shrike so it is double tagged
www.flickr.com/photos/29934598@N00/388191883/
Two Unidentified Brazilian hummers
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www.flickr.com/photos/23580682@N03/2249745329/
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423 - the tag is fine: Mountain Barbet Megalaima monticola is a valid species for Clements 5th; it is, or has been, treated as a race of Blue-throated Barbet Megalaima asiatica but not by Clements. Confusion may be down to the way Avibase works - best to check the page for the species here and look for list headed "Alternative names recognized by other taxonomic authorities:". If you can see "Clements 5th ed. (updated 2005)" listed then that indicates it's a valid species for this list. If you didn't see it then you would need to check the links on the right hand side, either where it says "This taxon is considered a subspecies of..." (if it's lumped) or the box below it where the subspecies are listed (if it's split). Avibase takes a bit of getting used to!
425 - I've tagged this one: it's a Southern Grey Shrike. The confusion is just a taxonomic issue as Southern Grey Shrike used to be treated as a race of Great Grey Shrike so the photographer has included both in the tags. Fortunately the tags for Great Grey aren't in a format that will be picked up by the index so no need to worry about them.
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Sorry I don't know if I'm allowed to post with a number of my own as I don't entirely understand the original post.
I found this photo which I originally thought had the wrong tags. I was confused because the image is... I don't want to be cruel but it's not brilliant. Feel free to tell me if I'm being an idiot.
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First, yes, anyone's allowed to post here with details of photos which they think shouldn't be in the pool, or which are incorrectly tagged and need to be resolved in order to be kept in the pool.
Regarding the specific photo, when it was added it was the only photo we had of Silver Teal and also the only photo we had of Rufescent Tiger-Heron, so although the quality wasn't great, it was better than nothing! We now have several excellent photos of Rufescent Tiger-Heron, so if it was just that in the image I would be happy to lose it now. However we only have one photo of a wild Silver Teal and although the one you've linked to certainly isn't great, it does show features (e.g. the rear flank pattern) which are useful for ID but not shown on the other photo. On that basis I'd vote for keeping it until we have a few more, better, Silver Teal photos.
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More from the bad list that I can't resolve.
426 Oriental or Japanese White-eye in Hong Kong? both occur there
Oriental White-eye Zosterops palpebrosus, Japanese White-eye Zosterops japonicus RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/7339511@N05/2269111162/
427 Is this Gyps fulvus? No location given. There are other views in the contributor's set if more views are needed. I don't know any of the other Griffon types to be able to tell. RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/21013676@N04/2287772921/
428 Spanish warbler. Sorry can't ID it. RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/8458267@N03/1936229408/
429 Shrike .. Spain Another I can't ID RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/8458267@N03/2069576582/
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427 - I guess it's Italy, and yes, it looks like Gyps fulvus. However, I'll hold back on tagging it until someone else who knows other Gyps better than me sees it.
428 - juvenile Willow Warbler, I'll tag it.
429 - female Red-backed Shrike, I'll tag it.
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430 Whitethroat needs more specific identification before I can tag it. Rasheed Kuwait RESOLVED. I would never have thought to google the arabic. Learn something new every day. Doh!
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430
Very frustrating contributer :-)
Fantastic photos
Knows his birds well
Never tags
never reponds to polite requests to tag
Did not reply to flickr mail
I gave up.
BTW you will come across a few similar posters from the same region who are in the same boat.
I would like to think it is a simple langauge problem.
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One poster doesn't use quotation marks so his tags cross two lines. Have made dozens of requests without change. He does use quotes for his name and Birds of India though.
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430 So neither of you can say which whitethroat this is? I can't work it out.
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430 If you google the arabic description (, حميرة جناح,) it gives Sylvia communis.
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and I wouldn't argue with that :-)
My beef is not with the id just got fed up with tagging other peoples photos. Sorry guys.
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LOL. Frustration. That is why you need fresh new blood (me!) Anyhow, his photos are well worth taking a second to tag, don't you agree? Maybe he has reason to dislike us English speakers or something, lol.
But I am sure after fighting the good fight for so long, you must get tired of it! You have created something wonderfully useful though, so thanks for that!
