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Was Henry Holiday an "Arts Bandit"?

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Bonnetmaker  Pro User  says:

Henry Holiday illustrated Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark. I think, he used segments from classic arts to build his own puzzles in parallel to Carroll's textual conundrums.


Examples:

Banker Snatched by the Bandersnatch by Bonnetmaker
Segment from The Image Breakers (1566-1568) by Marcus Gheeraerts the Elder used in Holiday's illustration (1876) to The Banker's Fate in The Hunting of the Snark.


Anne Hale Mrs. Hoskins by Bonnetmaker

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/60861613@N00/3795750459/]Anne Hale, Mrs Hoskins (1629) by Marcus Gheeraerts the Younger and a segment of an illustration by Henry Holiday to Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark (1876)


I think, Holiday's borrowing from other artists not only is legitimate, it also is masterful. In this group there perhaps is the experience required to evaluate Henry Holiday's illustrations to Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark. Any comments?
www.flickr.com/photos/bonnetmaker/sets/72157623644224091/
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Bonnetmaker  Pro User  says:

Another Example:

Le petit bleu qui trouble by Bonnetmaker
Illustrations by Gustave Doré (to John Milton's Paradise Lost, Book I, 1866) and by Henry Holiday (to The Hunting of the Snark, 1876). There is also a larger image without notes and comments.

From Doré's Root to Holiday's Rat by Bonnetmaker
A detail from from the comparisin of the two images.
 
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Joelstuff Vp.3 is a group administrator Joelstuff Vp.3  Pro User  says:

I see what you mean. Mr Holliday was very subtle but from these pictures you can see that he liked to reference other imagery in his work. A classic art bandit, one of many.
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Bonnetmaker  Pro User  says:

To me, Holiday's graphical quoting from other works runs parallell to references to real life issues in Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark. Carroll very meticulously checked the contributions of his illustrators. And the collaboration between Carroll and Holiday ves very harmonious. So it can be assumed, that Carroll consented to Holidays "pointers" to other works of art.

If I am right, then Carroll also had given his consent for including his face into the Snark:

Lewis Carroll in "The Hunting of the Snark" by Bonnetmaker


By the way: I discovered that more than 130 years after the Snark was written. The simple reason why it took such a long time to discover this is: The 130 years don't really count. The first match which I found was this one:
Holiday and Gheeraerts I by Bonnetmaker


I found Gheeraerts etching when using a search engine. All other matches I found in the internet too. And the internet surely is not 130 years old. So this is a good example how the internet (including flickr) can connect knowledge and how it can contribute to research in arts history (and to history in general).
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Bonnetmaker  Pro User  says:

The source of the Dream Snark

Lewis Carrioll did not want Henry Holiday to depict the Snark. But Holiday could let the Snark appear in The Barrister's Dream. Also in this case, Holiday again quoted graphically from Marcus Gheeraerts the Elder:

From where did the Snark sneak in? by Bonnetmaker

 
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