farmer boy 9:22pm, 13 November 2011
....what a difference an R makes...

Whilst telling the wife about my plans to take a tour of the Wold (an area I have yet to visit) I was somewhat taken aback at her unbridled enthusiasm and encouragement. Her insistence on life insurance, medical cover and a 2 year time limit should have alerted me to the developing misunderstanding. I was showered with admiration and praise for my adventurous spirit and bravery so, needless to say, it would have been somewhat churlish to admit that my plans were considerably less ambitious than she thought. Essentially, I am now committed to crossing two oceans (really big ones!) and various other bits of water in between. I have to set off next Spring because she has placed an advert to rent my shed out and I think she will be taking a lodger. She is one of those "glass half full girls".

Luckily enough both of the kids had been returned from slavery (marked "unfit for purpose") so I have renamed them and they now have new owners in the middle east somewhere... the profits have enabled me to order new wire to keep the mast up, new bits of rope to keep the sails on the yacht, various gubbins to fix the whirly bit behind the engine, new cushions to encourage sleep, new windows that will not pop out at the sight of a wave, (I hope the only wave I see is the wife's on the lock gates at Widnes International Marina) oh.. and some shiny new sails.
I think it is fair to say that the ball is rolling.

Some of you will be aware that my A24 is now for sale and hopefully Norman will put the details on the website for me. I must be the only person to have bought an A24, spent 12 months fixing and polishing it and never even got it wet (except when I hosed it to check for leaks). I will have to take everyone's word that it is great to sail!

So......, you may have guessed that I need a fair bit of advice! (and yes... I have already been told to seek advice from a psychiatrist).

Expensive stuff first...... windvane steering jobby thing. I have been told that a Navik is the one for an Albin Vega but they do not appear to make them any more. (Don't suppose Ron has one in his shed?). If anyone can find one for me that would be great - or suggestions for an alternative?

Radar - I believe you can get modern ones that do not use much power - any thoughts would be appreciated....

enough for now - wife has just asked me how to spell "desertion"....hmmmm.....

Captain John
farmer boy 7 years ago
.. sorry one more thought.... first aid / medical kit. Is Norman the medical expert? I may need everything from a sticking plaster to a DIY brain surgery kit... can anyone help with what will be sensible to take with me.

I have already bought a First Aid box and started with aspirins, heameroyd cream (spelling!), condoms and viagra... do you think I will need anything else?

Admiral John
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Can you set off tomorrow.?.....I can't wait to read your blog
busy home [deleted] 7 years ago
Skykomish Malcom is THE expert,
norman will write you a navigational programe.
I will paint your boat orange.
PJb will make you a computer
Neil will sell you some anodes
Daddsy will tell you how to sail fast.
Nicky will tell you not to go to sleep off the Scillys..
Andrew allways gives sensible advise
Any one else ????
pjbharrison Posted 7 years ago. Edited by pjbharrison (member) 7 years ago
pjbharrison Posted 7 years ago. Edited by pjbharrison (member) 7 years ago
Dell Latitude XFR

