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Can you clarify what "7777ness" means. Do you mean compact versions of prototypes which naturally fit in with a railroad theme generally? Maybe that extend functionality of the current train sets? Or maybe that the models had a simple construction style consistent with the town line for children. Or maybe building using only parts found in the current product line. Or do you refer to the stylized photographic style?
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Good question:
In short, all of the above except these two "Or maybe building using only parts found in the current product line. Or do you refer to the stylized photographic style" The former is simply too hard to check and not important in the age of Bricklink (although use of overly rare parts won't do you favours), while the latter would make it too much into a photography contest.
I don't want to formalise it too much but basically we want entries that capture the spirit of a train ideas book. For example overly complicated models are probably not so good as it is hard for people to recreate them. Obviously everyone will interpret this differently but (relative) ease of recreation is definitely important.
We didn't want to restrict it to only models that appear in 7777 as a) it's 30 years old and train lines have new 'things' around and b) we want an even better collaborative version of the book.
Clear as mud?
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OK. Its going to be interesting to dial back on the details. But as I page through 7777 again now, all those thrilling feelings come back. I wonder ... can I still build like that?
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For those of us not fortunate enough to own a copy of 7777, is there any way we can see some examples of models from this sacred tome?
I had the regular idea books, but never saw a trains idea books.
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^ You see the link on '7777 Ideas Book'? It points to 7777 Ideas Book ;)
www.peeron.com/scans/7777-1/
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Ah! Didn't realize peeron kept scans. I thought it was just a link to the item entry. Thanks!
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You need to be more nerdy and follow every link in a new tab ;)
But I'll make it more obvious.
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Why are the large 7777 scans on PICSL broken?
I don't know but I've asked.
They are fixed.
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As a guy that writes programs for statistics software, I'm cursing myself for not having been nerdy enough.
Also for not having been born sooner, the publication date of 1981 explains why I never saw this book. I was born a year later.
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Question from HappyStikBeaver over at TBB:
I’m assuming by “keep it simple,” the idea is to make it modern yet basic? If I enter, is it okay to have more complex models only using pieces available in the 80′s and early 90′s? Or should it be really modern?
You can build however you like under whatever conditions you like but by restricting yourself to older parts only you will probably not rate as well with the judges .
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^ begs another question:
How much detail and advanced technique should I include?
The models in Ideas books were always a little more sophisticated than sets. From my perspective I'd say that somewhere a little more advanced than the adult-oriented sets (eg. 10183, Emerald Night, modular buildings, UCS Star Wars) would be perfect.
Personally I consider Dave Stannard's models to be perfect examples (albeit sometimes with too many rare parts). They, to me, exemplify the sort of builds I'd like to see.
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I'll be using the same criteria I do for the Space competition 'Put Your Brick Where Your Mouth Is':
1. Stability - how likely is this model to last a reasonable amount of time in the hands of a 7 or 8 year old.
2. Buildability - is it possible for a 7 year old to build this model from pictures on a flat surface. Are there any 'illegal' LEGO building techniques?
3. Playability - what aspects are there to the model to encourage kids to invest their imaginations and play with it.
4. Awesomeness - (pure coolness) this is a MOC competition and it should look as funky and excellent as you can make it, sometimes 'Awesome' will overrule my other criteria!
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I'm copying the notes from the judges to a special thread.
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If you look through 7777, you'll note that it's all about playfulness. Nothing in it is meant for display on a mantle somewhere, it's meant to be fun to play with. Any entry should certainly be creative, but complicated can be harder to define. The parts available in 1981 were a fraction of what they are now and many pieces that were more common then are rare now. I think building a more complex model with 1981 parts has just as much merit in this contest as a modern version of something found in 7777.
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"midnight 31st November" There is no 31st november, so...
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^ Did you just sign up to flickr to make sure we read your comment after it didn't appear at TBB (it's up now so you can bask in its glory)? That's a lot of work for noticing a pretty basic mistake.
Is it the first mistake you ever noticed? Is that why you're so excited? Congratulations! You just won life.
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Damn, I've now got a day less to build.
Actually damn, I've got a simple idea for an entry that would fit right in, but I'm a judge :-(
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gambort: You're welcome.
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Build an example entry.
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Questions from a non-flickr user:
- Am I allowed to submit multiple entries?
Yes, you can submit up to 3 entries as stated in the rules. More with special permission.
- Is it allowed to submit things that were already under construction at the time you posted the contest but that fit the contest rules? (I'm still working on a large train station and have been for awhile, and I think it goes well with the theme)
If there's no pictures up stating it is finished it's probably OK. Judges will decide on this.
- The rules say no locs, but I have a building in progress that includes a loc although it is not a major part of the structure, is that allowed?
Yes. You can have a locomotive in the shot. But the focus must be on the other builds.
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When does this contest end? Also, I would like to know if I could do an LDD entry.
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The answer to your first question is in the original post.
Yes you can submit an LDD entry or an entry in the CAD software of your choice. However! If any parts in your model don't exist in a colour you use for real this will not be seen favourably by me as a judge.
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Hey guys, I'm new to FLICKR and I can't figure out how to post my picture to the entry thread. What process do I need to do? Thanks!
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^ Just copy the URL for the picture page and put it in square brackets.
eg. [http ://www.flickr.com/photos/gambort/6304879481/] (without the space) makes
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Got it! Thanks Gambort!
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There's about 38hours to go on this!
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And my entry will be posted soon.
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Now it's time for the hammer to drop! The entries are all better than I'd hoped so judging will take some time. Stay tuned and winners will be announced soon.
PS - My new daughter was born 5 days ago so 'soon' is a wonderfully relative timeframe.
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^ Congratulations!
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Congratulations!
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Take your time for the judging and congratulations!
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Gratz! always a wonder to receive a newborn!
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Congratulations.
... and it's a shame that a few people added images to the 7777 group pool but forgot to enter them into the actual entry thread. They are things of beauty too, like...
... and
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^ Indeed. If the other judges agree I'm happy to open an amnesty for people who actually got the stuff built in time. Seems over the top to punish them just because they forgot to post a link.
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Those are indeed great builds, but I think these particular examples were build way before the contest was announced. I'm not sure though, either way I like those creations.
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^ Right. So it might not have been an accident. I think I noticed some others too.
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Ahhhh. Didn't think to look at those photo dates. Well spotted.
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OK. If anyone posted a _valid_ picture to the pool but did not post an entry please contact me privately within 24hours of now. I don't think anyone did, but just in case.
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Also... letting everyone know that the judging has started but it will still take quite a while to get the final results.
The time taken isn't helped by the number of excellent entries to choose from. I'm seriously impressed by the talent on show here.
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Merry X-mas everybody! Are there any results yet?
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Sorry. All the judges have been a bit busy. But they're coming. Hopefully by the end of the year.
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No problem... And no hurry!
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Hello, sorry to be a bother but I was just wondering if we're getting close to knowing the outcome of the contest?
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^ Very close. Sorry for the delay. There's been a list of reasons which have come one after the other.
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No problem, like I said I don't want to be a bother and honestly the last 2 months (4 months really) have been hectic for me...
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Finally up!
We have announced the winners
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