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**PLEASE READ!! Violating TOS & Community Guidelines...re: Sales & Flickr
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Well you always say "it will never happen to me" but if you aren't 'playing by the rules' it sure will!
I am of course, referencing the latest user hubub about using Flickr in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM as a sales tool.
There have been plenty of heated, panicked & desperate threads and discussions on this issue - I think I can fairly state for us all - "WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR FLICKR ACCOUNT!!"
BTW this ALSO means losing your YAHOO! account!!!
While many folks before me or before today, have had their entire accounts, profile and any trace of them DELETED by FLICKR for violating the TOS in regards to sales; many more users are tyring to take action to educate themselves on those TOS and to rectify their image descriptions, content, comments, inclusion of links to sales sites and extra links or verbage in their profile relating to sales or sales websites.
Here is what is critical to know:
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>>In joining Flickr, you agreed to abide by the Terms of
Service and Community Guidelines. Flickr accounts are
intended for individual use, for our members to share
photos that they've taken, not to sell stuff:
"Don't Use Flickr for Commercial Purposes Flickr is for
personal use only. If you sell products, services or
yourself through your photostream, we will terminate your
account. Any other commercial use of Flickr, Flickr
technologies (including APIs, Flickrmail, etc), or Flickr
accounts must be approved by Flickr."
www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne
Please remove salesy verbiage from underneath your photos
at your earliest convenience so that we don't have to take
further action on your account. <<
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Incredibally lucky for me - and actually generously by Flickr my account was NOT spontaneously deleted for apparant violation - I was warned.
The comment by another user inquiring if my items was for sale was deleted - by someone.
And while i thought I had been extremely aware of this issue and very dilligent in conforming to and abiding by these TOS agreement rules - I have snapped-to (hmm a pun?) and am making even more effort to not violate any more, ever again.
I love Flickr and I understand their TOS. I may not agree with it but then again their favorite color may not be green and we are playing in their house.
PLEASE - PLEASE don't be a 'what if' TAKE ACTION NOW to rectify you possible violations. Some of my suggestions include:
PROFILE: you may ONLY include a sales related link in FLICKR's Company Website field in your profile page.
DO NOT include 'salesy verbage' elsewhere in your profile, set description, picture description or comments.
DO NOT include external sales related website links in your profile (other than the field mentioned above), set description, picture description or comments.
BLOG links - there have been many other discussions of this in the Etsy.love group, on etsy.com itself and in other related group discussions. As I understand it (pls verify) you can include a link to your blog ONLY IF there is not a sales related link on that blog.
TAGS: It has been told by Flickr that it is OK to use ETSY as a tag.
OTHER LINKS - EDUCATIONAL etc.: I am currently awaiting word from the' Flickreenos' (their term) in regards to whether these kind of links in descriptions or comments are allowed. I use them in reference to silversmithign especially and have appreciated it when others have as well.
Don't want to bum anyone's trip - but getting whacked off of Flickr would be way more of a drag. :-)
I want to close by adding that we are all pretty smart, I have often seen things or techniques or images of interest for a variety of reasons and I am able to find the users profile and review their information and link to their other website if provided. Keep your images, ideas and techniques flowing here.
~peace
tuajded (Holly)
Posted at 11:34AM, 19 August 2006 PDT
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I am glad to see someone saying this, it seems there is a lot of selling wordage most pages I see and I am uncomfortable with it because I am following the rules, why shouldn't everyone else have to. After all, I like to sell as much as the next person, but don't want to break the rules and get banned. I hope more people take this seriously.
Posted 70 months ago.
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I have been receiving some requests for clarification - here is what i can offer:
Here is the down & dirty - you CAN have a link to your Etsy site on your profile page IF it is the link in the field COMPANY: provided by Etsy.
You CANNOT have links to any sales-related sites in your photo description or your photo sets description or referenced in tags i.e. "for sale" "buy me" "available" "sale"
you can write descriptions but here is where I am confused as to exactly what they found offensive on my page I am *guessing* triggered their email. they said:
>>Please remove salesy verbiage from underneath your photos
at your earliest convenience so that we don't have to take
further action on your account. <<
I do not have a clear definition of that. did they not like my 'product description' or did they not like that another user posted asking if the item was for sale?
Yikes.
I just wanted to update what i know has been an ongoing and extensively discussed topic - as it is critical and a very fine line for us all!
Posted 70 months ago.
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mousie_earz;
I agree with you. but i get the feeling that flickr is crackin' down...so it may all be moot. I would HATE to lose all my pix here on Flickr!
Posted 70 months ago.
