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G4NLA1 8:56am, 20 August 2011
Hi all,

Sorry I have not been in touch for a long time, but although I thought I had gone into semi-retirement I have since discovered that I have not. Oh well, it pays the marina fees..

Anyway, I have entered LP for this years Holms race - and will try to come third from last by way of an improvement.

LP is coming out for a sling wash this Wednesday which might get her to go a bit faster.

Hope to see some of the other Bristol Channel Achilles out there .. albeit from behind !

Cheers

Gee
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Gee
I got my entry off yesterday, and returned the cup to be presented to this year's winner. I'm sorting out a crew, and repairing my spinnaker, which tore when racing on Sunday. I think the material is reaching the end of it's life, so I may have to invest in a new one. Does anyone have one in good condition they'd like to sell?????????
Now just hoping for good weather. It gusted the top end of a 6 on Sunday, and Snifter won the cruiser class out of 7 boats, so getting into form. Unfortunately almost any result this year will be worse than last!
Regards
Rob
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Will measure one of my many spinnakers and get back to you.
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Thanks, Neil - much appreciated. I have contacted Crusader, who are quoting £436 and 2 to 3 weeks for a new one!! A lot to spend!!
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Have 2 on Emily and 3 with Paladin, think that one should fit.
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Neil
Have you had a chance to look at the spinnakers? Cheeky, I know, but red, white, or red and white would be preferred colours, but condition and cost are the main factors.
Sorry to see Emily is up for sail!
Regards
Rob
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Rob

Will measure tomorrow, I have a large spinnaker that came off my Hurley 22. It is in excellent condition but will measure to see how it compares as the hurley mast was longer, think it is also black and something (cream or yellow) from memory. Just back from a fantastic weekend sail in Solway, had to get back for the tide and as it was blowing a bit, quite a bit, poled out goosewing rather than spinnaker, 11.4 knts seen twice, covered 21nm in 3 hours, what fantastic boats, maybe I will sail the Hustler before selling the A24!
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Hi Neil
Let me know if you have a 2nd Spinnaker for sale. I've had an advert on Achilles wanted site for a year with no replies.
Didn't think 21nm in 3 hours was possible in an A24. Must have been exciting
rothwell_neil Posted 7 years ago. Edited by rothwell_neil (member) 7 years ago
Was a lift from the tide as well but was a blast, just remeasured 19.88nm from mouth of the bay at 7:45 and entered Maryport at 10:45 goose winged straight downwind, surfing down some pretty steep seas and touched 11.4 a few times with plenty of 10.5s as well, held one wave for what seemed a long long time. Rolled the genny just outside the harbour and as it was so lumpy sailed into Maryport with the main up and engine on as precaution, one of the guys on the pier later told us that it had looked fantastic surfing into the inner harbour, no camera mind you. Managed the whole way with no gybes. St Bees recorded 24knots solid with gusts to 36knots.
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Cool!
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Posted photos with dimensions, if it fits would be big!
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Neil
Thanks for doing all that - much appreciated. However, I've decided to buy a new one, as I know that if I race with a bigger one and do well I'll get protested. Snifter is currently the boat to beat in the Holms Race!
Pjb - are you still interested? From my experience the Achilles 24 should be able to take a bigger luffed spinnaker than the standard in light to medium winds. The standard one looks huge laid out on the ground, but tiny when hoisted. Bigger one would be brilliant in light winds.
Thanks again.
Rob
rothwell_neil 7 years ago
Just taken the sails off the Hustler, 3 spinnakers so far, hope one is a cruising chute. PJB, if you fancy trying the spinnaker will not be after much as out of room in the sail loft!
pjbharrison 7 years ago
Hi Neil
I'll send you a flickrmail
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Gee
Have you worked out your start time yet?
Regards
Rob
G4NLA1 7 years ago
Hi Rob,

Sort of.. about 13:30 It looks as though I am doing the race single handed because my crew has had to drop out for family reasons. I will see what the weather is doing before I commit.

Cheers
Gee
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Aaah! You're going for a win! 1330 sounds good according to my calcs, although I may go later depending on the wind. Sorry to hear you have no crew - take it easy if you go! Hope to see you out there.
regards
Rob
sarabandy 7 years ago
"Sarabande" was entered but I had to pull out due to strained ligament in my shoulder,hopefully will recover for the Regatta at Newport this coming weekend! Anyone planning to go?

September 24, 2011 ... 09:00
Regatta
This years regatta is coming up soon:
Sat 24th and Sun 25th September 2011.
There will be racing both days. Brunch and BBQ Sat evening.
Music Duo called Dual Control.
It would be brilliant if we could make this a well attended event. Come down and stay the weekend.