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431 Drongo Cuckoo
From the bad list. Contributor has it mistagged, I believe and this is what I think it is: Surniculus lugubris, but please check me before I add the tag as the photo is not clear enough for me to be sure. Left a comment as well. TAGGED AS SUGGESTED BELOW, BUT CONTINUES TO HAVE INCORRECT TAG
www.flickr.com/photos/saudfaisal/2298686098/?addedcomment...
432 Crested Caracara from bad list. Not sure whether to tag this C plancus or cheriway RESOLVED
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See this discussion on Caracaras
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433 Kestrel Rashid. I think this is Falco naumanni Am I correct?
Falco naumanni RESOLVED. TAGGED FALCO TINNUNCULUS AS PER BELOW
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432 Thanks for that enlightening link to the Caracara problem, but I am afraid I still cannot name it. The bird is from Brazil (Brasilia) and I cannot tell from the descriptions given which the bird is, so rasmus-boegh or someone else will have to ID this one.
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433 - Looks like a normal kestrel to me - right down to its black claws.
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Thanks. Just curious. Why didn't you go ahead and tag it?
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Chimango Caracara tagged as Yellow-headed.
www.flickr.com/photos/aruba/88009802/
Probably just needs to be removed as the poster doesn't seem to be active any longer.
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Why don't I tag a lot of things? I just don't.
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But we still appreciate your input with the IDs and things...!
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Can someone with a hard copy clarify the Imperial Shag complex please? Avibase lists each of the following forms as being valid species under Clements 5th (2005):
- Imperial Shag Phalacrocorax atriceps
- Heard Island Shag Phalacrocorax nivalis
- Crozet Shag Phalacrocorax melanogenis
- Macquarie Shag Phalacrocorax purpurascens
- Antarctic Shag Phalacrocorax bransfieldensis
- Kerguelen Shag Phalacrocorax verrucosus
- South Georgia Shag Phalacrocorax georgianus
However, it does not list Clements for the remaining form, King Shag Phalacrocorax albiventer. There must be an error there somewhere as albiventer isn't showing as a subspecies for any of the above forms either.
435 I'm guessing these are Imperial Shags, but I'm not certain whether any of the other forms occur there too or not. It's also tagged with albiventer, which depending on the answer to the above may or may not be a problem.
All of these are tagged as Imperial Shags, but in view of all the splits I suspect some of these are wrong - those down as being in Antarctica or Falklands for example. Can anyone who knows more than I do about them check them? Thanks!
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436 Ibis Kenya ... Can anyone identify/tag it? RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/23321169@N07/2301467341/
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436
Rather confusing tags, India, Kerela, southern India, Kenya.
If it is Kenya then it looks like Hadada Ibis (Bostrychia hagedash)
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435:
If you're a member of BirdForum check my comment under this photo, which deals with the problematic albiventer:
www.birdforum.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=94008
In short, all are fine if tagged as Phalacrocorax atriceps (albiventer is a ssp. per Clements), except the single photo from Antarctica, which should be tagged Phalacrocorax bransfieldensis.
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I had thought his other shots were all from Kenya, but now I have run across a bunch from India, so don't know where it is. Shall I just remove it?
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* 426 & 427 in this post: Only a single photo, and it's been tagged.
* 426 in this post: Tagged.
* 427 in this post: tagged
* 431: I agree with cuckooroller's comment to the next photo in the stream.
* 432: Tagged.
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436: Even if it was taken on the moon it would still be a Hadada Ibis (Bostrychia hagedash).
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436: this one actually says its taken in India in the description so, unless the bunch from India also say that, then I'd assune it's OK.
435: thanks Rasmus.
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437 Contributor thinks juvenile Circus cyaneus. Please check before I tag it.
www.flickr.com/photos/7880802@N07/2319402236/
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At first sight, I'd've gone for marsh harrier.
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Thanks, Buckeye. Do you think I should tag it, or wait for another opinion? Or just remove it?
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438 REMOVED
www.flickr.com/photos/aruba/88009802/
I've commented, but there has been no reply, probably best just to remove, it's not an under-represented species.