Panasonic Toughbook

Rugged Smartphone

Motorolas new Defy +
Just launched water resistant go anywhere quadband smartphone
craig48uk 7 years ago
I can help with Caribbean contacts, nav and directions, along with an endless list of drinking parlours, eateries etc up and down the island chain!
farmer boy 7 years ago
I shall be bidding for the Navik - thanks for the rest of the info. Craig... "endless list of drinking parlours" - good man - sounds like particularly useful stuff!
What is the thinking ref watermakers? I believe you can buy hand operated ones? Anyone ever used one?
pjbharrison Posted 7 years ago. Edited by pjbharrison (member) 7 years ago
Don't know how familiar you are with Ebay. I use a snipe tool to place a bid for me in the last few seconds of an auction. It saves having to sit around waiting to hit the Enter button. If you don't have a snipe tool visit and try their eBay sniper. I find it very good. Good luck with your bidding
Ebay item number 150586755825 sold last April for £781.54. Useful as a guide price. Maybe contact seller and see if he has a "buy it now" price
jendave1 7 years ago
Not so much practical experience, but I have thought (& read) lots about what you're planning. Have you read Heavy Weather Sailing?
One way to ride out a storm is to drop a parachute sea anchor off the bow, so the boat is lying fixed in the water facing into the waves which will then be coming over the bow - personally seems a better idea to me than having the stern pointing into the waves.
Anyway sea anchors are £600 odd from marine suppliers; anyone who knows me will tell you that's too heavy for my wallet!
One idea is to source a NATO parachute which they use for dropping food parcels, heavy equipment etc - in the US fishermen use them to stay with the current.
I found them at - will get one myself, probably not be used but nice to know it's there.
You will also need a long rode (at least 150' say 18mm diameter) heavy enough to take the considerable loads involved (and a slightly longer tripping line), and I would also suggest taking loads of stuff for anti-chafing (flexible PVC hose etc), not only for the sea anchor but also for anchor rode, mooring lines etc.
I would also want a removable inner stay & storm jib, trysail, and perhaps a riding sail. And at least 3 decent anchors & plenty of chain!
Skykomish E29 7 years ago
You will need a very comprehensive first aid kit if you plan to be away from civilisation for any length of time. You can buy purpose made kits for this but they seem to be terribly expensive. a lot will depend on the age range of the crew, their general fitness, and pre existing medical conditions.
You may have been joking, but in actual fact Asprin is a potential life saver and is the first line of treatment for a heart attack ( This should be carried by all crews in their first aid kit, particularly if anybody is over 40 however you should be familiar with the "Contra indications")
It would be useful to take some sort of anti inflammatory like Ibruprofen and general pain killer like Paracetamol ( these all kill pain in different ways so are more relevant for some ailments than others)
It would be worth, nearer the departure time to speak to your GP about getting some broad spectrum antibiotics to take with you, particularly if you are going to be at sea or away from civilisation for more than a week at a time.
First aid suppliers do emergency dental kits which enables you to replace fillings with a DIY temporary one, not sure how good they are when it comes to repairing your own teeth but are not badly priced so would be worth considering.
A good supply of "Steri Strips" would be useful to repair severe lacerations, and though not medically recommended but useful all the same a bottle of "Super Glue", this is similar to what the hospital uses to "glue" small wounds except theirs is "medical grade" and costs 3 times the price of what you buy it for in B&Q.
busy home [deleted] 7 years ago
i sailed from St Ives in a Challanger 35 to Groves and gutterage Cowes.
Junk rig two masts, and a navic ,,,
we encountered 45 kts off anvil point,, and big seas ,,
The navic was superb ,, we never touched the tiller except to avoid a pair of trawlers , yes pair trawling.. (check out the light signal s it was 3 am
I was alone on deck October and cold) traveling at 8/10 kts and closeing fast. (carry a lights chart stuck to the wall in front and a low power small torch.)
Carry a large bar of chocolate in your wet gear top pocket,, stops the cold.
farmer boy 7 years ago
I have been in touch with the chap with the second hand navik - he also has a watermaker! I shall see what price he comes up with. I have also made a list of stuff to do and or buy...

Things needed for the trip....

water maker
self steering - navik?
new thru hulls - plastic?
life raft - second hand? as apart form used!!!!
safety lines
ss lugs for the cockpit sole
spare fuel pump
spare injectors (2)
combi grease niple extension
new sails
laptop etc
bimini - hopefully sunshie will be a problem..
generator - I have a small 2 stroke genny..
new batteries
anchor and chain - lots of
new windows
new throttle lever and cable
new cushions
small seat
spares for combi etc and engine
ssb radio receiver
gps for laptop
12 v fans
cockpit tent / sun shield
mosquito net
1st aid kit - see SkyKomish
passport and all paperwork.. find out what is needed.
spare combi and prop?
workshop manuals
fishing gear
scuba gear - spear gun
spare mobile phones
sextant (plastic) and book on how to use it...
series drogue
ss vetus mushroom vents
dorade vents
self tailing winches - second hand?
check regulator is smart! The Sterling Regulator?

I guess there will be a load more stuff as well...

I am busy trying to fix the throttle linkage - have managed to completely destroy it ... need to find a replacement. I will get back to cleaning it up... found loads of rotting food behind the cooker and the grease was unbelievable... yuk! Still smells... maybe ~I will get used to it...

