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Universal settings for IR-work with G9

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cablefreak  Pro User  says:

Greetings all,

I have experimented a little with "universal settings" for infrared work lately with my new G9 toy, despite frosty weather and frozen fingertips. ;-)

My goal was to find a hyperfocal setting of the G9 lens that enables me to just hook up the camera with attached Hoya R72 (or equiv) filter on the good tripod, switch to "IR-mode" on the camera (C1 or C2 on the dial) and simply adjust shutter speed to match the current lighting conditions, keeping an eye at the histogram. Then fire away with these settings. Just like that. No fiddling.

When I experimented with the hyperfocal issue the other day, I found that the G9 lens is sharp enough at f/2.8, and by setting manual focus very close up (approx 60cm) will give sharp results from a few meters to infinity. Yes, you have to focus much closer than with visible light to get focused much further away.

I took some screenshots off the G9 screen to guide you through my thoughts and ideas. First off, I use the metric system in my G9 and in this review. I yet have to try this in feet/inches to know how to translate.

This is my workflow, not sure if it works for you, but here it is. :-)
Note the blue-ish cast on my LCD-screen... eek!




1. Set manual mode on the dial, then change the following settings in the main menu (disregard the others) MF-point zoom ON, Safety MF OFF, AF Assist Beam OFF, Review Info Detailed, Record RAW+JPEG ON, IS Mode OFF.




2. Set B/W mode in the Func.set menu (i find that this helps in terms of evaluating exposure on the screen)

3. Set manual focus by pressing MF and turn the dial until the focus scale looks exactly as in the picture below (please note that I'm only referring to the metric system, sorry about that).




4. Press the +/- button to exit manual focus and return to exposure settings. Set the shutter speed to something like 3"2 for a good start. Aperture should be set to f/2.8 and use full wide angle of the lens (equiv 35mm) for this whole tutorial to work!

5. Now you are ready to save these settings into the custom C1 or C2 mode on the dial by entering main menu and the last item "Save settings".

A good idea is to set the "Display Off" timer in the "Power Saving" menu to 3min (maximum setting) because manual focus settings are lost after a resume state after a display off, so you want to keep it up and running as long as possible to accomodate some fiddling between shots. It would make you really confused if the focus setting all of a sudden changed. I found out the hard way. ;-)

By setting the display timer, the camera instead waits 3 minutes after no activity and shuts off completely. The next time you switch the camera back ON, it will reload the manual focus setting and all the other settings stored in C1/C2.

The below picture is pretty much what the screen would look like when shooting with the settings in this tutorial. I try to shoot infrared at ISO80 whenever possible!




Adjust the exposure only by setting the shutter speed (using evaluative metering to help nailing it) something close to 0EV should do, I often have to set a +1EV exposure when shooting IR with the G9.

Take a close look at the histogram in the detailed view after each shot , watch out for clipping highlights, I recommend staying a little low on the histogram to avoid clipping red channel (because you won't notice by looking at the histogram). The picture below was shot with no clipping reds in the post processing.




Finally, a quick focus check with the zoom rocker at the picture review screen to reveal any soft focus or motion blur.




Final result after some post processing in CS3:

www.flickr.com/photos/cablefreak/2226399805/


That's it for now. Happy IR-shooting! I will get back with a tutorial on how I prefer to process the G9 RAW infrared images in Photoshop CS3.

Cheerio!
Originally posted at 1:22PM, 3 February 2008 PDT (permalink)
cablefreak edited this topic 52 months ago.

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Nickleen is a group administrator Nickleen  Pro User  says:

What a great guide. Thank you for taking the time to post this.
Posted 53 months ago. (permalink)

northernrog [deleted] says:

Fab! and thank you. My G9 arrived today and I will follow your instructions on IR setup tomorrow. Fingers crossed!
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

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cablefreak  Pro User  says:

That's great! Thanks :) I edited the tutorial a wee bit since I figured out exactly how to avoid the loss of manual focus settings caused by display off/resume. I also did something clumsy with the pictures so they were unavailable for some time. New to this ;-)
Cheerios.
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

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Delos Johnson - Lost-In-Maylene  Pro User  says:

Let me add my thanks for this tutorial. I've been shooting IR with a D70 and thought the G9 would be a similar or easier experience. Boy was I wrong. My first outing was a disaster. I could not believe how bad the IR was. You have given me hope and I will take your advice the next time I *go dark* with the camera.
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

gioarmani7428 [deleted] says:

Excellent tutorial!
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

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cablefreak  Pro User  says:

@DelosJ Well I'm glad to hear that I could provide some hope and light in the dark! ;-) Good luck with your IR-shooting!!
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

northernrog [deleted] says:

Just to let you all know that the IR set-up procedures from Cablefreak for the G9 are spot on. Only took a few minutes to record the settings and the outcomes are very good. Looking forward to some decent sunny opportunities!
Posted 52 months ago. (permalink)

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17% Grey  Pro User  says:

Awaiting my lensmate and R72, they should come in the mail next week. Thanks for the information, and inspiration!
Posted 51 months ago. (permalink)

northernrog [deleted] says:

Just to let you all know that, today, I was taking some IR pics with the settings described in this subject. Thought I would have a go at collecting in colour (still having to try and process them) and then set back to B&W. Made a mistake and unkowingly reset to Sepia (SE). Interesting outcomes. Worth giving it a trial I think. Go on, have a go!
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Emeraldplanet says:

Nice to meet you all here. I am new. I brought the canon G7 last two month and I am interested to infrared photography very much. Here is a good source of information for me where I can start to learn more and more. Thanks for your suggestion. I will try this tutorial and going to post the photo here someday! Cool group. Cheer!!