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439 RESOLVED
I tagged this Bubo bubo; please check it
www.flickr.com/photos/8458267@N03/2146554337/
440 Contributor has this as Jungle Babbler. It is not, is it? If not can anyone ID?
www.flickr.com/photos/43904322@N00/2323103123/
441 ChiffChaff? There was some discussion about this but never resolved. Should it be tagged or removed? RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/85815034@N00/2323621030/
442 Contributor has this and Avibase has this 'Clements 5th ed.:
Bonelli's Eagle (Hieraaetus fasciatus)' but the index is Aquila. Should I newbird tag it? RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/91767273@N00/2328696311/
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439 - yes, you're correct.
441 - I've tagged it because I can't see what else it could be. Would still welcome alternative (or confirmatory) views if anyone has them.
442 - Remember we're using the 2005 update to Clements 5th - the relevant entry in Avibase is therefore the one which reads: Clements 5th ed. (updated 2005):
Bonelli's Eagle (Aquila fasciatus) In other words this species used to be placed in the genus Hieraaetus but was moved to the genus Aquila in the 2005 update. So no need for a newbird tag, just the "Aquila fasciatus" tag - which I've now added.
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Thanks Dave. Just when I was thinking I had the Avibase thing figured out. Above I quoted avibase from Bonelli's Eagle page
'Clements 5th ed.: Bonelli's Eagle (Hieraaetus fasciatus)'
So now I am cornfuzzled!
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There's been six fully-published editions of the Clements list - the 5th edition came out in 2000 and the 6th in 2007, but between the 5th and 6th there were some updates made in 2005. In other words they made changes to the 5th edition but didn't immediately publish them as a new edition. The changes they made in the 2005 update were incorporated in the 6th edition when it came out recently, along with a relatively small number of additional changes. We're using the 2005 update to the 5th edition as this was the most recent version available when we settled on it (before the 6th edition came out). So look out for "Clements 5th ed. (updated 2005)", not just "Clements 5th ed." when using Avibase!
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Yes ... I just NOW picked up on that as the reason for the Ringed Kingfisher problem I had, too. Thanks again for your patience.
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440 an educated guess based on this one photo.
Of the Turdiodes Babblers this looks (to Me) most like
Large Grey Babbler ( Turdoides malcolmi ).
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443: [SOLVED]
Planalto Woodcreeper (x2) tagged as Buff-throated:
* www.flickr.com/photos/pantaneiro/2377850887/
* www.flickr.com/photos/pantaneiro/2378689394/
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444: REMOVED
misidentified and useless for ID
www.flickr.com/photos/majamom/1465550341/
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444 gone, thanks.
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I just spent about an hour going over that person's hummingbird photos in the group. Most were misidentified and I added the correct tags, but we'll see what happens. I contacted her asking that she remove the incorrect tags.
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Forgive me is this is the wrong forum for these comments.
Lagooney tels me this bird is not a white-collared seedeater.
I deeply respect the dedication and skills you all have, so I promptly removed it from the pool. However, please allow me to provide reasons for my identification (amateur though I am).
I am not sure I have seen indigo bunting in this area (certainly nothing even closely resembling them in the last few months). I have hundreds of shots of blue buntings and orange breasted buntings (both common right now). The varied buntings and painted bunting I see in the winter seem to have moved on. So, I discount female indigo bunting.
The place that this shot was taken has a few male blue-black grassquits, and several male white-collared seedeaters. Based on location of the males, this could be a female of either.
This bird appeared to me to be hanging around with a male seedeater.
The female blue-black grassquit is supposed to have dusky streaking in the throat and chest (Howell) - see an earlier shot in my photostream. this one does not appear to have that streaking.
Langooney is concerned because of the lack of a "white mark in the primaries" of this bird. Howell (A guide to the birds of Mexico and north central America) describes three groups of seedeaters. I note that the few shots of female seedeaters in the pool are from the area of Belize, or Veracruz. My shot is from Jalisco - west Mexico. Howell notes about the west Mexico goup, which he calls torqueola, (and I quote) "note lack of white wingbars in all ages/sexes." As a result, I could not exclude a seedeater, though the lack of streaking seemed to me to exclude a grassquit. (This is tough stuff, isn't it?)