Cabin Boy John
pjbharrison Posted 7 years ago. Edited by pjbharrison (member) 7 years ago
That seller also has some winches, check his other items
Active radar reflector
Gas alarm
Smoke alarm
Cuddly toy
Gel heating packs, great for cold nights

Wind generator on eBay
NormanKlipspringer 7 years ago
How about using Spot?? so we can tack your progress on the internet.
craig48uk 7 years ago
Quick glance at your list, be aware that spear guns are illegal in some locales, the British Virgin Islands for example.
For sleeping comfort you may need a 12V mounted fan, Caframo, Hella Turbo etc for the tropics and I'd thoroughly recommend a Breeze Booster, or windscoop for the forehatch. Spent many comfortable nights at anchor on Chiron and the C&C 39 with these fitted, although you do have to do a hatch drill once or twice a night when the showers come.
Cruising Guides will be essential, thoroughly recommend Chris Doyle's publications. Used them a lot down there.
Budget Marine is the best stocked chandlery chain in the Caribbean, along with Island Water World on St Martin/Maarten. Take a look at their sites to whet your tropical dreams. I spent a lot of time and vast amountsof the charter companies money with those guys and they are highly knowledgeable.
Skykomish E29 7 years ago
You might find the book "Sell up & Sail" by Bill & Laurel Cooper a valuable source of advice as this couple wrote the book based on their own experiences and is considered "The Bible" of those planning long term cruising. I would include the link on Amazon but that would I think cause the site a few problems with Flickr's T & C's. It is around £14
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Just bought a used hardback copy of "Sell up and Sail" on eBay for £3.98 inc. postage.
Thanks for that one, Malcolm
farmer boy 7 years ago
Thanks to all - so much good information...
I have a wind gennny - Forgen 500 - not sure how good it will be but it is new and came with the boat.
Never heard of spot? Will look it up.
I have just worked out how to use the Kindle software and have downloaded the suggested books - wonderful system - and loads of free books as well - including the Slocum one. Well, off to tidy up the inside of the boat - maybe a bit of painting today. The A24 experience is coming into its own now - done it all before!
Such a lot to think about.....
1st Mate John
NormanKlipspringer 7 years ago
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Have a look at
Scroll down to see his Spot track
farmer boy Posted 7 years ago. Edited by farmer boy (member) 7 years ago
Thanks all... coming down south on Monday!! Need to pick up the Navik in Gosport... think I may buy a watermaker off him as well....
hope they both work!

ps that spot thing is clever!!! I will make sure I get it....
Red Marlin 7 years ago
Solar panels where you will be going. A fridge is maybe a luxury but well worth having (we now have a coolmatic built in and a Waeco freezer) but then you need bigger panels ours is 130, The previous one was 120 BP and too small. LED lighting really saves power. Pressure cooker essential. Meals can be prepared in advance. This is also where the fridge comes in as it is almost impossible to do one meal in a pressure cooker. Chartplotter of course. and small back up GPS, Size of water tanks is no longer a problem as you can stock up with bottled water as well. Beans and lots of spices as food can become bland. Looking forward to reading the book
farmer boy 7 years ago
New sails are ordered. (Quay sails - recommended for Vega's) I have gone for fancy "extended cruising" sails and managed to get 15% discount through Vega Owners club - its still a big hit at just over £2000 but it had to be done. New main, genoa and cruising chute...
....thats it now - I really cannot back out!

Solar panels.... is it wise to buy a few smaller power panels or one big one? Just thinking about breakages and maintaining some redundancy.

ps just been out to repair leaking water pipes in the caravan - found 12 splits due to the frost last winter! Just about re-plumbed the damn thing!!! Must remember to drain all the water out of the boat as well this winter...
rothwell_neil 7 years ago

