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Moonbase II (aka Moonbase 2.0)
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After a discussion with Fradel, early yesterday morning, in the Brickworld '09 Sci-Fi Planning group on Flickr, I have come up with brand spanking new ideas for Moonbase which will also affect Post Apocaspace.
Moonbase 2.0 is a modified set of rules to the usual rules shown here in Palmer's moonbase set. You may now use 32x32 stud (10"x10") baseplates for your modules. This will be handy for people who don't have a collection of bricks and other basic elements, that are sizable enough to build a module on the 48x48 stud (15"x15") baseplates. Connecting 10x10 baseplate modules to 15x15 baseplate modules, may be done by using removable corridors and/or junction hubs.
The one rule change is that you may now use the 4 stud wide band around the edge of the 15x15 or 10x10 baseplates to build landscaping, provided that it is ONLY with old light gray/dark gray and new light bley/dark bley plates, slopes and bricks. This is to give the modules more of a lunar look, rather then leaving the band empty with nothing on it.
Combining modules from Jon Palmer's original (1.0) standards and modules from my new (2.0) standards is not recommended, but I have made it possible, for purposes of backwards compatibility. 2.0 modules should be placed with other 2.0 modules most of the time. I don't know whether this new standard can be adopted quickly enough before Brickworld '09, but I'd love to see it happen. The space saved by doing the new modules on 10x10 baseplates, should allow for more modules in the same space and also push creativity among people with small and large collections alike.
Please let me know what you think.
Addendum: Tony Hafner and also Shadow Viking have proposed some sort of adapter system in order to fit Moonbase and Moonbase II modules together. While I did originally say that combining the two different module types is allowed, I also said it wasn't highly recommended. For those wishing to actually build adapters, you are free to knock yourselves out and they will be included in the rules if they ever materialize. However I myself will not be building any such component, because I don't really have the parts at the moment and I don't think I fully grasp the whole proposal or at least how to execute it.
Update 3/14/10: Moonbase 2 has now been posted in the architecture section on Linus Bohman's Building School site. Also I'm removing the limitation on using old and/or new grays as the terrain color around the modules, as this year MPSS is making a quiet preview debut at Brickworld 2010, as terrain extensions on my Blacktron Moonbase 2 layout.
Update 2/2/11: Please see this thread for my ideas on continuing the scope of Moonbase 2.
Originally posted at 9:08PM, 15 July 2008 PDT
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Captain Redstorm edited this topic 16 months ago.
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Yesss! Thank you so much! Now I can build a module without a massive expenditure of parts that I don't even own in the first place. I suggest you do your best to get the word out, post it everywhere you can. I hope the new standard succeeds in revitalizing Moonbase.
I also would like to see some explanatory (CAD?) pictures, to make sure what's going on is what I think is going on.
Originally posted 47 months ago.
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нawк edited this topic 47 months ago.
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Thanks, Hawk. Glad someone finally said something on this. :) I'm gonna build a sample module for everyone's benefit. I'm still nervous about posting this other places, as I think many people aren't that interested in moonbase. I'll give it a try though.
Posted 47 months ago.
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Great! I, personally, love Moonbase, so good luck!
Posted 47 months ago.
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Thanks, Hawk. I love it too. :)
Posted 47 months ago.
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Again, this idea continues to be brilliant, even though nobody seems interested. We need more buzz, and/or people actually using it...
Posted 44 months ago.
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How do you suggest we spread the word about this and MPSS?
Posted 44 months ago.
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That's your problem. ;D
All I'd suggest is actually use it, that way the word gets out.
Posted 44 months ago.
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Indeed.
Posted 44 months ago.
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Moonbase II module makes Lego article on Now Public. That's one way to get the word out. Maybe.
Posted 43 months ago.
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So the heights are the same as regular Moonbase, and the connectors are centered on a 32x32 rather than on a 48x48?
I can certainly work with that. If anyone is likely to bring these to BrickCon next year, I should have no trouble building a couple of "adapter" modules that have connections for both standards. Heck, I'm pretty sure it would take only a couple of minutes to convert some of my existing modules to this. Though it would really quickly rip through my stock of gray plates to cover up the non-gray baseplates.
I don't actually get why this is necessary, though. Is the cost of 8 studs more of hallway per connector killing you guys? Is it the space that the baseplates take up? Or is it the fact that you don't like the big open spaces between modules? In the long run, it doesn't matter- if more folks are going to build with it, I'd be happy to do what I can to get them integrated.
Posted 42 months ago.
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"So the heights are the same as regular Moonbase, and the connectors are centered on a 32x32 rather than on a 48x48?"