Regard to all members,

Emerald
Posted 48 months ago. (permalink)

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devoti4sale  Pro User  says:

Thanks for taking the time posting the info, it has been a great help. Cheers
Posted 46 months ago. (permalink)

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yasdur_1972 says:

Hi, I've recently bought a Hoya R72 filter to use with my Canon G9 and so far have only taken a few shots ... I came across your post and it has helped me enormously; many thanks.
Posted 45 months ago. (permalink)

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steveburt1947  Pro User  says:

Very interesting discussion...

Am still real new at this, but I am getting the best detail so far at F8, using the camera's autofocus, anti-shake deployed. Details are nice and sharp, but the somewhat slower shutter often blurs foliage in the wind. The blurred tree leaves look kinda artistic, however.

It also helps to shoot dozens of pix to get a keeper or two.

The biggest improvement for me came from (1) using a good, Monfratto tripod and (2) setting shutter release to timed 2 seconds, so the camera did not budge at exposure. Because it is a digicam, there is no mirror slap to harm details.

At F8 my autofocus shots were sharper than manual focus at <1M. I am still testing this on sunny days here in Michigan in winter. Brrrr.

Infrared is sure seeing things in "a different light." I love the degree of challenge tis type of photography presents.

--Steve Burt
Posted 42 months ago. (permalink)

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Savourylie says:

Thanks so much for the tutorial! Looking forward to seeing your CS3 tutorial!
Posted 42 months ago. (permalink)

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steveburt1947  Pro User  says:

First, I really enjoyed this thread and my compliments to the author and contributors. Here are my additional observations about shooting with the Hoya R72:

I have tried manual focus at <1 foot. Some came out sharp, especially lower F stops. Some did not. I have also tried F8 at autofocus. It takes a second or so for the focus to hit and beep. F8 should give optimum depth of field. These are usually reasonably sharp, but not always . Bright sunlight helps at F8 to get that infrared flavor. Winter in Michigan makes IR much tougher because there are no leaves for spectacular foliage effects. But interesting pictures are still out there if you work harder.

As previously noted, setting the shutter delay to 2 seconds (bottom of mode dial) while using a tripod helped just tremendously to sharpen the pix. I have tried turning off image stabilization and see little if any difference. Will test this further.

Am testing these settings every time out. After manual focus trials I stick my index finger in front of the filter and take another shot. (a Scott Kelby trick). Then I go to autofocus to further test the differencesand go for that epic shot. This makes it easy to compare the two techniques as my blurry finger provides the divider.

Also just keep shooting. Take 20 or more pix at lots of various settings and composures to get one or maybe two "keepers." Then compose and shoot some more. You can later delete all the not so hot shots.

Infrared is much tougher than color digital pictures, but the results are worth all the challenges. I greatly enjoy the excellent photography on this site.
Originally posted 41 months ago. (permalink)
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Jason Dale  Pro User  says:

Thank you for creating this fantastic guide, my infrared photos may never have been created otherwise.
Posted 37 months ago. (permalink)

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Secretgardener! says:

I tried and tried, but couldn´t find a way to set the exposure time on C1 or C2. With the wheel I can only set the white balance.
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Originally posted 33 months ago. (permalink)
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ticketyboo2u  Pro User  says:

above the wheel...there are two buttons ..press the right one [with the +/-]
it should flick over to exposure .. [ i think this is right...i`m going from memory ...lol ]
Posted 33 months ago. (permalink)

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Secretgardener! says:

I know the buttons of my cam. ;)
Normally yeah, but on C1 und 2 I can change only the white balance there. I even tried combinations of buttons, but I can´t change the exposure time. I take the Manual setting now.
I made my first attempts today - with a bit playing in photoshop I can see the effect, but it´s miles away from an just good picture. Putting my cam of things is a bit crappy, so I ordered a tripod today. =)
Posted 33 months ago. (permalink)

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ticketyboo2u  Pro User  says:

just had a look at mine [ just to refresh ] on mine you can only change the white balance when you go into the function button [func.set] if you press it again it goes to the normal screen ..then you can toggle between the exposure and aperture settings with the +/- button..hope this helps...
Posted 33 months ago. (permalink)

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MacPetter says:

how do you choose the white balance? cant seem to make it. its winter here in norway and i want to take some shots. buildings trees with snow. but i can seem to do it.
is your g9 converted and you use a filter og do you just use the filter, cause thats what i do. and when i take a shot i get like a pink/redish! intense color. hmm. any ideas??

love the tutor
Posted 28 months ago. (permalink)

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1970firebird  Pro User  says:

if youve lost white balance you are most likely still in B/W change back to custom colour

great settings btw i have set C2 for the same but set for mono so taking shots in either is a dream
Originally posted 27 months ago. (permalink)
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