We probably need to start a list for the non essential essentials that will be required to make such an arduous and long adventure possible.
Ice maker for ice for the G&Ts
Still to make the alcohol for the G&Ts
Hydrophonic kit to grow lemons for G&T as well as celery for the Bloody Mary's
I believe the cuddly toy for those scary nights has been mentioned?
Valium as a sedative for those scary nights, Amphetamine used to work for the WW2 pilots to keep them awake for those long scary nights, when tired from being scared or approaching a rocky coast.
Tape recorder to record last messages for loved ones in case long scary nights too long and scary and you do a Donald Crowhurst.
Do it your self lunacy detection kit.
Long distance self help correspondence course in psychology, make sure you get the right book and not to be confused with phycology unless you want to know more about algae.
Irridium phone to issue instructions to wife about how to deal with lodger.
Tania Aebi recommended a cat for companionship, with the advent of the modern world perhaps an Alsation would work to keep away pirates. At least you would be able to talk to it on long dark scary nights.
Knitting kit to make wooly hats to keep head warm.
Some form of self defence in case the Alsation resents being talked to all the time and mutinies.
A paddle as best to have one if you do end up shit creek on a long dark scary night.
welkman001 7 years ago
Obviously there is the obligatory copy of war and peace to start and never finish. Im also not sure how a hydrophone will help with growing plants? Maybe you need a hydroponic kit for that and the hydrphone to help you spy on the dolphins after developing a parionoid dillusion about them being able to control the wind and sending you long dark scary night after long dark scary night.
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Good point well made, maybe a good hydroponic kit would then let you use hydrophonics to hear the lemon tree growing? Also useful for detecting Orcas prowling the seas on dark and scary nights just waiting for Admiral John to pee over the side. Probably find a working heads would help with this last paranoia.
Will need some reality pills as well as after being on own for 2 years you would develop an unhealthy attitude in believing that you are occasionally right, taking these pills before re-establishing contact with the current Mrs John will help with your 'retraining'.
farmer boy 7 years ago
Well - its official - you are all as mad as a bag of snakes! :)
Spent all day yesterday driving to Gosport and returned with a Navik, a watermaker (katadyne) and various other bits and bobs!! I even have a chart now!
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
John, I can lend you a map book of Northern Europe that should get you to the Canaries, well almost that far but once you get off the coast of Morocco how hard can it be?
farmer boy 7 years ago
Thankyou very much - I guess I just turn right and keep going?
farmer boy 7 years ago
Thankyou very much - I guess I just turn right after the canaries and keep going? - hopefully I can just follow someone.
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Glad to hear the Navik worked out. Hope you got a good deal on it..
Have you a schedule worked out? Will it be a continuous trip or made in stages?
Are you looking for crew?
farmer boy 7 years ago
I paid £550 for the Navik - it came with a spare rudder bit and another big bit - and some small bits as well....not sure what they all do! It was all set up and seemed to work fine. Its a clever bit of engineering!
£500 for the Katadyn 40 watermaker which works fine as well...and a 500 amp service battery bank (4 of them - 6V). They were all at just over 6V and I have had them tested - all good so far!. He threw in a good 12V starter battery - I can now run my own power station. Must buy an electric kettle!
He gave me a load of charts - but mainly the Med so I need a load more of - well everywhere I guess.... also a hand bearing compass - really nice one used by divers and 2 sets of harnesses and safety lines. he was a really nice guy and he wished me luck...

I plan to go out with Neil (convoy) as soon as possible in the spring for week or so and see what I can break and find out what doesn't work then come home and fix it - (probably for a year or so! - joking)
.. plan to set off maybe June or July - I will have to look up when is the best time to leave. Then go south for a bit and then find the canaries and then go west for a bit and find some warm islands and then wife will come and visit. Wife will throw up for a few weeks and go home in disgust - then I shall try and find the big canal and keep going west.

failing that I will get as far as Cardiff and scuttle the bloody thing... must arrange insurance.

Plan is to go alone - mainly because nobody likes me, but also because I had a trip to Portugal last year (as crew) and the owners were effin tyrants and I could have happily thrown them overboard after 4 days at sea with them... stuck up "know it alls" with their heads up their respective bums... don't want to risk mutiny again... :)
Neil may find some time to come as far as Portugal - but his job may get in the way! I may re-think the crew thing when I have tried to sail alone... hmmm..
I am relieved that I have let the cat out of the bag.. I have been thinking about it for some time and it is a miracle that the wife has let me do one more daft thing!
Anyway - I will definitely set off - actually doing it is another thing! Might even get to see Songuer...
craig48uk 7 years ago
You don't necessarily want to be in the Caribbean during hurricane season, nowadays May to November. Apart from the weekly tropical waves, which can spin up into depressions, storms and hurricanes, the in betweeny bits are calm and hot. September is the historical peak.
Any insurance company generally insists that you are out of the hurricane box, e.g. below 12N or Grenada southwards. If you are in the Caribbean at that time, make sure you have a hurricane hole lined up and get into it 2-3 days early.
FYI, the ARC departs the Canaries in November, on their way to St Lucia. It may be an idea to push off from there a good few days before their scheduled departure, if you'd like some form of company.
farmer boy 7 years ago
Thanks Craig.... Looks like I shall be leaving the canaries in November then... but will need to leave UK in July or August, I think, to cross Biscay in nice weather - which gives me 4 months to get to the canaries.. even at 4 mph I should be able to do that.... it will give me plenty of time to wish I was home in bed.