Correct. I suppose you could off-center corridor connections in MBII as well, but obviously with the smaller baseplate size, the space is much more limited.
"I can certainly work with that. If anyone is likely to bring these to BrickCon next year, I should have no trouble building a couple of "adapter" modules that have connections for both standards. Heck, I'm pretty sure it would take only a couple of minutes to convert some of my existing modules to this. Though it would really quickly rip through my stock of gray plates to cover up the non-gray baseplates."
For my response to this, see the MPSS topic, as I didn't understand your adapter bit here, until I read your comment in other said topic.
The terrain in the no-build zone isn't required. I just added that in, because I think it's a nice extra point of interest/detail. You're certainly welcome to use bricks as well as plates. I think plates offer greater variation though.
"I don't actually get why this is necessary, though. Is the cost of 8 studs more of hallway per connector killing you guys? Is it the space that the baseplates take up? Or is it the fact that you don't like the big open spaces between modules? In the long run, it doesn't matter- if more folks are going to build with it, I'd be happy to do what I can to get them integrated."
No, not at all. I simply made MBII because I do not have anywhere near the size collection of most AFOLs and also TFOLs have a better chance to build modules as well. The other reason is that Brickworld is much different then the big cons most of you guys go to on the east and west coasts. Space is way under-represented, because in the midwest, it's sadly more about trains. Anything you could do to get them integrated would be awesome. I really just want to raise awareness that MBII is on the table. Whether people decide to build for it is obviously up to them. Personally I think it's pretty cool, then again I am totally biased. ;-)
The first year of BW (2007) space was given a lot of tables and nobody hardly brought any modules or even ships. If it hadn't been for Brian Darrow's magnificent Blacktron Intelligence Agency, I think you probably wouldn't have even known space was there at all.
Due to that, our alloted space this year was much, much smaller. Having four people sit behind the tables was pretty cramped. Hopefully in 2009 they give us more tables for space/AMCP, since we actually filled all of them this year. Of course seven of the modules were from TwinLUG, which spelled out "TWINLUG." With train LUGs taking up so much room (we actually got a second smaller hall in addition to the main one this year), I figure since MBII is smaller, that if people were so inclined, we could actually have more modules on our meager set of tables. Again, I realize that Chicago is just too far away for most of the big name AFOLs and Brickworld is still a very young con compared to the other ones.
So there's my whole list of reasons/rant. The bottom line is I love moonbase, hopefully me creating this whole second phase if you will, is proof of that. I just don't want it to die in America. Especially if the Europeans are still going strong with it.
Originally posted 42 months ago.
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Captain Redstorm edited this topic 39 months ago.
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I just stumbled upon this and admit I'm interested. I'm currently working on what is soon to be a failed first foray into moonbase (it's a fail because my noobishness wants to fill the whole 48x48 baseplate). I'll break it down soon, keeping what bits I like and incorporate them into an MBII trial and error session. I'm not a great builder, but I I love the moonbase concept(s). Keep up the good fight!
Posted 42 months ago.
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Thanks, Deathdog. Hope your MBII module turns out better. :)
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Haven't forgotten about this. Just found out I should be able to go to Brickworld and therefore need to get it in gear if I'm going to contribute a module. I'll start organizing myself after Spring Break and once I build up a Glomshire Knights buffer again.
Posted 39 months ago.
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^ Great to hear, Dennis. Can't wait to see what kind of module you build! :) I'll be ordering parts to finish my BTI module and the crapload of parts for my BTII and BTIII modules, next month. Mmm... Basic bricks. Ha.
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Great to read this. We also had plans with the moonbase standard. In fact ... we still use it. We made some changes aswell, but we call it Moonbase + ( Pronounced as moonbase extended ).
You can see it on our site www.dutchmoonbase.com
greetings from the Netherlands.
Sky4walker
Posted 21 months ago.
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Awesome stuff, Sky. You guys have made some really fantastic modules. Sadly Moonbase 2 is still not that cheap, depending on what you want to do and I don't think it's ever really gonna catch on here in the states (where I live). I'm not the kind of person who wants to go spam this info all over the place, as most people seem turned off by that kind of behavior. Even if I did do it that way, most spacers regard Moonbase as boring or say what a tragedy it was that it died out, but still uninterested in doing any modules of their own. So until something changes here in the US (doubtful), I'm doing my own MB2 layout.
Cheers,
Redstorm.
Posted 21 months ago.
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@skywalker: What are the changes in your Moonbase + standard? I could not find anything on your website...
Posted 20 months ago.
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