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Thanks for the heads up! I too have noticed that many people have their items for sale and I myself decided that it might not be a good idea. Then I heard about people being "erased". Certainly no one wants that to happen to them because Flickr is the best thing ever!!! As long as your company website is listed, I am certain anyone interested will contact you. Is it also "illegal" to contact people through Flickr mail to ask if certain items are for sale since that is private?
Posted 70 months ago.
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Patchwork Pottery:
that last one is a GOOD question. If the other User who posted in my comment re the availability of the item pictured - would it have 'okay' if they'd asked via email? I have a lingering question about this too. Let us know if you find out.
Here is where I got some of the *confirmed* information other than what I gleaned from my communications with Flickr:
whipup.net/2006/08/13/dont-use-flickr-for-commercial-purp...
ALSO there was a group (briefly) on Flickr called "Shop Goodies" similar to Etsy.com.love and one day a whole bunch of members (well eventually everyone) got dumped from the group and it seemed random - but, ultimately it was in the best interest of everyone and the group admin's intentions were good.
She took A LOT of flack for trying to do the right thing.
www.blog.thesoulofhope.com/
I hope that helps
Posted 70 months ago.
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Since we are talking about web sites, what does everyone else do about the rule saying any pic here cannot appear anywhere else in the internet. There are some provisions to this__linking or something__ but I do not understand what they are really talking about. I just take two photos so I have one here and a seperate yet similar one somewhere else.
Posted 70 months ago.
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does any one else think this is a little ridiculous to pay for it and then have these rules?t just seems weird to me. i guess i dont understand how it effects or hurts flickr if we mention our etsy. i found flickr by looking at someones store on typepad.
Posted 70 months ago.
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it all depends on your creative common license.
None (All rights reserved) keeps your photos from popping up in different websites using flickr API.
If your photo is used without your permission, then they have infringed your copyright.
No, it is normal, the rules help keep the website up. It is first and foremost a photo sharing website and not a shop.
I think it does not hurt to provide a link to your blog or your personal website but "For Sale" or something that tells people to get the product from a shop is prohibited.
From the TOS what I understand are:
- We are not allowed to use Flickr to host our photos, meaning we cannot put our photo here and make it appear on a commercial website. I think it is OK for blog since they even provide a Blog this link.
- Flickr is for PERSONAL USE and not commercial use. I admit I have my crafts photos on flickr, i want to share what I do. I just provided links to my blog for more information. So if someone follow the link to the blog and goes to my shop to buy, I am selling indirectly which is OK.
- We are not allowed to put screenshots, graphic arts, any non-photo. If it is an image not taken by the camera, I don't consider it as a photo so i think its what they mean.
Cheers All!
Posted 70 months ago.
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Mousie_earz:
ah yet another good example of a rule (valid - we all agreed to it whether we read it or not) that is open to different understandings. I was caught pretty offguard by this too and I am still not completely clear on it.
i.e. If i have a photo here and i also have the same photo HOSTED BY MYSELF NOT FLCKR - on my personal website (not my etsy or ebay stores) is that in violation? Beause that starts treading on ownership issues.
FREAKY - but defin. needs a closer look (on my part at least)
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Mushroom & Gadgets:
I like what you have to say...only one thing concerns me - you said:
>>- Flickr is for PERSONAL USE and not commercial use. I admit I have my crafts photos on flickr, i want to share what I do. I just provided links to my blog for more information. So if someone follow the link to the blog and goes to my shop to buy, I am selling indirectly which is OK.<>
**as per what what discussed on this webpage :
whipup.net/2006/08/13/dont-use-flickr-for-commercial-purp...
that may not be the case. While i cannot say with 100% accuracy that this information included on Whip Up is accurate - it does seem credible and to have been acquired directly from Flickr officially.
>>2- [question] You cannot link to your own blog from your photo
description, if the blog has “links to” sales sites on it.
(This is the most confusion for me, since I often see links
back to longer descriptions on blogs).
[answer] If the intent is to sell something, then linking to a blog
isn’t cool. Bottom line, at the present time accounts are
for personal use and not to be used as a vehicle to sell
stuff.<<
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All of these murky issues are just a primer for all of us as we get more and more used to selling and presenting art over the net. Creative Commons has done a LOT to address some of these issues, but then when we have to combine that and interpret them on a membership website by website basis, it gets frustrating and muddy once again.
This is a good discussion tho, I am intrigued by everyone's comments.
Thanks ~ peace
Tujaded (holly)
Originally posted 70 months ago.
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TuJaded edited this topic 70 months ago.
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OK, I got a response from the Flickr Staff.
It is OK to post out blog link under our craft photos as long as the Blog site does not sell it. As long as the selling occurs on another website such as Etsy or your own online shop.
As long as you don't sell anything on your blog site,
it's fine to post a link to your blog on Flickr."
Posted 70 months ago.
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