All this talk of the Caribbean and the reality is I am scrubbing out a greasy filthy bilge at the moment!
farmer boy 7 years ago
removed a couple of thru hulls today... not sure what they were made of ...... pinky / brass colour - but they were very brittle . Just snapped like carrots!!! Yikes! Plastic (marelon) for the new ones i think!
busy home [deleted] 7 years ago
Old bronze,,,
you need to talk to a metalurgest.. over a cup of coffee .
Is there any one local to you?
blueachilles 7 years ago
There's been a lot of stuff in Yachting Monthly recently about what seacocks are/should be made of.
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
A metallurgists view on this?

Bronze/gunmetal, I once worked on the Holland 1 submarine that was built in 1901, sank in 1913 and was pulled up to surface in 1982. Bronze fitting were fine! So long as you grease them they will not jam and they will not corrode. Keep them isolated and they will outlive us all.

Brass, never use this and I wouldn't even touch Dezincification Resistant Brass DZR because this still isn't good and the Chinese stamp ordinary brass as DZR and this is ordinary plumbing stuff and will fail in less than 2 years.

Stainless, lots of people rate these and so they should as 316 will be fine for use submerged, don't use copper grease or any rubbish like that but like Bronze so long as looked after will be fine.

Marelon is not prone to any of the corrosion problems but will fail if hit hard, not an issue in most locations! Believe they are rated for 20 years plus so sound like an option. I have one in the heads and am happy with it.

The main thing is avoid brass, keep electrically isolated and stick to the same material, bronze and bronze, stainless and stainless don't mix and match.
craig48uk 7 years ago
Just make sure you move the Marelon seacocks monthly, otherwise the can stick. Otherwise they're as "maintenance free" as a seacock can get.
farmer boy 7 years ago
Windsong is sold!
.... and guess who has bought her? She is going back to her original owners... so cool! The chap and his son (who was 2 years old when she was bought brand new) came to see her and decided to buy her. They are really nice people and I am so pleased that she is going back to them. They brought all the original sales documentation - much of it hand written and some typed - it was like antiques roadshow!
Anyway, they are building a new trailer for her and will pick her up after Christmas so I will soon have the money to get all the bits I need for the Albin Vega.

I have ordered new cushions for the Vega from a chap Neil recommended (he does re-upholstering of pubs etc) and he is going to have a go at making a new sprayhood using the old one as a template. I will let you know how it goes - hopefully he will be a lot cheaper than the traditional "yachty" type places! We shall see.