So, I would really like, if at all possible, more comment on whether this is a seedeater, or a grassquit.
Thank you all again for your help in the past, and I hope I don't sound rude by challenging the view of someone I truly respect.
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Howard Platt
Could have posted it to the Bird Id helpline but no matter.
First off I'm a UK birder so have no first hand experience. However forget plumage variations for the moment and study the size , shape and length (conformation) of the bill. Searching through images on the net, IMHO I'd say you can rule out White-collared seedeater and Blue-black grassquit based on this one feature alone. If I had to take a guess I'd have said this was a female Indigo Bunting.
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Don't worry about challenging an ID - no-one's above making mistakes and I for one have been put right by people with far less birding experience on more than one occasion.
My experience of Seedeaters is nil, but every species of Seedeater I can recall seeing in photos has had a much thicker bill than this, so I'd be surprised if it was one. I wonder if Howell's reference to Mexican birds lacking the white wing-bars includes the white patch that Brennan was speaking of or not - I wouldn't call the patch of white on the base of the primaries of some species a wing-bar, but maybe Howell does! I'm not sure that I've got enough experience with Indigo/Lazuli/Blue/etc. Buntings to nail this to species level but it certainly looks like one of them, and I wouldn't argue with Indigo.
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I should have paid more attention to the bill in the first place. Clearly not a seedeater!
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Western Scrub Jays (Aphelocoma californica) tagged with A. coerulescens (Florida Scrub Jay) -- probably by people using pre-split field guides:
444 RESOLVED <www.flickr.com/photos/castacant/484373051/
445 RESOLVED www.flickr.com/photos/18218592@N02/2393432199/
446 RESOLVED www.flickr.com/photos/18218592@N02/2393436695/
447 RESOLVED www.flickr.com/photos/sheltieboulevard/2191120585/
448 RESOLVED <www.flickr.com/photos/tg40post/289029678/
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Thanks Anita.
A couple here which are identified correctly (I assume, in one case) but have the wrong scientific names.
449 ** RESOLVED ** (tags corrected)
Red-backed Shrike, not Lanius souzae (unfortunately)
450
Macleay's Honeyeater, not Xanthotis flaviventer (I assume)
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451 Unidentified untagged redshank. I don't know which, sorry! RESOLVED Thanks Buckeye
www.flickr.com/photos/19344723@N05/2347803803/
452 Hawk-Eagle from Kerala, India These are the three in the Avibase checklist: Changeable Hawk-Eagle Spizaetus cirrhatus Most likely. The next two not in the Pool.
Flores Hawk-Eagle Spizaetus floris Endangered
Mountain Hawk-Eagle Spizaetus nipalensis
www.flickr.com/photos/23321169@N07/2351585263/
RESOLVED- Spizaetus cirrhatus tag added.
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450 - Macleay's. I watched her take the photo :-)
451 - Your actual real proper (unspotted) redshank.
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453 REMOVED
Unidentified, immature (Braziliian?) hummingbirds; was asked to ID and tag 3 months ago. Remove?
www.flickr.com/photos/14885827@N08/2360993597/
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www.flickr.com/photos/14885827@N08/2361825270/
454 RESOLVED
A Yellow Wagtail, but as no location is specified I am unsure about tagging it
www.flickr.com/photos/19344723@N05/2363770664/
455 Unidentified Hong Kong passerine, probably captive ... asked 2 months ago to ID and tag. Remove?
www.flickr.com/photos/22520298@N08/2363370095/
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456 ditto, though not asked to correct. previously. Captive.
www.flickr.com/photos/22520298@N08/2364215356/
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454 - A yellow wag is a yellow wag is a yellow wag. I tagged.
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Thanks Buckeye. I found an 'Eastern yellow wagtail in the index, so not being familiar with that, I held off.
457 Unidentified, location unspecified 'Chirigüe Común' RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/jpulido/2364575064/?editedcomment=1...
458 Another P albiventer problem from Patagonia, which I am unsure whether to tag as atriceps RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/7708496@N05/2054088387/
459 Unidentiied Japanese passerine
www.flickr.com/photos/24607853@N02/2370359463/?addedcomme...
