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Keel joint

phayes2011 11:24pm, 11 February 2011
Hi All,

I am new to this group and don't have an Achilles yet but am searching. I have seen one in waht appears to be in very good condition. I am concerned however about the keel joint. I dont have my own images so please see page 3 of this link towards the bottom of the page www.yachtworld.com/sailni/sailni_2.html . The keel joint has a very noticable crack the full lenght of the joint on both sides with what looks llike spalling at the leading edge. The owner believes that it is not a problem and the crack is due to stiff rather than a flexible filler being used here but I am not so sure. The major concern is obviously the keel being critical to the seaworthyness of the boat. The undersides are painted a terracotta colour so cannot detect any obvious rust so dont know whether the joint is corroded. I have yet to lift the boards inside to check from rust on the top of the bolts. Having not seen an Achilles out of the water before I would appreciate your views

Thanks
Pat
busy home [deleted] 8 years ago
Seems a very tidy boat.. Most Achilles have a weep at the keel joint,,
Do not be over concerned ... non have ever fallen off!
Self tailers .roller reefing nice Merc ,, trailer ,, a bit to expensive still..
I have owned three.. The keel bolts look horrible fron inside ..it s just the nuts that go rusty, There are pics of various keels here on the site ..
search carefully (click on icons to access photo streams)
Skykomish E29 8 years ago
I agree with Ron nice looking boat but a bit on the expensive side, top condition Achilles 24 should be around £5000. Saying that you do have a fairly new engine (around £1000 to replace) and a trailer, which if roadworthy would be a good saving.. Worth a look and haggle the price.
Have the sails been replaced recently? standing rigging been replaced? when? a lot of insurance companies insist on this being renewed every ten years, Sails could set you back a fair bit if they need replacing approx £500 for a main.
Good luck with the purchase and as Ron says look through the discussion topics on here and pictures as there is a LOT of advice on the site
phayes2011 8 years ago
Thank for the response guys.

The boat is extremely tidy. She had a major refit in 2008 including new sails, and engine.

Price obviously a good bit above the top end for an Achilles.

I wanted to be sure that there isn't the world of trouble awaiting with the keel before survey and haggling.
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NormanKlipspringer 8 years ago
I agree with Ron and Malcolm. Most points ahve been covered before in previous discussions. Use the Flcikr index on the main Achilles site to find your way around. www.achillesyachts.co.uk/page3.html
Good luck
phayes2011 8 years ago
Thank Norman,

I will go through this info again. I have been through the site and read a good share of the info available already and seeen some of the potential problems. The basic question I is whether the crack seen in the photos is unusual or fairly typical. It is for my own piece of mind really. The boat will be surveyed irrespective but I am trying to get an idea where the holes that require cash are hiding.
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NormanKlipspringer 8 years ago
The crack is not unusual. Most Achilles 24 have a crack along the joint to some degree. As Ron says above we have no record of problems. Some owners have taken their keels off and found the keel bolts to be in good condition. They are well over enginneered. Of course you can use the crack to negotiate the price down. To drop the keel and reseal is not a trivial job.
Skykomish E29 Posted 8 years ago. Edited by Skykomish E29 (member) 8 years ago
Obviously if you consider the New Engine, AND new sails if the boat is otherwise perfect it isn't that expensive as you could buy a cheaper model and still need to invest £1000 on sails.
Like most of us you always end up spending more than the boat is actually worth.

I can guarantee that you will find the bolts rusty in the cabin, they always are as mild steel was used. This is not a major problem and if you really are concerned when you buy her the nuts are easily replaced with 1" Whitworth. Despite what any surveyor may say resist the temptation to swap them for stainless, for reasons discussed elsewhere on here. I think a couple of months ago with Mr Watts who has had a recent survey conducted on Aeolus.
songeur2010 8 years ago
Removing the keel definitely is not trivial as I have preformed the task recently. You can view my photo stream to see how it was done.
For me it came down to three basic steps.
1. remove the bolts, had to weld the nuts on and a very big 3/4" drive socket wrench.
2. Make a support beam to enable the boat to be lifted off the keel, used this again to clean the underside of the keel.
3. Separate the keel from the hull. It may just come away or you may spend a bit of time cutting it free. I had to use a saber saw and then repair the hull.
There is now a certain satisfaction that it will not need attention for another 30 years.
Good luck, the boat looks tidy otherwise.
phayes2011 8 years ago
Thanks for the info guys. Having seen Songeur2010 pics of the scale of the task to remove the keel I am not keen on purchasing a boat that needs this to be done immediately. I will keep you update on progress as I am sure I will be asking for lots of advice if I manage to purchase the boat.
busy home [deleted] 8 years ago
Dont forget we have 140 odd members on here ,,,,, two keel jobs ??
Andrew Curry 8 years ago
If you want to see i few other Achilles out of the water there are currently five out of the water in Groomsport,which is just round the corner from were the boat you are looking at is stored.
phayes2011 8 years ago
Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the info. I will definately stop in when next up to see the boat. I have droped you a flickr mail regarding the boat I hope you don't mind.

Pat
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