I have been thinking about toilets - as one does... and I was wondering if it is vital to have a holding tank? I don't have one at the moment and I am unsure what the "regulations" are?
blueachilles 7 years ago
How nice to sell Windsong back to the original owner. I wonder if he paid more or less for her this time?
Red Marlin 7 years ago
we do not have a holding tank and never had one. The day may come when it is needed but not yet. We are however very envronmentally aware of waste disposal so feel good about it.
welkman001 7 years ago
we had one on a boat I did a transat on along with an electrical massicator loo. We ended up having to unblock the loo and the tank. The tank was full after the owners left the boat and it was not pretty. I suggest you dont fit one unless you are going somewhere that requires one by law. If you do fit one put in a Y valve and splitter pipe so you have the option not to use it. The last thing you want is to be lying on the cabin sole elbow deep in faecal matter in a good force 6, especially if the cabin temperature is 40 degrees!
songeur2010 7 years ago
I've just installed an electric toilet with 40 litre holding into Songeur. A holding tank is mandatory in NZ harbours but I don't like swimming in s**t in any case so seemed like a good idea. The holding tank fitted under the forward bunk so the entire installation was quite tidy.
My comments after use are; I should have gotten a bigger bowl, bit of a tight squeeze.
Need to flush regularly to ensure it all goes through.
I didn't install a "Y" valve as it would of meant a lot more plumbing and anti syphon loop, but in retrospect I should have.
I have set up the holding tank pump so it can be lifted higher than the tank for servicing, and the tank can be completely removed in the worst case.
For me this will hopefully be a bit more civilized for the ladies than a porta potty or bucket.
farmer boy 7 years ago
Just laughing about the "bigger bowl" and "tight squeeze"! So funny!
I will give it a try if I ever get as far as NZ!
songeur2010 7 years ago
Even my son (13) managed to skid the back of the seat, not sure what market TMC were aiming for, pardon the pun, certainly not the slightly overweight European one that's for sure.
Raydock 7 years ago
Anti-emetics and electrolyte might be useful if the going gets tough!
farmer boy 7 years ago
Hi all, now that Windsong has gone to her new home I am ready to start getting the stuff I will need......

Hard dinghy - I would like one that can be sailed - anyone have any recommendations? (or one they wish to sell?) It cannot be more than 8 ft long.

Does anyone have any of the following they wish to sell?
Portable VHF
Outboard motor - 4 stroke - mainly for the dinghy but also as a spare "engine" for the yacht.
Jordan series drogue
ssb radio receiver

I have a Lewmar ST30 winch for sale if anyone is interested. It will be on ebay soon.

Hope everyone has a great new year....
farmer boy 7 years ago
Update... the winch sold for £255 on ebay - a result! I now have a functioning 4 hp outboard - it needed a bit of work but seems fine now.
Most of the old antifoul is scraped off - a few coats of primicon and then new antifoul will have to do. Paint for the topsides has arrived but I shall wait for warmer weather. The thruhulls are in - the toilet and sink seacocks were bigger than I thought so it's a tight squeeze to get them in.
I was going to buy a new loo but I have ended up buying a repair kit and I will replace the original.
The mast beam support plate is in and the holes for the old log and depth transducer have been filled with epoxy.
I have removed the gearbox (called a combi unit - it alters the prop pitch) and replaced all the bearings and oil seals. The prop shaft was a bit worn were it goes through the bearing (cutlass?) at the back so a local engineering firm is having a look at it. They may be able to electro plate it with something to build it up then machine to size...... clever! I have renewed the white metal bearings and oil seals in the stern gland and ordered a new stern bearing.
Everywhere is a complete mess! The cockpit is full of oily rags and spanners and down below is a nightmare... still a delight to be able to stand up "indoors" though...... I will be glad when it is done - I am still amazed at how long jobs take on a boat. Wish Dadsy lived around the corner so he could pop over and paint it!
.... back to the grindstone......
welkman001 7 years ago
Sounds like you are getting there. I will post some pictures of my boat soon which will make you feel a bit better about the mess! Currently have about 2/3 of the new plywood core in place but every time I put up a new strip it rains epoxy, not fun. This weather is giving me a nice lift, I cant wait to get the boat in the water. What paint did you get for the deck?
farmer boy 7 years ago
Hi.. I don't envy your job - I managed to epoxy my drill to the table. It was hilarious as I picked it up and the table came with it!
I ended up buying International Toplac for the topsides...(white). I have some International Perfection that came with the boat but It looks VERY old and I have not got every scrap of the old paint off so a single pack paint is probably safer. Toplac seems to have a good reputation and lasts nearly as long as many 2 pack paints. Also it is easy to put on - so they say!
I will be giving the topsides one final sand tomorrow and then its time for a washdown and then undercoat. It is good to be making things better rather than destroying it!
Good luck with the re-core...
pjbharrison 7 years ago
I used international paint on deck a few years ago. I wouldn't paint deck white again ,,, blinding is sunlight!
Make sure to use a good quality high density roller. They can tend to soften and break up so change often.
Power washed deck today and some of the paint in the cockpit came off where it had been well worn. Otherwise a good paint.
Andrew Curry 7 years ago
farmer boy Posted 7 years ago. Edited by farmer boy (member) 7 years ago
Well the first dollop of undercoat is on and it was a lot easier than I thought. The paint (International prekote) is very good.... not that I have ever used many marine paints.... but it went on very well with a foam roller and the finish is MUCH better than I expected! I am even thinking of just using a roller for the topcoat..... The finish looks a bit like a spray job using paint that was a bit too thick. It is "orangepeely" but looks pretty good despite that and the slightly orangepeel effect hides a few sins underneath! It may look a bit dodgy with a high gloss paint but I think I may try the stern with just the roller and see how it looks. I have done a better job of preparation than I thought and very few blemishes are showing through - such a relief!

