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Hmm, hadn't thought of how to use the pool.
First thought: By enabling pool moderation, people could submit items for publication. The description under the photo would become the source for the news text.
Main drawback is that it causes need to moderate the queue... and my experience with moderation queues is that people happily submit lots of irrelevant stuff, perhaps without even noticing to which group it is being submitted...
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I'd have similar concerns. Though the "reader submitted photo-story" concept of it would be fun, but time consuming.
Hypothetical: If I was to code up a RSS "photo wire" using the API i'd probably want to go with a machine tag approach, but restrict hits to only those tags which were added by admins/moderators of the flickrnews group.
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clickykbd edited this topic 54 months ago.
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I like the idea of using the pool for reader-submitted stories.
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I like the pool for reader submissions, too. Maybe try it and lock later if it becomes a pain?
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An idea to try for sure. I would think we'd wait till the rest is ironed out and it gets announced a few places. If we really move forward with it.
Nice thing is the tag method for a "wire" and the pool as member submissions can happily co-exist.
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So here's a thought: If news items are submitted by readers and "approved" into the pool as method of publication, this means people need to subscribe to two separate RSS feeds, which doesn't sound to me like a good idea.
How about this:
1) Reader submits a photo to the queue.
2) A moderator looks at the queue, immediately sees both the image and its description. If no description, or totally irrelevant material, the mod rejects the submission.
3) If the submission looks viable but the mod doesn't want to publish it as a news item, the mod simply leaves it in the queue.
4) If the mod wants to publish it, s/he approves the photo to the pool as a staging place. This signals to other mods that someone is working on it. The mod then prepares a news item based on the image and its description, posts the news item (crediting the submitter), and removes the photo from the pool.
5) If the queue grows long with unused items, old items get purged due to lack of interest.
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Personally, I think we might have enough to chew on for a while without reader submitted photo-stories.
But I think you might have a workable model for when we "do" want to try it. I would also add a limiting requirement that all photo-story submissions must be licensed with an applicable CC license (we could list the relevant ones).
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That is a very nifty concept. On GG's list (3), we can bypass that by letting them know that any "story" submitted to the pool presupposes a permission to be published.
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Also, the photo need not be relevant as well. It can be a generic photo, but it is the story attached that you might be after.
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The need for generic photo-less story submissions is there.
But... placeholders could get messy, cause who wants to have those sitting in their stream, private placeholders would make sense but we could not even read the description/story because it has not yet been accepted to the pool unless we were all friends & family.
Might guest passes be a hack? God that sounds awful.
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Indeed, no problem using a placeholder image.
Private would work. As soon as a private photo is submitted to a group's queue, its full description is visible to the mods.
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Re: Private. I thought this was not true currently. Because I know i've tried to go to photo-pages for such images and not had access before (a bug for sure). Did it get fixed? Maybe all the meta-data is there and I was just trying to view the larger image. (don't have a pending photo with which to test currently).
You get access once they are IN the pool... but not before I think. But if full description is displayed in the cue then not a problem.
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clickykbd edited this topic 54 months ago.
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You don't need to go to the photo page. The queue page shows the full description.
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GustavoG edited this topic 54 months ago.
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I hadn't been aware of that. My moderated pools usually don't have much in the way of description content.
Do we know for sure that it doesn't truncate long descriptions? I hope we can discourage people from writing essays either way.
If so. Definitely placeholders, private or otherwise, would work. We could even have a Flickr-News one that people grab off the group description. Something that iconifies the concept in case they leave them lingering in their photo streams.
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Long descriptions appear to be shown in their entirety. I've scrolled many a long one...
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Ok, I edited the Flickr-News group description to suggest three alternative methods for a reader to submit a news item, and modified the group settings to enable submissions into a queue.
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