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16 instead of 12 - how much film?
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okay, crazy thread title, but I don't know what else to call it!
I put my first roll through my holga and had the frame switch on 16 instead of 12. I followed the numbers and still got 12 shots on there, but of course they are overlapped and my lab cut through some frames.
Now, I really like the effect of overlapping frames (3 of them are in my stream at present) and want to recreate this happy accident again. But, I want to make sure I get the most out of my film, to jam on as many shots as possible. At what point can I start shooting, and how far past the number 12 on the backing paper can I go (bearing in mind I'll have the switch set to 16)?
I'm going to make sure my lab doesn't cut them this time so I can decide where I want the breaks to go.
Does this all make sense? Should I just load the film and start shooting - ignoring the paper numbers and just winding on for a certain number of clicks per turn? What would the optimum number of clicks be to get a slight amount of overlap each frame, and how many frames of 6x6 could I fit on there like that?
Posted at 8:55AM, 25 May 2007 PDT
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There's actually three sets of numbers on 120 film, 1..12 for 6x6 (what you see when you have the arrow pointing at the 12 on the Holga), 1..16 for 6x4.5 (arrow at the 16), and 1..9 for 6x9 (that you don't ever see on the Holga).
What I wonder is how you decided you'd finished the roll - with the arrow at 16, you should have seen numbers up to, er, 16. Did you get to 12 and just wind the rest on, thinking you were done? Otherwise I can't figure out how you'd get a whole roll of overlapping photos, but still only have taken 12.
What would the optimum number of clicks be to get a slight amount of overlap each frame, and how many frames of 6x6 could I fit on there like that?
The 'optimum' overlap seems like a pretty subjective thing. You could maybe try leaving the arrow at 16, which would get you 16 exposures. Or you could try something like the following Holga Panorama technique (which is really fun to do: www.toycamera.com/tech/panorama.html
If those methods didn't suit me, I think what I'd do is decide how much overlap I wanted, then sacrifice a roll of film, and wind through with the back off, measuring the frames (with maybe a little bit of string?) and counting the clicks that way (since they'll change a bit from when the spool is empty to when it's fulll).
Originally posted 61 months ago.
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matt edited this topic 61 months ago.
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Hmm, actually I think I must have gotten to 12 and just carried on winding, because I know I didn't take 16. But then I don't remember seeing any more numbers as I was winding - maybe I wasn't looking (it was a little while ago so I don't really remember).
I think I'll just have to experiment and see where it takes me. I really love the effect, so I think it's worth trying to work out a bit more predictability to it.
Posted 61 months ago.
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this is one of them i assume? if so, change nothing, cos its awesome.
but it really does look like you have the 6x6 mask in and were shooting with the arrow on the back window in the higher position (16)
but you should have seen the frame numbers correctly, unless you reached 12 and then just wound on as matt suggested.
The results are great however, whatever you did, your eye for composition shines through.
Posted 61 months ago.
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Thank you ziz :) I think I must have just wound on as soon as I hit 12 without thinking to look for any more numbers. Either way, I'm about to load her up again and I'm going to leave it on 16 again, this time equipped with the knowledge of what I'm doing. Hopefully it should be interesting :)
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so if you do 16 you get the over lapping affect? all the time? every picture?
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Yup.
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I wanted to get frame borders for some panoramas, so I got some backing paper and figured out the following. It will give you four overlapped composites, made up of 4/3/3/4 frames, respectively (I wanted them mostly even - a little bit of brain work and you could probably figure out a number of other combinations).
It relies on the "frame is coming up" indicators, and I've only ever tried it with Kodak film. If the length of the indicator isn't close for other brands, it may not work (ask for your backing paper back from the lab, and you could check for yourself, or just try it and see).
Shoot the first four frames as normal.
After frame four, skip number 5, but don't go all the way to 6: stop at the first indicator that 6 is coming up (e.g., the 'K' of 'KODAK Film'). Shoot three frames like that (stopping at the first indicator each time). You will pass numbers 6 and 7 and take the last shot just before number 8.
Now advance to number 9. Shoot 9, 10, 11 as normal. After 11, advance past 12 to the first indicator before 13.
Now shoot at the indicator for the next four shots. You will pass numbers 13, 14, 15 and take the last shot just before 16. You can most likely fit in another frame after that, but you'll have to wind to just after 16, and there's no markers at all, so it's a bit of guess-work.
Originally posted 61 months ago.
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matt edited this topic 61 months ago.
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matt great idea man! I like the overlapping effect, but I also like being able to scan it!
Posted 61 months ago.
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I'm just pleased I came up with it before it went up on your site. Perhaps I'll start a competing one...
(just joking - if you like it, feel free to republish/rewrite/expand it. If you want I can try to get some photos of the idea, but it'll have to wait until my digital equipment is on the right side of the Atlantic)
Posted 61 months ago.
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I've added it to the site. I might try the technique at the Sheffield Flickr Meet on Saturday.
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If I put 120 film in with 6x6 mask do I put the arrow on 12? Like the OP said, is there a set number of clicks/turns that correspond to one frame so that they will not overlap?
Posted 58 months ago.
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so, i've searched through a bunch of threads and have seen this question asked a few times but not answered properly, so here goes again... ;)
ok, i've heard the advice about taping up the red window, and as i'm in the tropics i'll make sure i use gaffa tape and not electrical tape (yes, leccy tape goes gooey, i can confirm it! oh, and is there nothing gaffa tape cannot do?). but anyway, i digress....
i also read the advice about taping up both sides of the red window, inside and out. but my question is then, how do you know when the next frame has been wound on sufficiently when you can't see the numbers? i assume it comes down to click counting, but how many clicks? help!?
Posted 57 months ago.
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You only need to tape both sides when shooting 35mm. When shooting 35mm you know how much to advance by reading the 35mm Advance Guide or printing the pdf from my site.
Posted 57 months ago.
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cool thanks sf. dig your site too btw, nice one.
Posted 57 months ago.
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