Another undercoat tomorrow and then I shall gird my loins for the topcoat... happy days.

It is so good to be making it better now... it is so depressing ripping a yacht apart and creating one huge mess.......... I have posted a few pics but its hard to see the real finish......

ps - I am convinced that International thinners No1 is white spirit!
farmer boy 7 years ago
just a thought - has anyone applied a gloss topcoat with just a roller? (ie not bothering to "tip" it out?).... just wondering how it looked in the end?
welkman001 7 years ago
If you are going to the trouble of prepping the surface why not get an extra pair of hands to tip it off? I think I am going to get the wife to follow me with the roller to tip off with a foam brush. My friend has had superb results with this on a recent paint job. On the other hand I have not seen a paint job that has not been tipped so It could look ok.
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
I did Snifter with Toplac white with a roller, and thought it looked better without tipping off. Not a perfect finish, but not bad.
farmer boy 7 years ago
.... I have read reports that white looks good, just with a roller. I will try the stern first and see.... thanks guys.
farmer boy Posted 7 years ago. Edited by farmer boy (member) 7 years ago
1st Coat of Toplac is on...

It was much easier than I thought to put on.... I had a bit of a shock at first - the roller applied the paint with loads of tiny bubbles in it! Yuk... I have no idea why it did it - maybe a cheap roller - it seemed to squeeze air into the paint as it was applied. Ended up being a blessing as it forced me to tip it out and the bubbles gave a clear indication of where I had tipped. Jusy one vertical stroke from top to bottom and that was it.... it seems to be getting better as it dries - maybe the paint self levels or something but anyway I am pleased with the result so far. Two more coats to go.
Wonder if I should sand down between coats?
Slycat777 7 years ago
Now I want to repaint my hull!!

Did you say you didn't actually strip the hull above the water line back to bare material and just painted the primer over some remaining paint?
pjbharrison 7 years ago
As far as I can remember you don't need to sand if recoated within 48hrs as coats chemically bond to each other as first coat hasn't fully cured. After that you have to sand as the bond between the coats will be a physical bond only and sanding provides a better key.
If all else instructions!!!!
farmer boy Posted 7 years ago. Edited by farmer boy (member) 7 years ago
Slycat - I intended to use 2 pack paint so I removed the original paint - it came off easy with caustic soda but the primer underneath would not all come off... I rang the guy from International paints and he advised me to get it all off or just use a single part paint. Ended up doing the latter! So I should have just sanded it all down - not to worry! I was really worried about doing it but it looks fine as long as you don't get too close.

Ended up checking the instructions and no need to sand if painted within 24 hours.

Next time I will just sand down the old stuff and get painting - it is so easy to do.
Slycat777 7 years ago
So let me check, in theory you can just sand back the hull above the waterline to smooth it out (not necessarily removing much of or all of the paint) and then start slapping on the primer for 1 part paint ?
farmer boy 7 years ago
Yep - thats what the guy said.... the old paint has to be in good condition.... do not put 2 part paint on top of unknown stuff...
oh and tip out the undercoat ... I did not and wish I will get a great finish..
farmer boy 7 years ago
Well... I have the mother of all headaches due to the Primicon fumes! It has had 2 coats so far - maybe enough! I had fun marking the water line ( I had painted over the original) - I filled a tube with water and positioned one end at the correct level at the bow and then moved along the hull making pencil marks as I went along. towards the stern it started to be obvious something was wrong! The bloody floor is not level so I had a perfectly level line on a boat that was pointing downhill - drat!
Anyway - I had measured and noted the position of the original line and just made the correct pencil marks (4) and the pulled out the masking tape and slapped it on. Worked surprisingly well and much quicker! Although I may have to keep an anvil in the stern to make her look right!