Andrew Crichton
NUSC 01633 718744
Snoopy463 7 years ago
Hope we get some good weather for it this year, plus i'm planning to get out on Snoopy to get a lsat bit of sailing in before the end of the season. Would be good to see a few achilles coming down to have some fun.
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Very hard race!! Wind was strong and big waves, particularly between the Holms, and some very heavy rain squalls. I decided to leave at 13.45, which was 15 minutes too late, as it turned out. We stormed down to Flatholm by 16.15, but the wind went light just as the tide turned, and we took ages to get round. Eventually it kicked in again and we scraped round having wasted about an hour. Saw A24 Royce at at this stage, but not sure if she made it.
The wind came back as we ferry glided under full sail to Steepholm, and bigger waves than we had off the Needles in June in the RTIOW.
Then a close reach back up channel before hoisting the new spinnaker for the last 5 miles, with the wind moving round into the west to make it a reach rather than a run. Hit 12.7 kts SOG at one time, and regularly 10 to 11, which even allowing for tide felt very fast! The spinny was beautiful, and my temporary barber haulers kept it well under control.
As we approached the finish it was nearly dark, and we overtook the Matthew a mile or so from Portishead. We sailed home in pitch darkness as the wind died away, arriving on the mooring about 21.30.
Snifter took in a lot of water during the race, with waves breaking over the deck for much of the first 3 hours, but she sailed like a dream, and I understand we provisionally finished 9th. Two other Thornbury boats (an Impala and a Sun 2500) were provisionally 1st and 2nd. They arrived at Flatholm at about the same time as us, but with an extra knot or two of speed sneaked round much faster. It's what I love about the race - a great sail around 2 islands, and some judgment and a bit of luck. Get it all right and you do well. 15 minutes at the start cost us the race, but there's always next year!!
Not sure about next w/e Snoopy - may be difficult, but I'll see.
Did you get out, Gee? Probably wise if you decided to stay in port given the conditions!
G4NLA1 7 years ago
Hi Rob,

I looked at the conditions, and although bitterly disappointed, I decided that it was not worth the risk to attempt single handed. I decided to watch the start from 'The Royal' - by way of compensation. I saw Royce start and was wondering where the hell Snifter had got to. Anyway, I heard you call into race control (I had my hand-held with me ) and abandoned ordering a pint to see if I could get some photos. I did, but they are pretty obscure. I thought you might have left it a little late....

(Don't panic - I did order another pint).

As you say, there is always next year !! But I must get a more reliable crew group.

I will try to get Little Plum out to Newport deep next weekend just to watch the fun.. as ever it depends on work.

So do you skipper Snifter on a Six Sigma basis ? :)..........

Cheers

Gee
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Gee
Glad to hear you saw us off, and then wisely wrapped yourself round a pint - very good option in the conditions!
It's easy to be wise after the event, but last year we left at 1335, and the tide was half an hour earlier, so 1345 should have been quite conservative.
Anyway, the results will go into my databank collected over the last 5 years, and I'll see if I can work out the variation, and finally get this process under control!
By the way, TSC are planning a weekend in Lydney on 1st/2nd October. Do you fancy coming up? There are 6 or so cruisers lined up so far. Perhaps you could come up the day before to Oldbury.
Regards
Rob
G4NLA1 7 years ago
Hi Rob
ROFL.. really.. ( I am in hysterics) I am more a Deeming chap.. If we could get the six sigma of the tidal curve correct in the Bristol Channel we would all be laughing !.

I think the 1st/2nd October is a great. I will check my diary, and inevitably the tide times to see if I can get LP up to Oldbury on the Friday.. and then potter over to Lydney in company.. then wait for high tide and the ebb back down to Portishead on the Sunday. I don't think I will need a pilot this time. ( Famous last words ).

I will email my new mobile number to you. It id compulsory that I lose my mobile at least once year.

Cheers

Gee
Amrum 9171Y 7 years ago
Hi Gee, Sorry you couldn't make it in the end. We took 8 cruisers and 5 dinghies up to Lydney, and sailed all the way. You must come up sometime - the entrance is amazing, and how they used to sail Severn trows (with no engines!) into the dock is beyond me. I arrived at HW, and there was still over 4 kts of tide sweeping past the entrance. You basically aim for the north wall, and a back eddy bounces you round and in through the gate! Easy with an outboard, but a challenge under sail!
When the tide went out we played cricket in the middle of the river on the sands. A former commodore of Lydney YC joined us - in 40 years he'd never walked out there! I took a few pics of the scene at low water - it is a beautiful place, and very special.
You'd have had to motor a lot of the way back - I sailed about half of the trip back, but there was little wind (but it didn't matter in the sun!).
Let me know when you're ready foranother trip 'north'!
Rob
G4NLA1 7 years ago
Hi Rob, There was not a breath of wind most of the weekend down at my end ( Portishead ). Having had a look at the chart, I had a feeling that I might not make it to Lydney for high tide, and didn't fancy turning around and chugging all the way back on the outboard. Handy thing though it is, it is noisy !. I enjoyed the photos of Lydney, and will make a more concerted effort to get there when there is a bit of a breeze.

I did get out for a bit of a drift around on Saturday, and ended up pottering around Denny Island just by way of something to do. It was a bit of a plod back against the tide - and VERY hot.

I will get in touch when I have got a few dates for a trip 'up north'.

Cheers

Gee
MoueteSolitaire 7 years ago
We went out in Dave's Sadler 29 'ZiggyZoo!'
Had to retire as one of the crew developed Seasickness so didn't get around flatholm!
But it was very lumpy, especially out towards the NW Elbow!
Roll on next year in the A24!
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