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455
As Steve syas in his comment Orange-headed Thrush (Zoothera citrina)
Hmm, that's interesting, for some reason I can't add tags here?? Does that mean he has me blocked??
In any event I would say well worth keeping.
459
Ixos amaurotis
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453 - the first one at least is a good photo and worth keeping if we can get an ID. Rasmus may be able to help on this one...
454 - a Yellow Wag is a Yellow Wag if it's a Spanish Wag, but not any more if it's an Eastern Yellow Wag! Fortunately, as 454 was taken by a Spanish photographer and it looks a bit like a Spanish (Yellow) Wag, it probably is a Yellow Wag!
455 - I've tagged this one Martin. Can't think why you couldn't unless you're blocked or perhaps Flickr is just playing up.
456 - I've tagged this one too - Golden-crested Myna Ampeliceps coronatus. Steve had ID'd this one too, simply as Ampeliceps, but it looks like there is only one Ampeliceps.
457 - Corn Bunting, now tagged.
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460 RESOLVED
www.flickr.com/photos/rashed11112/2566269604/in/pool-bird...
Sorry to keep harping on but the last time I checked the bad list this guy had over 50 untagged photos in the pool.
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I've sorted most of Rashed's out now (those that hadn't already been sorted by you/others). I understand your frustration but I'm not convinced the guy understands english, at least well enough to realise what he's expected. Either way, the quality of his photos is amazing and they're frequently the best, or even only, photos we have of the species, or at least subspecies. One of his Yellow Wagtails was of a highly distinctive intergrade form the likes of which I've never even seen described, two more of them were new races for us. So while I agree it's annoying when someone persistently ignores the rules, in this case I'm happy to tag them for him in order to keep them. I'll try and keep an eye out for his photos in future as I don't want the other admins getting unduly wound up by him!
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Good on you Dave, I agree he never posts a sub-standard shot. and is technically up there with the best. That's why I find it so frustrating.
I wonder if it might be possible to find someone from the region (ie Kuwait) who does understand English and ask them pass on a request for us.
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Google does العربية!
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OK Duncan ta
I'll give it a go. I'll send him a translated mail and see what response I get.
Martin
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461 RESOLVED
Any thoughts?
www.flickr.com/photos/weichen0520/2565818125/in/pool-bird...
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I agree with Dave and don't mind tagging his. The bad news is he seems to have new partners in 'crime' with almost equally good shots who also don't tag! He is training others?? The flickr kuwait bird club seems to be growing!
www.flickr.com/photos/13469072@N03/2374410123/
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www.flickr.com/photos/32966415@N00/2354544162/
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www.flickr.com/photos/7668450@N05/2483881510/
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www.flickr.com/photos/13469072@N03/2483360173/
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461 - My thought matches yours: red-whiskered bulbul.
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"? minds think alike"
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Here is a Google translation of the requst for tags from the front page of FGBW.Feel free to leave it as a comment where you see fit.
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In order to maintain a true on-line Field Guide: Birds of the World it is necessary that you tag photos with the correct scientific/latin name per Clements 5th edition. Tags make this pool work, so your assistance in tagging your photos is greatly appreciated. Untagged photos may be removed from the pool.
من اجل المحافظة على الخط الصحيح الدليل الميداني : الطيور من العالم ومن الضرورى ان علامة لكم مع الصور العلميه الصحيحه / اللاتينية اسم لكل كليمينتس الطبعه الخامسة. علامات للسباحه جعل هذا العمل ، حتى مساعدتكم في التعليم صورك هي موضع تقدير. صور غير معلم يمكن ازالته من المجمع.
Martin.
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462 English "Brown Hornbill" conflicts with Anorrhinus (= Ptilolaemus) tickelli and both occur in Thailand.
*resolved*
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re 462 Also see the 407 discussions above
I went ahead and put a modifications of Martin's translation on all the Kuwaiti club's entries in the bad pool, so we will see what comes of it.
It looks like we need one for a photographer from Thailand, too Martin. There are about a dozen of these ... An example:
www.flickr.com/photos/22998644@N02/2463460153/
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