Glad the paint is on and it is looking a bit more like a yacht. The creamy coloured deck now looks a bit out of place - lots of polishing there I think.

Next job is to get the tractor at the front and the digger at the back and see if it can be lifted enough to paint the bottom of the keel! It will probably crack in the middle! I saw someone on here do it with straw bales... I shall be careful and see if I can do it tomorrow.... fingers crossed!
jendave1 7 years ago
It might have been me with the bales of straw. Only one machine available so lifted the front, bales under then lifted the stern. Worked quite well, but I left the trailer underneath so it didn't have far to fall...
farmer boy 7 years ago
I shall do the same - hope to God it does not fall!!!
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Have you heard about this guy, farmer boy? He was mentioned to me today, and I thought of your Vega - clearly a good boat for what you have in mind! He's just sailed 27,000 miles in 307 days single handed round the Americas, including the NW passage and Cape Horn.
Also this link to the weather at the Horn looks like a couple of reefs would be needed!
farmer boy 7 years ago
Nice to know the boat is capable.. not so sure about me! Thanks for the link..
Hoping to get it in the water this week.
farmer boy 6 years ago
Well I have been for my first solo sail and managed to survive Holyhead bay!

I spent ages checking and re-checking everything before I mustered the nerve to untie the mooring lines - what a plonker! The wind was blowing me off the pontoon so I released the bow line and sprinted back to the stern as the boat rotated, released the stern line and managed to motor out forwards - useful because this damn yacht of mine will not go backwards in a straight line! The weather was a bit windier and wetter than I wanted but needs must - I had to check the Navik worked and I needed a bit of confidence that I can manage on my own. Anyway, I quickly motored out into the bay and then tried to keep her into wind so I could raise the main but she would keep swinging beam on.... the tillerpilot and engine helped but it was so blustery i could not get the main past the lines that support the lazyjacks! I decided to just use the genoa and it tramped along at 6Knots - I was amazed! I did think it was the tide but I turned around and went in the opposite direction and the speed was the same - who needs a main! Things were quite exciting as the wind (according to the Holyhead Coatguard) was 25kts so I rolled in a bit of the genoa and that brought the boat upright and it seemed to go just as fast.

Time to try out the Navik steering system - it was wonderful! I just set the wind vane thing in line with the wind and attached the lines to the tiller and it worked straight away. Glad something worked 1st time!

I had to keep untying myself from all the bits of rope and string that were making me look like an extra from a low budget bondage porn show but I eventually got the place tidy.... although every time I wanted to go somewhere the safety stopped me in my tracks - I will have to get used to that!

I learn't a valuable lesson about how easy it is to go with the wind and how awful it is against it! It took me ages to get back and I eventually gave up and fired up Mr Volvo - ended up being a wet ride back to holyhead into the wind - God knows what it must be like in "bad" weather! (note to self - stay away from bad weather1)

"Pre-landing" checks were carried out as soon as I got into the harbour with fenders down both sides and Norman's solo mooring system at the ready. The arrival at the pontoon was a bit tentative with the wind trying to blow me back out to sea but I managed to arrive quite nicely and just stepped ashore with the line in my hand. Note - next time I think it would be better to stay on board until the boat is secure - what if I had slipped and the boat just floated away from me!

Anyway - I have got the first one out of the way - off to Kinsale tomorrow and the across Biscay on Saturday or Sunday... I am VERY nervous!

Thanks to all you guys who have helped me with tips and advice - really is much appreciated - I hope I manage to get at least to Portugal!!!

ps I have done a web site but there is very little on it as yet - I may set up a blog thing instead... there is a little video here...
NormanKlipspringer 6 years ago
A bit hairy for a 'shakedown' run but well done.
farmer boy 6 years ago
Thanks Norman... just sat in the Marina in Kinsale (Ireland) after an eventful (read "frightening") crossing from Holyhead... no sleep for 48 hours so I am going to bed to try and recover.... Biscay next - oh gloom!
Raydock 6 years ago
John, it's hard to believe you have really started on your way already.
May Biscay be kind and the wind as you wish.
The best of luck; I look forward to reading the blog!
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